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Anon 808 | 4:11 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
What part of "Approved" do people not get. Approved means the
Management will snitch out anyone violating the BYU Morals Code. The Y's
are very expensive private Colleges that have a long waiting list of people
trying to get their kids, of either gender in. Thus the School and rightly so
has the high ground. UH is the same way, Island Wide Housing Shortage and they
can do what they want and choose to do nothing much. Although they did open a
new 750 person Dorm. Mixed Gender of course. Private Schools unlike State Run
Schools can do what they want. BYUH Housing Rules where Tested in Hawaiian
Liberal Courts and found to be solid. One man in Honolulu bought an apartment
complex and evicted everyone UH student included, and more or less recast it as
a mixed gender College Dorm. UH has a fine LDS Institute by the way. Institutes
act as Social Filters. The Students who go to the Y's agree to the Rules. I
suspect that there are pockets where much goes own. However not much being the
Report and Confess factor are so high. Education should be the main thing when
you go to College.
Ronald A. Young | 4:31 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
When a Student signs the BYU or and other Y's Moral Code. They agree to
abide by the Rules. Approved Housing is one of them. Most of The Parents and
some of the Students want the Structure that the Y's provide, plus the fine
education. As a Parent who has two College Freshmen (neither going to a Y), if I
am paying for it Mom and I have the High Ground. I believe in the College Social
Experience. Which is why I do not think much of Online Education. Except for
certain things. Even in College some courses can be taken on Computer. I have No
Issue with that as long as you can prove who did the work. Point here, the
Students agree to give up certain Freedoms Of Choice. Some courses at BYU are
thought in the Temple and you have to have a TR in order to attend. The Y's
are Private Colleges and can do things their own way. They also have long
waiting lists. Are more or less Safe for your Daughters and Sons. I have read
the BYU Morals Code by the way. It is online on the Schools Web Site.
interesting | 6:22 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
I blame the university. The cougar-ettes have ridiculous rules, the least the
university could do is provide a better contract so people aren't homeless.
Go sit inside the presidents office - all of you - and he will make changes.
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steve | 7:43 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Hey cougars, ever hear of a hotel?
TO Gear S | 7:58 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Please. Be serious.
Madison | 8:06 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
The only reason why your son had to pay for a full year contract was because he
wanted to live in one of the "cool" and "social" apartment
complexes like Liberty Square. There are many other nice, clean, and close
apartment complexes that do not require a year contract.
There are also many nice apartment complexes that let you move in much earlier. I know because I lived in one for three years. And yes, when you have one cleaning crew or one maintenance crew it might just take 7-12 days to clean, repair 100-200 units.
There are many options out there for housing, however many students don't think those options are "good enough for them". Because of that I really don't feel like a lot of their whining is justified.
And parents should be informed that other options are available than year-round contracts and moving in on September 29.
There are also many nice apartment complexes that let you move in much earlier. I know because I lived in one for three years. And yes, when you have one cleaning crew or one maintenance crew it might just take 7-12 days to clean, repair 100-200 units.
There are many options out there for housing, however many students don't think those options are "good enough for them". Because of that I really don't feel like a lot of their whining is justified.
And parents should be informed that other options are available than year-round contracts and moving in on September 29.
Madison | 8:06 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Oops. August 29th.
No deposit, No return | 8:39 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Gap Victims are subject to many landlords refusing contract renewals. You
cannot stay more than 1 year, so you aren't being 'gapped' by
them. Then landlords are able to collect (and probably keep) deposits from new
students on year-long contracts.
If you're not a Gap Victim, you are probably paying 4 months of unused rent.
If you're not a Gap Victim, you are probably paying 4 months of unused rent.
Think about it | 8:48 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
This is called REAL LIFE.
When you aren't at BYU, these sorts of gaps happen all the time when you move from one apartment to another. There will be a gap where you have to be out of your apartment, but can't move in to the next one for a period of time. This is not a giant conspiracy to soak the students. This happens all the time.
The move-in time is in the lease agreement you sign at the beginning of the year. If you don't like the lease, then don't sign it. To demand that BYU fixes the problem ignores the ability for the free marketplace to fix it. If students stop signing leases that have a gap, then landlords will stop writing them in.
Students, as a consumer, you have much more power than you give yourself credit for...
When you aren't at BYU, these sorts of gaps happen all the time when you move from one apartment to another. There will be a gap where you have to be out of your apartment, but can't move in to the next one for a period of time. This is not a giant conspiracy to soak the students. This happens all the time.
The move-in time is in the lease agreement you sign at the beginning of the year. If you don't like the lease, then don't sign it. To demand that BYU fixes the problem ignores the ability for the free marketplace to fix it. If students stop signing leases that have a gap, then landlords will stop writing them in.
Students, as a consumer, you have much more power than you give yourself credit for...
What? | 8:57 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
This should be an article in the BYU newspaper, not the desnews.
