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BYU slips one spot while Utah climbs in latest college football polls; Oklahoma No. 1
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GoodGuyGary | 6:51 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Let's stop arguing and wait for the outcome of the Nov 22 game.
Go BYU!
Go BYU!
re: BCS influence already beginn | 6:51 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I don't think BYU or Utah could win a national championship this year
without some significant improvement. That said, they are definitely better
than USC. The justification for USC is that they beat up on Oregon, but Oregon
required OT to beat Perdue! Look where Perdue is ranked. Oregon was a very
over-rated team. The PAC 10 stinks this year. They have never been that
strong. In 2004, USC just barely beat Oregon and Stanford at the very last.
Oklahoma barely beat Oklahoma State and Texas A&M! USC then beat up on
Oklahoma and everybody crowned USC the champion. Auburn and Utah were better
teams than both Oklahoma and USC! USC played for the championship that year
because they started as #1, and won out, so they didn't drop even though
Auburn and Utah were better. This year, BYU and Utah are clearly better, but
the bias for the PAC 10 bumps USC ahead of BYU and Utah even though they have
one loss! We need a playoff to arrive at a national championship, and do away
with the beauty contest! Especially when most of the judges already have their
favorites!
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re: best for the MWC | 6:53 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
We just need a playoff for the championship game, and then it won't matter
what league your in. Congress needs to bust up the BCS monopoly.
JMT | 7:00 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Oh I knew it was Ricky Bobby, but thought better of citing my source. I figured
those who knew, know.
I'm still hopeful that BYU can put that chip on their shoulder but worry they are becoming compacent against mediocre talent.
I'm still hopeful that BYU can put that chip on their shoulder but worry they are becoming compacent against mediocre talent.
Cracking up or down | 7:07 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Well it was a great game in Logan, in my opinion. Truly our fans were a LOT too
excited about the thought of even scoring three touchdowns against BYU. However,
my comment is this, seeing BYU struggle to close USU out although they still won
by three scores does show my point all along, BYU is extremely overrated. My
proof is to look at what BYU has done on the road, they have won but (look at
the standings) really against bottom feeders (yes I am including us in that
comment). I think BYU is their ranking when playing at home but thus far BYU has
done little to prove that they are anything special when it comes to leaving the
confines of LES. I actually hope the Y and U do well, I mean I know we are not
bowling for at least the next 15 years so I don't mind supporting the
in-state schools. However, unless BYU learns to play on the road better they
will finish the season with three losses.
In the meantime all you hateful Cougar fans who didn't listen to Elder Hales, buck up, smile, and breath deep you are still 5-0:)
In the meantime all you hateful Cougar fans who didn't listen to Elder Hales, buck up, smile, and breath deep you are still 5-0:)
re Typical Yewts | 7:11 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
are you talking about this article? The one entitled byu slips one spot while
UTAH climbs.......pretty sure it is talking about both teams. For your sake I
hope you weren't.
Re: to SCHEDULING | 7:11 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
The big problem the cougs have this year is they had an opening on their
schedule and brought in ... North Iowa???? Did someone at BYU think N. Iowa
would be a top 25 team???
Utah had an opening on their schedule and agreed to go to the Big House to play Michigan.
If I am trying to guess who is going to be good in 2016, I am going to take Michigan any time.
The reality is BYU did not want to schedule a tough opponent. They are hoping like Hawaii that if you can run the table with a bad schedule it won't matter. Too bad both TCU and Utah are going to spank the cougs this year. Both TCU and Utah have been tested by good teams, BYU will have to take that test against Utah and TCU.
Utah had an opening on their schedule and agreed to go to the Big House to play Michigan.
If I am trying to guess who is going to be good in 2016, I am going to take Michigan any time.
The reality is BYU did not want to schedule a tough opponent. They are hoping like Hawaii that if you can run the table with a bad schedule it won't matter. Too bad both TCU and Utah are going to spank the cougs this year. Both TCU and Utah have been tested by good teams, BYU will have to take that test against Utah and TCU.
Utah fan | 7:18 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Utah is going to beat buy this year. no more lucky wins!!!!
