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Hubbub over tent-city idea irritates Chaffetz

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hippo | 1:48 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
This is becoming rather funny. The Western Governors conference wants a centralized location for processing and sending back illegal aliens. Instead of building a permanent facility which to me is a waste, someone suggests a tent city. After all Maricopa County in Arizona has used them for years. Even our troops use them. They are not meant to be permanent homes to illegal aliens, only temporary while they are processed.

Enter the Japanese American Citizens League, who on a tip by a Latino organization complains, comparing it to Americans of Japanese decent being detained during WWII in camps. It's not the same thing. And the fact is, the majority of illegals in this country are from Mexico. Studies have been done that prove this. Please do some searching on your choice of search engine and you will find them. We share borders.

Mexico's President complaining openly about us returning his people, when his country has a much worse record in how they treat illegals, and the several very vocal Latino organizations that try to paint everyone racist that tries to help stop the immigration problem, tends to bring Mexico to the front of any discussion.
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maryt | 3:11 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
If tents are good enough for our soldiers they are good enough for everybody.

Arizona puts their criminals in tent cities. Send those whinners down to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he'll set them straight.

This is in no way even remotely similar to the Japanese internment camps. The Japanese were victims. They were American citizens horribly treated by their government.

The illegals are not citizens of the US and if they want to be treated as such they need to go where ever it is that they are citizens.

Chaffetz is right.
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Bob G | 4:15 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
I'm all for these tent cities to act as detention and holding facilities of illegal aliens to make it easier to deport them. I'm also for confiscating any and all assets as illegal and ill gotten gains in the act of criminal activities. Being an illegal alien is a criminal act so they must surrender all possesions, including any money, credit cards, and financial documents. All legal documents must be taken from them as well. Issue them John Doe documents as illegal aliens with an identifieing picture and number. They should be detained along with their entire families to keep them as a unit or family. This includes all anchor babies whose birth certificats should be invalidated as false and given citizenship of their parents country. Once these illegal aliens are secured they can be turned over to the federal prison system and federal government to house them and process them out of the country. This kind of process is what the federal government needs with state support and help. The Japanese americans should have no problems as these are not the same situation as the camps in WWII. These are known illegal alien terrorist from a different country.
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Bot | 4:28 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Chaffetz seems to be the only person in this debate with reason on his side. I doubt his proposal is based on ethnicity - it is based on legal status. He believes in honoring and sustaining the law, in contrast to his detractors.
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Anonymous | 5:14 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Little wonder so many look at us as being weird.
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veedub | 5:38 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Why would these groups talk to Chaffetz? They obviously care less about the truth than trying to keep him from winning the election. So much hysteria is all about politics, folks, and when it's not about politics, it's about hidden politics.
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Tom | 5:45 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
In other words, we can have a tent city in Phoenix for Maricopa County miscreants, and one at San Quentin but we can't offend the sensitivities of those who want to fight for the non-existant rights of illegal (as in criminal) immigrants? Give me a break. They lived in the desert under the brush and mesquite trees to get here. Living in a tent as they depart is a step up. Mexico shoots those infiltrating their southern-most border. Check it out. This is fact, not hyperbole.
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Sorry | 5:57 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
When the Mexicans go home
America will find out what a mistake they have caused
with violance to others
America is now a hateful place to live
You do not need to be Mexican
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No Prob | 6:56 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
I think they should be treated like the criminals they are. I am tired of them coming illegally. We are talking about criminals here...not children. I hate the tagging, the gangs, and having to have things in Spanish...THIS IS AMERICA!
By the way, you are not racist if you feel this way. Mexico does nothing to discourage them and they treat anyone as a visitor with an infraction horribly.
It is time to make a stand!
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Contradicted | 7:19 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Chaffetz said it's not prison camps, but it's meant for fugitives. So what's the place called where fugitives are held when captured? Prisons.

You can call it a bagel, Chaffetz, It's still a prison.
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arc | 7:27 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Jason has real answers, and is not biased. Mr. Honda admitted on Doug Wright, that he was criticizing Chaffetz based on information from National LaRaza, not Jason. Mr. Honda, along with Senator Clinton and groups like JACL are trying to spend $600,000,000.00 tax payer money to help immigrants and businesses that hire them. It says those that need help with English, which is good, it doesn't say they are here legally.

