Obrother obama | 6:05 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
If Obama is such a great leader, why does he tend to vote "present" which effectively states that you cannot decide between yes or no? Why did he oppose the Baby Alive Infant Protection Act (Baipa) when even Naral Pro Choice America had no objections? What experience does Obama have? A term as Senator with most of that time spent campaigning for the office of President. Remember also that for his own grandmother, he didn't hesitate to use the words "typical white person." If that doesn't show failure of judgment, I don't know what does. Especially given that he is half white himself, even if he chooses to ignore the genetics his mother gave him. It's clear that he rejects such and would be unwilling to represent my needs, you know, cuz I am a typical white person.

I would have voted for Hilary, but am now voting for McCain. McCain is quite different than Bush, based on historical voting and is quite moderate. I am fortunately able to ignore the rhetoric to look at documented fact, readily available on the net and bypartisan.
Anonymous | 6:18 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
swiftouch, I think if you have to spew this kind of nonsense to strengthen your beliefs then your faith is pretty weak. The truth is that our country and our world is not going to end regardless of which on of these men gets elected. I think it is time to reject the fear mongering of the past.
Compliments to Tyrone | 6:22 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I'm glad to see at least one other person finds it funny that anything bad must be Bush's fault and all good things must be Obama's fault.
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Harold | 6:34 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Notice the continued paternalism of the Democratic Party, as directly quoted in the article:

"More of you have lost your homes and more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay and tuition that is beyond your reach," he said.

He is correct to say that these problems are not created by government, but goes on to claim that government can fix them or should have fixed them.

Every one of the items he mentions are a result of personal choices and personal greed. Until we as a people decide to value more than material possessions no amount of pretty oratory or smartly worded hope can save us.
Joe | 6:47 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Obama said he will close government agencies that no longer work as part of the way he will pay for his expansion in other government programs.

Simple question: Give me an example of one government agency he will close.

OK, name one government agency he should close.
Ed Whalen | 6:49 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
It was a great moment. I look forward to being able to vote for Obama.
Togas for Purple | 7:22 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
The American people are going to get what they deserve. Voting for the lessor of two evils has a half life. The next choice between two evils is worse than the prior choice. Here we are today, enduring the never ending election, listening to a siren's song that sounds elegant and beautiful, but is nothing but bait for a snare. Next week we'll listen to a courageous war hero, but weak politician. If you think either of these guys live their political lives and set their promises by the Constitution, you're mistaken. Our republic, the longest in history, is fading away. Nothing I've read, seen in the news, heard from Obama or McCain, or read here has assuaged that feeling. We are loosing our sovereignty as a nation, and as individuals. Does anyone over the age of 35 acutally feel the government is less in your face today than 10 years ago? The driving force of this is left leaning policy makers who drive politics, and that goes for Reps and Dems, period. Socialism, victimism, militant enviromentalism, militant feminism, sexual deviancy taught as a virute, and egosim. Government, get out of my face. Sorry if this offends someone, really.
CP | 7:29 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Sorry Obama won't get my vote. He seems so full of hype and all, almost as if it's all for the media attention and nothing else. And he really is so inexperienced. And I just don't get that strong impression that he knows what he really wants to say or do.
MW | 7:38 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Obama is mostly all rhetoric with very little truth. Every election candidates promise so many handouts, and never admit that they need to raise taxes to pay for them all. In Obama's case it is worse. He claims he can cut taxes and still "give away the farm" too.
Wake up people to reality!!
Huh? | 7:54 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I must have missed something. The only thing said by B HUssein Obama was said by Slick Willey 16 years ago and that was what was wrong with America but there was no substance on how to change it. As for BHO being a great Orator, what a joke. Just a week ago he stumbled and really looked the fool that he is during the Christian Debate and to see the Obamanuts get drunk on the Kool-Aid is a real treat. Now to hear other narrow minded bigots say the McCain is bad because he doesn't know the Internet is too much. BTW can anybody out there just tell me the CHANGE that BHO is going to bring? and don't just say that it will be different that GWB, for as you know, BHO is running against McCAIN not GWB.
BR | 8:00 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Two words describe BO last night: Arrogant and Angry.
Grant | 8:04 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I am desperately afraid of the change Barack Obama represents: high taxes, socialized healthcare, weakening of our colleges, and an overall lack of competition in our society which will come from the handouts he plans on giving.
sob | 8:06 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
how interesting it is to live in the weirdest state in the union during the democratic convention.
it is refreshing to know that utah is so small that its ozarks mentality will have no effect on the outcome of this election. rush limbaugh would be considered a communist in most of the state. must be something about the genetics being mixed up in all the wives of one man 100 years ago.
Elvis | 8:10 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
How dare he use my name!!!
after reading this thread | 8:13 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I wonder how many of you actually watched the speech. He addressed many of the concerns listed here, and fleshed out his policies more than I've ever heard from a politician. He never attacked McCain's character. He attacked his policies, which mirror those of GW to a great extent. The McCain camp has rutinely attack Obama's character, calling unpatriotic (what a joke) and attempting to link him to everything they can think of to smeer his reputation. There is a clear difference between these two candidates, you just need to look.
DH | 8:13 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
It's all a bunch of nonsense. It doesn't matter if the candidate is democrat or republican, this is polictics as usual. Next week the republicans will spend all of their time bashing Obama. When Clinton was in the whitehouse everything in the world was his fault based on what the republican's said.