Utah hasn't beaten anybody | 7:21 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
in the Top 50 SOS rankings, because none of them will be official until Oct 19
don't think so | 7:40 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
to Lehi cougar fan
There is no way that BYU makes it to the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl committee is the biggest reason there is no playoff in college football. They have the most money and the biggest amount of control. THe Rose bowl is reserved for the winner of the Pac 10 and Big 10. Why did Hawaii not get a trip to the Rose Bowl last year when Ohio State got into the NC game? Hawaii was undefeated and instead the Rose Bowl committee takes Illinois who had I believe 2 or 3 losses. It is all about TRADITION for the Rose Bowl. And even if BYU is undefeated and ranked #3 they still wouldn't get in it because they aren't Big 10 or Pac 10. Really dumb if you ask me but I do not control millions and millions of dollars and basically college football. Sad isn't it.
There is no way that BYU makes it to the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl committee is the biggest reason there is no playoff in college football. They have the most money and the biggest amount of control. THe Rose bowl is reserved for the winner of the Pac 10 and Big 10. Why did Hawaii not get a trip to the Rose Bowl last year when Ohio State got into the NC game? Hawaii was undefeated and instead the Rose Bowl committee takes Illinois who had I believe 2 or 3 losses. It is all about TRADITION for the Rose Bowl. And even if BYU is undefeated and ranked #3 they still wouldn't get in it because they aren't Big 10 or Pac 10. Really dumb if you ask me but I do not control millions and millions of dollars and basically college football. Sad isn't it.
Mark in Peoria | 7:41 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
re: Cougar fan
I agree. Craig James is a jerk...and he's a cheat to boot. Remember he was paid A LOT of bucks to play for SMU and was one of the reasons that program was awarded the only NCAA DEATH PENALTY. Pony express baby! In 2004, he predicted the Utes would get smashed if they went to a BCS bowl---even against a Big East opponent. The Utes then prompty dismissed Pitt in impressive fashion. So, I guess would could also say Craig James is an idiot.
Bottom line: The Utes and Cougars, so long as injuries don't thin their ranks, can play with just 'bout anyone. Though fast, physical, deep, and veteran teams would be tough to defeat (ie..OU, Mizzou, and Texas). If either one wins out, no doubt they would be in a BCS bowl and Boise State would be out.
At this point, good match-ups for the Utes would be Penn State, Ohio State, and Vanderbilt. Good match-ups for BYU would be Alabama, LSU, and believe it or not, USC.
I agree. Craig James is a jerk...and he's a cheat to boot. Remember he was paid A LOT of bucks to play for SMU and was one of the reasons that program was awarded the only NCAA DEATH PENALTY. Pony express baby! In 2004, he predicted the Utes would get smashed if they went to a BCS bowl---even against a Big East opponent. The Utes then prompty dismissed Pitt in impressive fashion. So, I guess would could also say Craig James is an idiot.
Bottom line: The Utes and Cougars, so long as injuries don't thin their ranks, can play with just 'bout anyone. Though fast, physical, deep, and veteran teams would be tough to defeat (ie..OU, Mizzou, and Texas). If either one wins out, no doubt they would be in a BCS bowl and Boise State would be out.
At this point, good match-ups for the Utes would be Penn State, Ohio State, and Vanderbilt. Good match-ups for BYU would be Alabama, LSU, and believe it or not, USC.
Mark in Peoria | 7:43 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
That last post should say: one (not would) could call Craig James an idiot.
I guess Craig James could call me the idiot...
I guess Craig James could call me the idiot...
SCHEDULING (continued) | 7:50 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Can the Ute fans please let me know just how good San Jose State, Oregon, or
Louisville will be next year? I'm just curious to know what kind of
competition they'll be facing next season.
On that same note, can someone please tell me how strong a team Notre Dame or Iowa State will be in 2010? I'm just trying to decide whether Utah's schedule will be strong in 2 years or not.
Get my drift? Ute fans typically ask Cougar fans the following question: "Why don't you try playing a team that's actually GOOD?" Well, sorry, but you play who you play. These games are scheduled so far in advance that it's nearly impossible to say just how good a schedule anyone has. We all thought the Pac-10 would be at least somewhat decent this year, but...surprise!! They're horrible.
(Notice I didn't mention anything about scheduling USU...I'll give you that one. When have they EVER been good? Yet we both play them. I concede that they're always bad.)
In conclusion, unless you can tell me who the good teams are gonna be 5 years from now, your taunting comment of "try playing someone good!" is worthless and naive.
