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Pelosi's Nightmare | 5:25 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is blocking any vote on drilling anywhere in the US
or outer Continental shelf. She knows if she allows a vote to happen, she will
actually lose a good chunk of her own Democrats....Even Jim Matheson would be
hard-pressed to not vote for more drilling. So Pelosi, representing perhaps the
most left-wing, liberal district in the nation, continues to play her
enviro-wacko fiddle while the rest of us burn. Pelosi and her husband are worth
$30 million...running a winery ...probably paying tons of illegal immigrants
minimum wage....So $5 a gallon gas is nothing to her. What about the rest of
America middle class and poor that she feigns she's so concerned about???
It is a dereliction of duty. She should be tried for treason.
ST. GEORGE | 5:45 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Same old GOP propaganda, which deflects the real issue in favor of keeping BIG
OIL in power.
Even if BIG OIL could drill, the price would be determined by the World Market, OPEC would cut production.
The only way to secure our FREEDOM AND NATIONAL SECURITY is to end the Oil Based Economy.
The required polices must be enacted NOW.
Mandate 20% of autos be natural gas in 2009, saves 1.8 Million Barrels Per Day)
Legislation mandating 60% of Autos be electric within 10 years (saves 5.4 Million Barrels Per Day)
MagLev Train System for shipping 50% of goods within 10 years (saves 2 Million Barrels per Day)
Stop subsidizing World Wide Price of Oil through the use of the US Military, $8 Billion per month to keep 40% of the World�s Daily Oil used flowing from the Middle East.
Use the $96 Billion war expense money to fund clean renewable energy power plants, in 4 years creating 200,000 megawatts, enough to power 60% of all homes in the USA. Free power, as the cost of the war pays for the construction.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
Even if BIG OIL could drill, the price would be determined by the World Market, OPEC would cut production.
The only way to secure our FREEDOM AND NATIONAL SECURITY is to end the Oil Based Economy.
The required polices must be enacted NOW.
Mandate 20% of autos be natural gas in 2009, saves 1.8 Million Barrels Per Day)
Legislation mandating 60% of Autos be electric within 10 years (saves 5.4 Million Barrels Per Day)
MagLev Train System for shipping 50% of goods within 10 years (saves 2 Million Barrels per Day)
Stop subsidizing World Wide Price of Oil through the use of the US Military, $8 Billion per month to keep 40% of the World�s Daily Oil used flowing from the Middle East.
Use the $96 Billion war expense money to fund clean renewable energy power plants, in 4 years creating 200,000 megawatts, enough to power 60% of all homes in the USA. Free power, as the cost of the war pays for the construction.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
ST. GEORGE | 5:46 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
The GOP Energy policy of Drill Now, is a short-term solution at best and will
take half to a whole decade to have an effect. It is a policy that only helps
BIG OIL.
Converting the 60% of autos to electric would offset all the Government Estimates for offshore and ANWR by double. Our money would be spent creating a new future with American Technology, American Jobs, American Exports.
Do your research and stop believing the GOP propaganda from BIG OIL Concerns.
Plus by ending the oil based economy we can save $700 Billion dollars used to import oil, money that would stay in our economy!
Time for all REPUBLICANS to WAKE UP TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE GOP!
Converting the 60% of autos to electric would offset all the Government Estimates for offshore and ANWR by double. Our money would be spent creating a new future with American Technology, American Jobs, American Exports.
Do your research and stop believing the GOP propaganda from BIG OIL Concerns.
Plus by ending the oil based economy we can save $700 Billion dollars used to import oil, money that would stay in our economy!
Time for all REPUBLICANS to WAKE UP TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE GOP!
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Southern Utah Republican | 5:54 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Matheson has the right idea --- Comprehensive everything on the table at
once.
This way Republicans can offer Environmentalist that for every acre of Government land needed for renewable energy power plants, transmission line easements, MagLev Train rights of way, etc. the Environmentalist can set aside a permanent no disturb acre, say in ANWR, habitat sensitive, whatever�where ever, an acre for an acre.
Next Republicans need to press for ending our dependence on all oil, both foreign and domestic, then our Nation will be Secure and Free, as will the World.
Once the GOP stops pandering to BIG OIL, everything will fall in line.
Have been Republican since I was 18, and voted for Reagan with first vote. GOP has been hi-jacked and destroyed, time for a REVOLUTION.
AN AMERICAN ENERGY REVOLUTION
This way Republicans can offer Environmentalist that for every acre of Government land needed for renewable energy power plants, transmission line easements, MagLev Train rights of way, etc. the Environmentalist can set aside a permanent no disturb acre, say in ANWR, habitat sensitive, whatever�where ever, an acre for an acre.
Next Republicans need to press for ending our dependence on all oil, both foreign and domestic, then our Nation will be Secure and Free, as will the World.
Once the GOP stops pandering to BIG OIL, everything will fall in line.
Have been Republican since I was 18, and voted for Reagan with first vote. GOP has been hi-jacked and destroyed, time for a REVOLUTION.
AN AMERICAN ENERGY REVOLUTION
End Oil Dependence | 6:41 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
WAKE UP AMERICA ---- even oil executives understand our situation
�Shell Oil Company president John Hofmeister, said that the
energy supply outlook was "sobering" and that the U.S. needed to
tackle the energy quandary with programs akin to the Manhattan Project, or
Apollo moon launch.�
Enough | 6:53 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
I've had it with Matheson towing the Democratic party line. He is supposed
to represent the people of Utah. We want something done about the cost of fuel
and he does nothing. Time to get rid of him.