Why? | 9:19 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Why is BYU in the off-campus housing business to begin with? To me, it seems
that their meddling in off-campus housing restricts the market's ability to
do what it does best--let bright people find solutions to problems and profit
thereby. Anytime anti-competitive restrictions are placed (in any degree), you
will inevitably see service degrade and price increase.
BYU Housing should run the on-campus dorms, and then get out of the off-campus and let the Provo/Orem student housing market govern itself. If this presents problems for the morality of the students, then perhaps BYU needs to take to heart Joseph Smith's words: �I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves� (�The Organization of the Church,� Millennial Star, Nov. 15, 1851,339).
It appears that BYU's obsessive need to restrict free-market housing arrangements is a statement that they lack faith either in their ability to teach correct principles, or in their students' ability to live those principles.
BYU Housing should run the on-campus dorms, and then get out of the off-campus and let the Provo/Orem student housing market govern itself. If this presents problems for the morality of the students, then perhaps BYU needs to take to heart Joseph Smith's words: �I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves� (�The Organization of the Church,� Millennial Star, Nov. 15, 1851,339).
It appears that BYU's obsessive need to restrict free-market housing arrangements is a statement that they lack faith either in their ability to teach correct principles, or in their students' ability to live those principles.
to "Why?" | 10:40 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
I 100% agree! Excellent comments!
By the way, does anyone have a comprehensive explanation as to why BYU insists on interfering with the housing market?
How did this interference begin?
How did they justify it?
Has BYU published any literature (e.g., a pamphlet or something) which explains their justification?
Please, I am hoping for intelligent, thorough, non-sarcastic responses.
By the way, does anyone have a comprehensive explanation as to why BYU insists on interfering with the housing market?
How did this interference begin?
How did they justify it?
Has BYU published any literature (e.g., a pamphlet or something) which explains their justification?
Please, I am hoping for intelligent, thorough, non-sarcastic responses.
to "Think about it" | 11:00 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Yes, it is true that in "real life" there are apartments gaps.
Yes, it is true that BYU students voluntarily sign contracts which clearly state that they will be kicked out mid-August.
But the idea that BYU students have options which DON'T include a mid-August kick-out date is FALSE. The truth is that the only options the Honor Code allows them are bad ones.
If they want to avoid expulsion from the University they HAVE TO sign a housing contract which kicks them out mid-August (this only applies to single undergrads). That is the only choice BYU allows them! So, unless they transfer to another University, they are stuck with these bad contracts.
Have I made myself clear? The students have no real market power! The only "power" they have is to transfer to a different school!
This situation reminds me of the factory towns of the industrial revolution era, where residents had no choice but to accept whatever terms their landlords offered them. The landlords had a total monopoly on the market. The factory owners controlled housing, commodities... everything.
For better or for worse, BYU has handed a monopoly to the apartment managers within the "approved" boundaries.
Yes, it is true that BYU students voluntarily sign contracts which clearly state that they will be kicked out mid-August.
But the idea that BYU students have options which DON'T include a mid-August kick-out date is FALSE. The truth is that the only options the Honor Code allows them are bad ones.
If they want to avoid expulsion from the University they HAVE TO sign a housing contract which kicks them out mid-August (this only applies to single undergrads). That is the only choice BYU allows them! So, unless they transfer to another University, they are stuck with these bad contracts.
Have I made myself clear? The students have no real market power! The only "power" they have is to transfer to a different school!
This situation reminds me of the factory towns of the industrial revolution era, where residents had no choice but to accept whatever terms their landlords offered them. The landlords had a total monopoly on the market. The factory owners controlled housing, commodities... everything.
For better or for worse, BYU has handed a monopoly to the apartment managers within the "approved" boundaries.
Jimmy | 11:05 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Just attend a real university and you wont have these problems.
A real university where professors get tenure, the exercise of agency is actually allowed, beards ok, youtube available, etc.
There are many such places. It's a big world.
A real university where professors get tenure, the exercise of agency is actually allowed, beards ok, youtube available, etc.
There are many such places. It's a big world.
Student | 11:46 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
I've never seen the maintenance or cleaning being done during the week that
they have people move out. they are too busy getting all the paperwork and other
things ready for the new move-ins to clean and repair apts. Its just a way for
them to make more money.
to Apt. Manager | 1:14 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
"Have you seen the cars the students drive, the phones they use, and the
meals they eat? Now they all [have cars], and they bring their boats, scooters,
and snowmobiles, too. They aren't exactly in threadbare clothing,
either."
Have you considered other reasons why the students appear this way to you? Not all students have cars, and many of them are borrowing their parents' cars if they don't have their own, and if they do have their own, I think the majority of those cars are not expensive, or they bought a scooter to save on gas and price. Same thing with phones.
