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The Legacy continues? Corridor to extend parkway may run through homes
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If legacy isn't extended | 2:53 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
it will produce gridlock and economic trouble ?
Funny I always thought it was the people driving the roads that caused gridlock and economic trouble .
But your never know what someone can blame it on.
Funny I always thought it was the people driving the roads that caused gridlock and economic trouble .
But your never know what someone can blame it on.
CP | 6:07 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Enough is enough. When they want a corridor to run thru homes they need to think
of a different route. It's hard enough for people to find a house so if
they already have one let them keep it! And also NO TOLLS!!!! Things in this
state cost enough!!!
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liberal Larry | 7:16 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Isn't it amazing how people willing give up their homes, and pay extra
taxes for the all-mighty freeways, but if you ask them to make a few sacrifices
to accommodate open space, parks, or wilderness areas, they start foaming at the
mouth and screaming about "radical environmentalists". The
conservative propaganda machine has trained them well.
lowonoil | 7:18 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
The Legacy North will never be built. The Mountain View Corridor, other than
perhaps a dozen or so miles subsidized by desperate developers, will never be
built.
We are at the begining of a decades long decline in our use of the automobile. The car for everybody model of transportation can only work with an endless supply of cheap energy. Cheap energy is coming to an end.
We will still have energy, but it will be costly energy that is obtained at great difficulty and used sparingly. This means that our astonishingly inefficient habit of scattering people at low density over enormous areas and requiring them to depend on cars to move around has to end. We will have no choice but to make other arrangements. Soon our existing road system will seem quite spacious to the fraction of us who can still afford to drive it and further expansion will be obviously pointless.
We are at the begining of a decades long decline in our use of the automobile. The car for everybody model of transportation can only work with an endless supply of cheap energy. Cheap energy is coming to an end.
We will still have energy, but it will be costly energy that is obtained at great difficulty and used sparingly. This means that our astonishingly inefficient habit of scattering people at low density over enormous areas and requiring them to depend on cars to move around has to end. We will have no choice but to make other arrangements. Soon our existing road system will seem quite spacious to the fraction of us who can still afford to drive it and further expansion will be obviously pointless.
Anonymous | 7:26 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Don't let Rocky know! It will take until 2024 to get it done if you do...
re: liberal larry | 8:07 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Thank goodness we also have the liberal media which which does well at
offsetting the conservative propaganda machine. The two fight against each
other and nothing ever gets done.
To be honest I was skeptical about Legacy myself but now my commute home is AWESOME! The article was clear that they aren't 100% on exactly where the freeway will run. They need to take out a map and plan it out and make sure they involve all parties and not jump through any legal loop holes.
A better solution is to invent environmental friendly flying cars. No more cause for freeways, build more parks.
To be honest I was skeptical about Legacy myself but now my commute home is AWESOME! The article was clear that they aren't 100% on exactly where the freeway will run. They need to take out a map and plan it out and make sure they involve all parties and not jump through any legal loop holes.
A better solution is to invent environmental friendly flying cars. No more cause for freeways, build more parks.
Joke | 8:12 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
People First
Bikes Second
Transit Third
Roads Last
If we want a sustainable community we can't just keep laying down roads without the thought of mass transit. We need Mass Transit from Logan to St. George. Does anyone really want more roads and less options? Look at our sky, it is dirty pollution brown. Our air quality is bad, and it is just going to get a whole lot worse if we fail to think about the long term future in our planning. Please UDOT, listen to the people who are wanting a sustainable community.
Bikes Second
Transit Third
Roads Last
If we want a sustainable community we can't just keep laying down roads without the thought of mass transit. We need Mass Transit from Logan to St. George. Does anyone really want more roads and less options? Look at our sky, it is dirty pollution brown. Our air quality is bad, and it is just going to get a whole lot worse if we fail to think about the long term future in our planning. Please UDOT, listen to the people who are wanting a sustainable community.
ediddy | 8:13 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
It will never happen. The foresight to plan for such a throughway is far, far
away in the rearview mirror of civic policy. Get used to the bottleneck, bought
asnd paid for by Jon Huntsman, Ross Anderson and the Sierra Club. The Legacy
Parkway, as it is now built is Utah's own "road to nowhere"
physically and metaphorically. But, it is a "pretty little road."
I agree with lowonoil | 8:15 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
I have to say that I would have to agree with lowonoil. To run a car is very
expensive, and to insure it also is costing alot. This state would be wasting
alot of money if they ever consider going thru with these corridors. More people
are using bikes or public transportation to get around, and even walking more.
So there's no sense to building all these corridors to ease the traffic,
cause soon it will take care of itself.
Conservative Craig | 8:32 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
This would have finished years ago if it wasn't for the "radical
environmentalists" holding it up in court. At the time there wasn't as
many houses that would have been effected.
