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Pete | 7:15 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
There are striking similarities to the way Muhammad received the Al-Quran and
Joseph Smith received the Book of Mormon. Perhaps too many similarities. An
angle delivers the message, continues through out his life to reveal new
information, etc., etc. Makes one wonder.
Ernest T. Bass | 7:22 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
What would happen if someone read the Koran, prayed about it and had a
spiritual/emotional feeling that it's true?
I think it's happened, there are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. LDS will never catch that number of members.
I think it's happened, there are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. LDS will never catch that number of members.
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Joshuathebadbear | 8:01 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
quit yer whinin ernie ! Someday you'll have something significant happen in
your life.
Ken Baguley | 8:26 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I'm not so concerned about the Koran and it's message...I'm
concerned about what we see and hear of the terrorism that members of the Muslim
Faith are doing in the name of Allah. It conjures up the scripture, "By
their fruits shall ye know them". This really should be the factor for
measurement. I hope those in the rest of Islam are doing something to thwart
the terrorist's misled activity.
Cosmo | 8:37 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
There is nothing new here. One could draw comparisons with almost any
religion.
And none of it has any value, and is a waste
of time.
And none of it has any value, and is a waste
of time.
Frank | 9:03 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Islam is the true church.
Turnabout is Fair Play | 9:16 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I'd be interested in seeing what an Islamic scholar makes of the BoM.
Illuminated | 9:15 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
The difference between Muhammad and Joseph Smith is that Joseph Smith has some
physical evidence that what he said happened, really happened.
The Qur'an is a book written by Muhammad as a book of "guidance". It would be more comparable to the LDS Doctrine & Covenants than the Book of Mormon. Although Muhammad claims he visited with heavenly beings, he had no evidence to support that claim.
The Book of Mormon is far more remarkable because it was claimed to have been written by ancient prophets on gold plates and translated by a 19th century farm boy. There were many witnesses and there are many other evidences that the BoM is exactly what Smith claimed it to be.
The Qur'an is a book written by Muhammad as a book of "guidance". It would be more comparable to the LDS Doctrine & Covenants than the Book of Mormon. Although Muhammad claims he visited with heavenly beings, he had no evidence to support that claim.
The Book of Mormon is far more remarkable because it was claimed to have been written by ancient prophets on gold plates and translated by a 19th century farm boy. There were many witnesses and there are many other evidences that the BoM is exactly what Smith claimed it to be.
The Bible | 9:21 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I really enjoy reading the Bible, it's more fun than eating ice cream. I
prefer the common Greek text,but I worship Christos.
Ernest T. Bass | 9:32 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Joshwhateveryouare: How is a simple observation considered whining?
Spiritual experience = emotional experience.
Islam has many more converts than Mormonism and Muslims don't have full time missionaries. Makes you wonder.
Both the Koran AND the Book of Mormon can make people better by reading and living by their precepts.
Sad thing is I've heard a few fellow Mormons say that the US needs to nuke the middle east.
"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Indeed!
Spiritual experience = emotional experience.
Islam has many more converts than Mormonism and Muslims don't have full time missionaries. Makes you wonder.
Both the Koran AND the Book of Mormon can make people better by reading and living by their precepts.
Sad thing is I've heard a few fellow Mormons say that the US needs to nuke the middle east.
"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Indeed!
Jake | 9:31 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Interesting article, but it left my wondering. Is Muhammed a prophet of God the
same as Joseph Smith and is the Quran the word of God the same as the BOM and D
and C. That was the conclusion I got from the article. The one thing that seems
strange to me is the implied notion that God has nationality: the Quran for the
middle east, the OT for Isreal, BOM for america, etc. Why is God not universal
to planet earth if it is His creation and all men are his children.
David Farnsworth | 9:36 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Wow Cosmo, that is remarkably dismissive.
Care to elaborate on why Dr. Peterson's discussion of Muhammed has no value and is a waste of time?
Since all religions on the planet are originally derived from some spiritual experience with God, it should certainly be easy to "draw comparisons with almost any religion".