Meals. Too many live off Ramen but I do know of those who seem to think they have to live off the expensive cafeteria food 3xday, 6 or 7xweek. As for snowmobiles and boats, very funny.
Or maybe you just manage some of the higher-end complexes, so all the students you see are the rich ones who can afford the ridiculous prices of $300/400+ a month rent, and they also have nicer clothes and cars. Or maybe you manage a bunch of the cheaper ones, and students who live there can actually afford nice stuff.
Have you considered other reasons why the students appear this way to you? Not all students have cars, and many of them are borrowing their parents' cars if they don't have their own, and if they do have their own, I think the majority of those cars are not expensive, or they bought a scooter to save on gas and price. Same thing with phones.
Meals. Too many live off Ramen but I do know of those who seem to think they have to live off the expensive cafeteria food 3xday, 6 or 7xweek. As for snowmobiles and boats, very funny.
Or maybe you just manage some of the higher-end complexes, so all the students you see are the rich ones who can afford the ridiculous prices of $300/400+ a month rent, and they also have nicer clothes and cars. Or maybe you manage a bunch of the cheaper ones, and students who live there can actually afford nice stuff.
kenny | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
BYU could mandate that clean up,repairs,etc be done on a staggered basis through
out the year.That landlords have to agree to take in a certain number of
displaced students into their properties until the student can return to their
apartment,room,etc.That BYU housing has a written agreement with the tenant
attesting to the fact that they have a place to reside while their apartment is
being worked on.Another possibility would be for the wards and stakes in the
Provo area to provide temporary housing to students who need it at the homes of
members.Make it a event.There is a better way. Just find it and do it.Someone
needs to lead out in this problem.
-- -- | 2:47 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
The BYU housing contract already favors the student. Read it -- it leaves the
landlord without recourse in numerous situations, including when students
graduation, leave for internships, or go on missions.
To complain that it is a hassle to have to move twice in the matter of a couple of months is just that ... complaining. There are hassles in life. Deal with it. Sometimes you have to deal with inconveniences.
To complain that it is a hassle to have to move twice in the matter of a couple of months is just that ... complaining. There are hassles in life. Deal with it. Sometimes you have to deal with inconveniences.
Anonymous | 3:07 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
The bitterness is really unnecessary...
The fact is THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS, but they do require some hunting on your part. There are condos out there that will allow you to stay. I allow my students to stay in the condo if needed and numerous other posters have said likewise.
Find a landlord that will stipulate in the contract that you won't be kicked out if your next apartment isn't available.
Speaking for the landlords, it is so much easier for maintenance if you aren't working around renters belongings. I manage a condo for girls and I won't allow male maintenance in the apartment unless I am there -- it's a safety issue for everybody, me, my renters and my maintenance people.
When I replace carpeting, tile, or fixing drywall, all of which need to be done this break, it is pretty hard to get it done quickly if I have to move all of their belongings before we can get started each morning.
Everybody wants repairs made and cleaning done, nobody wants to be inconvenienced by them. Unless you have a magic wand, it's pretty hard to have both.
The fact is THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS, but they do require some hunting on your part. There are condos out there that will allow you to stay. I allow my students to stay in the condo if needed and numerous other posters have said likewise.
Find a landlord that will stipulate in the contract that you won't be kicked out if your next apartment isn't available.
Speaking for the landlords, it is so much easier for maintenance if you aren't working around renters belongings. I manage a condo for girls and I won't allow male maintenance in the apartment unless I am there -- it's a safety issue for everybody, me, my renters and my maintenance people.
When I replace carpeting, tile, or fixing drywall, all of which need to be done this break, it is pretty hard to get it done quickly if I have to move all of their belongings before we can get started each morning.
Everybody wants repairs made and cleaning done, nobody wants to be inconvenienced by them. Unless you have a magic wand, it's pretty hard to have both.
There's a simple solution! | 3:11 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Just get married. That way you can live anywhere and don't have to worry
about BYU-approved housing contracts.
Marie | 3:26 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
This was a hot topic, and the housing situation does need to be re-evaluated at
BYU.
Our family lives 1800 miles from BYU, and we have absolutely no family to help our daughter for 10 days of no housing in August. She does plan ahead and each solution costs our family several hundreds of dollars. She already paid for a whole month of rent. The year-round contracts are also a form of robbery to these students.
I think many folks in Utah have no idea how hard it is for foreign students and kids from out of the state to get along out there without relatives.
I worked for the residential life department at a state university when I went to college. If there were more on-campus housing arrangments at BYU, many, many students would benefit - especially out-of-state and foreign students.
Student planning is not the only problem here.
Our family lives 1800 miles from BYU, and we have absolutely no family to help our daughter for 10 days of no housing in August. She does plan ahead and each solution costs our family several hundreds of dollars. She already paid for a whole month of rent. The year-round contracts are also a form of robbery to these students.