Anonymous | 6:52 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
America is in crisis. Years ago Congress set a policy that forbid us to explore
for new sources of energy, increase production and distribute energy with new
technology.
Friday America wanted Congress to debate the issue, take the artificial restrictions and barriers off the books. Instead they adjourned for a vacation. We pay while they play, much like Nero fiddling around while Rome burned.
What about the Utah delegation? Our own representative Jim Matheson was the swing vote that allowed the House to cut and run.
Friday America wanted Congress to debate the issue, take the artificial restrictions and barriers off the books. Instead they adjourned for a vacation. We pay while they play, much like Nero fiddling around while Rome burned.
What about the Utah delegation? Our own representative Jim Matheson was the swing vote that allowed the House to cut and run.
Really | 7:24 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
When Utah pays higher gas prices than 45 other states our politicians should be
yelled at.
schreinervideo | 8:03 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
There IS a silver bullet. It's called driving less.
wrz | 8:27 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Democrats would not allow that, saying it would do little to lower gas prices
now and might hurt the environment. They instead pushed mostly to attack
speculation in oil markets..."
Good heavens! These turkeys have to know that the way to attack speculation is to drill... we have seen by Bush's action that even the announcement to drill will send the price of oil and gas crassion.
For this reason alone the culprits, Nancy Peloci and Hairy Reid, should be kicked out of office next election. These people are obviously ignoring the will of the people.
Good heavens! These turkeys have to know that the way to attack speculation is to drill... we have seen by Bush's action that even the announcement to drill will send the price of oil and gas crassion.
For this reason alone the culprits, Nancy Peloci and Hairy Reid, should be kicked out of office next election. These people are obviously ignoring the will of the people.
Anonymous | 8:53 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
These guys are all such incredible losers.
Ka-Ching | 9:37 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
"Big Oil has biggest quarter ever Major firms report combined profits of
more than $50B"
And it seems they are spending their windfall wisely .. buying Republicans. You do realize that oil drilled in the US isn't automatically ours right? We don't get first dibs .. it goes into the world market. You are being manipulated.
And it seems they are spending their windfall wisely .. buying Republicans. You do realize that oil drilled in the US isn't automatically ours right? We don't get first dibs .. it goes into the world market. You are being manipulated.
obtuse | 9:52 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
I'll wager that the same people that yelled at their elected officials over
high gasoline prices drove to the parade in an SUV or Truck.
It's always someone else's fault.
It's always someone else's fault.
Ka-Ching | 10:01 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Search:
As Oil Firms Seek Drilling Access, Exports Set Record
While the U.S. oil industry wants access to more federal lands to help reduce reliance on foreign suppliers, U.S.-based companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries.
A record 1.6 million barrels a day in U.S. refined petroleum products were exported during the first four months of this year, up 33 percent from 1.2 million barrels a day over the same period in 2007. Shipments this February topped 1.8 million barrels a day for the first time during any month, according to final numbers from the Energy Department.
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As Oil Firms Seek Drilling Access, Exports Set Record
While the U.S. oil industry wants access to more federal lands to help reduce reliance on foreign suppliers, U.S.-based companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries.
A record 1.6 million barrels a day in U.S. refined petroleum products were exported during the first four months of this year, up 33 percent from 1.2 million barrels a day over the same period in 2007. Shipments this February topped 1.8 million barrels a day for the first time during any month, according to final numbers from the Energy Department.
EDUCATED YOURSELVES
RC | 10:18 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
The price of gas and oil need to come down. Make no mistake we'll die as a
country if it doesn't. No one solution is the answer but a package of
solutions are. Convert 25% of US cars to natural gas over the next 3 years,
with the necessary natural gas filling stations AND require more wind farms.
Drill off shore for oil AND raise vehicle gas milage (CAFE) standards a mile a
gallon. Open up a small portion of ANWAR to drilling (say 50,000 acres) AND add
and equivilent amount of land to the wilderness system. Put in nuclear power
planta BUT reqire that they use recycling technology (like France does) in order
to reuse 80% of spent nuclear fuel. Put windfall profit taxes on "big
oil" BUT let them escape those taxes if they put thier money into
exploration, renewable energy, building more refineries and add more gas
supplies to US consumers. This way everyone gets something out of the deal and
Americans get relief from bankrupting energy prices.
Joe to St. George | 10:27 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Could you step back from your soap box for a couple of minutes and answer a few
questions:
1. Currently you can purchase one natural gas vehicle, the Honda Civic. It is the only one available. And it costs thousands more than the gasoline version or even the hybrid Civic. That being said, natural gas refueling stations, particularly in Salt Lake, have difficulty keeping up with the demand (low delivery pressure) resulting in cars being only partially fueled. Utah has the second most numerous supply of natural gas refueling stations in the nation. How, pray tell, could our infrastructure possibly keep up with a mandated 2009 deadline?
2. Are you suggesting 20% of new car sales be natural gas in 2009 in Utah or across the nation? There are a lot of places that don't have natural gas refueling.
3. The 1.8 million barrels per day savings only occurs after a sizable portion of the US automotive fleet is replaced. How many years until we reach your goal of 20% replacement overall, and what do we do in the meantime with all the cars that currently use gasoline?
