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Another FLDS child 'nonsuited'

Proving a negative (parents are not abusive) takes time. It would be the same if they took all the kids from any neighborhood.

Joey -

good thing they didn't take kids from a neighborhood. They took kids from one location - a ranch. With one address.

And these "parents" aren't really parents anyway. They're simply bad babysitters with a million rules (most of which are actually bad for the children.

Good parents keep their kids safe - they don't pimp out their 12 yr old daughters. And good parents prepare their children for life. Since the adults aren't even prepared for life, it would be impossible for them to prepare the children.

by the way - these parents are abusive. Raising your child to be a sheep is abuse. And since the parents are so pathetic they cannot even decide what to put in their head (they let someone else tell them what they can and cannot read, watch, and listen to) - the children are also being raised as such. What kind of children will these kids become? more sheep.

I guess as long as they stay out in the desert and don't mingle their diluted DNA into the general population, it doesn't really matter. (Unless you're one of the kids - but they'll never know the difference anyway....)

Joey,

It looks like Reality check lives in Texas and is starting to worry about the lawsuits that are now coming from AT LEAST 287 children, their parents and their grandparents.

I wonder if reality check was one of the good old boys who lost the opportunity to wed his 14 year old bride when the FLDS came into town.

That would explain his lame attempt to keep the child abuse line of CPS going.

"I wonder if reality check was one of the good old boys who lost the opportunity to wed his 14 year old bride when the FLDS came into town."

This is what the FLDS apologists have descended to? This is equivalent to saying "I know you are but what am I?" and just as pathetic, juvenile and transparent.

Realitycheck just has a phobia about cult mind control. He's paranoid and delusional. He's stated before that he would rather have been raped in foster care (chance of rape in foster care greater than 50% by some estimates), than raised in the FLDS. To each his own.

Hey yall....rather than the personal attacks against RC why not focus on the issues.

Hey RC, nice to see you and zxcvbnm still around. :) Sorry I've slacked off and haven't been around much, but I'm back.

RC, have you seen the article on education on Truth Will Prevail? How ya gonna dispute that? FLDS were scoring higher over all than national or state averages.

I agree with zxcvbnm(that's a cool name to type, btw.) Let's focus on the issues. The simple fact is, Texas screwed up. If we expect to have any freedoms remaining in our country, we need to have our elected officials held responsible for their actions. I'm not saying you can't prosecute people, even FLDS, for crimes. What I'm saying is, don't break the law to enforce the law.

"an effecient and effective investigation" was the motive behind the control of the children.
Great......289 children effeciently and effectively cleared.........the interogation is over for 289 children.
Of course the adult children don't count in the effecient and effective numbers, or do they?
Sis months of "effecient and effective" investigating has CPS still not able to provide the six men indited with the "evidence" collected.......and six months of investigation has one girl protected from a man in prison and a missing unindited father.
So how do these "effecient and effective " investigations work?
Are we absolutly sure that Jeffs and Merril won't be able to communicate with the 289 free children and if so.........why not 290?
Glad to see that the investigation was effecient and effective. Just why dos CPS want a do over? Wasn't the investigation "effecient and effective" enough"? Oh heck.......just go get the tank and start again.

don't break the law to enforce it? Then do not protect the monsters who abuse chidlren.

I agree with zxcvbnm. Leave RC alone.

Teaching children to be sheep is bad. Especially when it comes from people who follow some wacked-out leader.

Oh wait, it was Christ that said to be as little children and feed his sheep. Sorry.

Substituting your own believes, no matter how noble, for someone else's, no matter how stupid, is exactly the reason we all left England.

Raising your children in your beliefs, however bizare, isn't abuse. Forcing parents to raise their children according to gospel of the majority, the state, or just some random tyrant like RC isn't abuse either. It's evil.

realitycheck,

You are not helping the situation by being negative. You need to stop seeing them as the strange other and start seeing them as people. While I am not necessarily pro flds, I do keep an open mind. I am sure that most of the parents try to do the right thing for their children. Abuse happens all over the country and it is not surprising that it also happens in the FLDS. I am not condoning the practice of abuse I am merely saying that it happens everywhere and is not isolated to the FLDS. Not everyone in a neighborhood is abusive because one household is abusive on your street. Being hateful is not going to help the situation and reinforces what the FLDS are told out the outside world.

We need to look at the issue at hand. Focus on legal aspects and keep your strong feeling out of it.

Yes I saw the figures, would you like to tell us where those numbers came from?
Since No other agency seems to have ANY numbers Flds childrens education??
were these numbers made up by Flds?
Since most boys are picked to work construction sites from the age of 13, seems to me those numbers wouldnt gel.

You can spin things any way you want, try to mix up any issues and continue to use outragious analogies, but the facts will play out in court as it already has with Warren Jeffs their leader. Indictments are being made for child molestation and child rape. There is alot of eveidence that is still being looked at. You all know in the end their will be some jail sentenced for child molestors and the FLDS will either try harder to cover their illegal tracks or actually change and grow and allow females to mature a little more before tryin to force them into marriage with old men.

Mr Medvecky
I beleive you have done enough harm on your own. Threatening a Judge, Head of CPS, the Governor of Texas.

War is a perfect definition for this travesty.

War, by definition, is an absence of law. We even have tanks and troops in the picture and major court rulings against the evasion of the law by CPS.
I guess the "Hugo Grotious" definition of war fits.
No law in Texas......now I get it.

"abuse happens all over the world." So in other words, because abuse happens in many places in the world, we should not focus on what is happening with the FLDS practices of marrying off underage girls to older men that they do not know, be fore they even know themselves? Murder happens all over the world, so should we not focus on gang violence?

No matter how you spin things, use outragious analogies, or try to misdirect the issues. We all get emotional over this but in the end, it will be decided in the courts. Not on this forum. Thank goodness!

I actually agree with realitycheck. It's one thing to raise your children to be religious. It's another to not teach them about life and simply keep them away from everything so that is all they know. And then to make it so if they want more out of life they have to forsake everything they know, that's really bad.

If the FLDS would have an open mind and let kids go out in the world and still come home, that would be good. but when the kids have to choose between the only thing they know (FLDS) and doing something with their lives, that's just not right.

yes - the FLDS 15 yr olds scored equivilent to the outside 17 yr olds. So they're smart kids. SO WHY DO YOU STOP TEACHING THEM AT 15???

The FLDS 25 yr olds also scored like outside 17 yr olds. So the learning ends at 15 (or 17 depending on how you want to look at it). Real good for the kids.

The fact is - these are smart kids and the FLDS hold them back at every turn. They get to learn until they are 15 and then they either get pregnant or they're out hammering nails.

Can't believe you all would even try to say the FLDS people are as educated as everyone else. Even their "college graduates" simply earned a certificate from an on-line college. In 10,000 FLDS, there may be 20 bachelors degrees.

Why would people that are so incompetent that they cannot even raise decent children without isolating them and lying to them - why do they continue to have so many babies? they cannot even raise the ones they have....

boggles the mind.

The source for the testing of children is posted........look it up.
The laws and rules broken by CPS have been addressed by SCOTEX and the US 5th circuit.......look them up.
The quotes by Crimmins, Voss and Meisner are out there ....look them up.
The accusations by the book peddlers are out there.......oh yes.....they are still whineing...........289 innocent children are freed by the State of Texas.......look it up........after a six month investigation.......read CPS media releases.
The "evidence" gathering methods and rules compliance by CPS needs a do-over.......get it.
There really isn't much to spin.......CPS shoots itself in the foot with each press release.

Go ahead and cirrect the spelling if you feel a need to criticize.......cirrect, get it.