I think many folks in Utah have no idea how hard it is for foreign students and kids from out of the state to get along out there without relatives.
I worked for the residential life department at a state university when I went to college. If there were more on-campus housing arrangments at BYU, many, many students would benefit - especially out-of-state and foreign students.
Student planning is not the only problem here.
Students step up! | 3:38 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
I lived in single student housing when I was single and I had a blast. Mostly
because I PLANNED out my stay there.
I agree with the guy who said, if you're smart enough to be at BYU then stop complaining and figure something out. Golly. It's always someone else's fault that we don't have everything we want or that "my life is supposed to be perfect but it isn't because of this or that." Life will never be fair.
And amen to the apartment manager who says that student use their money to "keep up with the Jones' kid."
ohbytheway, BYU football season tickets are at record highs...wonder why.
I agree with the guy who said, if you're smart enough to be at BYU then stop complaining and figure something out. Golly. It's always someone else's fault that we don't have everything we want or that "my life is supposed to be perfect but it isn't because of this or that." Life will never be fair.
And amen to the apartment manager who says that student use their money to "keep up with the Jones' kid."
ohbytheway, BYU football season tickets are at record highs...wonder why.
To Gear S. and others | 4:05 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
First, BYU is working on trying to find a way to accomodate more students, but
they have conflicting reports on what they should do with the land from the old
DT's. Also, my wife works for housing and she said that students don't
really have to live in approved housing, I mean, really, do you think that BYU
is going to check or care about their close to 50,000 students? It's just
something that they do to strive to maintain the principles that the students
already promised to follow.
DWD | 4:56 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
This is not a BYU only problem. My daughter lives off campas while attending
Utah State in Logan. She had to leave her apartment on 8/11 and cannot move
into her house for the fall until 8/23. Luckily she had a friend who was
willing to store her stuff in his empty basement and she was able to move around
a lot to find a place to sleep for two weeks. This is a problem at many
schools, not just BYU.
Anonymous | 5:43 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
I think this whole problem is ridiculous! I went to BYU, and so did two of my
children. I remember having to take finals and be out of my apartment by noon
of the same day! What stress! Moving all of your stuff out for 12 days just to
put it all back is stupid! What if you live thousands of miles away and
don't have a car? How are you supposed to move out? If you are coming
back to the same apartment, why can't you pile things on your bed. Plus,
housing in Provo is ghastly! In the two years my daughter was there, her
apartment was never painted, repaired, or carpets cleaned! And we had to pay
four months rent ahead of when she arrived to insure we got the apartment.
Thank heavens my last daughter decided to go to school somewhere else! She has
an awesome apartment and no moving problems.
Debbie from Mountain View | 6:54 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
The real problem is the avaricious LDS landlords sanctioned by BYU.
Here puppy. Come here puppy! | 7:41 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
In Springville,
"Can the general public help? What if we have a room available?"
These students don't want to be treated like dogs and be forced to live with strangers. I know most students wouldn't want to live with someone that posts on an online forum asking "what if we have a room available?" Is that your way of finding your victims?
We should have concern about the female student who is raped because she's forced to live with someone she thinks is a nice LDS family or the young man who is raped by a member of one of these families?
Will BYU conduct background checks for students who are forced to live with strangers? Will they ensure their safety? Or will they allow the parasites who own these apartment complexes to move these students around like dogs?
"Can the general public help? What if we have a room available?"
These students don't want to be treated like dogs and be forced to live with strangers. I know most students wouldn't want to live with someone that posts on an online forum asking "what if we have a room available?" Is that your way of finding your victims?
We should have concern about the female student who is raped because she's forced to live with someone she thinks is a nice LDS family or the young man who is raped by a member of one of these families?
Will BYU conduct background checks for students who are forced to live with strangers? Will they ensure their safety? Or will they allow the parasites who own these apartment complexes to move these students around like dogs?
Anonymous | 7:45 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Anonymous,
"How and when do people propose that the landlords clean, paint, and make repairs? Or would people prefer that none of that is done?"
I live in a Student apartment and management does not paint, clean or make repairs between semester instead they leave me a notice telling me to have my apartment clean but they don't even check. If they actually did that we would be really happy but they don't.
"How and when do people propose that the landlords clean, paint, and make repairs? Or would people prefer that none of that is done?"
I live in a Student apartment and management does not paint, clean or make repairs between semester instead they leave me a notice telling me to have my apartment clean but they don't even check. If they actually did that we would be really happy but they don't.
Use the law to your advantage | 7:55 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
nottyou,
"What a bunch of morons. I went to and graduated from BYU and it is not a problem for those with common sense and a brain. There is plenty of hotel space. Have a clue...have a plan."
Not everyone can afford to stay in a hotel for 10 days. Assuming they find a really cheap hotel with vacancies they would still have to pay almost $30 a day or $300 for 10 days. That's a months rent for some students and they can't afford it.