1. Currently you can purchase one natural gas vehicle, the Honda Civic. It is the only one available. And it costs thousands more than the gasoline version or even the hybrid Civic. That being said, natural gas refueling stations, particularly in Salt Lake, have difficulty keeping up with the demand (low delivery pressure) resulting in cars being only partially fueled. Utah has the second most numerous supply of natural gas refueling stations in the nation. How, pray tell, could our infrastructure possibly keep up with a mandated 2009 deadline?
2. Are you suggesting 20% of new car sales be natural gas in 2009 in Utah or across the nation? There are a lot of places that don't have natural gas refueling.
3. The 1.8 million barrels per day savings only occurs after a sizable portion of the US automotive fleet is replaced. How many years until we reach your goal of 20% replacement overall, and what do we do in the meantime with all the cars that currently use gasoline?
Stewart | 10:37 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Matheson votes with Polosi and the democrats in not supporting oil shale
production. That of course in spite of the fact that there are huge reserves in
the Utah Uinta Basin which is in Matheson's congressional district. I
wonder if the voters in Vernal and Roosevelt are supporting him this year?
Joe to St George- cont | 10:39 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
4. You wish to mandate 60% of autos be electric within 10 years. Have you
noticed that there are currently virtually no electric autos available for
purchase?
5. Electric autos are based upon either lead-acid batteries (that need to be replaced about every 3 years) or possibly lithium-ion batteries (that lose half their capacity two years after manufacture). The fundamental problem is that the electric grid is unable to supply the current demand for electricity, let alone the additional demand of 60% of all vehicles. How would you address that issue, particularly when they want to run new lines through your neighborhood and build a substation just down the street from your house? Are you OK with that?
6. Power plants cost roughly $2000 per kilowatt capacity (with solar and wind being more). Your call for 200,000 megawatts of new capacity (needed for all those electric cars) will require an investment of around $400 billion dollars, so it is going to take over 4 years worth of that war money to build the power supply. Out of that total demand, how much nuclear power are you willing to accept? (or are you happy with 150,000 wind turbines)?
5. Electric autos are based upon either lead-acid batteries (that need to be replaced about every 3 years) or possibly lithium-ion batteries (that lose half their capacity two years after manufacture). The fundamental problem is that the electric grid is unable to supply the current demand for electricity, let alone the additional demand of 60% of all vehicles. How would you address that issue, particularly when they want to run new lines through your neighborhood and build a substation just down the street from your house? Are you OK with that?
6. Power plants cost roughly $2000 per kilowatt capacity (with solar and wind being more). Your call for 200,000 megawatts of new capacity (needed for all those electric cars) will require an investment of around $400 billion dollars, so it is going to take over 4 years worth of that war money to build the power supply. Out of that total demand, how much nuclear power are you willing to accept? (or are you happy with 150,000 wind turbines)?
bound and determined... | 10:45 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
to enslave us all to big, international Government. What has gone wrong with the
Democrat party? They used to be a respectable political party. Now they're
like the party of Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Vladimir Lenin. Tax big oil?
Even more? But no offshore drilling? I'm so tired of this nonsense ...Nancy
Pelosi should be in jail right now.... Andrew Jackson would have locked her in
the Capitol until they at least voted on whether to lift the ban on offshore
drilling
Joe-to St George-the end | 10:53 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Now, here is the surprising part. I don't disagree with your intended goal
of moving us away from oil. My point is simply that you cannot mandate the
solutions. We mandated ethanol in gasoline. It created a windfall for corn
suppliers, but at the expanse of raising food prices worldwide. Mandates do not
create the technology for maglev trains, etc. The government sponsored the
development of hybrid cars with the big three automakers. When the subsidies
stopped, they stopped development.
Toyota, on the other hand, fearing that the big three would develop this technology, invested their own money, time, and resources to develop their own hybrid technology. The result: Toyota developed a hybrid car that could compete in the marketplace, based upon its own merits.
Would the American public purchase an all-electric vehicle today with no government subsidies if the vehicle presented a viable solution to their transportation needs. Of course!!!
It is time to put behind us the anger and name calling. We have 2 trillion barrels of oil in oil shale in Utah, but congress won't let it be developed. We can drill for more oil, easing the transition to economically viable alternatives.
Don't limit our options.
Toyota, on the other hand, fearing that the big three would develop this technology, invested their own money, time, and resources to develop their own hybrid technology. The result: Toyota developed a hybrid car that could compete in the marketplace, based upon its own merits.
Would the American public purchase an all-electric vehicle today with no government subsidies if the vehicle presented a viable solution to their transportation needs. Of course!!!
It is time to put behind us the anger and name calling. We have 2 trillion barrels of oil in oil shale in Utah, but congress won't let it be developed. We can drill for more oil, easing the transition to economically viable alternatives.
Don't limit our options.
Baloney | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Oil companies are manipulating the prices now, in the past, and will contiue to
do so in the future no matter what the ding bats say about drill more. Theives
need to be regulated. Can you imagine what would happen if we didn't
regulate(enforcement) against bank robbers and other thieves. Whats the
difference with OIL? We better get some regulation back in alot of businesses--
Oil, Tech, communications ect. Who's trying to kid who?
djolley | 11:50 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
The corn ethanol fiasco has proven that government mandates and subsidies
don't work. We need energy in all forms to keep the economy going so that
we can afford to investigate and implement alternatives. Right now we don't
know which ones will be viable. The market will determine which are viable.