Politics as usual, meaningless, stupid and exhausting.

I wish that there was one person in this political world that actually cared about the country and not just about bashing the opponent. Why do we need to tear each other down? Why all the rhetoric? Why cannot we not just focus on positive ways to move us forward? I guess I am naive.
Dave | 8:26 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Too many of us have credit cards we cannot pay? Too many have cars we cannot afford to drive? Is government supposed to hold our hands and make sure we purchase wisely, and if we do not will Obama's government bail us out? Pay our credit card payments, and fill our cars with gas? How much will our taxes go up to provide free gas, and credit card payments? Laughable. Obama is laughable, as well as the liberal, socialistic ideals he espouses.
Cheetos Sandwich | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Wow, that speech was like I ate a cheetos sandwich, big in size, but not much substance!
I did not hear how he was going to reduce the size of Government, how he would let me be responsible for my decisions (good & bad), etc.
I have not made my mind up for who I am voting for:
Sen. Obama, Sen. McCain, Bob Barr, Ralph Nader.
To: DH | 8:38 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
All those people get eliminated during primaries, those that aren't Washington insiders already they get kicked to the curb.

All you that blame Bush for everything in the last 8 years think about a couple things. Democrats have been in control of both the House and Senate since 2007, so the fact that everything is Bush's fault. The fact that citizens can't be disciplined enough to buy houses that they can afford, that falls on Bush. Amazing.
Himself | 8:46 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Again to Anonymous, the flags. There was one right behind Obama as he spoke. Are Republicans now blind as well as deaf?
Re: sob | 8:06 a.m. | 8:55 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Did you just say you are weird? You are a Utahn and therefore must be part of the weirdness.
Eight is Enough! | 8:58 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Almost eight years of Bush/Cheney has ruined our country. McCain will give us four more years of the same.

If you missed Obama's speech last night, you really should listen to it on the net before you criticize Obama as being inexperienced or a celebrity. He explained exactly what he will accomplish if elected.

Obama's speech was inspiring and offered hope for the future of our country.
Comparisons | 9:00 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Obama's speech last night was perfect for the occassion. Beyond his passion, eloquence and intelligence, it was obvious that he is looking for a new, better way for Americans to relate to each other and mutually address the serious problems our nation faces.

The fact that so many people on these message boards can only parrot the same tired and baseless "the boogeyman is coming!" criticisms of Sen. Obama they hear from AM radio wingnuts is evidence of this state's dismal and dangerous groupthink.

Ask yourselves this - which style of political leadership is good for America right now? The GOP's "He's socialist!" position or Obama's "Where's the common ground on this issue?"

Grimble | 9:18 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Fantastic speech. If Pat Buchanan, of all people, had to be cut off in the commentary afterwards, because his praise of the speech was filling to much airtime. PAT BUCHANAN!