On that same note, can someone please tell me how strong a team Notre Dame or Iowa State will be in 2010? I'm just trying to decide whether Utah's schedule will be strong in 2 years or not.
Get my drift? Ute fans typically ask Cougar fans the following question: "Why don't you try playing a team that's actually GOOD?" Well, sorry, but you play who you play. These games are scheduled so far in advance that it's nearly impossible to say just how good a schedule anyone has. We all thought the Pac-10 would be at least somewhat decent this year, but...surprise!! They're horrible.
(Notice I didn't mention anything about scheduling USU...I'll give you that one. When have they EVER been good? Yet we both play them. I concede that they're always bad.)
In conclusion, unless you can tell me who the good teams are gonna be 5 years from now, your taunting comment of "try playing someone good!" is worthless and naive.
Can't wait... | 7:50 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
for the first BCS standings to be announced to see the clueless Utah fans try to
explain BYU is STILL ahead of Utah in the BCS poll, even though Utah has such an
awesome SOS.
October 19th will be the high water mark, then the SOS for each team will start to even out as they play all of the same teams.
In the end, there will only be 3 teams different and the SOS drumbeaters will be scratching their heads wondering why Utah didn't zoom past BYU in the polls.
October 19th will be the high water mark, then the SOS for each team will start to even out as they play all of the same teams.
In the end, there will only be 3 teams different and the SOS drumbeaters will be scratching their heads wondering why Utah didn't zoom past BYU in the polls.
re: re: re: Not done dripping | 7:58 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
"really byu would kill flordia, ohio state, or georgia. if you think that
your an idoit! look i am a byu fan to but let's not be insane! i think it
would be kind of close but to say they'd kill them is a big fat
joke!"
First of all, Florida is spelled Florida, not flordia
Secondly, Idiot is spelled idiot, not idoit! Whose the idiot?
You are a BYU fan to (too)? Can't be true...most BYU fans I know, know how to spell! Notice the correct punctuation. Get to bed. You've got a big day at school tomorrow!
Besides, in your first post you said "all 3 would kill BYU"! Your second post said, "it would be kind of close". Which is it, big boy?
First of all, Florida is spelled Florida, not flordia
Secondly, Idiot is spelled idiot, not idoit! Whose the idiot?
You are a BYU fan to (too)? Can't be true...most BYU fans I know, know how to spell! Notice the correct punctuation. Get to bed. You've got a big day at school tomorrow!
Besides, in your first post you said "all 3 would kill BYU"! Your second post said, "it would be kind of close". Which is it, big boy?
Re: Casual Observer | 8:01 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
What's funny to me is that someone claims to cheer for the Aggies!
IDEA GUY | 8:02 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Zoobies, I suggest that you give up the rest of the season and start a really
good ultimate Frisbee team instead --you could even have them play Sat. nights
in your big stadium. You are going to get the shocker next week. Give up now,
drown your sorrows in one of those fatty taco salads at the cougar eat.
Re: Re: to SCHEDULING @ 7:11 | 8:02 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Ok, I can see your point, but it's a little naive, too. First off,
Northern Iowa wasn't originally on our schedule...they jumped into our
schedule when the University of Nevada at Reno decided to back out. It was a
late addition to our schedule (so late, in fact, that BYU almost thought
they'd be limited to 11 regular season games instead of 12).
In all reality, Northern Iowa was actually a step UP from our original schedule because they're a much better team than the University of Nevada at Reno.
I understand that Michigan is HISTORICALLY a dominant program...but history doesn't matter so much when you're not good NOW.
As much as every team would like to schedule some great opponents, not everyone can schedule an Ohio State or a USC or a Florida...they have limited openings too, and they're trying to fill those spots with top opponents as well.
The moral of the story? We have a broken system. Until we move to a playoff system, I don't really care who the BCS says the National Champion is.
In all reality, Northern Iowa was actually a step UP from our original schedule because they're a much better team than the University of Nevada at Reno.
I understand that Michigan is HISTORICALLY a dominant program...but history doesn't matter so much when you're not good NOW.
As much as every team would like to schedule some great opponents, not everyone can schedule an Ohio State or a USC or a Florida...they have limited openings too, and they're trying to fill those spots with top opponents as well.