But sometimes this truism needs to be pointed out, since many of us are too parochial to notice.
Care to elaborate on why Dr. Peterson's discussion of Muhammed has no value and is a waste of time?
Since all religions on the planet are originally derived from some spiritual experience with God, it should certainly be easy to "draw comparisons with almost any religion".
But sometimes this truism needs to be pointed out, since many of us are too parochial to notice.
Pat | 9:42 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Just amazing how these coments reveal the UN-Christianity of some American
citizens. Discussing a Christ-free (Savior-part!) religeon and having NOTHING to
say abt what CHRIST taught! IF one is a Christian, one BELIEVES what Christ
TAUGHT..... Like HE is the tuth, the light and the WAY and ONLY by HIM are we
saved. If you do not believe that, you are not a Christian! If you DO believe
that, you recognize the muslum religeon for what it IS: A FALSE RELIGEON &
unworthy of our serious consideration and study!
Warren Pugh | 9:58 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Time to attack the chap who authored a book comparing things in common between
Mormonism and Islam. Tragic mistake. You write about the 7th century, but have
you ever considered that less than a century later in 732AD Charles Martel
crushed the Moors at Tours? Significance? You'd be on your knees five times
a day if Charlmagne's uncle had not been successful.
WASP
WASP
Chris PLummer | 9:58 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
RE: Illuminated..."The difference between Muhammad and Joseph Smith is that
Joseph Smith has some physical evidence that what he said happened, really
happened."
So where is this physical evidence you speak of. Were you actually referring to the Gold Plates? Which no one alive has ever seen?
So where is this physical evidence you speak of. Were you actually referring to the Gold Plates? Which no one alive has ever seen?
re Jake | 9:31 a.m. | 10:18 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Why does God reveal things specifically to different nations that are different?
Probably why God reveals things people in different periods of time that are
different, i.e. Old vs New Testament.
People are different, they are at different levels in their spiritual maturity, cultures are different.
Should it be surprising that God reserves the right to taylor messages?
Do you treat all your kids the same? Give them the same set of rules, the same advice?
That's the best I am able to answer your question. My answer makes sense to me, if it does to you great, if not then ... what can I say?
People are different, they are at different levels in their spiritual maturity, cultures are different.
Should it be surprising that God reserves the right to taylor messages?
Do you treat all your kids the same? Give them the same set of rules, the same advice?
That's the best I am able to answer your question. My answer makes sense to me, if it does to you great, if not then ... what can I say?
anon | 10:23 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
so much for building on principles and beliefs for the benefit of mankind.
to warren pugh | 10:48 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
How right you are! Mohammed's "missionaries" converted by the
sword. Mohammed and his followers were conquerors. That's a far cry from
missionaries for the LDS Church.
Cats | 10:49 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Dr. Peterson is a wonderful man and a true scholar. He has many insights that
are very worthy of consideration.
I believe that God loves all his children and, as a loving Father, he has communicated with his children in different nations both anciently and, up to and including, our day. That does not mean that all communications have lead to TRUE AUTHORITY being given to all of these individuals or groups. But, many true principles have been given through inspiration which God's children all need in order to conduct their lives.
I have a strong testimony of Jesus Christ, as the the Son of God and the Saviour of the world, Joseph Smith, as the prophet of the Restoration and the Book of Mormon, as a TRUE work of scripture revealed by God. I received this testimony through an undeniable witness from the Holy Ghost.
However, at the time Muhammed lived, Christianity had become very corrupt and was in a terrible state of apostasy--especially in the Middle East. I see no conflict with the notion that God has given inspiration to good men throughout time for the benefit of His children. Muhammed may well be one of those men.
I believe that God loves all his children and, as a loving Father, he has communicated with his children in different nations both anciently and, up to and including, our day. That does not mean that all communications have lead to TRUE AUTHORITY being given to all of these individuals or groups. But, many true principles have been given through inspiration which God's children all need in order to conduct their lives.