We made the transistion from horse power to steam power to oil power without government mandates and interference. Take off the shackles and let the free market work. It alone will solve this energy problem.
We made the transistion from horse power to steam power to oil power without government mandates and interference. Take off the shackles and let the free market work. It alone will solve this energy problem.
Salem to St George: | 11:56 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Stop blaming the Republicans! Which party has been in CONTROL of Congress??
The Democrats!! Put the blame where it belongs! If you think things are bad
now, just wait when Obama gets elected. But then, you will still find some way
to blame the Republicans! Right?
Don V. | 11:59 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
It's been said for many tears:
"WE get the government we deserve."
Hey, they were voted into office.
Poor politicians are voted into office by good people who didn't vote.
"WE get the government we deserve."
Hey, they were voted into office.
Poor politicians are voted into office by good people who didn't vote.
CLOWNS | 1:25 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Vote all of the CLOWNS out of the US Congress and Senate. They are all clowns
and criminals.
I wish my work had a summer recess...
I wish my work had a summer recess...
ST. GEORGE | 1:47 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Joe to St. George | 10:27 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
NO we can mandate legislation forcing conversion of older vehicles or bad mileage vehicles, this cost less than $5K per car, around $2,500 for most.
Natural gas fueling stations are unnecessary for most commuter vehicles, as 80+ percent of Americans drive less than 40 miles per day, and you can get a fueling line in your garage if you home has Natural Gas.
Funny how we can enact legislation to force people to not do drugs, to ban CFCs, to regulate alcohol, to stop spitting on the sidewalk, to up end the US Constitution (for �National Security�), to infringe upon the right to bear arms, to infringe upon private property and development rights ALL FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PUBLIC.
However, when it comes to ISSUE#1 to save our Nation, Environment, and Economy, we cannot impose upon the use of burning oil for transportation fuel.
Wonder why? Think Big Oil, Bush/Cheney, GOP controlled Congress!
I am a Republican that can see and admit the Truth --- time for more of you to do the same.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
NO we can mandate legislation forcing conversion of older vehicles or bad mileage vehicles, this cost less than $5K per car, around $2,500 for most.
Natural gas fueling stations are unnecessary for most commuter vehicles, as 80+ percent of Americans drive less than 40 miles per day, and you can get a fueling line in your garage if you home has Natural Gas.
Funny how we can enact legislation to force people to not do drugs, to ban CFCs, to regulate alcohol, to stop spitting on the sidewalk, to up end the US Constitution (for �National Security�), to infringe upon the right to bear arms, to infringe upon private property and development rights ALL FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PUBLIC.
However, when it comes to ISSUE#1 to save our Nation, Environment, and Economy, we cannot impose upon the use of burning oil for transportation fuel.
Wonder why? Think Big Oil, Bush/Cheney, GOP controlled Congress!
I am a Republican that can see and admit the Truth --- time for more of you to do the same.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
ST. GEORGE | 2:00 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Joe to St George- cont | 10:39 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Currently there are 10 US made electric cars to chose from $109K to $40K, by the end of 2010 many more will be available.
Instead of subsidizing BIG OIL/the Oil Based Economy, use the $400 Billion cost for 4 years of the Iraq war to build 200,000 megawatts of renewable energy power plants.
Point is AFFORDABLE SUSTAINABLE OIL within the USA IS GONE, we used ours up since WWII. Time to face facts admit the truth and do something.
Listen to Oil executives, T. Boone Pickens, swallow your pride (as a Republican) and admit Al Gore is correct, concede the Energy issue and get on with passing legislation that moves our transportation sector off oil within 10 years.
Necessity is the MOTHER OF ALL INVENTION, this is true whether a false or real necessity, a Government mandate for electric vehicles within 10 years will force the auto makers to invest and provide the solution, or open the field to VCs that will invest and provide the solution--- I would call the US Auto Market incentive enough for capitalism to work its magic, once the mandate is in place.
Currently there are 10 US made electric cars to chose from $109K to $40K, by the end of 2010 many more will be available.
Instead of subsidizing BIG OIL/the Oil Based Economy, use the $400 Billion cost for 4 years of the Iraq war to build 200,000 megawatts of renewable energy power plants.
Point is AFFORDABLE SUSTAINABLE OIL within the USA IS GONE, we used ours up since WWII. Time to face facts admit the truth and do something.
Listen to Oil executives, T. Boone Pickens, swallow your pride (as a Republican) and admit Al Gore is correct, concede the Energy issue and get on with passing legislation that moves our transportation sector off oil within 10 years.
Necessity is the MOTHER OF ALL INVENTION, this is true whether a false or real necessity, a Government mandate for electric vehicles within 10 years will force the auto makers to invest and provide the solution, or open the field to VCs that will invest and provide the solution--- I would call the US Auto Market incentive enough for capitalism to work its magic, once the mandate is in place.
ST. GEORGE | 2:12 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Salem to St George: | 11:56 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Who set the SECRET ENERGY POLICY FOR THE PAST 7.5 YEARS? Who had both houses of Congress? Who squandered our good economy, global good will, and opportunity to wean ourselves off oil?
What did the GOP do when the controlled the whole shebang? The let Newt make a pact, the went to war, they made a secret pact with Big Oil.