Maybe your mommy and your daddy were wealthy and could afford to put you up in a hotel but not all students have parents or family that are wealthy enough to spend $300 for 10 days. Some don't even have parents and were in foster care.
Here's a good plan for these students.
Don't move out of the apartment and force them to take you to court. By the time they can get you out legally it will be 7 to 10 days.
That will show them!
They are willing to use the law to their advantage so you should do the same until their husband in the Legislature sponsors a bill.
"What a bunch of morons. I went to and graduated from BYU and it is not a problem for those with common sense and a brain. There is plenty of hotel space. Have a clue...have a plan."
Not everyone can afford to stay in a hotel for 10 days. Assuming they find a really cheap hotel with vacancies they would still have to pay almost $30 a day or $300 for 10 days. That's a months rent for some students and they can't afford it.
Maybe your mommy and your daddy were wealthy and could afford to put you up in a hotel but not all students have parents or family that are wealthy enough to spend $300 for 10 days. Some don't even have parents and were in foster care.
Here's a good plan for these students.
Don't move out of the apartment and force them to take you to court. By the time they can get you out legally it will be 7 to 10 days.
That will show them!
They are willing to use the law to their advantage so you should do the same until their husband in the Legislature sponsors a bill.
awesomeron | 8:00 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Yes it is Real Life, and you cannot run Real Life with Mormon World, the two are
toxic to each other. You cannot have it both ways. If you walk down the center
of the road you get hit by both sides. For people to achieve and keep the
expected standards, the people in charge have to provide the way to do it. When
I rented I often did my own clean up and minor repair. If I clean the pig pen
then I know it is clean. Plumbing, Paint, Carpets etc. My Dad almost got evicted
once because he planted flowers and everything did not look the same. What
really scared them was that at 88 or 89 he might fall and hurt himself. I
understand that Students are poor and often help stops when they get married.
(the so called consequence of being married). I would and will continue to pay
what I was already paying for my Childs education, housing etc. Provided Church
Standards are kept. I have the Check Book, That�s the yuck
I want for my Buck. Marriage and Sex is Normal as is proper housing.
Camping out isn't free either | 8:01 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Kansan,
"BYU itself made me move out of the dorms between summer term and fall semester so that they could house people for Education Week even though I was coming right back to the same room. Fortunately, I was able to store my stuff at my sister's apartment and then I was able to go home for the break. It seems to me that students should take priority over people attending Education Week."
I say to hell with fat old ladies who want to attend Education Week. Maybe if students had a backbone and didn't go home and instead bought some tents and all decided to camp out on BYU campus then the fat old guys at BYU might reconsider their decision to force students out of the dorms.
We know that the fat old ladies who attend Education Week don't want to see students urinating in public or in pajamas on the Quad. Of course BYU could call the police and have the students arrested but that is 10 free days in jail. Never mind. I just learned that the Utah County jail charge people for time spent in jail. So you are out of luck either way!
"BYU itself made me move out of the dorms between summer term and fall semester so that they could house people for Education Week even though I was coming right back to the same room. Fortunately, I was able to store my stuff at my sister's apartment and then I was able to go home for the break. It seems to me that students should take priority over people attending Education Week."
I say to hell with fat old ladies who want to attend Education Week. Maybe if students had a backbone and didn't go home and instead bought some tents and all decided to camp out on BYU campus then the fat old guys at BYU might reconsider their decision to force students out of the dorms.
We know that the fat old ladies who attend Education Week don't want to see students urinating in public or in pajamas on the Quad. Of course BYU could call the police and have the students arrested but that is 10 free days in jail. Never mind. I just learned that the Utah County jail charge people for time spent in jail. So you are out of luck either way!
Give them the middle finger | 8:08 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
BYU Admin,
"I'm having the same problem. I'm supposed to move out on the 25th, and move in on the 29th."
Don't move out. If they post the eviction notice on the 26th you will have until the 29th to vacate and they will be forced to go to the court on August 1st and the Sheriff won't show up until the 2nd.
"I'm having the same problem. I'm supposed to move out on the 25th, and move in on the 29th."
Don't move out. If they post the eviction notice on the 26th you will have until the 29th to vacate and they will be forced to go to the court on August 1st and the Sheriff won't show up until the 2nd.
Good for you | 8:30 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
BYU "super" senior,
"How can I say what cleaning has been done during the "gap"? Because, come that time of year, I simply don't move out. I'm not going to let some apartment manager force me into homelessness until they send the cops."
Good for you. A student with a backbone! If they want to fight me over $30 to $40 plus court costs I'm happy to oblige and pay the money when I feel like it as the apartment manager tries to enforce their court judgment through a collection agency.
"How can I say what cleaning has been done during the "gap"? Because, come that time of year, I simply don't move out. I'm not going to let some apartment manager force me into homelessness until they send the cops."