The moral of the story? We have a broken system. Until we move to a playoff system, I don't really care who the BCS says the National Champion is.
Re: JMT | 8:05 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
>Oh I knew it was Ricky Bobby, but thought better of citing my source. I
figured those who knew, know.
That's a great quote right there, bro.! Can I use it? I will cite "JMT", if you don't mind if I use it. "Those who knew, know"! Have a good one!
That's a great quote right there, bro.! Can I use it? I will cite "JMT", if you don't mind if I use it. "Those who knew, know"! Have a good one!
re: Cracking up or down | 8:15 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Clueless post; what you don't understand is that after getting up 24-0 in
the first quarter, BYU relaxed and got a little complacent; even so, USU
didn't score until the 4th Q when the score was 34-0.
A lesson for BYU not to let up so early, but, anyone who questions how much better BYU is than USU, is simply looking at the game through AggieBlueColored glasses.
A lesson for BYU not to let up so early, but, anyone who questions how much better BYU is than USU, is simply looking at the game through AggieBlueColored glasses.
Re: re: to scheduling | 8:16 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
The reason BYU "selected" Northern Iowa was because they were the best
option of the handful of teams available to play. Nevada dropped out of the BYU
game leaving the Cougars with an open spot on their schedule. Looking back,
there weren't any teams that had only 11 games on their schedule (teams are
allowed to schedule 12). It wasn't like BYU could just call up a top 25
team and set up a game for that 1st week of the season. Of the teams in 1-AA,
Northern Iowa was the most competitive option.
Utah's so called "opening" on their schedule, happened years ago (just like they are in the process of filling their schedule for 2016). BYU literally had no other option for the August 29 game.
When Utah scheduled Michigan, Michigan was competing for Big Ten titles. When BYU scheduled UCLA and Washington, they too, were at or near the top of the PAC 10. It's all a big guess on who will be competitive at the time.
Utah's so called "opening" on their schedule, happened years ago (just like they are in the process of filling their schedule for 2016). BYU literally had no other option for the August 29 game.
When Utah scheduled Michigan, Michigan was competing for Big Ten titles. When BYU scheduled UCLA and Washington, they too, were at or near the top of the PAC 10. It's all a big guess on who will be competitive at the time.
Cougs and Utes alike | 8:20 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I think both sides would agree, both BYU and Utah must play a lot better than
they have in recent games if they expect to make any BCS waves. I think if
either team plays the way they have, they will lose to TCU. They both have some
work to do.
Weak Schedule | 8:28 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Can you say 126? That is the ranking of BYU's strength of schedule
according to Sagarin. Is that deserving of national championship consideration?
Um, right. BTW, Sagarin has the Y ranked 18 and Boise State 9, so you'd
better hope BSU loses a game. You MWC followers will get this BCS qualification
game eventually. We, in the WAC have been following it for a couple of years
now. Say it aloud to yourselves: "it's all about the
computers."
I expect the winner of the Y/U game to get the BCS bid (assuming they can both beat TCU). The MWC is just as weak as the WAC. All of you here in your little pocket of Utah ignorance keep telling yourselves that isn't so, but the rest of the nation doesn't distinguish between BYU this year and Hawaii last year. In fact, I heard an analyst on ESPN the other day call it the "Mountain Western Athletic Conference." So, let's all just realize we're lumped into what the nation perceives is the MWAC.
Oh, btw, Utah State's strength of schedule this year is 25.
I expect the winner of the Y/U game to get the BCS bid (assuming they can both beat TCU). The MWC is just as weak as the WAC. All of you here in your little pocket of Utah ignorance keep telling yourselves that isn't so, but the rest of the nation doesn't distinguish between BYU this year and Hawaii last year. In fact, I heard an analyst on ESPN the other day call it the "Mountain Western Athletic Conference." So, let's all just realize we're lumped into what the nation perceives is the MWAC.
Oh, btw, Utah State's strength of schedule this year is 25.
MurrayUte | 8:35 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Gary,
Amazing insight, so the only reason that the Utes moved up is because two teams a head of them lost.
Wow, just like BYU moving into the top ten last week than must be becuase half of the top ten ahead of them lost. It is all making sense to me now.
Amazing insight, so the only reason that the Utes moved up is because two teams a head of them lost.