I lived in Las Vegas, NV during 2000 election, Bush was loosing due to his support for Yucca Mountain, two weeks before the election he signs a letter to people of Nevada saying �I oppose Yucca Mountain, and we will find another solution.� Then at the end a disclaimer �Unless the scientist can show through sound science Yucca Mountain is safe.�
Bush carried Nevada and its electorial votes, which even with the Florida rigging would have handed the White House to Gore, Nevada decided the election.
Low and behold two months later, Bush supports Yucca Mountain due to �Sound Science saying it is safe.�
Anyone who lies to get into office is going to be a poor and self interested leader.
Who set the SECRET ENERGY POLICY FOR THE PAST 7.5 YEARS? Who had both houses of Congress? Who squandered our good economy, global good will, and opportunity to wean ourselves off oil?
What did the GOP do when the controlled the whole shebang? The let Newt make a pact, the went to war, they made a secret pact with Big Oil.
I lived in Las Vegas, NV during 2000 election, Bush was loosing due to his support for Yucca Mountain, two weeks before the election he signs a letter to people of Nevada saying �I oppose Yucca Mountain, and we will find another solution.� Then at the end a disclaimer �Unless the scientist can show through sound science Yucca Mountain is safe.�
Bush carried Nevada and its electorial votes, which even with the Florida rigging would have handed the White House to Gore, Nevada decided the election.
Low and behold two months later, Bush supports Yucca Mountain due to �Sound Science saying it is safe.�
Anyone who lies to get into office is going to be a poor and self interested leader.
ST. GEORGE | 2:18 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Salem to St George: | 11:56 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
I love the GOP and am proud to be a Republican --- I just know something has run a foul for the past 7.5 years and the GOP is not the GOP of the past.
Utah�s Republican representative have done nothing but toe the party line, and seek favor with the party. They seek to get some huge and economic windfall benefit to our State through our continued reliance on OIL, because of the shale oil deposits in our State. Why keep us slaves to something controlled by evil groups and individuals.
The fault of current GAS Prices rest squarely on the GOP, for they have used the past 7.5 years to try to break into ANWR, to ensure our reliance of OIL, to ensure the profitability of BIG OIL. The GOP has done nothing but lip service to the solution to our National Security, Economic well being, and our Energy Independence.
I love the GOP and am proud to be a Republican --- I just know something has run a foul for the past 7.5 years and the GOP is not the GOP of the past.
Utah�s Republican representative have done nothing but toe the party line, and seek favor with the party. They seek to get some huge and economic windfall benefit to our State through our continued reliance on OIL, because of the shale oil deposits in our State. Why keep us slaves to something controlled by evil groups and individuals.
The fault of current GAS Prices rest squarely on the GOP, for they have used the past 7.5 years to try to break into ANWR, to ensure our reliance of OIL, to ensure the profitability of BIG OIL. The GOP has done nothing but lip service to the solution to our National Security, Economic well being, and our Energy Independence.
ST. GEORGE | 2:30 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Baloney | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Correct, they regulate electricity, natural gas, and other public utilities, WHY NOT OIL?
MAYBE WE SHOULD NATIONALIZE BIG OIL, OR AT THE VERY LEAST REGULATE IT LIKE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES.
BY THE WAY, WHY NOT MANDATE ALL OIL RECOVERED FROM USA SOURCES BE SOLD ONLY IN THE USA?
Correct, they regulate electricity, natural gas, and other public utilities, WHY NOT OIL?
MAYBE WE SHOULD NATIONALIZE BIG OIL, OR AT THE VERY LEAST REGULATE IT LIKE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES.
BY THE WAY, WHY NOT MANDATE ALL OIL RECOVERED FROM USA SOURCES BE SOLD ONLY IN THE USA?
stevo | 2:30 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
drill here,drill now,sell the oil to China!
ST. GEORGE | 2:51 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
wrz | 8:27 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Good heavens! These turkeys have to know that the way to attack speculation is to drill... we have seen by Bush's action that even the announcement to drill will send the price of oil and gas crassion.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE OIL PRICES FALL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, just have congress pass legislation saving 9.2 Million Barrels Per Day---3 times more than ANWR and Outer Shelf combined.
SEE POST ST. GEORGE | 5:45 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008 ABOVE
Good heavens! These turkeys have to know that the way to attack speculation is to drill... we have seen by Bush's action that even the announcement to drill will send the price of oil and gas crassion.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE OIL PRICES FALL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, just have congress pass legislation saving 9.2 Million Barrels Per Day---3 times more than ANWR and Outer Shelf combined.
SEE POST ST. GEORGE | 5:45 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008 ABOVE
To St George | 3:39 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
You're off your meds again. Can you please site your sources? And not Daily Kos, or other leftwing wacko site.
Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
Lower Prices | 3:42 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Yes, if we start developing our oil resources now, it will take a few years - perhaps as few as two - to actually see it in the marketplace.
HOWEVER, if the US really showed a determination today to recover those resources, you'd see prices lower then a snake's tummy tomorrow.
Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
Dave | 3:53 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
There are some things that can be done to reduce the price of oil now (though
not enough, quickly enough) and help us as a nation become less dependent on oil
in the future. The real frustrating thing is that congress is more concerned
with the blame game, and trying to block the other party's efforts, not
allow the other party any amount of success...political parties are primarily
interested in power.
Who has enough courage to vote out incumbents and get some fresh blood in congress that will actually listen and do? Political power, longevity in politics, lobbyists, etc are hurting our country. Taxes are too high, national government is drawing too much money to Washington where too many decisions (bad decisions) are being pushed upon us. National government is becoming too powerful.