I'm convinced many of the people commenting here didn't really listen to the speech. Because the stadium was full of American flags and the speech was full of policy.

Those who say otherwise are telling us more about the dullness of their eyes and ears than of the content of Obama's speech.

What's more, the McCain camp's limp reaction to the speech was written AHEAD OF TIME. The McCain reaction was as barren of factual, substantive response as the commenters of the Obama-haters here.

You'd think people could just admit "Yeah, he's a good speaker, and very eloquent and charismatic, but I just disagree with the policies he laid out." But no, they turn red and get the shakes and say "Obama Hussein! 9/11! American Flag! Socialism! RUN FOR THE BUNKERS!"

It's pretty telling that the McCain camp's main criticism of Obama so far is that he's too popular.

Look Now | 9:30 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
The Repubs pick who as a V.P. choice? Palin? What is going on here? Talk about inexperience for a national office. Just where would we be if old man McDuff cashes out on us? I have never ever seen such a ridiculous choice. Now what do you pro Romney backers have to say?
Fred | 9:33 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
How can you tell when a Democratic politician, standing on an lavish, elaborate stage in a Denver stadium is lying?

His lying lips are moving.
wrz | 9:44 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
His elaborate, opulent, and obviously expensive production at the Denver stadium tells me what he will do with my tax dollars should he become president. No thanks!
re:after reading this thread | 8 | 9:48 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
You said "There is a clear difference between these two candidates, you just need to look. " When are you going to do just that? Character means a lot, especially when stakes are this high and to hear BHO say what he says and then have the friends that he has makes one think about the character. To hear Bill Clinton stand and say that he supports BHO and the BHO is the man for the job at this time is nauseating. Slick Willey is a pathalogical liar and will do anything for the buck and then will stab you in the back afterward. Don't stop and think that it won't happen. BHO is toast as far as Hilary and Bill are concerned. She will run again in 4 years after another Republican Admin. BHO's lack of judgment on religion, the mansion bought with dirty money, his blatant racism and all the other missteps will be his downfall. I understand your desire to have another Dem in the House but it won't happen this time around because the dems are too delirious after drinking the Kool-Aid to know any better.
Come together | 9:49 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I agree. Make sure you watch the speech first before criticizing it. Great speech full of details on policy, and defining differences between himself and McCain. There are things I don't agree with Obama on (aspects of his ideas on abortion and homsexuality) but he asks that we come to together with a common goal (e.g. reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies). And his ideas on dealing with economic issues are what we need. We need someone that will work across party lines and bring this nation together after a devisive 8 years with Bush. I voted for Bush last election largely because of those "big moral issues" but have since come to realize that there is so much more at stake and while I will still fight for my beliefs on those areas, there are other moral decisions that have to be made with equally important consequences (decisions on war, health care, the economy, social security, etc. that affect millions of lives). Please look into all of the issues in making your decision and don't rely on the fear and smear tactics that are so prevalent on both sides of the aisle.
To Re: Scott | 9:53 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I think that it is interesting that you would bring up Obama's house as a reason to not be able to relate to him considering the controversy surrounding McCain's houses (which I am pretty sick of hearing about, so please no comments)

I also think that your fear about providing health care for children is interesting. We provide Medicare for retired adults which is a huge burden because most money for heath care is for end of life treatment and they have much more complicated illnesses. Children have less severe and costly problems. But the economic impact of parents missing work for a child's sickness such as ear infections or strep throat that have easy and cheap treatments is a huge cost on our society. Many poor children are already covered by CHIP. It is the middle class kids that he is worrying about. Kids like mine. I am sure that there are some less affective programs in the government that could be cut so that more Americans (at least children) could receive health care.
In my opinion, there are more controversial issues such as the economy, foreign policy, and our energy situation to worry about.
fbear | 10:01 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
"Oh generation of vipers who strain at gnats and swallow camels."