Wow, just like BYU moving into the top ten last week than must be becuase half of the top ten ahead of them lost. It is all making sense to me now.
Fully Invested | 8:44 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
SoCalUte, really? You didn't get that I was mocking you with the whole
UW,Stanford,OSU dribble. Let's get to the bottom of this. Why do you even
care about SOS? Is it because, as a Ute fan, you are using that as a reason to
beleive that your Utes willhave a chance on Nov. 22. Or is it because you are
truly bothered by the fact that BYU is still 5 spots ahead of you in the poll
that counts for 1/3 of the BCS poll. I'm actually guessing both. What are
you going to say next week when BYU is still ahead of Utah when the BCS poll
debuts? No, really, I want to know..
As for all of you who think that BYU is a weak road team...remember, BYU is 8 and 0 on the road the last two years in the MWC; and that's against a 17th ranked TCU, and a Utah team that is supposed to be unbeatable at home. Remember we only have MWC games left on our schedule. Hey MUSS(Mighty Ugly Student Section) see you on Nov. 22. SoCal dude don't let the numbers drive you insane.
As for all of you who think that BYU is a weak road team...remember, BYU is 8 and 0 on the road the last two years in the MWC; and that's against a 17th ranked TCU, and a Utah team that is supposed to be unbeatable at home. Remember we only have MWC games left on our schedule. Hey MUSS(Mighty Ugly Student Section) see you on Nov. 22. SoCal dude don't let the numbers drive you insane.
TCU will be tough | 9:06 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
TCU held #1 Oklahoma to 25 yards on the ground.
Oklahoma did prevail in the air, but I am sure TCU is watching the USU films and will be on Max Hall like stink in a dirty diaper.
Good luck Cougs- don't overlook New Mexico or Air Force or UNLV or Colorado State. You are the "bowl game" for these teams and they would love to knock you down to size.
Oklahoma did prevail in the air, but I am sure TCU is watching the USU films and will be on Max Hall like stink in a dirty diaper.
Good luck Cougs- don't overlook New Mexico or Air Force or UNLV or Colorado State. You are the "bowl game" for these teams and they would love to knock you down to size.
Sagarin? | 9:10 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
BYU is lower than BSU, Utah, and TCU...That is a stupid ranking! Unless it has
BYU moving up ahead of them next week...then that's a great ranking!
Unlike most people on this board, I could give a crap about rankings. It's
a great day to be alive!
Buster | 9:21 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I'd like to see Utah play a complete game before their fans predict what is
going to happen to BYU.
Their seasonial clock is ticking (just like a 34 year old women's biological clock is), they know they will lose some stupid game somewhere, then all their fun will be over.
Just like the past two seasons, it will not come down to Nov 22.
Their seasonial clock is ticking (just like a 34 year old women's biological clock is), they know they will lose some stupid game somewhere, then all their fun will be over.
Just like the past two seasons, it will not come down to Nov 22.
To: Fully Invested | 9:24 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I am good with numbers that's why I enjoy Sagarin rating instead of human poll. It's more logical.
But even human polls can't help BYU on Nov 23rd, after Utah beats them.
SoCalUtahFan.
obivious | 9:29 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
If I were a utah fan I'd be worried about their team at least once during
the year playing a complete game. Naw, never mind keep fixating on the Cougs!
All your screaming really is a statement about who is the best team.
Anonymous | 9:30 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
re:TCU will be tough | 9:06 p.m.
Can't we just get to Nov. 22, beat you again, and move on?
Can't we just get to Nov. 22, beat you again, and move on?
Re: Sagarin | 9:37 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I appreciate your intellectual honesty.
Alternate | 10:05 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
What a waste of time for all these comments. USC moved up this week and within
a week or so, Florida will also. BYU could have won 58-0 and USC still would
have jumped them. Remember the polls are a popularity contest.
The simple bottom line is that if BYU and Utah are both undefeated when they play each other, the winner gets the Fiesta Bowl. The loser will go to Las Vegas or San Diego. No more no less. The polls will quietly adjust so that even if undefeated, BYU or Utah will not be allowed into the 1 vs 2 game.
So to all the haters and defenders, save your keystrokes. The football has a funny shape. Because of funny bounces, you never know exactly what will happen in a given game. The polls also have funny bounces at times, but the one surety is that when the money is counted, two BCS teams will be in the big game. "It's my ball therefore you play by my rules, or I will take the ball and go home. Then you will have nothing."