Good for you. A student with a backbone! If they want to fight me over $30 to $40 plus court costs I'm happy to oblige and pay the money when I feel like it as the apartment manager tries to enforce their court judgment through a collection agency.
Have fun collecing jacka**es | 8:52 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Re: to BYU *super* senior
"It is not "your" apartment and you have NOT paid for it if the gap dates are disclosed and you signed the lease."
Don't worry. I'm sure he/she pays for the number of days that he/she stays during the gap. By the time the police show up it is somewhere between 4 and 9 days.
"Most people know they have to pay for their night's lodging. Everyone does it. Stop whining about paying for hotel fees or whatever."
Why do that when paying to stay in your apartment after receiving an eviction notice is cheaper then paying for a hotel?
"If you didn't want to figure out housing you could have stayed local to your parents' home and lived there. This is real life. Get used to it."
Or maybe he/she can have a backbone and make the apartment managers realize this is "real life" and not all tenants are pushovers. If they want to spend their money on an eviction and get a judgment that he/she isn't going to pay then go ahead. I have several judgments that I'm never going to pay and I tell the collection agents to go to hell.
"It is not "your" apartment and you have NOT paid for it if the gap dates are disclosed and you signed the lease."
Don't worry. I'm sure he/she pays for the number of days that he/she stays during the gap. By the time the police show up it is somewhere between 4 and 9 days.
"Most people know they have to pay for their night's lodging. Everyone does it. Stop whining about paying for hotel fees or whatever."
Why do that when paying to stay in your apartment after receiving an eviction notice is cheaper then paying for a hotel?
"If you didn't want to figure out housing you could have stayed local to your parents' home and lived there. This is real life. Get used to it."
Or maybe he/she can have a backbone and make the apartment managers realize this is "real life" and not all tenants are pushovers. If they want to spend their money on an eviction and get a judgment that he/she isn't going to pay then go ahead. I have several judgments that I'm never going to pay and I tell the collection agents to go to hell.
to BYU "super" senior | 9:11 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
Your sarcastic little rant (11:45pm)after your previous post has me concerned
that you need to take a breather and get out in the real world. Take a semester
off. Get a job. Find out what life is like away from the cloistered halls of
Cougar Zoo. You might find the change refreshing. You may just gain a more
rational perspective on life and our responsibility to manage well the
situations that arise.
Anonymous | 9:31 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
I'm amazed at all you jokers who think that because we know in advance
we're going to be homeless, finding a place to stay is somehow easier.
You know what? I've known for four darn months now that I'm going to be homeless for 12 days. Could I have waited and found another contract? Possibly. But at the rate BYU housing goes, it's not something you want to push your luck. If you find a decent place, you're almost obligated to take it, no matter what the contract end date is. Then you think that we can just line someone up to live with and it won't be a problem. IT IS!!! I called around and my friends who aren't moving don't have room in their apartments!!! My parents are in WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where the heck am I supposed to live? I'm living in Salt Lake with a friend now. Is it BYU approved? No! But what am I supposed to do? Live in my car? Pay $15 per night of money that I DON'T HAVE TO WASTE???? This issue makes me SOOOOO angry!!!!!
You know what? I've known for four darn months now that I'm going to be homeless for 12 days. Could I have waited and found another contract? Possibly. But at the rate BYU housing goes, it's not something you want to push your luck. If you find a decent place, you're almost obligated to take it, no matter what the contract end date is. Then you think that we can just line someone up to live with and it won't be a problem. IT IS!!! I called around and my friends who aren't moving don't have room in their apartments!!! My parents are in WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where the heck am I supposed to live? I'm living in Salt Lake with a friend now. Is it BYU approved? No! But what am I supposed to do? Live in my car? Pay $15 per night of money that I DON'T HAVE TO WASTE???? This issue makes me SOOOOO angry!!!!!
Former BYU student, now Alumni | 9:33 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008
This whole blog was amusing and brought back memories. Some landlords are great
and some are not. I remember one who wouldn't repair the hot water heater
after many many many many calls during the daytime.
After more than 2 weeks of calling him every day and getting NO results except for "empty promises", I tried a new strategy and started calling and waking him at 3:30AM (in the morning) to remind him that cold showers and/or baths are not a fun experience. It finally got fixed about two more weeks later. That was in the winter months, I believe in November/December. It was a "BYU Approved" apartment unit on 500 East.
Most of my other landlords were good.
The BYU experience does have some unique flavors and memories, But I'm glad I went. The last time I was in Provo, I drove around some and most of those same housing complexes are still there.
Good Luck BYU Students!!!
This is part of the learning experience to be remembered. It's ALL funn to talk about
in retrospect. "Go Cougars!!!"
"My Best 4 Years"....