I have a strong testimony of Jesus Christ, as the the Son of God and the Saviour of the world, Joseph Smith, as the prophet of the Restoration and the Book of Mormon, as a TRUE work of scripture revealed by God. I received this testimony through an undeniable witness from the Holy Ghost.
However, at the time Muhammed lived, Christianity had become very corrupt and was in a terrible state of apostasy--especially in the Middle East. I see no conflict with the notion that God has given inspiration to good men throughout time for the benefit of His children. Muhammed may well be one of those men.
re Pat | 9:42 a.m. | 10:53 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Doesn't the New Testament say, Christ is the "Way the Truth and the
Life"?
If a religion teaches truth, then this is Christ. If a religion teaches the way this is Christ, If a religion teaches actions condusive to life, this is Christ.
Christ is many things, A person who live 2000 years ago, "the word", the "way the truth and the life".
Don't suppose that just because a religion doesn't teach just one version or aspect of Christ, that the religion isn't teaching Christ.
If a religion teaches truth, then this is Christ. If a religion teaches the way this is Christ, If a religion teaches actions condusive to life, this is Christ.
Christ is many things, A person who live 2000 years ago, "the word", the "way the truth and the life".
Don't suppose that just because a religion doesn't teach just one version or aspect of Christ, that the religion isn't teaching Christ.
Illuminated | 10:54 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Chris Plummer:
"
So where is this physical evidence you speak of. Were you actually referring to the Gold Plates? Which no one alive has ever seen?"
At least 11 other people claimed to have seen the gold plates. Your denying 11 witnesses doesn't change that fact.
By your argument, the Bible is false as well since "no one alive has seen them".
"
So where is this physical evidence you speak of. Were you actually referring to the Gold Plates? Which no one alive has ever seen?"
At least 11 other people claimed to have seen the gold plates. Your denying 11 witnesses doesn't change that fact.
By your argument, the Bible is false as well since "no one alive has seen them".
To Chris P: | 11:03 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Those who claimed to witness the plates were asked to see the plates "with
their spiritual eyes" and never really saw them with physical eyes.
The reality is, nobody actually saw the plates. Even during translation, the plates weren't in the same room. A rock in a hat was the proven method.
The reality is, nobody actually saw the plates. Even during translation, the plates weren't in the same room. A rock in a hat was the proven method.
Re: Ernest T. Bass | 11:02 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
"Islam has many more converts than Mormonism and Muslims don't have
full time missionaries. Makes you wonder."
Yep, makes me wonder how many Mormons there will be 1200 years from now, when the Church has been around as long as Islam has been now.
Yep, makes me wonder how many Mormons there will be 1200 years from now, when the Church has been around as long as Islam has been now.
An apostle just like Peter | 11:03 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Chris PLummer,
"So where is this physical evidence you speak of. Were you actually referring to the Gold Plates? Which no one alive has ever seen?"
The testimony of those who saw the gold plates are evidence and would hold up in a court of law in a criminal trial. They say they saw the gold plates.
Could they have been liars? Yes! Could Joseph Smith have been a liar? Yes! A liar who would die for his lie is either a fool or insane.
Now if he's insane and didn't obtain the plates that would also likely mean that the witnesses were also insane or using Joseph Smith's insanity to their advantage but at some point they would have ceased to gain any real advantage from not denying seeing the plates.
After Joseph and Hyrum Smith were killed it would make sense for liars to deny seeing the plates. Why risk being killed yourself?
Joseph Smith was imprisoned, tarred and feathered, beaten, saw his child die from becoming ill as a result of a mob storming into his home. Why not just say you lied or made it up? The answer is obvious because he was an Apostle!
"So where is this physical evidence you speak of. Were you actually referring to the Gold Plates? Which no one alive has ever seen?"
The testimony of those who saw the gold plates are evidence and would hold up in a court of law in a criminal trial. They say they saw the gold plates.
Could they have been liars? Yes! Could Joseph Smith have been a liar? Yes! A liar who would die for his lie is either a fool or insane.