My vote is for those who are sincerely interested in solving problems, limiting government, lowering taxes, eliminating bad programs that are bankrupting our country, and returning some powers to the states and local communities.
Lastly, you can hardly tell a Republican from a democrat anymore. Both spend like there is no tomorrow. Both love power more than serving the people. They seem to love themselves.
Who has enough courage to vote out incumbents and get some fresh blood in congress that will actually listen and do? Political power, longevity in politics, lobbyists, etc are hurting our country. Taxes are too high, national government is drawing too much money to Washington where too many decisions (bad decisions) are being pushed upon us. National government is becoming too powerful.
My vote is for those who are sincerely interested in solving problems, limiting government, lowering taxes, eliminating bad programs that are bankrupting our country, and returning some powers to the states and local communities.
Lastly, you can hardly tell a Republican from a democrat anymore. Both spend like there is no tomorrow. Both love power more than serving the people. They seem to love themselves.
wrz | 3:56 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
ST. GEORGE | 2:51 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
>>>IF YOU WANT TO SEE OIL PRICES FALL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, just have congress pass legislation saving 9.2 Million Barrels Per Day---3 times more than ANWR and Outer Shelf combined. SEE POST ST. GEORGE | 5:45 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008 ABOVE<<<
If you want to legislatively mandate auto manufacture, you may as well nationalize all energy production.
There is substantial evidence that much of the recent price run-up is from futures speculation. Announcing drilling will drive futures traders out of the market reducing prices in the near term. Which, in turn, will spur the economy back to good numbers. Dems don't want to run the risk of this happening on Bush's watch. They are not averse to making us suffer until January.
The irony is that Peloci/Reid say they want to solve the problem by attacking speculation... But they can't see that announcing more drilling (and more nuke power, tar sands, shale oil, etc.) will accomplish just that. Bunch of dummies... or in bed with Al Gore and other nut-case environmentalists. Probably the latter.
>>>IF YOU WANT TO SEE OIL PRICES FALL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, just have congress pass legislation saving 9.2 Million Barrels Per Day---3 times more than ANWR and Outer Shelf combined. SEE POST ST. GEORGE | 5:45 a.m. Aug. 2, 2008 ABOVE<<<
If you want to legislatively mandate auto manufacture, you may as well nationalize all energy production.
There is substantial evidence that much of the recent price run-up is from futures speculation. Announcing drilling will drive futures traders out of the market reducing prices in the near term. Which, in turn, will spur the economy back to good numbers. Dems don't want to run the risk of this happening on Bush's watch. They are not averse to making us suffer until January.
The irony is that Peloci/Reid say they want to solve the problem by attacking speculation... But they can't see that announcing more drilling (and more nuke power, tar sands, shale oil, etc.) will accomplish just that. Bunch of dummies... or in bed with Al Gore and other nut-case environmentalists. Probably the latter.
Ka-Ching | 4:15 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
Horse pukuky, you want sources? You have been given them. Some more:
Search Yahoo News: Bush pushes offshore drilling
"Bush acknowledged it would be years before any of the oil beneath the offshore waters could be pumped, but he said "lifting the ban would create new opportunities for American workers and businessmen.""
And he mean't BUSINESSMEN, oil corp business men to be exact .. they want to continue to rob the treasury even after they are gone.
"Most energy experts and the government's own research agency at the Energy Department have said drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf, which is now off-limits, would have no impact on current gasoline prices and probably would have none for years."
It's NOT our oil once we lease it to them, it becomes whomever pays the highest price for its oil. Stop being manipulated!! They continue their "fearmongering for dollars" that got us into a war that has benefited nobody but war profiters.
Horse pukuky, you want sources? You have been given them. Some more:
Search Yahoo News: Bush pushes offshore drilling
"Bush acknowledged it would be years before any of the oil beneath the offshore waters could be pumped, but he said "lifting the ban would create new opportunities for American workers and businessmen.""
And he mean't BUSINESSMEN, oil corp business men to be exact .. they want to continue to rob the treasury even after they are gone.
"Most energy experts and the government's own research agency at the Energy Department have said drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf, which is now off-limits, would have no impact on current gasoline prices and probably would have none for years."
It's NOT our oil once we lease it to them, it becomes whomever pays the highest price for its oil. Stop being manipulated!! They continue their "fearmongering for dollars" that got us into a war that has benefited nobody but war profiters.
Chemical Engineer | 4:33 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Don't believe anything the news tells you. You can get oil from the ground
to the pump in less than a year.
Yes less than a Year!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes less than a Year!!!!!!!!!!!
Chemical Engineer | 4:41 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Another true fact:
There is no conclusive evidence that man causes global warming in fact there is plenty of evidence that we have nothing to do with it. The sun works just like a light that can get brighter and darker. The sun right now is getting slightly brighter. Ask yourself what gives off more heat a dark dim light or a very bright light.
Pelosi is not saving the planet she is ruining the economy for nothing. In ten years when we all realize the the Earth has not warmed we should hold a post WWII like trial and punish Al Gore, Pelosi and all their friends. Of course the economy may be in ruin then and global warming will be the farthest thing from out minds. To prove a point the hottest year on record is 1934. If there was such a thing a global warming it would be 2007. 1934 would not even register. 1934 happened long before the world started using a tons of carbon to power homes and cars.