How right Obama was when he said some of us make big elections about small things. But then small minds can't handle big topics.
How can he? | 10:38 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
How can Obama fix the politics as we now see when he creates a stage that is reminiscent of the acropolis and then he creates himself bigger than life? How can he fix the problems of the economy, even though we've had growth on a continuous basis, when he has to have help in buying his home from a convicted slum lord? How can he relate to the religious right when he sits himself in front of an incendiary racist preacher for twenty years, calls him his spiritual mentor, says that he is part of the family, and then dumps him because of political expediency? What do we believe? Do we believe his actions or do we believe his every changing words based on the current winds?
PHXCOP | 11:02 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I watched the intro video of Obama last night on the news. I will admit that I found the piece very captivating. I found myself thinking, "I could vote for this guy." I really believe Obama is an outstanding individual and I'm inspired by his life story.

But then I woke up and thought to myself, "why is this guy on the wrong side of just about every issue?"

I'll cast my vote for McCain.

On a side note...I almost puked when I read Al Gore's comments. What a loser.

Grimble | 11:17 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Dear "Come together" @ 9:49,

I just want to say that reading comments like yours gives me hope for the future of intelligent political discourse in Utah.

Thank you.
Every Cent? | 11:40 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Wow, what amazing promises! Does our sardonic press actually believe that he can do this? A Republican would be crucified for making such noble projections.

Obama captured my interest when he offered to account for every cent of what he intends to spend. Can this be done before election day? It could sway my vote.
Mike | 12:02 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
It never ceases to amaze me....I have never seen a state like Utah. I grew up in Southwest Wyoming..also a conservative state. The difference I see between Wyoming and Utah is quite simple. Even though Wyoming is a conservative state.... which unfortunately I think McCain will carry also..at least most of the people there recognize that Obama is the real deal. They may not agree with his politics, but most give him credit for being a great inspirational leader. Most Utah people just want to badmouth him. The attitude they display is exactly the attitude that's polarized this nation. They have no desire to work across party lines with a great American like Senator Obama and that attitude creates hard feelings on both sides leading to the partisan politics we see in Washington. Now I'm definately I democrat and quite honestly I didn't agree with the politics of Ronald Reagan, but I do recognize that he was a great leader that inspired people to follow him.
:-) | 12:18 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
We have a conservative who refused to see a flag. Conservatives believe Obama made five million being a socialist. They base his oratory skills on out takes edited on Faux News. I don't what to leave out the scared marine. He's a first.

Liberals never said Bush was the only one to blame for eight years a failure. You have those who enabled him: voters. You have a republican congress for all but a few months. You have those republicans who have obstructed the new congress. There are those who Bush appointed. "Great job Brownie!"

There are too many republican failures to count. Bush was in charge.

We got great news today. No matter the outcome in November we won't have Mitt.
Should have picked Hilary | 12:29 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Barack Hussein Obama II is an Empty Suite. Biden is a hatchet man with no class. McCain/Palin will beat them by more than 50 Electoral Votes.
sob | 12:43 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
to grimble and come together great posts
to mike, i told you, it was the genetic mix 100 yrs ago that close the mind portals of so many here.
Re: Togas For Purple 7:22 A.M. | 2:03 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
You want the government out of your face? OK, then I'm sure you won't mind delivering your own mail, fighting your own fires, paving and lighting your your own street, and patroling your own neighborhood. If your food and drinking water become contaminated, you'll just have to tough it out. If you and your loved ones are hit by a natural disaster, you're on your own. Oh, and you have to stop trying to force your religious beliefs into the law books (i.e. California's Prop. 8.)

Deal?
Capt. Smash | 2:24 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Togas for Purple: I like what you posted!
Quit linking Obama to high taxes | 3:20 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I am sick of people associating Obama with dangerous high taxes. listen to this speech and you will hear the truth. Most families will see tax cuts not hikes. Plus it is very easy these days for people to only look at the short run. We like to see cutting taxes as a solution to all our economic problems. Yes it is nice to pay less in taxes. But it is scary how many Americans do not see the flaws with blanket tax cuts. We are in the MOST debt of any country! Bushes clinging to the trickle down theory has lead him to put us in more debt than all the preceding presidents before us combined. With a growing divide between rich and poor cutting the amount of tax code loopholes and taxing the very wealthy makes sense. Yet every time some one goes after the obscenely wealthy someone cries foul spouting "small business" and "he is for higher taxes" and the truth is obscured with those words. What happened to fiscal conservatives? Now we are left with spend now worry about paying later.
Nobama is.... | 4:52 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008