Now if he's insane and didn't obtain the plates that would also likely mean that the witnesses were also insane or using Joseph Smith's insanity to their advantage but at some point they would have ceased to gain any real advantage from not denying seeing the plates.
After Joseph and Hyrum Smith were killed it would make sense for liars to deny seeing the plates. Why risk being killed yourself?
Joseph Smith was imprisoned, tarred and feathered, beaten, saw his child die from becoming ill as a result of a mob storming into his home. Why not just say you lied or made it up? The answer is obvious because he was an Apostle!
Cats | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
To Chris Plummer: Illuminated may have been a little indiscreet about the way
he/she expressed the view that there is physical evidence of the Book of Mormon,
but the fact is MANY people did see the Gold Plates. A number of these people
signed affidavits to that effect. Some of these people actually left the
Church, BUT NEVER DENIED THEIR TESTIMONIES OR THEIR WITNESS OF THE BOOK OF
MORMON AND GOLD PLATES TO THEIR DYING DAY.
David Whitmer, who was Mayor of Richmond, Mo, and a very respect man, even printed a newspaper ad to refute stories that were circulating that he had recanted his story. This was all after he left the Church. In addition, he insisted on putting his testimony on his headstone. I have seen this headstone and it proclaims the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
Martin Harris raised his arm to the square on his deathbed to proclaim his testimony of the Gold Plates. He insisted that he saw them and the angel as surely as "you see my hand in front of your face."
Space does not permit more, but many witnesses to the Gold Plates proclaimed their testimonies until their DYING DAY.
David Whitmer, who was Mayor of Richmond, Mo, and a very respect man, even printed a newspaper ad to refute stories that were circulating that he had recanted his story. This was all after he left the Church. In addition, he insisted on putting his testimony on his headstone. I have seen this headstone and it proclaims the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
Martin Harris raised his arm to the square on his deathbed to proclaim his testimony of the Gold Plates. He insisted that he saw them and the angel as surely as "you see my hand in front of your face."
Space does not permit more, but many witnesses to the Gold Plates proclaimed their testimonies until their DYING DAY.
No difference | 11:08 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I get scared of ANY religious zealot who uses their religious text to justify
their actions. And they are in EVERY religion so you can all stop finger
pointing.
God works through individuals | 11:16 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Jake,
"Interesting article, but it left my wondering. Is Muhammed a prophet of God the same as Joseph Smith and is the Quran the word of God the same as the BOM and D and C."
Muhammad was a prophet in the sense that God chose to reveal his word to him to help bring the people of his time and region closer to the truth and to combat the influence of apostate Christianity.
"That was the conclusion I got from the article. The one thing that seems strange to me is the implied notion that God has nationality: the Quran for the middle east, the OT for Isreal, BOM for america, etc."
That's exactly what God has done. He loves all of his children including Muslims in the Middle East, Jews in Israel and the Native Americans in America. He's revealed line up line and precept upon precept eternal truths.
"Why is God not universal to planet earth if it is His creation and all men are his children."
Because not all of us have the same level of maturity, knowledge, or experience and some need more or less of his help to understand his nature and gospel.
"Interesting article, but it left my wondering. Is Muhammed a prophet of God the same as Joseph Smith and is the Quran the word of God the same as the BOM and D and C."
Muhammad was a prophet in the sense that God chose to reveal his word to him to help bring the people of his time and region closer to the truth and to combat the influence of apostate Christianity.
"That was the conclusion I got from the article. The one thing that seems strange to me is the implied notion that God has nationality: the Quran for the middle east, the OT for Isreal, BOM for america, etc."
That's exactly what God has done. He loves all of his children including Muslims in the Middle East, Jews in Israel and the Native Americans in America. He's revealed line up line and precept upon precept eternal truths.
"Why is God not universal to planet earth if it is His creation and all men are his children."
Because not all of us have the same level of maturity, knowledge, or experience and some need more or less of his help to understand his nature and gospel.