The simple bottom line is that if BYU and Utah are both undefeated when they play each other, the winner gets the Fiesta Bowl. The loser will go to Las Vegas or San Diego. No more no less. The polls will quietly adjust so that even if undefeated, BYU or Utah will not be allowed into the 1 vs 2 game.
So to all the haters and defenders, save your keystrokes. The football has a funny shape. Because of funny bounces, you never know exactly what will happen in a given game. The polls also have funny bounces at times, but the one surety is that when the money is counted, two BCS teams will be in the big game. "It's my ball therefore you play by my rules, or I will take the ball and go home. Then you will have nothing."
NW Ute Fan | 10:14 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I agree with "Style Points" earlier post. Both BYU and Utah need to
put up some pretty big numbers (like the Y's 59-0 crushing of UCLA) to stay
ranked in the top 15.
Their schedules are easy and beating TCU 17-10 as one poster predicted, just isn't going to cut it.
Their schedules are easy and beating TCU 17-10 as one poster predicted, just isn't going to cut it.
Cougar Fan | 10:20 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
When I watched the last half of the USU game all I could say was "I
don't believe this." When I watched the last two minutes of the U of U
OSU game I was up and screaming "UNBELIEVABLE!!!" Ya done us all
proud, Utes. Nov. 22 is a day of national tragedy (nightmare on Elm St., Dallas
TX). If the Utes play that kind of football on the 22nd, it will be a day of
tragedy for my BYU. Yeah, I'm nervous.
The NIT | 10:27 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Just a little BYU logic for everyone - Oregon State handily beat #1 ranked USC
- Utah beat Oregon State - how come Utah is not ranked #1????
provomyopia | 10:35 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
It's obvious to me that Utah State should be a top 25 team. I mean they
put 14 up against BYU's stifling defense also they soored 24 against Oregon
who put up 32 points against Boise State so clearly hey are at least better than
Boise and They are tied for first place in the tough WAC conference.
Go Cougs!!!!
Go Cougs!!!!
CFB Fan | 10:59 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
I think that the paper needs to make two blogs, one for the people that would
really like to talk about and read other people's thoughts on the issues
and one for all the high school kids to banter over who is better.
The real problem here is that it doesn't matter who BYU, Utah, TCU, BSU or any of the other non-BCS school schedules and/or beats, the polls will never rank them in the top five until after the bowls games because of the conferences they play in, the biases of the voters and a lot of money. Sadly, BYU could be playing a second rate Big East team in its bowl game (much like Utah did) and be the ONLY team undefeated this year.
The real problem here is that it doesn't matter who BYU, Utah, TCU, BSU or any of the other non-BCS school schedules and/or beats, the polls will never rank them in the top five until after the bowls games because of the conferences they play in, the biases of the voters and a lot of money. Sadly, BYU could be playing a second rate Big East team in its bowl game (much like Utah did) and be the ONLY team undefeated this year.
The NIT | 11:00 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
A little correction to the Arizona BYU fan and Utah's schedule - Weber
State is not some little poor 1-AA team - Weber just finished completely
destroying the #2 ranked team in the football championship division [Montana].
Weber State is a good football team with some excellent skill players. Now, if
you still want to talk about playing Northern iowa, i guess we could continue
the conversation...
Lehi cougar fan | 11:11 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Here are the five BCS bowl games along with the conference champion they are
contractually obligated to take unless that champion is in the NCG.
Fedex NCG - #1 and #2
Fiesta - Big 12
Rose - Big Ten / Pac Ten
Orange - ACC
Sugar - SEC
If a Bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then the bowl gets first choice at a replacement team. The rest of the selection order for 2009 is as follows: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange.
Here are my predictions (guesses):
NCG - #1 OU and #2 USC
Fiesta - Lose OU to championship, so with the first selection they'll take at large Texas as the runner up in the Big 12 and then after Sugar picks they take at large LSU as runner up in the SEC
Sugar - They have to take Alabama as the SEC champion and then will pick at large Ohio State as runner up in Big 10
Rose - Penn State as Big 10 Champ then they'll take unbeaten BYU
Orange - ACC champ VA Tech and Big East Champ (Anyone's guess...the Big East sucks)
It's a longshot at this point but fun to pick!
