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Nice Move | 12:30 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Perhaps you could reduce baseball a little more since many of these kids play in summer leagues. Baseball doesn't get much attendance because it isn't that fun to watch. Also, please get rid of cross country all together.

OK | 6:01 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Lets get rid of all sports...turn them all over to club and corporate sponsors...like in other countries and start really focusing in on education and while we are at it let make sure we get rid of music, math,drama etc...because no one comes to watch those events..either...put it to the communities not by 15 people that really wish they could be fishing..

Re:nice Move | 7:04 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Don't mess with cross country. It's the one sport that where kids particpate for the right reasons. If the UHSAA had any integrity in this area, they would start with football and start with endownment games. But they're not going to give up anything.

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Down south | 7:06 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Reducing the baseball season from 22 games to 20 is ridiculous. The schools in Vegas currently play a 35 game schedule which is a meaningful baseball season. Cutting the season by two games would be pointless for the fans and players to even get excited about. Plus more baseball kids would focus more on club ball and eventually the baseball season would disappear.

gary | 7:15 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

try to reduce football and watch the up roar

Yeah, Let's get rid of | 7:52 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

x-country because it is the sport that Utah actually does best at the national level. Let's focus more on basketball because Utah has produced so many NBA players lately...

Ridiculous | 7:54 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

The person who said lets get rid of all sports. If you get rid of all sports then good luck funding alot of your programs. If you notice the sport that cost the most to do football also brings in more money then what you are interested in donating to your local high school. So why don't we get rid of school in general then. Yeah we all know how community teams are ran dad coaches his kids team and he is the star. We already have youth programs in most communities. Also I would agree that they need to reduce baseball games to 16 just because those kids play a ton in the summer and even in some places the fall.

Don't get rid of sports!!! | 7:55 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Club sports with corporate sponsors is NOT the way to go. There are some sports that operate on a 50,000 budget and it would be impossible to function.

Anonymous | 7:59 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Cross country is a sport that all can participate in. It has fewer injuries than football or basketball and less liability. The contests are very few as it is. It makes more sense to not cut sports at all as they help students in more ways than just academics.

UHSAA is a joke | 8:08 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Once again picking on the lower classifications. Who cares right? I am sick of the sports in this state, cutting games????!!! Are you serious. Is cutting 2 games really going to help?? They need to add more games if anything! Go to geographical regions for the season and then enrollment numbers for the state tourneys! Easy soloution!

Former HS Coach | 8:14 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

What a joke other states are letting kids play and Utah wants to stop them from playing. In some states they play 40 basketball games and you want to only allow them to play 18. LET THE KIDS PLAY!!!
And you wonder why kids get recruited off of playing the dreaded AAU Ball!

More | 8:36 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Every sport should be reduced more, and more needs to be done to limit offseason competition. Kids who play sports these days don't have a life.

James | 8:41 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Football and basketball are the only two sports that really make money, that is why they don't reduce those.

Agree with Down South | 8:46 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

You don't need to reduce the number of baseball games. You could actually increase them and solve another problem. We all know baseball is the only sport you can participate in while taking a nap. Solve the high school sleep deprivation issue at the same time!!

Anonymous | 9:04 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

LOL! Speech is being cut. When has Speech been a sport. If Speech is a sport, then what about the Chess Club?

Finn | 9:06 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Why would 4A-5A get more opportunities to play more games than the smaller schools? Because it is closer? Excuse me if I am wrong, but gas is gas and time out of school is time out of school. So if you penalize one group, it should be the same for ALL groups. Heaven forbid that the precious 4A/5A schools get to follow the same rules as everyone else for once!

wrestling fan | 9:13 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

why is basketball not being cut in the 4A/5A. At my school i'm the wrestling coach and the basketball team misses more school than the wrestling team. @0 minutes here and 30 minutes here adds up plus in wrestling we duel our region teams once, in basketball they do it twice and we have a 8 team region. All in all its wrong

Re: Agree w/ Down South | 9:17 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Just because you could care less about baseball doesn't mean that you just get rid of it! There are MANY kids out there that LOVE the game and go to school soley because of it. We don't ask you to come to the games so stay away and don't worry about missing out on your "Sleep" Get a clue and learn a little about the game I am sure that you will come to understand just how interesting every piece of that game can be. And actually, I don't play baseball, I just love watching it!