Taxi Cab | 11:41 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Another difference is, although Mormons do not believe in drinking alcoholic
beverages, the same as Muslims, Mormon taxi cab drivers will still take you to
your destination if you have alcohol in your luggage. This is an important
difference.
Bob | 11:52 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I think one major difference between the way revelation was received by the 2
prophets should be pointed out. When Joseph Smith received revelation, he
usually had to go out and ask for it first. He also made some mistakes along
the way. In this way, I believe God was patient with him and respected his free
agency. Mohammed, on the other hand, was reportedly forced to
"transcribe" the words of God. Like a tool, God used Mohammed whether
he was willing or not. The word "Islam" means just that --
submission.
An important LDS doctrine regarding Satan's "plan" and Jesus's "plan" specifically contrasts "freedom to act" with "being forced to act." In the mormon faith, we emphasize the "freedom" plan.
An important LDS doctrine regarding Satan's "plan" and Jesus's "plan" specifically contrasts "freedom to act" with "being forced to act." In the mormon faith, we emphasize the "freedom" plan.
John Reynolds | 12:08 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
The religion of peace they say.
Within are commandments to kill the infidel, all those who do not accept Islam !?
Also, literally all of the wars and contentions in the world involve them.
What does that tell us ?!
Satan is their God.
Within are commandments to kill the infidel, all those who do not accept Islam !?
Also, literally all of the wars and contentions in the world involve them.
What does that tell us ?!
Satan is their God.
Anonymous | 12:09 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
WWJD?
Abdullah Singh | 12:34 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
To the man questioning what a follower of Islam would make of the BoM .. I am
Islamic and I read the first few pages, shook my head in disbelief and
eventually made a door stop out of my BoM .. it works like a charm .. Praise
Allah
Matt | 12:32 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
With any luck, he's thinking of converting over!
Greg | 12:37 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
If you read the Koran you will find that it strips Christ of his deity. The
Muslim religion acknowledges Jesus but not as the Christ...they hold him equal
to other prophets (Moses, Abraham). From my readings the Koran I find no
reference to the concept of a Redeemer or Savior. Christians were once the
predominant religion in the Middle East at least until the advent of Islam, when
Islam was imposed by the sword. We owe a great debt of gratitude to those who
stopped Islam from overpowering Europe by conquest during the Middle Ages.
During my time in Iraq I learned from Iraqis that I worked with that many Muslim
women would like to become Christian but cannot as they will likely be killed
for converting to Christianity. Free thinking for those of the Islamic religion
especially in the Middle East is a perilous exercise. Christ taught "know
the truth and it will set you free". The Muslims claim Jesus as one of
their prophets, but the Koran strips him of his divinity, for me I see this as
the major stumbling block of Islam.
Religious History PhD | 12:39 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
No offense, but all of those making "rational" comparissons of Islam
to Mormonism are fooling themselves. The theology innate to the Quran can be
paralleled to the Old Testament, but to little in Mormonism. This seems to be
another case of appeasing Islam for the sake of pluralistic idealism instead of
factioning out the stark divergence of doctrinal peace Mormon doctrine holds
with the diverse methods of justification and opposition found in Islam. The
world is not as peaceful and loveable and comparable (Geertz for you) as most in
academia would like the public to believe. Still, Progressive Islam, most
notably in most Western cultures and in Turkey, may hold some varities of
experience that distinguish it from the harsh textual tradition that is found in
the Quran.
I sincerely hope this Professor acknowledges that the majority of Islam is not the political peaceable group individuals such as George Bush attempted to convey to us.
Assalam Alaikum
I sincerely hope this Professor acknowledges that the majority of Islam is not the political peaceable group individuals such as George Bush attempted to convey to us.
Assalam Alaikum
wrz | 12:47 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Jake | 9:31 a.m.: "Why is God not universal to planet earth if it is His
creation and all men are his children."
Good question, Jake. One would think that, if God were the least bit interested he would come down and straighten things out. Now rather than later.