There is no conclusive evidence that man causes global warming in fact there is plenty of evidence that we have nothing to do with it. The sun works just like a light that can get brighter and darker. The sun right now is getting slightly brighter. Ask yourself what gives off more heat a dark dim light or a very bright light.
Pelosi is not saving the planet she is ruining the economy for nothing. In ten years when we all realize the the Earth has not warmed we should hold a post WWII like trial and punish Al Gore, Pelosi and all their friends. Of course the economy may be in ruin then and global warming will be the farthest thing from out minds. To prove a point the hottest year on record is 1934. If there was such a thing a global warming it would be 2007. 1934 would not even register. 1934 happened long before the world started using a tons of carbon to power homes and cars.
Chemical Engineer | 4:54 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
If you want to learn the truth about global warming google: Maunder Minimum
It is the point at which the sun is at its dimmest it will last that way for about 70 years and then it heats up for about 200-300 years. The Vikings were able to farm Greenland when the sun was at its hottest point.
We can't farm Greenland now, why? Becasue it is too cold.
Ask yourself were the Vikings burning fossil fuels to heat up the Earth so they could farm Greenland?
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Gore and Pelosi and any other greeny out there go to school and learn some real science. You have no idea what you are talking about.
It is the point at which the sun is at its dimmest it will last that way for about 70 years and then it heats up for about 200-300 years. The Vikings were able to farm Greenland when the sun was at its hottest point.
We can't farm Greenland now, why? Becasue it is too cold.
Ask yourself were the Vikings burning fossil fuels to heat up the Earth so they could farm Greenland?
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Gore and Pelosi and any other greeny out there go to school and learn some real science. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Love2Teach | 5:11 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
There are capped wells off our coasts that could be up and running within a
year. We could definitely implement change and shut down most of the
speculation! Unfortunately, the democrats have controlled congress from 1954
until 1995. They have created much of the problems we now experience. The
offshore drilling ban was implemented through their efforts (in 1981). Lest I
confunse with too many facts...drilling technology has advanced tremendously
(just like all forms of technology--did you use the internet in 1981?). It is
now possible to drill horizontally along with many other new and safer
strategies.
It seems they are stuck in the past...which is why Congresses recent Rasmussen approval rating was 9%. They must be doing something right...
It seems they are stuck in the past...which is why Congresses recent Rasmussen approval rating was 9%. They must be doing something right...
ST. GEORGE | 7:33 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
wrz | 3:56 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
NO OFFENSE, but I like the mandate and getting off oil, much better than your supply side solution. It is time to go in a new direction, 30+ years since the 70�s oil embargo with no solutions shows BIG OIL is in it for profit and nothing else.
We need a solution that offers National Security, Long Term Economic Prosperity, Job Creation that cannot be outsourced overseas.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
NO OFFENSE, but I like the mandate and getting off oil, much better than your supply side solution. It is time to go in a new direction, 30+ years since the 70�s oil embargo with no solutions shows BIG OIL is in it for profit and nothing else.
We need a solution that offers National Security, Long Term Economic Prosperity, Job Creation that cannot be outsourced overseas.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
ST. GEORGE | 7:38 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
To St George | 3:39 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Search Energy Information Agency Department of Energy petroleum products consumption, then go look up the estimates of 1.4 MBPD from ANWR drilling and 2 MBPD from Outer Shelf drilling.
YOU CAN DO THE RESEARCH AND EDUCATE YOURSELF, instead of faithfully following the GOP Propaganda. Not a hard thing to do.
Search Energy Information Agency Department of Energy petroleum products consumption, then go look up the estimates of 1.4 MBPD from ANWR drilling and 2 MBPD from Outer Shelf drilling.
YOU CAN DO THE RESEARCH AND EDUCATE YOURSELF, instead of faithfully following the GOP Propaganda. Not a hard thing to do.
wrz | 7:41 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Ka-Ching | 4:15 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
"Search Yahoo News: Bush pushes offshore drilling
"Bush acknowledged it would be years before any of the oil beneath the offshore waters could be pumped, but he said 'lifting the ban would create new opportunities for American workers and businessmen. And he mean't BUSINESSMEN, oil corp business men to be exact .. they want to continue to rob the treasury even after they are gone.'"
Businessmen? Who would you suggest develop oil resource? Non-businessmen? China? Cuba? Who?
"Most energy experts and the government's own research agency at the Energy Department have said drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf, which is now off-limits, would have no impact on current gasoline prices and probably would have none for years."
Too funny. Bush lifted the Executive Department ban on drilling... And prices immediately took a nose dive. Why? It scared the pants off speculators and they bailed.
Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
"Search Yahoo News: Bush pushes offshore drilling
"Bush acknowledged it would be years before any of the oil beneath the offshore waters could be pumped, but he said 'lifting the ban would create new opportunities for American workers and businessmen. And he mean't BUSINESSMEN, oil corp business men to be exact .. they want to continue to rob the treasury even after they are gone.'"
Businessmen? Who would you suggest develop oil resource? Non-businessmen? China? Cuba? Who?
"Most energy experts and the government's own research agency at the Energy Department have said drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf, which is now off-limits, would have no impact on current gasoline prices and probably would have none for years."
Too funny. Bush lifted the Executive Department ban on drilling... And prices immediately took a nose dive. Why? It scared the pants off speculators and they bailed.
ST. GEORGE | 7:42 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
All the brainwashed DRILL HERE DRILL NOW people please search Pickens Plan.
