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Gay support group lists requests to LDS Church

This sounds like a list of demands. And it sounds pretty one-sided. If the group gets this set of demands fulfilled, what next? Ultimately I believe their goal is to get church endorsement of the gay lifestyle.

That is exactly what crossed my mind when I read this article. It was totally conflicted the whole foundation of their faith and I don't think LDS Church will ever bend their beliefs around this kind of practices they've been requesting. I would be shocked if LDS Church would change it. Just one thing... mothers of gay children would need to understand is that they are always welcome in the Church since I've met a handful of them. They are wonderful mothers and should not be condemned if they're doing their part as a good mother. It isn't their fault that they have these children. God bless their hearts for being a loving mother, no matter what their childen's choices are.

How do these people keep getting so much press?

AFFIRMATION, here's MY demand: Get in step with the fact that the LORD'S plan is that a MAN and WOMAN (not a man and man or woman and woman) marry and try and rear a righteous family in harmony with His commandments. Just accept the fact that "Adam and Eve" conform to this ideal (not "Adam and Steve") and that same sex attraction, while not a sin, is an aberration.

Extremely assuming views of the group that the LDS Church will change core beliefs. We've heard enough from the group, time to get it out of the news.

I don't ever remember learning in Sunday School that the Lord does things 'our' way. I had LDS gay friends in SLC, when I lived there, and they were content with knowing they were attracted to same sex, but according to their faith, they could not live the sexual lifestyle and stay 'active'. They put their faith BEFORE their human desires. This Affirmation group IS just looking for a way to get the church (NOT the Lord) to go with the flow of society. The Lord will not be told what to do.

And what is this about talking to mothers???!! Mothers, fathers, human beings can make their own choices on how to handle things - FREE AGENCY. Since when do we TELL anyone what to say to their children? Guidelines, maybe, but ?? This group just wants attention.......... SO TIRED of this.

Affirmation understands what being gay is like much better than do other members of the LDS church. Why not listen to requests (not demands as has been stated here).


The above posts show exactly why more compassion is needed and not less.......

We fear what we do not understand.

Alright so they made their demands public. What are they offering on their side? Do they even have a position to make demands?

a church General Authority speak at their convention? Yeah.........right......What is the likelihood of that happening?.....Let's see.....NEVER?

Some people have strong tendency's toward alcohol. Others toward pornograpy.
Let's also have the church make a statement that these things are not sin, but just lifestyle choices, and that their mothers are not the blame. Come on... we are all individuals with our own agency. Some of the best mom's in the world have kids who make serious bad choices, and some of the worst mom's have kids who turn out wonderfully. It helps to be taught good values but we are who we are. We have within us the power to change but many are unwilling.That's why we are here. To see if we have within us the power to overcome our weaknesses and become better.

You are forgetting to put the key core issue in your demands:

We would like the church to accept our life-style and teach it that it's a God Sanctioned, normal life...

Isn't that your ultimate goal?

Well, Good Luck....

We all have trials in life but most people don't whine and make a public spectacle of themselves over it. I have some health problems that prohibit me from doing some things I would like to do - but I don't make an issue of it; I don't expect everyone and every organization to change their attitudes to make me feel comfortable - I deal with it. So if you are gay by choice or some perceived circumstances, "Man Up" and deal with it. People are getting tired of your agenda driven whining.

I won't presume to guess what Affirmation's objectives are beyond what they've stated. It would be a VERY good gesture on their part to offer to state categorically that sexual relations outside of marriage are a sin and that marriage is intended by God to be between and male and female. Until they are willing to take that position, then their requests are one-sided and leave open the question as to what their full set of objective is.

If they "affirm" the Lords standards and plan, then their credibility will soar.

It's not about fear, or about not understanding. Thats a cop-out used to ridicule those who do not believe what you want them to. Not agreeing with you or endorsing a gay (which is often fair to say very promiscuous lifestyle) is not an issue of fear or lack of understanding at all. It's the courage to stand up against the whims of society and pressures of worldly culture and say no. I will not go with the flow for the sake of being hip, cool, or so-called modern. I will stand for what is right not what is popular. Not in a hateful way as we all know we need to love and have compassion for each other. That does not mean we have to agree to or be a part of other's sinful choices. We can hate the sin and love the person at the same time. I can only hope the same for myself, I may sin but I hope for understanding and compassion as I learn to overcome them not ridicule or hatred, or fear of those who face any specific sin, that in itself would be a sin on your part.

I love the way many of the posters presume to know exactly what God wants. It would be cool, wouldn't it, to have a personal pipeline to the Almighty? I don't remember Jesus himself being so pompous....

I don't support Affrimation's actions but I longer attend church either. I no longer support any church who tells me who I can love or how I can express my love.

Actually many including the pharisees thought Jesus to be incredibly pompous. He was an uneducated poor nobody wandering through city from city telling everyone how off course their rules and laws were. Laws that had been set up by learned men for decades upon decades.

Not that that really coincides with either side on these message boards. There needs to be a bit more understanding on both ends. (and by both sides I mean Affirmation and those showing malice toward those with homosexual tendancies)

I know what God wants, I listen to a living Prophet, President Monson now, and he is the mouthpiece of God. I believe that all issues have room for discussion, but when the Prophet speaks, that is the voice I am going to listen to. As my husband lay on his deathbed, the last year of his life, he did a farewell video to his family. His voice was weak and he could barely talk, he said "listen to the Prophet, if you do, you will never go wrong".

I have two friends that I would suspect have same sex attractions, one is a male one is a female, they are in their mid-50's and have never married. Both of them are strong active members of the church and I know that this life is just a short time and a proving time. These two have proven themselves by abstaining and I do not doubt that they will be rewarded in the eternities. I am not going to take 80 years on earth to blow 80 billion years plus of happiness. Same sex people need to trust in the Lord, we all do in whatever challenges we face in life.

As a white heterosexual, monogomous male raising 4 children with the help of a stay at home mom; I have some demands (or requests) to make of my own. First, I want the church to tell me life is fair. If a member of the First Pres. could do that in confrence, that would be great. Why is it that when a group of people who live outside the Lords plan what to change everyone else to ease the consciousness of a few?

It would be far too arrogant to presume to know what God wants, and it would be undeniably great to have a pipeline to the Almighty...Pres Monson seems like a perfect candidate as he already fulfills that roll.
The Church made a stand with a Proclomation to the World that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. God has also made himself quite clear when he said that the natural man is an enemy to God. We can only try to pass the trials of this life by putting off our own carnal natures, whether it is a homosexual lifestyle, an addiction to porn, or drugs, or promiscuity. They all mean we are letting our own bodies, not our minds and spirits, control our behavior. That would be the ultimate goal wouldn't it, becoming more like Jesus, or God? That can only happen when we submit ourselves to the word that he has given us, put off the natural man and do our best to follow in the path that he has laid before our feets. I believe that path started with a Man and a Woman.