Good question, Jake. One would think that, if God were the least bit interested he would come down and straighten things out. Now rather than later.
Phil | 12:50 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
This article is a great example of how the LDS members are encouraged to have
respect for and try to understand the adherents of every religion and belief
system, and is a good example for others to follow. This is the sort of thing
that will help bring the world together and clear up misunderstandings and
prejudices, at least among the people who choose to and want to do so. Those who
don't want to, such as terrorists and others who want to stir up trouble,
will then become the pariahs they deserve to be. One doesn't have to agree
with everything another religion or belief system believes, but it is important
to try to understand where they are coming from, and to focus on the positive
and not just the negative. This should be true for all religions or belief
systems which advocate love and respect and understanding for all mankind, not
just for those who agree with you.
Illuminated | 1:12 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Paul claims he saw Christ with his spiritual eyes:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out
of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an
one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew
such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the
body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) (2 Cor. 12:2-
3.)"
If he was not in his body, that means that he used his spirit, so it's obvious that he had to use his spiritual eyes. (Note the reference to the "third heaven. The degrees of heaven were known to ancient Saints as well.)
David Whitmer explains how it happened:
"Of course we were in the spirit when we had the
view, for no man can behold the face of an angel,
except in a spiritual view, but we were in the body
also, and everything was as natural to us, as it is at any time".
To call Martin Harris a fraud, is to call St. Paul a fraud as well. Furthermore, Martin Harris claims to have held the plates on his knee for an hour.
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out
of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an
one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew
such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the
body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) (2 Cor. 12:2-
3.)"
If he was not in his body, that means that he used his spirit, so it's obvious that he had to use his spiritual eyes. (Note the reference to the "third heaven. The degrees of heaven were known to ancient Saints as well.)
David Whitmer explains how it happened:
"Of course we were in the spirit when we had the
view, for no man can behold the face of an angel,
except in a spiritual view, but we were in the body
also, and everything was as natural to us, as it is at any time".
To call Martin Harris a fraud, is to call St. Paul a fraud as well. Furthermore, Martin Harris claims to have held the plates on his knee for an hour.
kathyn | 1:25 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Phil, that's a good point. We LDS need to look for the good in all people.
Most muslims are good people. They love their families and are decent, loving
people. That's not to say that there aren't militant Wahhabs who want
to kill everyone who doesn't believe as they do. From my viewpoint,
Muhammed wasn't a true prophet. I don't doubt that he had visions,
but I really wonder about the source. Nevertheless, as Joseph Smith taught, we
believe all people have a right to worship what, who and how they may.
It's only when it infringes on my religious rights that I take exception.
Chris Plummer | 1:28 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
To all those who responded to my question to illuminated, there is no Physical
evidence for the book of mormon. There is anecdotal evidence. And "To
Chris P" at 11:03 a.m. has a interesting view... which can actually be
verified in writing.
Tina | 1:44 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Does anybody know how many prophets are running around out there?
Nils | 2:10 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
This reminded me of a story. As a Mormon missionary in Russia, I inadvertently
became a double agent for Islam. After having a wonderful visit and spiritual
conversation with some Muslim leaders at a Uzbek mosque, I determined to read
the Koran to enhance my own religious understanding.
Soon thereafter, a drunk man ended up in my apartment. He wasn't dangerous, but he needed to leave, and I was having a hard time convincing him. He wanted to be taught about religion, but he certainly wasn't in any shape for that. He spotted my Koran, and expressed interest in learning about Islam. He asked to borrow the book. Wanting him to leave, I agreed, and he promised to return the book later in the week. Needless to say, I never it again, and in doing so perhaps became the first Mormon/Muslim missionary.
I have dozens of Muslim friends who are wonderful people who want nothing but peace in this world. If we judge them by our interpretation of their ancient texts, or by small extremists groups within their religion, we are doing Islam a great disservice. After all, don't many do the same to Mormons?