Downsize | 9:19 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

I think we should reduce the number of day I have to work.

Too many Kids | 9:22 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

We need to limit the number of kids in a family. This will increase the per student spending and save our sports. I think every family should be allowed one child, two if the pay extra. That will also reduce class sizes. China is so smart

Slow Down? | 9:56 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Good Luck. If it's not sports it will be something else. Just a thought, what sport has the most Utah athletes participating in at the professional level? Right the sleep deprivation program. Interesting. Let's stop playing that. What programs do we have the most kids get life-long injuries from? Chess Club? The answer isn't cut games. UHSAA should cut travel with smaller geographic regions. Playing on Saturdays. Combined trips with boy & girls and avoid one bus going one way and the other going in the opposite direction. Now that is dumb!

Friday Night Rider | 10:03 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Why would you get rid of sports... they bring in great revenue and although education is important, students who participate in sports learn valuble lessons like teamwork, communication, dedication and hard work. Getting rid of X-Country is stupid as well. I ran X-Country in high school before I even knew what it was. I think that if most people actually watched a X-Country meet, they would probably find it very enjoyable. I'm not saying it would get more attendance than football or basketball, but it is actually very entertaining!

Boy/Girl bus | 10:09 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

We don't want boy/girl buses here. It is too much work for the coaches. I remember in Texas we had that and unless you have great coaches I wouldn't do it. As a male teenager I loved it.

USHAA what a crock of... | 10:14 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Go on cut everything but football! Why donï¿½t you wake up and smell youï¿½re ..... An easy solution to baseball expenses would be to play dbl headers. You could even have the schools play on neutral fields if your worried about home field advantage. Just like you guys to snap to judgment and not think it through again!!!

True Blue Layton | 10:25 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Sorry if this is a duplicate. My post didn't appear.

The problem lies in the powers to be running the state education system. Utah is nearly always DEAD LAST in money spent per student in education. That includes sports. Parents & students that haven't lived elsewhere or no any different, don't realize we are getting screwed out of a better education....and hence, sports. I've lived in several states, and I know the difference. It starts at the top.

No Need | 10:34 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

The number of games played doesn't need to be lowered, just put a limit on the number of miles a team can travel each season. This would force teams to play the schools in their own areas or go to more tournaments rather than single game trips. A team usually gains more from playing in tournaments anyway.

re: ok | 10:44 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Cut all sports? Are you kidding? Anybody that knows anything knows that sports are what keeps half of the kids in school any way! It's a proven fact that athletics help students achieve better grades. Many students stay eligible just so they can play, otherwise they would be lost. GET A CLUE!!!!

True Blue | 10:53 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

For teams traveling out of state to invitationals, etc, you'd hope that's money that comes directly from their own budget. Only problem with that, those schools are probably asking for budget money to cover those trips. If it's going to those schools, then it's coming out of an overall budget, which is affecting everybody....including education.

Region 1 | 11:03 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

So that means Region 1 baseball will only have four pre season games? What a joke, UHSAA is clueless and that's why nobody looks at Utah for sports.

Anonymous | 11:21 a.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Speech is a sport. The definition of a sport is a competition, so your example of a chess club being a sport is correct.

Athletics are needed for a well-balanced education. But they aren't actually eliminating anything, just reducing the length of seasons and number of games.

Friday Night Rider | 12:18 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Speech and Chess are not sports... they are competitions.

To all of those | 12:23 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

who are making cracks about baseball, let me clue you in on something. There are more college scholarships available for kids who play baseball. The odds of your star football player getting a next level scholarship is next to nothing. Very few kids get to play basketball, therefore very few get their school paid for. There are countless oportunities for the baseball kids to move on and play at the next level with school paid for. If your kid has skills on the baseball field, the odds of a scholarship are much better than any other sport. This goes for the softball gals also.