Jason's Democrat opponent, during this last few weeks weakened his stand on immigration. Did he have to do it to get the support of Honda?
Look at the differences:
"3. Bring undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and put those who are in good standing on a pathway to citizenship so that they can contribute to society by paying their fair share of taxes."

It said before a fine would be required. And it said English. It also said get in line. Why has he softened this?

"Bring undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and permit those who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and get in line to become legal US citizens. "

I am voting for Jason Chaffetz. Let's fix Legal Immigration.
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Comes Back to Bite You | 7:29 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
During the primary campaign, I heard Chaffetz praise the Mericopa County Sheriff's plan for using tent cities in the desert. But as soon as he used that in his conventions speech to a wider audience, I knew it was going to come back to bite him.

It may have received a loud applause from the delegates, but he's never going to be taken seriously on the national stage.

He's not even elected yet and he's already sunk his credibility with his colleagues.
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arc | 7:34 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
I know lots of nice people from Mexico. This isn't about where someone is from. It is about how they get here.
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Wide Right Chaffetz | 7:34 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Not surprising from WASM
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Jenna | 7:38 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Sensationalistic writing...

Instead of accusations, why don't you contact BOTH sides and get all the details before writing the article? I'd like to know the details of the Chaffetz plan on illegal immigration instead of someone else's interpretation of his plan.

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Ernest T. Bass | 7:38 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Chaffetz is simply unbelievable. The guy is insane and not fit to run a pack of cub scouts much less work in government.
You guys will get what you deserve when he's elected. He will turn more moderates into democrats.

I heard a wise man say that we should be judged on how we treat the most vulnerable people in society. In which case Jason C is a horrible person.
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Anonymous | 7:51 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
America is a great and charitable nation. We let more people immigrate to this country than any other. To say we are a hateful people is just plain wrong and Americans know it. We do have the right to protect our border and remove those who have come here illegally. In my religion, we have a set of scriptures. And in that scripture it warns us over and over not to let robbers and secret combinations get over our heads or the nation will be destroyed. In my opinion, illegal immigration qualifies as a secret combination.
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Realist | 7:58 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
My prediction is that Chaffetz will find out that he can talk a hard point while running for office, but that taking his tune to Washington will work out about as well for him as anyone else in the past. Neither the Republican nor the Democratic party will ever do anything significant about illegal immigration because BOTH parties benefit from the huge surplus of cheap labor. The best fix for illegal immigration is a completely stagnant economy. Hey, good news. We're almost there!
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L8R H8RZ | 8:00 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
WOW! Am I living on Planet Hatred?? Bob G, I bet that you�re LDS� No wonder I don�t attend church. Do you know the definition of terrorist? It is someone who uses violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, to intimidate others, often for political purposes. Sounds like our own government not these poor people trying to find work and a stable home to live in. Maybe these people would stop looking for refuge in our country if we�d stop meddling around in their countries and if our CIA would stop training terrorists at the School of Americas then sending them down South you�d see immigration drop. Mexico has partnered with the United States to keep people from coming into Mexico from Central & South America since they would eventually end up crossing the boarder. They�re shooting those people on their own boarder on our behalf. I am so saddened that so many people would let their bigotry get in the way instead of seeing what�s really going on that our government is fleecing us, not these poor immigrants.
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JMT | 8:03 a.m. Sept. 19, 2008
Arc, please spare us.

It is fun to watch the We-Love-Chaffetz crowd.

If Jason Chaffetz was caught robbing a bank his supporters would tell us Chaffetz was only saving us from evil bankers or something.

The issue here is one of integrity. During the convention in front of radical right-wing, anti-Hispanic types Chaffetz gives us the whole tents in the desert with razor wire. It played really well for the rabid right.

He gets into a primary and suddenly he stops talking about his concentration camps and then decided to give all illegal aliens visas. Primary voters are far more moderate.

Wins the primary and he is back to his concentration camps.

When called on his concentration camps his first answer was to deny it. Then shifted to saying he was only restating the Governors Association position, and he added the whole razor wire idea.

Now the truth comes out that the Governors Association never called for tents he is taking his 5th position on this that he is just trying to be effecient.

Which Chaffetz should we believe?

And moderators, I know that you are essentially part of the Chaffetz campaign. Allow some free speech. This is an example.
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