Soon thereafter, a drunk man ended up in my apartment. He wasn't dangerous, but he needed to leave, and I was having a hard time convincing him. He wanted to be taught about religion, but he certainly wasn't in any shape for that. He spotted my Koran, and expressed interest in learning about Islam. He asked to borrow the book. Wanting him to leave, I agreed, and he promised to return the book later in the week. Needless to say, I never it again, and in doing so perhaps became the first Mormon/Muslim missionary.
I have dozens of Muslim friends who are wonderful people who want nothing but peace in this world. If we judge them by our interpretation of their ancient texts, or by small extremists groups within their religion, we are doing Islam a great disservice. After all, don't many do the same to Mormons?
John | 2:17 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Arguing about religion on the internet is like running in the special Olympics.
Illuminated | 2:40 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
In a court of law, you can get convicted on having enough witnesses without any
evidence at all.
However, there is plenty of physical evidence you just choose to ignore them. Here is a tiny list:
# Bountiful and Nahom
# The Valley of Lemuel
# Writing on Metal Plates
# The Buried Plates
# Eurasians and Native Americans Genes
# The Use of Cement in Ancient America
# Chiasmus
# Olive Culture
# Mesoamerican Fortifications
# Hebraic Language Structures
# Names in the Book of Mormon
# Volcanism
# Gardens, Towers, and Multiple Markets
# Mesoamerican Temples
# Weights as BoM currency
It's like if a prosecutor brought in a bloody knife found at the scene of a stabbing crime and you claimed it was completely unrelated.
Just because you deny it is evidence is your own opinion. The above list are verified facts from neutral science.
However, there is plenty of physical evidence you just choose to ignore them. Here is a tiny list:
# Bountiful and Nahom
# The Valley of Lemuel
# Writing on Metal Plates
# The Buried Plates
# Eurasians and Native Americans Genes
# The Use of Cement in Ancient America
# Chiasmus
# Olive Culture
# Mesoamerican Fortifications
# Hebraic Language Structures
# Names in the Book of Mormon
# Volcanism
# Gardens, Towers, and Multiple Markets
# Mesoamerican Temples
# Weights as BoM currency
It's like if a prosecutor brought in a bloody knife found at the scene of a stabbing crime and you claimed it was completely unrelated.
Just because you deny it is evidence is your own opinion. The above list are verified facts from neutral science.
Mark | 3:19 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
The Book of Mormon and the Quran. Neither are allowed in my home. Enough said
Granite Farmer | 3:25 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Verified facts from neutral science?
I would love to know the names of the neutral scientists.
How about Woody Allen, Walt Disney, and Elmer Fudd?
Am I close?
I would love to know the names of the neutral scientists.
How about Woody Allen, Walt Disney, and Elmer Fudd?
Am I close?
Henry Drummond | 3:51 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I don't know if the presenter mentioned it, but what is also interesting is
that Islam does in fact believe in many of the same things as Christianity and
Judaism including the prophet Abraham. They also believe that Jesus and the
Apostles were great teachers. They believe that the New Testament as originally
given was inspired but that it has been corrupted. Incidentally I believe
orthodox Jews also believe that there is something irreplaceable about reading
the Old Testament in Hebrew just as Muslim's believe reading the Koran in
Arabic is essential.
I have read the Koran but never thought of it being like the Doctrine and Covenants or the Book of Mormon. Some of it seems closer to Gnostic scriptures actually.
Interesting article!
I have read the Koran but never thought of it being like the Doctrine and Covenants or the Book of Mormon. Some of it seems closer to Gnostic scriptures actually.
Interesting article!
Theo so fist | 4:00 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
All religions hold an esoteric truth and an exoteric corruption!
Illuminated | 4:01 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Granite Farmer:
"How about Woody Allen, Walt Disney, and Elmer Fudd?
Am I close?"
Um, you believe those guys are real scientists? I knew anti-mormons were not very smart, but wow...just wow!
"How about Woody Allen, Walt Disney, and Elmer Fudd?
Am I close?"
Um, you believe those guys are real scientists? I knew anti-mormons were not very smart, but wow...just wow!
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