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LDS leader's '07 address still causing controversy
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Thank you "What Women Know," you've done more to strengthen the resolve of these Sisters and at the same time provided them with a list of individuals they should be mindful of.
Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.
The message is that all women can be great & have potential to be great mothers; if anything, men are excluded.
The LDS church in no way diminishes womanhood by professing the sacred divinity of mothers. How does success in the home take away from any accomplishments outside of the home? It doesn't! Defining any noble endeavors of motherhood does not diminish from what a woman can do, but rather adds to it? I am disgusted with the "What Women Know" movement, because you are the ones limiting what you can know and do. Shame on you for discrediting yourselves.
My mother has as many accomplishments outside the home as she does in the home, but she will tell you her greatest accomplishment is raising righteous children who contribute to society (And even more importantly raise valiant families of their own).
Bit cold in Auckland today!!
**People, people, people... Did you listen to the same talk that I did? Nowhere did it say that we were just supposed to become the best homemakers in the world. There were so many great and wonderful things in that talk - she talked about standing strong and immovable in faith. She asked all LDS women to have a current temple recommend, pray every day, follow the Holy Ghost, study the scriptures. She talked of standing strong and immovable in family and DEFENDING the family. She talked of standing strong and immovable in relief which means to lighten up and lift others. Again, I say, people, people, people, were you even listening to the same talk I heard and have reread several times?**
Thanks, that was beautifully said!
Are we perfect? No, but we're striving to go in that direction. We're both working parents who come home together and strive to teach and raise our kids together as best we can. We pray that our daughters and our son learn early to always strive to be better; strive to be good; strive to do good toward others; above all strive to be as Jesus.
...but the doctrine is not on a menu. We can't just pick the parts we like and leave the rest, as you can with other religions. If it's true, and there's a living prophet, then he speaks for God and there's really no room for quibbling.
And I haven't heard the General Authorities taking back anything that was said by Sis. Beck, so I take that as being affirmed and condoned by our prophet.
There just isn't any room for argument in a voluntary membership organization that claims leadership directly from God. Either it's true and you follow it, or it's not and you don't.**
Amen, what else is there to say??
If men were to get as upset by the Brethren beating on them about pornography, the women of the church would be up in arms. If you're upset by Sis. Beck's talk, maybe it's time to ask yourself why. Ladies, cowboy up!**
LOL!! And so true!
Otherwise, it is just Sister Beck's opinion. There is nothing wrong with NOT wanting children. There is nothing wrong with NOT wanting to be a homemaker. There is nothing wrong with "knowing" but not agreeing with Sister Beck.
I listened to Sis. Beck's talk and didn't think that it was particularly controversial or offensive. And I went to the "What Women Know" website and didn't see anything there other than good common sense. I don't think anyone risks their church membership by signing their name.
I really think both sides are saying the same thing. For some reason, they seem obsessed with criticizing the way the other person says it. That's not Sis. Beck's fault. That's something going much, much deeper and has to do with another of the favorite pastimes of church members: converting our own personal approaches to life into the doctrines of salvation. I'm LDS and I believe that there are bedrock principles...but not everything I do qualifies.
As an educated, intellectual, stay-at-home AND work-from-home mother, I was completely inspired by Sister Beck's talk. For me it was a clarion call to stand a little taller, and to reflect on the enormous importance of nurturing and teaching my children in love and righteousness. My children cover the spectrum of mental ability and each presents unique challenges, but regardless, each child needs to be spiritually grounded. I find I am able to meet their spiritual needs when I am spiritually fed myself; likewise I can meet their intellectual needs when my mind is intellectually stimulated. There is nothing wrong with taking time to nuture myself as an individual, and I think much of the controversy comes down to the erroneous assumption that in motherhood we must all run faster than we have the strength, or until we have no more strength. "Women who know" are swift to tap into that higher power, that unfailing source of strength, and find that the seemingly impossible tasks of motherhood are not so impossible after all.***
Ahh, beautifully stated!
Sister Becks Talk was a landmark talk. One of the best talks ever given to women. It was a companion talk to Elder Oaks talk of that same conference, Good, Better, Best. He also mentioned some points about todays families that some might have taken to be hard. Those of you who are a part of this website and are participating in criticizing your leaders...do you realize what you are doing? You are not a law unto yourselves. Say what you want, do what you want, but the Lord is in charge and His leaders will say and must say what He commands. If you have a problem don't point your finger at His servants, look in the mirror.
Sister Beck is the leader for these times. EVerything she said was right on the mark.***
Oh, so true! I so appreciate your comments & many others here who truly understand & 'know' what Sis. Beck's words meant & that her words were nothing short of inspired!
The LDS Church's doctrines are the ones that are "ever-changing".
In the early 1900's, women in the Church were required to be homemakers. Even if their husband was killed or incapacitated, they were not to go out and work, but instead stay at home and take care of the children and be provided for out of the Church storehouse.
Read D&C 83. Why isn't the Church following its own revelations?
During the 70's and 80's, Church leaders changed, and widows or women whose husbands could not provide were "allowed" to work outside the home. But President Benson taught against women working outside the home for any other reasons.
Today, women work outside the home with their heads held high. They are no longer marginalized and ostracized... until Sister Beck's retrograde talk! Now the comment section here is evidence of a subtle hostility and condemnation of women who work and have careers. All the self-righteous SAHMs have always had this hidden hostility against "career women". Sister Beck's talk just put it in grand relief for everyone to see!
However, this has been going on for tooooo many years, and the bretheren must put an end to the grief and srrife. It is not healthy for the church
nor is it Christlike.
Pressuring every woman into one limited role is unhealthy for women, as well as men and children.
Obviously there are lots of understandable exceptions to the standard roles of men & women. Most reasonable members get that. That's not the issue she was addressing. I am condifent that every church leader in SLC understands these exceptions.
The most important thing is that we are trying to do the best we can - keeping in line with the principles of the gospel - based on the situation we are in.
I wish she would get up in General Conference in October and give the same talk, verbatim.
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