You will here it straight forward from an OILMAN. You people along with the GOP and Big Oil will destroy this Nation, if you insist on sending $700 Billion to other Countries, friendly or not.
$700 Billion could fund an AMERICAN ENERGY REVOLUTION that ends up with our Nation being self sufficient on renewable clean energy, with new industries and high paying jobs that can only be done by someone living in America.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
You will here it straight forward from an OILMAN. You people along with the GOP and Big Oil will destroy this Nation, if you insist on sending $700 Billion to other Countries, friendly or not.
$700 Billion could fund an AMERICAN ENERGY REVOLUTION that ends up with our Nation being self sufficient on renewable clean energy, with new industries and high paying jobs that can only be done by someone living in America.
VOTE ONLY FOR THOSE WHO PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
wrz | 7:47 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
ST. GEORGE | 2:12 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
"Who set the SECRET ENERGY POLICY FOR THE PAST 7.5 YEARS? Who had both houses of Congress? Who squandered our good economy, global good will, and opportunity to wean ourselves off oil?"
Who controlled both houses of Congress for the last two years when oil/gas started sky-rocketing and the dollar took a nose dive?
"Who set the SECRET ENERGY POLICY FOR THE PAST 7.5 YEARS? Who had both houses of Congress? Who squandered our good economy, global good will, and opportunity to wean ourselves off oil?"
Who controlled both houses of Congress for the last two years when oil/gas started sky-rocketing and the dollar took a nose dive?
wrz | 8:00 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
ST. GEORGE | 7:42 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
All the brainwashed DRILL HERE DRILL NOW people please search Pickens Plan."
"Drill here, drill now" is to give speculators, who ran oil/gas up, a black eye. And it will. And it will bring speculation-driven prices down. Then we can move into Pickens' plan and beyond. We need to use all the energy resources that we can get out hands on right now and in the future.
All the brainwashed DRILL HERE DRILL NOW people please search Pickens Plan."
"Drill here, drill now" is to give speculators, who ran oil/gas up, a black eye. And it will. And it will bring speculation-driven prices down. Then we can move into Pickens' plan and beyond. We need to use all the energy resources that we can get out hands on right now and in the future.
Why Is It | 8:35 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
That the media does not report that the energy bill the Reps wanted to pass had
another item with it involving nueclear waste disposal. How about one item at a
time legislators and maybe ytou can pass something, but to put other items in
these bills all the time is ruining the system. Wake up idiots and think about
us the people for once instead of yourselfs with your self supporting item
injections into all of these bills. I'm sick of these grey beards, throw
out every single incumbent out in these next 2 elections please voters.
Don't blame the oil company!!! | 8:49 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
They are privately owned and government does not have a right to their money,
and that is what bothers our politicians, all that money, and it isn't
theirs. See they want to take away that money from the big companies, not just
oil and give it to all those people who love to let our taxes support them, such
as the FLDS group and so many more. I had heard about the profit and found this
information that I am cutting and pasting.
Better to look at their gross margins. Gross profit divided by gross revenues. In "bad" times (when oil was at $20 a barrel, their margins are probably around 2-3%. In "good" times it may be as high as 8-9%. Compared to Microsoft which has gross margins in the 25-30% range.
People, 8-9% profit is not a lot of money, and these companies put out a heck of a lot of costs. Can you imagine if they were to be like Microsoft and get 25% profit, your gas would be very high. When it was $20 a barrel, we were the ones profiting and not the oil companies, and they are not doing much better than that now.
Better to look at their gross margins. Gross profit divided by gross revenues. In "bad" times (when oil was at $20 a barrel, their margins are probably around 2-3%. In "good" times it may be as high as 8-9%. Compared to Microsoft which has gross margins in the 25-30% range.
People, 8-9% profit is not a lot of money, and these companies put out a heck of a lot of costs. Can you imagine if they were to be like Microsoft and get 25% profit, your gas would be very high. When it was $20 a barrel, we were the ones profiting and not the oil companies, and they are not doing much better than that now.
Query | 8:49 p.m. Aug. 2, 2008
Who has any ideas about what our government could do that would lower gasoline
(petroleum fuel) prices in the short term (meaning next five years)? Releases
from the strategic oil preserve would only have a fleeting impact (a few weeks
at most). Beginning to drill for oil -- lots of sites are currently available
-- won't add oil to the available market for nearly ten years. Opening
up off-limit sites such as ANWAR won't change the short term equation. So
what do we do now?
Many poor countries are using government subsidies to make oil products available for their citizens. The US economy is deeply in debt, and stalled. Government subsidies don't make sense right now.
We are finding ourselves paying the unavoidable consequences of failure of leadership for the last 20 years. We had an opportunity to be prepared for this challenge, yet we elected a congress that let big business dictate policy. Let's put the responsibility for this where it belongs -- on the electorate.
We need a national LESSONS LEARNED SEMINAR which leads to a national consensus on a pro-active energy policy.
Many poor countries are using government subsidies to make oil products available for their citizens. The US economy is deeply in debt, and stalled. Government subsidies don't make sense right now.
We are finding ourselves paying the unavoidable consequences of failure of leadership for the last 20 years. We had an opportunity to be prepared for this challenge, yet we elected a congress that let big business dictate policy. Let's put the responsibility for this where it belongs -- on the electorate.
We need a national LESSONS LEARNED SEMINAR which leads to a national consensus on a pro-active energy policy.
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