After more than 2 weeks of calling him every day and getting NO results except for "empty promises", I tried a new strategy and started calling and waking him at 3:30AM (in the morning) to remind him that cold showers and/or baths are not a fun experience. It finally got fixed about two more weeks later. That was in the winter months, I believe in November/December. It was a "BYU Approved" apartment unit on 500 East.
Most of my other landlords were good.
The BYU experience does have some unique flavors and memories, But I'm glad I went. The last time I was in Provo, I drove around some and most of those same housing complexes are still there.
Good Luck BYU Students!!!
This is part of the learning experience to be remembered. It's ALL funn to talk about
in retrospect. "Go Cougars!!!"
"My Best 4 Years"....
BYU "super" senior | 1:57 a.m. Aug. 22, 2008
Thank you for the support! I have to say, though, that my rebellious apartment
squatting was not very exciting. Because no cleaning took place, and no
managers ever stopped by to check the place, no one even knew I was there.
Pfft.
To me, this points out the absurdity of the "gap." I believe that no one is under any obligation to obey stupid, inapplicable rules and laws. If the management ain't gonna clean the place (and mind you, that is the only reason there is a "gap" at all in the first place), then don't leave! No one is the worse off . . . though haters will insist that the $2.47 worth of electricity you use is unacceptable.
Speaking of stupid laws, I hear it's illegal to carry ice cream in your back pocket on Sundays in Georgia . . . .
I suppose we should all respect that law, too.
To me, this points out the absurdity of the "gap." I believe that no one is under any obligation to obey stupid, inapplicable rules and laws. If the management ain't gonna clean the place (and mind you, that is the only reason there is a "gap" at all in the first place), then don't leave! No one is the worse off . . . though haters will insist that the $2.47 worth of electricity you use is unacceptable.
Speaking of stupid laws, I hear it's illegal to carry ice cream in your back pocket on Sundays in Georgia . . . .
I suppose we should all respect that law, too.
I'm confused | 12:57 p.m. Aug. 22, 2008
This article says that managers need this 7 to 10 day time period to clean and
maintain the apartments. I've lived in BYU approved housing for three
years now, and I've never seen any managers clean or maintain anything.
Emily | 5:06 p.m. Aug. 22, 2008
I called BYU housing to ask them about this issue, (I am currently experiencing
two weeks of homelessness) and asked if this was a common problem. The lady on
the other end of the line laughed nervously and said, "It happens every
semester."
BYU creates various and specific standards for their housing in everything from moral code to safety regulations. Why can't they create a standard to address such a pervasive problem?
BYU creates various and specific standards for their housing in everything from moral code to safety regulations. Why can't they create a standard to address such a pervasive problem?
Wow... | 5:39 p.m. Aug. 22, 2008
The University of Utah wouldn't ever do that.
Rob | 11:45 p.m. Aug. 22, 2008
I think you all should get over it. I've dealt with this problem at USU
but you don't see us whining about it. It's part of the college
experience. What an opportunity it is to get creative and figure this out for
yourself instead of trying to get others to sort it out for you. I've seen
enough comments here of what other people have done now go out and have fun with
it. What good is life without its difficulties?
Yeaaaaaaaaaaa!!! | 12:50 a.m. Aug. 23, 2008
Education Week is over --- yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Now hopefully your lives will get back in order and you can spend another year worrying about what you will do for next year's Education Week.
As far as apartments being up to BYU standards I know someone who was/is going to BYU who is single/divorced with children. They even told her where she had to live which was much more expensive then the apartment that she had found for herself before moving to Utah. If she is old enough to have married, have children and divorce personally she's mature enough to decide what is best for her and her children.
Now hopefully your lives will get back in order and you can spend another year worrying about what you will do for next year's Education Week.
As far as apartments being up to BYU standards I know someone who was/is going to BYU who is single/divorced with children. They even told her where she had to live which was much more expensive then the apartment that she had found for herself before moving to Utah. If she is old enough to have married, have children and divorce personally she's mature enough to decide what is best for her and her children.
Wanna fix the problem? | 2:11 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008
Everybody who is evicted (which sounds like half of the school) can shack up
together, co-ed style, in tents, hotels, parents' homes, whatever. Make it
known that you have been forced to spend a night within a quarter mile of
someone of the opposite gender and you'll have the panic alarms a blowing.
The Gestapo can't possibly hunt down and expell all of you, they just may
recommend a change in the policy.
Personally, though, I'd just go to school somewhere else.
Personally, though, I'd just go to school somewhere else.
H.R. Beckham, Jr. | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008
This is unreal! Does this happen at Idaho and Hawaii campuses also? It is
irresponsible for BYU to allow this to happen. It even sounds like they are
encouraging it to happen by their �it is not our
problem� attitude. We have no friends or family in Utah,
and our daughter would have no where to stay since it would be financially
stressful to travel thousands of miles home between terms.
