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Warrants could lead to more FLDS charges

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nosugrof | 1:53 a.m. Sept. 7, 2008
They are investing the wrong people.They should investigate CPS for abusing 400+ children. Angie Voss claimed that 48% of the men were involved in underage marriages. This is the same CPS who claimed that 31 0f 53 girls aged 14-17 had been or were pregnant. Only to see that number dwindle to 4 or 5. Yet the Deseret News, bless your hearts, still accepts the CPS word as the gospel truth.
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Abotion analogy | 4:32 a.m. Sept. 7, 2008
I find it interesting how there really are two different points of view here to argue. One is people defending the right to be free from enslavmement from others, the other is the right exercise freedom of religion. Similar to the abortion issue. One side says right for a woman to decide what happens to her body, the other side says right to life for fetus. I think it really depends on which one the person benefits more from as to how the person decides what side to defend on this FLDS issue. We all have basic rights and sometimes they overlap.
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zxcvbnm | 7:57 a.m. Sept. 7, 2008

Musser, the sister to Elisa was never at the ranch. Great informant!

Sarah, the alleged victim, was never at the ranch. Great victim!

How many more people that were never at the ranch will testify about what they saw, think they saw, or just pain imagined?
How many more witnesses will have never been at the scene?
I guess cps can fill in the blanks!
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Joey | 9:45 a.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Good to see Texas spending tens of millions of dollars trying to establish paternity and jurisdiction of the children of a few 16 year olds at YFZ. Why not rope off inner city Dallas and get DNA from everyone. They'll probably be hugely successful with a far higher cost/return ratio. There are hundreds of 13 year old prostitutes pimping in Dallas alone, not to mention all the baby daddies, forcing young girls to bear children and obtain welfare payments. These victims need your help too, Texas. The barrios have a problem too -- but that's more "cultural." Nonetheless, turn those places upside down, and you're bound to find a lot of pregnant/raped 14 year olds. Maybe you can hire more pranksters to give you the probable cause needed to get around the little issue of the 4th amendment.
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ONE IS TO MANY | 11:16 a.m. Sept. 7, 2008
nosugrof --- One is to many, it doesen't matter if Texas was off in their count.

If proven guilty in court those involved in underage marriage need to "repent from afar" with Warren Jeffs in the "ultimate gated community".
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Gal50 | 12:13 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
No quote from Rod Parker, who thought there were only a handful of underage marriages?

The FLDS needs to start sending its members to law school, because even if these cases don't result in convictions, all of these lawsuits are going to drive the organization into something akin to bankruptcy. Once a lawsuit is filed against an organization, even if it wins the case, it has kind of lost because it had to spend so much money defending itself.

In the Texas situation, the FLDS should want one case to go forward rather quickly. The Jeffs case would be a good pick if Arizona will release him to Texas, since he already lives in jail and another conviction isn't going to affect his lifestyle as much as the other members. Then all of the challenges can go against the Jeffs case rather than all six to ten cases.

At this point, the challenges appear to be the nature of the phone call, the raid of the entire compound and the law, which the legislator claimed in the press was designed specifically with the FLDS in mind. These cases, like the CPS ones, appear to be in jeopardy.



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WashCo | 12:30 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Why do these obvious FLDS posters keep whinning about the Texas CPS? Having sex with children is just plain wrong. Wake up! Get a clue! Perversion is perversion regardless of what uncle Warren says.
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CPS: Get a life | 1:42 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
It's time for CPS to put this thread to bed. They didn't get anything done the first dozen times, and they no longer have the national spotlight.

This is getting old, folks. CPS is a proven failure and they are displaying themselves as vindictive losers.

Leave the FLDS in peace.
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Not just Girls, but Boys too | 2:07 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Why don't any states make laws against throwing young teen boys out of the house? Just so they can make room for polygamy?

These FLDS need to change their ways, not just with girls, but with boys too.
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Cats | 3:00 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Well, the FLDS are blogging again. Same old people every time trying to convince the rest of us that they are victims. And, as usual, they focus on a bunch of silly trivia and frivolous issues that, they think, somehow become persuasive arguments that they are being railroaded.

The article stated very plainly that Becky Musser did not give specifics, but only testified to general information about behavior inside the cult.

Nobody is convinced by your blogs, so keep it up. The more you blog the more you discredit yourselves.

The investigation continues and we will see just how many of these criminal child rapists get arrested.

IT ISN'T OVER YET!
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zxcvbnm | 2:58 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008

No boys were thrown out of the YFZ ranch in Texas. I thought that the "lost boy issue had been settled. Looks like another Flora, Carolyn, Musser Tale sold to Doran.
Warrants based on testimony of persons never at the ranch and a raid based on a nonexistant person are bad enough.
Lets not drag up more "non evidence about nonexistant crimes.
One girl is already in foster care to protect her from a man in prison and another unindited man that CPS can't find.
Oh I get it.....the missing kid may be Merrill!
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DR Don | 4:04 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Nice to see all the FLDS apologists here still beating the drums of their agenda!
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J-man | 4:07 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Joey, how can you honestly defend the FLDS practice of marrying off 12 y/o girls to 50+ y/o men? That is clearly in the pedophile category.
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wheels | 4:15 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
The wheels of justice just keep turning, don't they.
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zxcvbnm | 4:39 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008

Finally cats........you recognize that the motives and agenda of CPS was based on "frivilous issues". Super. Now you are comprehending.

Every explanation of CPS for their actions has been bebunked and shot down like ducks in a barrel.

SCOTEX as well as the 5th circuit has limited further CPS mass abuse.
Now CPS is looking like a bunch of bumbling fools and the only explanation for their behavior is whoops.
Cats.......you have to do better than flds supporter or attack spelling to defend cps. How about calling the flds polygamists...........ouch that would hurt.
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Joey | 4:52 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
J-man, your straw man argument isn't going to work with me. I'm defending Constitutional rights, of which the families at YFZ were violated, plain and simple.
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common sense | 4:56 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Has anyone bothered to read the New Frontier for Families website?? It describers amoung other things, approx how many young boys and girl who have left FLDS, and how they are trying to Help them with housing, education, etc.

And Of course there will be more indictments! How do you know Musser didnt talk to family members on that ranch? They all had cell phones, many are living in San Antonio now, not on the ranch.
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anon | 5:11 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
The article didn't say that Becky Musser was the inside informant. When specifically asked if she wwere, the answer was "no comment." Some of you seem to assume that that means that she was. It can alsmo mean that she was NOT. He just does not want to elaborate. Some posters are writing as if she WERE the inside informant and is therefore not credible because she did not live there. Maybe they should assume the opposite: that someone who live there was the informant.
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tigerlily | 5:13 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
the cps agenda was based on a lie. constitutional rights were violated by the cps and the cps should be sued for it.
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common sense | 5:20 p.m. Sept. 7, 2008
Joey, you dont have a constitutional right to marry or have sex with an underage girl, I dont care what religion you beleive.
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