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Rome LDS temple, four others announced
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I'm pretty sure that the church doesn't own the temple lot in Independence. Must be somewhere else.
Hopefully, the cafeteria serves KC BBQ!
Con molto Amore, Su sorella en el evangelo! Nola
Many thanks to God! For three years my husband and I lived in Italy (and we loved it and the people!) The saints are so precious and their spirit is so strong with the members of the churh there We are so happy for them and we give much loving congratulations. Glory to God! The church is true! With much love, your sister in the gospel. Nola Van Wagenen
Also, it is always overlooked that LDS proxy work is only done to provide an OPPORTUNITY for those who've died--it does not mean anything more than that. We are not forcing anything on anyone who has died, contrary to how the non-LDS view it.
The fact that the Pope announced that Catholics should not cooperate with the LDS regarding genealogy...I guess that's modern-day revelation? It certainly is a new stance and one should expect there would be some reaction to it.
I certainly didn't mean anything hurtful towards Catholics in my prior comments (page 3) and I think "K" and others are being a bit too sensitive if they found my comments offensive. If anything, it's the LDS who should be offended by the Pope's announcement. But no. We'll just go on building temples and doing proxy work. Even in Rome, apparently.
But to think that the announcement of a temple in the "greater KC area" means New Jerusalem is a stretch for now, but it does show that the 20,000 or more members in the KC area are as worthy of a functioning temple as any other people.
You are forgetting about Eastern Europe which was at one time under communist rule. Who would have ever thought there would be missionaries there now? I know today we are thinking that will never happen in China, but 20 years ago we were saying the same thing about the Soviet Union.
Based on what President Monson said, the leaders of the church have a specific site in each of these locations worked out. They do not want another Hartford case where they could not find a suitable site.
We may have another Nashville case, since I do not know what the status of building permits are on these sites. For those who do not know, in Nashville the first site the church was going to build a temple on the city refused to grant a building permit so they later found a new site.
This leads me to believe the church has a specific site worked out in the Kansas City Area. What site it is I do not know, but I am sure it will be known soon enough.
As for your comments on the genealogy. I would like to say that I for one would not object to being made a member of the Catholic church in this manner. I think that taking people names and giving then the OPPORTUNITY to become a member of the church is much more Christian then saying that all those who never heard of Christ will be dammed because they were not baptized. I think that the thing that you have to remember is that we are only giving them the opportunity - it is our belief that they will have the right to accept or reject this baptism. We are not forcing this to happen. At least we give them the opportunity to be baptized which gives me peace in knowing that my ancestors have that opportunity. Like I said - if your church started this - I would not have a problem with it.
Another giant waste of tithing dollars once again.
The other think is that it will bring a lot of people to the gospel. Even if they don't care to learn or hear about Christ, maybe they will start asking questions. It's just too cool!
What is the mission of the Church??j Perfecting the Saints and Redeeming the Dead. I can't think of a better thing to spend tithing on.
BTW: Did you know the Nauvoo temple was built with ONLY DONATED MONEY???? One family in particular donated almost 80% of the money.
Catholics are very much a sacramental people and even though it's not to meant to be offensive we'd just rather our Church not help fascilitate. I'm not upset at the practice for we don't think things work that way. I'm just trying to explain why the Catholic Church can't participate.
Given how completely apathetic Europe is spiritually, our Catholic numbers are also stagnating there, I am glad to see more buildings for religious practice being planned and built even if they aren't for my own church.
My family has found the LDS missionaries who knock on the door more respectful than the Johovah's. Thanks.
Feelings have been hurt by past practices. And, understandably.
Is it appropriate to take list of victims of a tragedy and submit their names for proxy baptism? No. Yet, that is what was happening to holocaust victims. Imagine if the names of soldiers killed in Iraq were being submitted or victims of the Indonesian tsunami or those killed at Columbine High School. Ugh.
Has the efforts to microfilm parish records been completely above-board? Probably not. I doubt a single priest or local leader every agreed that records could be compiled, included in the genealogical index, the parish provided a copy --- AND the records submitted for proxy baptism. Thus, it is reasonable for various churches to limit access to their records. We've behaved badly.
The future is likely to be public records and family members with ties to a member.
Is that so bad?
There will be plenty of time in the future to assist others.
Wouldn't the world be better if we shared our faith and worked together to make the world a better place? I would like to know what you have to add to my faith, would you be interested in knowing what I believe?
None of us should try to convince the other via logic. It is the Spirit that teaches and changes.
Sis. Jensen
I imagine that Rome, Religion wise is a mixed bag. You are not going to do a massive conversation of Catholics. Remember Italy is still Occupied by the U.S. as is Germany. The situation has a different dress on, but it is still the same.
In Sheridan Or. Our Ward 2nd Counselor and his Wife become Converts when he was Stationed in Italy, years before. That man really lived it. His Boys where all Eagle Scouts and his Daughters had their Young Women�s awards and they all got as far away from it as they could as soon as they could. However that was/is far from his fault.
I sometimes look to him as an example of enduring to the end. His Wife and Him where blessed with a late life little girl who would now be almost 8. They would be in their Early 50's now.
That is just my one, of most likely many examples of good things happening in Italy. They where living off base and the Missionaries came knocking one day.
IT MUST ALSO BE A TIME FOR GREATER UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE VARIOUS DENOMINATIONS OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH SO THAT THE LDS CHURCH MAY BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD THEREBY ADVANCING THE WORLDWIDE SCOPE OF ITS WORK UPON THE EARTH.
MAY THE LORD BLESS ALL THOSE IN THE WORLD WHO ARE SICK OR IN SOME WAY AFFLICTED AT THIS TIME.
I'm not suggesting we tone down our enthusiasm, but just be aware and not act surprised when others are offended by it. We may on occasion need to apologize and explain our enthusiasm.
Forza Italia.
I do have to agree with you that most of the gripers seem to live within an hour of one or more temples.
However, I also have strong doubts that some of these gripers even show up to church, let alone going to the temple, so it would not really effect them if they did not have a close temple.
The comment that Kansas City was the largest area in the US not within an hour of a temple is incorrect. That distiction is held by Philadelphia. Pittsburg may now hold that distction after all currently anounced temples are built. Other candidates are Independence.
Buffalo, Cleveland and Cincinnatti also may be contenders, although they are all fairly close to temples. Other populated areas in the US far from temples are McAllen Texas, Springfield, Missouri and Jacksonville, Florida.
Actually, Miami is another well populated area far from a temple. I do not know the travel time to the Orlando, Temple, but I imagine it is over an hour from the city of Miami.
Then there are areas of Brazil that are still many hours from temples, and then there is Kenya where you cross several countries.
Let us rejoice that the Temple is coming to the area where the greatest persecution of the Church was and a blessing to all the faithful members who have seen this area grow.
Make sense?
Also, I wonder how many Catholic Bishops and Cardinals will attend the Rome Temple open house? Or if the Pope himself will actually attend? That would be soooo great!!
I'm sure the LDS Church is making one of their mini-documentary programs about the Italian LDS members and the progress of the temple, including the open house and dedication ceremonies, to be shown in between sessions of General Conference that year the temple is finished. This will be an interesting one to watch.
I know many more blessings will follow.
The saints in Italy have earned a temple if ever a people has. While most Italians spend their August lounging around on the beach, I know many an Italian saint who uses that vacation at the temple doing 4 sessions a day, one after the other, for weeks at a time. Now I think we should all pray that the Lord's temples will continue to dot the earth, and that every area open to the work will soon necessitate its own.
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