They should have the people that held this up in court pay the extra $'s it's going to take to finish this freeway and bring it up north.
They should have the people that held this up in court pay the extra $'s it's going to take to finish this freeway and bring it up north.
Amazing | 8:35 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
I would like to borrow IOWONOIL's chrystal ball or do I just call you
prophet IOWONOIL. I drove the Legacy for the first time this morning. It was so
nice! It won't be long and we will wonder how we ever did without it. Why
should the north be restricted to dangerous over crowded roads. What happens
when I15 shuts down because of an accident. All the traffic routes through our
cities. It is ridiculous for a metropolitan area of this size to have only 1
major freeway. We need an alternative route as soon as possible.
It sounds nice | 9:27 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
until it is your home that is impacted. Then once all the legal hassles start,
it won't be much fun.
Wanted: better writers | 9:30 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
What a terrible article. They needed a human side to the story, so they tried
to portray this as some travesty that will cause Grandma to lose her home, but
the problem is they couldn't find any homeowners who were really upset
about it. The worst complaint they could find was one guy saying he hoped the
state would give him a good price for his home. And yet they still went ahead
and wrote the article from the same point of view. That's a terrible
writer who twists the truth to fit the story they want it to be, rather than
reporting the truth in an honest, unbiased manner.
Lowonoil | 9:31 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
It's not rocket science, Amazing. No cheap gas = no 20,000 miles a year in
a car for people of average means. Perhaps if the earth was a crystal ball we
could look into it and see how little easy to get oil there still is compared to
how much there was a while ago. The relentless decline in US oil discoveries
since the 1930's and in world discoveries since the 1960's gives us a
pretty good clue.
I don't have a crystal ball, but you might want to lurk for a while at theoildrum dot com to see what the oilworkers are saying about what's really going on.
I don't have a crystal ball, but you might want to lurk for a while at theoildrum dot com to see what the oilworkers are saying about what's really going on.
re liberal Larry | 7:16 a.m. | 9:51 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
I don't like Rush Limbah probably as much as you don't, yet I love
legacy highway.
I commute on I-15 where it runs, and it has improved my quality of life by leaps and bounds.
I didn't need rush or anyone else to tell me to like it, I do have my own mind and I know that legacy works for me.
I commute on I-15 where it runs, and it has improved my quality of life by leaps and bounds.
I didn't need rush or anyone else to tell me to like it, I do have my own mind and I know that legacy works for me.
lowonoil | 9:53 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
"A better solution is to invent environmental friendly flying cars."
When, oh when will those scientists get off thier lazy butts and invent more ways for us to remain on ours?
When, oh when will those scientists get off thier lazy butts and invent more ways for us to remain on ours?
Layton Homeowner | 10:06 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
I work in SLC, and live in Layton.
Legacy Highway just made me life SO much better. My usual hour commute home is now a half hour. All politics aside, that's all I need to hear. Whoever voted for it and made it happen, there's my politician.
More family time is what I want, and Legacy just gave it to me.
Thank you UDOT and thank you Legacy.
Legacy Highway just made me life SO much better. My usual hour commute home is now a half hour. All politics aside, that's all I need to hear. Whoever voted for it and made it happen, there's my politician.
More family time is what I want, and Legacy just gave it to me.
Thank you UDOT and thank you Legacy.
WSU Student | 10:08 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
They way that the Wasatch Front is set up looking east to west it mountains,
city, i-15, city, lakes mountains. there is only one i-15. now with the Legacy
parkway and soon to come mountainview corridor road, we will have two freeways
going north. There's not a lot of space with the population growth, but
with that growth, we need more roads. I think that the North Legacy Parkway is a
great idea. It will relieve congestion that will soon occur in Weber/Davis
counties with the growth rate. I'm all for it!
DR Don | 10:24 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
"Corridor to extend parkway may run through homes"
Kinda tough, having to wait for a break in the traffic to get to the bathroom!
Kinda tough, having to wait for a break in the traffic to get to the bathroom!
irony | 11:15 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Why is the traffic flow on I-15 so much better this week than last week? Maybe
it's because there was construction on it most of the summer (and the past
few years, because of Legacy). No wonder if flows easier now. Wait till
construction starts again. The better comparison would be with a construction
free day a few years ago.
third parteez now | 12:09 p.m. Sept. 17, 2008
re: re: liberal larry | 8:07 a.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Thank goodness we also have the liberal media which which does well at offsetting the conservative propaganda machine. The two fight against each other and nothing ever gets done.
Gee! Sounds like the democrats & gop.
Thank goodness we also have the liberal media which which does well at offsetting the conservative propaganda machine. The two fight against each other and nothing ever gets done.
Gee! Sounds like the democrats & gop.