True Blue | 12:28 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Let's get this straight...come on. We know what true sports are.

True Blue Layton Fan | 12:42 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Whoever gave said negative about baseball isn't a sports fan. Baseball is lacking in support from parents and the community in general. It's unfortunate. I played baseball.....rare to find a relatively large crowd. Therefore, no ticket revenue, which means, it's probably a money loser. Schools rely on football to bring in the revenue.

x country | 1:03 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

is a joke. We already have track. It is redundant. If you want to seperate the two, them please move anything longer than the 800 meters to cross country. There was nothing more pathetic than having to watch the 3000 meter run at the state meet for each class boys and girls before the 110 meter hurdles. It was noon before the real races even began. Do you know how boring it is to watch?

RE: James @ 8:41 am | 1:12 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

To say basketball and football are the only sports that make money is so far from reality it makes me wonder just how intelligent you really are when it comes to high school sports. Football Example: By the time you shell out $8,000 + budgeted for football each year, $5,000 + for all coaches, $1,500 + for busses, $2,500 + for home officials, $5,000 + for staff (police, ambulance, chain crew, announcer etc.). So, $22,000 + a season is about as CHEAP AS IT GETS for a 4-A, 5-A school. Not to mention insurances, fee waivers, custodial etc. This is all out of school funds for the large majority of football programs. Not too many schools come close to covering those costs with 4 or 5 home games. Thank God for fundraisers!

UNsuperintendents | 1:21 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

With superintendents making such ridiculous suggestions it makes me wonder how many of those people ever played high school sports. Or how many of their egos are so big that they can't except the fact that sports are bigger than them?

Cheezy!!! | 1:21 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

UHSAA always amazes me. To you members of the UHSAA: For the sake of the all mighty Dollar you are going to cut games for the students that love sports.{pretty darn cheezy on your part} The last time I checked the kids that play these sports{all of them} love the game they play and for you do gooders to take games away is absurd at best. What do you want them to do go party or do drugs or other things, with the free time you give them. Your plan is for your [DOLLAR BENNIFIT] and it does nothing to help the students. After all it is the best for the Students that should count. ANOTHER FINE MESS THE UHSAA WILL BRING UPON THE STUDENTS. cheezy!!!!!!!

UHSAA Please read this! | 1:37 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

By cutting 4-A, 5-A baseball back 2 games here's what you'll save. Let's assume you cut 1 home and 1 away game for JV and Varsity each. You save $200 in umpires and $250 in bussing. So congratulations you save a school a whopping $450 a year and cheat the kids. Do you really expect us with knowledge to think for one second that this proposal has merit. I'll give you $500 out of my fundraisers to keep my two games. You can spend the extra $50 on more bottled water for your staff.

LoneStar: | 1:43 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

I belive in the context of the coment made by Cheezy and all parents and fans should be conserned about this stupid planning. Does the UHSAA have nothing beter to do than make things worse on Students and all the Schools in their respective classifacations? and to you UHSAA members I am ashamed of you for putting the filthy lucure {Dollar} ahead of the students.. It is the Students that count and no matter how much Money you might save you will hurt the Students and the Atheletic programs of the Schools involved. This will only serve Lucifer. Cut somewhere else maybe your own salery but please leave the Atheletic programs for the students alone. Increase the amount of games dont cut them these kids love sports and the compitition involved with them. and I do concure with Cheezy. what do you want them to do. Drugs? Party? other things brought on by lucifer??

AGAIN!!! | 1:58 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

The Board members of the UHSAA are hard at it again by golly, cant help but wonder how they do it year after year. Lets see, last year dividing the Classifacations up {Unfairly}. Now this year taking away games form Students. You have got to wonder about the THINK TANK of the UHSAA!! They sure like to make life hard on all of the Student players and thier respective Schools. to the members of the UHSAA. ITS THE STUDENTS FIRST ABOVE ALL!!!{not the dollar} get it? ITS THE STUDENTS FIRST!!! Dont create a monster by taking games away these kids love sports and their fans also...