a democrat. He will behave like a democrat. Hide your wallet.
Anon 808 | 5:32 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
In Obama the Dream is not honored, it is degarded and stolen. Obama is not anybody, not JFK, not MLK, not anyone. Just himself which is not very much, substance. Never enough to be President.
Tired of Utah Republicans | 6:03 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
For some of you republicans in Utah... Please start making more intelligent arguments. It's embarrassing how many people are attacking the character of democratic politicians aka Obama, Clinton and Gore, but do not have the competence to attack any of their policies. Would you rather have a president who makes one moral mistake or sends our country into war against a country that did nothing to provoke that war, killin thousands of our soldiers along the way? Some conservatives do have the ability to argue intelligently, thank you. But you should tell all of your gun toting, religion loving, un-informed counterparts to start doing their research, because they are making you look bad.
Marie Devine | 6:32 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
There is no real change in Obama�s speech.

Isaiah 2:4 says "They shall beat their swords into plowshares... and learn war no more."

Rebuilding the military, building alliances to fight other people's wars, enticing more people to enlist and prepare for war, and giving better benefits is not change. If we turned from our employment lifestyle that causes stress, pollution, disease, accidents, afflictions, wars and conflicts, we would not need universal health care, social services like welfare and pre-kindergarten child care. The families would be at home.

Alliances would not be need if we turned from our lifestyle of building military weapons, manufacturing, processing, and transporting food, goods, and people around the world to creating a garden paradise that supplies our needs in our communities. God's plan is ours when we release our polluting, bondage and stress producing lifestyle behind.

Barack Obama would be a charismatic leader who would make us prosper like Bill Clinton did; but we would still be working away from families, buying insurance, dealing with daily stress of child care, college tuition, sons in military, conflicts over abortion, homo-sexual marriages, and religion. Other candidates are the same. Another leader can arise if we want one.
David | 7:10 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Why should I pay higher Obama-driven taxes because I worked to get a college education, worked to get a graduate degree, and worked to successfully run my own business? For some reason, Obama wants to punish me for being driven while those unwilling to put forth the effort and sacrifice I made, sponge off what should be my earnings. The government should not act as babysitter to adults and I should not have to open my wallet to those that did not plan for their own futures instead expecting the government to bail them out.
I just woke up | 11:54 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008
I just woke up, but heard the same speech George Mcgovern made back in 72, when I went to sleep the last time. Dreaming is better see you in another 36 years for more of the same.
He Frightens Me | 3:35 p.m. Aug. 30, 2008
For the past 8 years under Bush�s watch, we have not experienced another terrorist attack. My greatest fear if Obama is elected president is that it will happen again because the terrorists know that Obama is going to be a push over. He will not react to them as Bush has done.

What will the Obama supporters tell the county if another attack does take place? You will have an anti-war administration in power and that could prove deadly to the United States. When serious world crisis erupts, will Obama be up to the task or will he be huddling clueless under the White House desk? My guess is it will be the latter. Obama supporters will sell us out to our enemies so they can avoid conflict with them; Peace at any cost.

I don�t want to vote for McCain but the alternative is even more frightening.
Re: Marie Devine | 2:23 p.m. Sept. 1, 2008
Most people will pass over her post and mumble something about weordos or wackos, but this gal makes a VERY good point. How much of our economic woe and social ill is driven by our hectic, gotta-make-that-money-and-pay-all-those-bills lifestyle? Most of our communities are turning into extended strip malls and rabbit-hutch condos, and we expect to raise healthy, well-rounded children (and adults) in this type of environment? WE WORSHIP THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR AND CONVENIENCE. That, fellow Americans, is our one true problem. We start doing more meaningful work (producing affordable and healthy food, housing, etc.) and doing it with less work hours (six hour work days. everyone home and happy with family or significant others by five.) and place less emphasis and utterly wasted energy on trying to one-up everyone around us in status and toys, and we will see the America we all dream about or pine for. All of us really only want to be content and safe, but it seems harder to come by every year. Someone is keeping us on our knees, and I'm starting to think it is actually US!

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