Does anybody see the irony? | 12:53 p.m. Sept. 17, 2008
So it's just a matter of progress to displace people out of their homes to
build a new road, but if it may displace a few birds it can hold up construction
for four years.
shonuff | 1:44 p.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Legacy naysayers must be on crack. Have they checked in on the commute this
week? It's freeway speeds the entire length of I-15 and Legacy, morning and
night. And this observation comes from an ever-more in-shape bike commuter from
Davis County who uses Frontrunner.
But Frontrunner did nothing to ease the commute for drivers. Prior to Legacy, Frontrunner had been operational for months and I-15 was still dismal. I could leave WVC, ride my bike 5 miles to SL Intermodal, take the train to Layton and ride 5 miles to my house IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME that it took to drive from WVC to Layton.
My fellow Frontrunner'ers looked smugly on when I-15 was conjested. Now, drivers keep pace with the train and make it home in half the time. Now there's A LOT LESS SMUG in the air on the trains.
For those who may have to move to make room for a future north Legacy, go to UDOT's open houses for the project. Ask questions, and get involved. UDOT design engineers should know you by name! And if you do have to move, you will be compensated fair market value, nothing less.
But Frontrunner did nothing to ease the commute for drivers. Prior to Legacy, Frontrunner had been operational for months and I-15 was still dismal. I could leave WVC, ride my bike 5 miles to SL Intermodal, take the train to Layton and ride 5 miles to my house IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME that it took to drive from WVC to Layton.
My fellow Frontrunner'ers looked smugly on when I-15 was conjested. Now, drivers keep pace with the train and make it home in half the time. Now there's A LOT LESS SMUG in the air on the trains.
For those who may have to move to make room for a future north Legacy, go to UDOT's open houses for the project. Ask questions, and get involved. UDOT design engineers should know you by name! And if you do have to move, you will be compensated fair market value, nothing less.
@ Wanted: better writers | 3:01 p.m. Sept. 17, 2008
Dear wanted,
Apparently, you didn't read the article very well. I see no truth twisting at all. Fact: North Legacy is being planned. Fact: Some homes may be in the way. Fact: Some homeowners aren't very worried because this is years away. Fact: Don't you want to hear what people think about the future? Fact: The article appears to be written from the point of view that this may be the future of Legacy parkway.
Please explain your problem with this.
Apparently, you didn't read the article very well. I see no truth twisting at all. Fact: North Legacy is being planned. Fact: Some homes may be in the way. Fact: Some homeowners aren't very worried because this is years away. Fact: Don't you want to hear what people think about the future? Fact: The article appears to be written from the point of view that this may be the future of Legacy parkway.
Please explain your problem with this.
Merrill Thompson | 3:46 p.m. Sept. 17, 2008
How about this,Build the highway thru the Great Salt Lake, connect the Islands
with a giant causeway,make the east side fresh water and the west side salt
water, have a great lake for sports and fresh water, have a new highway without
upsetting homes, and continue it thru Toole and thru the desert area south of
Toole ,hook it to I-15 about at Nephi. It would open alot of new land and get us
a new Freeway six or eight lanes to go into the future. I can't imagine a
state the size of ours planning a four lane highway that is outdated before it
was built. When are we going to stop catering to the few and build for the many?
Run a freeway . . . | 10:04 p.m. Sept. 17, 2008
from north to south right through the middle of the lake like the railroad
causeway runs right through from east to west. The State owns the lake and
therefore they wouldn't have to confiscate anyone's property to do so.
The SL is a dead lake. It's NOT Lake Tahoe or Crater lake. A parkway
from north to south would actually improve the appearance of the now muddy,
stinky lake. Side roads and levees could be used to form fresh water segments
similar to Willard Bay. Tell the environmentalists to eat brine shrimp.
CP | 12:01 a.m. Sept. 18, 2008
All of you that are in favor for these projects, let me ask you something. IS it
YOUR HOUSE that is in their way and they want to sale it and tear it down for a
road for cars to drive on??
Aaron Lichfield | 11:15 a.m. Sept. 26, 2008
I experienced the drive for the first time today. It is a wonderful road option
to get us out of frantic, crowded I-15.
However, 55 mph is a waste. Plus 10 would be more reasonable.
Impacted environment? Not much of that along the route. I saw a pond, with a road already around it. That was a much ado about nothing, to enrich the attorneys for some years.
Too bad, that horrible dip approaching from the south, heading north. I hope that is fixed soon.
However, 55 mph is a waste. Plus 10 would be more reasonable.
Impacted environment? Not much of that along the route. I saw a pond, with a road already around it. That was a much ado about nothing, to enrich the attorneys for some years.
Too bad, that horrible dip approaching from the south, heading north. I hope that is fixed soon.
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Natalie Argyle, right, and her daughter Allie, 5, enjoy their backyard in Syracuse, which may be in path of a Legacy extension.
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