BYU should make it their business to see to it that BYU approved housing for students is safe and secure for the students, especially since they require such high standards. In the �real world� apartment and housing complexes are able to perform maintenance without kicking folks out of the apartment in most cases. Even when they do, they move them into another apartment while the work is being done. As a parent who has been preparing my daughter to attend BYU, perhaps it is time to guide her to another University that looks after their students, and does not ENCOURGE landlords to toss them out on the street!
BYU should make it their business to see to it that BYU approved housing for students is safe and secure for the students, especially since they require such high standards. In the �real world� apartment and housing complexes are able to perform maintenance without kicking folks out of the apartment in most cases. Even when they do, they move them into another apartment while the work is being done. As a parent who has been preparing my daughter to attend BYU, perhaps it is time to guide her to another University that looks after their students, and does not ENCOURGE landlords to toss them out on the street!
Reality Check | 10:52 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008
I've managed BYU housing for five years. Here are the facts:
1) students agree months ahead of time on a move out date. The homeless are lazy and don't plan ahead.
2) BYU's conflict resolution process is pathetic, based on controlling egos and inexperienced staff. Landlords can't enforce rules without going through a lengthy and useless resolution process, unlike regular court.
The CCR regularly allows the students to be dishonorable.
3) Yes, BYU students lie, including return missionaries who fail to pay rent, bring handguns to their units, have girls overnight, smoke, drink and frolic like most college students across America..and sadly, parents defend them.
3) Landlords are forced to comply to BYU standards or be threatened with "losing their contract approval". So, we must clean carpets, patch walls, paint, change bulbs, rekey locks, put on new screens and new toilet seats on a regular annual basis - when should it get done?
4) BYU forces approved complexes to pay tenants $25 each to move them to another unit temporarily while doing this required work.
I'm getting out. It's embarrassing to witness this shameful behavior amongst church members.
1) students agree months ahead of time on a move out date. The homeless are lazy and don't plan ahead.
2) BYU's conflict resolution process is pathetic, based on controlling egos and inexperienced staff. Landlords can't enforce rules without going through a lengthy and useless resolution process, unlike regular court.
The CCR regularly allows the students to be dishonorable.
3) Yes, BYU students lie, including return missionaries who fail to pay rent, bring handguns to their units, have girls overnight, smoke, drink and frolic like most college students across America..and sadly, parents defend them.
3) Landlords are forced to comply to BYU standards or be threatened with "losing their contract approval". So, we must clean carpets, patch walls, paint, change bulbs, rekey locks, put on new screens and new toilet seats on a regular annual basis - when should it get done?
4) BYU forces approved complexes to pay tenants $25 each to move them to another unit temporarily while doing this required work.
I'm getting out. It's embarrassing to witness this shameful behavior amongst church members.
Funny People pt. 2 | 10:41 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008
Let me state again, BYU doesn't really require students to live in BYU
approved housing. You can live wherever you want, you just don't have the
protection by BYU's council. Be smart, don't move every semester like
many BYU students do.
Secondly, the Church as a religious organization is not spurring BYU's "desire for money", but the fact that BYU is a business means that it is there to make money.
If you have a problem with housing at BYU, you don't need to go here to gain eternal salvation, go somewhere you'll be happy.
I also can't understand the griping about the price gouging going on here. Try to find the same standards elsewhere for $200-$250 for a private room.
Secondly, the Church as a religious organization is not spurring BYU's "desire for money", but the fact that BYU is a business means that it is there to make money.
If you have a problem with housing at BYU, you don't need to go here to gain eternal salvation, go somewhere you'll be happy.
I also can't understand the griping about the price gouging going on here. Try to find the same standards elsewhere for $200-$250 for a private room.
Gus | 6:42 p.m. Aug. 25, 2008
My wife and I attended Ed. Week this year and rented an apartment on 900 East.
It was pricey compared to what it had cost to stay at Deseret Towers in previous
years. However, Ed. Week meant enough to us that we were willing to pay extra.
I am sorry if we ousted BYU students by doing that. We had several children who
attended BYU. I can truthfully say that BYU HOusing was always more interested
in the Apartment Landords than it was the students. Perhaps dinners at Magelbys
and other "incentives" encouraged that attitude. At any rate, our
kids survived and so will you. Be self reliant and figure it out. Take charge
of your life and work to change things that are wrong. Whining does not help at
all. Good luck1
ANONYMOUS | 3:11 p.m. Dec. 6, 2008
I keep reading about people moving into filthy apartments of apartments that
have issues such as plumbing. Why did you move into that apartment, what did you
expect?? I have lived in the Provo/Orem area for 3 years and always check out an
apartment before I move in. If its a dump, don't move in, spend a little
extra money and get a nicer place. Nicer places DO exist. If you can't
afford a nicer place than don't complain about the living conditions. If
your moving from out of state go online and read reviews, there is a ton of
them. Also call around and get opinions. Its not that difficult. I think people
are just over-reacting and not taking responsibility on themselves.
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