It's their own fault | 2:12 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

Sports programs have brought this proposal upon themselves. Since Baseball has been used a lot in this thread, let's use if for an example. Having the Freshman team get out of school at noon for a home game so they can shag balls from batting practice has turned some people against baseball. Administrators (Superintendents) only see the missed time in class. You add extra travel to out of state tournaments where students miss two days of school and what do you think an administrator is going to do. The logical thing to them is to cut games. If programs would police themselves and try to keep students in school more, this proposal would never have come to light.

Re: It's their own fault | 3:02 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

All schedules and tournaments MUST be signed off by the athletic director and/or principals. And any trip over 150 miles in or out of state must be signed off by approved by the UHSAA and in most cases with the school district as well. Which means these programs such as baseball have full approval of their supervisors in regards to time missed from class and travel. Nice try though! You sound like a typical school board member with little or no knowledge and just wants to make a blanket statement with little or no facts to back it up.

Sports Dad | 3:06 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

I have a girl and a boy that are involved in high school athletics. My experience is that most of the kids who are in these programs are highly motivated and do well academically anyway. For most of the rest of them, sports helps motivate them to stay on top of their classes so they don't become ineligible to play. It is a win-win as far as the kids are concerned. I have been to out-of- state tournaments for baseball in April and faced teams that have already played 30+ games. To further reduce the number of games turns our programs into a joke compared to other states. If our kids are willing to work hard at something--anything--the parents, the legislators, and the UHSAA need to figure out a way to support them.

RE: Re: It's their own fault | 3:19 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

How about your freshman son shagging baseballs instead of attending algebra class. Was that signed off too?

i DISAGREE with | 3:36 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

It's there own fault, my son plays baseball for a 4A school, they get out of school at 2:05 and have roughly 1/2 hour to get dressed, take a few swings in the cage and get on the bus to travel to a region game, he got released from his 4th period class about 1/2 earl on days where the travel was a little longer. also a couple of years ago the sports teams had that for there 4th period so not to miss as much school, but the school districts no longer allow there team sport to take there powerlifting or pe for that period anymore,

however | 3:39 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

i do agree that if the uhsaa is worried about travel, maybe they should of done a better job with the reallignment there are alot of better solutions to travel to play schools close to you and 1 last thought
LET THE KIDS GET MORE GAMES IN
PLAY DOUBLEHEADERS

RE: 3:19 post | 3:53 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

If a freshman is allowed to miss class to shag balls for a 4:00pm game then that school has many more problems than a baseball program/coach. Unless the field is off campus, say about 100 miles or so, I think the freshman would be able to walk to the ball field after the final class no problem. Again another post that sounds like a school board member, grasping at ridiculous "what-ifs" Please post the name of the school(s) that do this if it is happening. I'm of no authority and bet I can solve this problem with one phone call, I don't need to cut games from schedules to accomplish something so small. Again, Good try!

I agree with X Country | 4:01 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

I was at the state track meet. I believe the reason they delayed the 3k run was because of the Javlin accident with the reporter. They should have ran 1 through 3A together then 4 and 5A. This was pathetic to watch. figure at least 15 minutes for everyone to finish the race add this 10 times and you are well over two hours. At the very least please move this event to cross country where it belongs.

Anonymous | 4:45 p.m. Sept. 11, 2008

You would think the school would protest against things and try to get that changed. All school want to win a championship or 1st place in all sports even Drama and Cross Country. Its a great accplishment to make it to a championship games. How is reducing games going to make things better? Baseball/softball season is the shortest season and yet your going to reduce the season? Humbb. And about the "its your own fault" writer.. Should you child be on the baseball team if his grades are not good enough for play? Most schools do not let kids out of school if their grades are not up to par?? I have played all 4 years of high school when I was a freshman only far away games we got out early and it was the last class, and we never had shaggers on the varsity team we did it ourselves. So maybe your kid needs to be water boy so he doesnt have to leave class early? Really someone enlighten me how cutting games is going to help them study more?? Cause that is going to make the uproar even worse??!!

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