Fedex NCG - #1 and #2
Fiesta - Big 12
Rose - Big Ten / Pac Ten
Orange - ACC
Sugar - SEC
If a Bowl loses a host team to the NCG, then the bowl gets first choice at a replacement team. The rest of the selection order for 2009 is as follows: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange.
Here are my predictions (guesses):
NCG - #1 OU and #2 USC
Fiesta - Lose OU to championship, so with the first selection they'll take at large Texas as the runner up in the Big 12 and then after Sugar picks they take at large LSU as runner up in the SEC
Sugar - They have to take Alabama as the SEC champion and then will pick at large Ohio State as runner up in Big 10
Rose - Penn State as Big 10 Champ then they'll take unbeaten BYU
Orange - ACC champ VA Tech and Big East Champ (Anyone's guess...the Big East sucks)
It's a longshot at this point but fun to pick!
re: Weak Schedule | 11:16 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Listen carefully:
Can you say clueless, because Utah's schedule will be nearly identical to BYU's by season's -- 8 of 11 common opponents. Do the math; there won't be much diffence in SOS for Utah and BYU.
Why is this concept so difficult for Utah fans to understand?
First, Sagarin ratings are still in flux, the teams will be connected and preseason ratings dropped before the first official ratings come up.
Second, the SOS only considers the teams already played; it doesn't consider future opponents.
Third, the SOS is not set in stone. A 3-1 team now could be 3-9 at season's end.
Fourth, SOS is only part of the computer rating, not the whole calculation. Won/loss record is also calculated, so when Utah loses to BYU in November, and BYU finishes 12-0 and Utah 11-1, SOS will be a non-factor, as far as Utah is concerned.
Can you say clueless, because Utah's schedule will be nearly identical to BYU's by season's -- 8 of 11 common opponents. Do the math; there won't be much diffence in SOS for Utah and BYU.
Why is this concept so difficult for Utah fans to understand?
First, Sagarin ratings are still in flux, the teams will be connected and preseason ratings dropped before the first official ratings come up.
Second, the SOS only considers the teams already played; it doesn't consider future opponents.
Third, the SOS is not set in stone. A 3-1 team now could be 3-9 at season's end.
Fourth, SOS is only part of the computer rating, not the whole calculation. Won/loss record is also calculated, so when Utah loses to BYU in November, and BYU finishes 12-0 and Utah 11-1, SOS will be a non-factor, as far as Utah is concerned.
Sagarin is one-sixth of | 11:28 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
one-third of the BCS, so, the oh-so-important Sagarin rating is 1/18th of the
BCS ranking.
Coaches is 1/3. BYU #8, Utah #13
Harris is 1/3. BYU #9, Utah #13
Sagarin ELO-Chess 1/18. BYU #41, Utah #5.
All things considered, I'd rather be 4 to 5 places ahead in 2/3's of the BCS poll, than 36 places ahead in 1/18th of the BCS poll.
By the way, watch Utah's SOS drop when they play Wyoming this week.
The SOS will continue to get closer and closer throughout the season; and Utah fans will wonder why the Utes aren't moving past BYU in the polls.
Coaches is 1/3. BYU #8, Utah #13
Harris is 1/3. BYU #9, Utah #13
Sagarin ELO-Chess 1/18. BYU #41, Utah #5.
All things considered, I'd rather be 4 to 5 places ahead in 2/3's of the BCS poll, than 36 places ahead in 1/18th of the BCS poll.
By the way, watch Utah's SOS drop when they play Wyoming this week.
The SOS will continue to get closer and closer throughout the season; and Utah fans will wonder why the Utes aren't moving past BYU in the polls.
az coug | 11:41 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Hey, all BYU can do is win their scheduled games.
If they're a great team we'll know in the next 50 days.
If they play like they did Friday...there'll be no BCS glory....
We'll be back at the Vegas Trash Bowl
If they're a great team we'll know in the next 50 days.
If they play like they did Friday...there'll be no BCS glory....
We'll be back at the Vegas Trash Bowl
Umm... | 11:56 p.m. Oct. 5, 2008
Well you know you are good when you can be up 34-0 going into the 4th quarter on
the road and play absolutely terrible. Every team has a terrible day, just ask
USC. Or Georgia. Or Florida. Or Ohio St. Or Auburn. Or Wisconsin. Etc. etc.
etc... The only difference is they were WINNING 34-0 at the point where people
were getting frustrated. Just my two cents worth.
pico | 12:06 a.m. Oct. 6, 2008
Realistically, given their victory at Oregon, Boise State deserves to be ranked
higher than Utah or TDS.
MWC trumps Big Least in BCS | 12:11 a.m. Oct. 6, 2008
The real travesty is that the MWC doesn't have an automatic bid to the BCS
over the Big Least. Does anyone see what is happening in this pathetic
conference? Uconn was the only undefeated team and got throttled by North
Carolina (not exactly a football powerhouse). Looks like Pittiful will be in a
BCS game again and they lost their season opener to Bowling Green!
The MWC power teams (BYU, TCU, & Utah), can compete consistently with any PAC 10 team and I would stack them up against the Big 12 & SEC as well. I've never been a fan of the Big 10. I think it is the most overrate conference in CFB.
As a Ute fan, I'll continue to hope all 3 of these schools do well for the sake of the conference. I'll cheer for the Utes to win out, but I want the entire MWC to do well. When the BCS inevitably gets realigned in the future, wins against BCS schools and participation and wins in a BCS bowl will finally give the MWC the respect it deserves!
Go UTES!
The MWC power teams (BYU, TCU, & Utah), can compete consistently with any PAC 10 team and I would stack them up against the Big 12 & SEC as well. I've never been a fan of the Big 10. I think it is the most overrate conference in CFB.
As a Ute fan, I'll continue to hope all 3 of these schools do well for the sake of the conference. I'll cheer for the Utes to win out, but I want the entire MWC to do well. When the BCS inevitably gets realigned in the future, wins against BCS schools and participation and wins in a BCS bowl will finally give the MWC the respect it deserves!
Go UTES!
Gary | 12:15 a.m. Oct. 6, 2008
Murryute... so what you are saying is that you think the utes would have moved
up even more if they had a bye week? they aren't that good, since they
moved up while playing this week. Guess they should have had a bye and they
would be ranked higher than BYU.
CougarKeith?????? | 12:37 a.m. Oct. 6, 2008
CougarKeith, I can't believe that you still haven't posted one of your
pointless, biased, and ridiculous comments?
Let me guess, your either still embarassed after you got shot down for your last comment or you changed your name you posted it under...
Either way you once again prove how spineless you Cougar Fans are, and show how easy you quit when it gets tough! (Just like your team.)
For crying outload BYU, would you please put McMahn in the BYU hall of fame already. You'd think be earned it!
Utes, good win, nut still lacking execusion. Clean up your game on both sides of the ball and everything else will take care of itself.
Let me guess, your either still embarassed after you got shot down for your last comment or you changed your name you posted it under...
Either way you once again prove how spineless you Cougar Fans are, and show how easy you quit when it gets tough! (Just like your team.)
For crying outload BYU, would you please put McMahn in the BYU hall of fame already. You'd think be earned it!
Utes, good win, nut still lacking execusion. Clean up your game on both sides of the ball and everything else will take care of itself.
To: Sagarin is one sixth of | 6:41 a.m. Oct. 6, 2008
You (and other BYU fans) are missing a point...human polls are flawed. That's why BYU is in the top 10. Duh!!!
No one has been (at least I've not) been arguing that Utah will be ranked higher than BYU in BCS when it comes out on 10/19. That will not be possible unless Cougar loses a game before then --since human polls are flawed. Get it!!!
SOS of 126 and ranked in top-10...the explanation is that voters in human polls are given a lots of credit to BYU team for the winning streak.
Regardless, that will be moot when Utah beats BYU on 11/22
SoCalUtahFan
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I also disagree with Ohio State being ranked ahead of Utah. They got beat badly by USC, and squeaked a win over Wisconsin. What's with Vandy moving ahead of Utah? Vandy just barely squeaked a win over Auburn thanks to a missed PAT. Auburn has two losses already! They can say the SEC is the best conference, but I think it is overrated! Georgia just barely beat SC! LSU just got by Auburn who has two losses! I also would like to know why the heck is Wake Forest ranked. TCU and Tulsa are far better teams. The polls show obvious bias! We need a championship playoff!