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Capt. Smash | 9:58 a.m. July 28, 2008
Utah's brain washing continues sponsored by Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush
Limbaugh and Utah's Right Wing Public Radio.
The majority of Utah people do not know how to investigate and learn for there own insight. Everything that the media outlets listed above presents to America it must be gospel. If Obama was Japanese 55% of the Utah people would believe it. As long as Fox News, Rush and Sean said it�s true.
Further, if you ask them how do they know that? They would say I read on the internet or I heard it on Fox News. Those people are so closed minded they refuse to listen to another view point. Fox News wants to demonize Obama as someone evil and out of touch with America and someone who is un-patriotic. So of course; a lot of Americans and Utahans just follow along with the crowd and say, OK, Dah, Ok.
Thank God some Americans will at least give this man a fair chance to make his case for the presidency of the United States of America.
Obama 08/12
The majority of Utah people do not know how to investigate and learn for there own insight. Everything that the media outlets listed above presents to America it must be gospel. If Obama was Japanese 55% of the Utah people would believe it. As long as Fox News, Rush and Sean said it�s true.
Further, if you ask them how do they know that? They would say I read on the internet or I heard it on Fox News. Those people are so closed minded they refuse to listen to another view point. Fox News wants to demonize Obama as someone evil and out of touch with America and someone who is un-patriotic. So of course; a lot of Americans and Utahans just follow along with the crowd and say, OK, Dah, Ok.
Thank God some Americans will at least give this man a fair chance to make his case for the presidency of the United States of America.
Obama 08/12
Capt. Smash | 10:09 a.m. July 28, 2008
WE PULLED OUT OF VIETNAM, NOW THEY ARE A PEACEFUL COUNTRY!
We can not force our ideology on other countries beliefs; it has been proven trough out history! If you want to use nukes and wipe out most of the population like we did in Japan it may work but the rest of the world would not stand for it!
The only reason BUSH and MCWAR wants to stay in Iraq is for the oil. That is the only reason they can care less about the Iraqi people. As far as they are concerned they would put them all on reservations and casinos if they could get away with it.
We can not force our ideology on other countries beliefs; it has been proven trough out history! If you want to use nukes and wipe out most of the population like we did in Japan it may work but the rest of the world would not stand for it!
The only reason BUSH and MCWAR wants to stay in Iraq is for the oil. That is the only reason they can care less about the Iraqi people. As far as they are concerned they would put them all on reservations and casinos if they could get away with it.
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Anonymous | 10:16 a.m. July 28, 2008
I see the usual freaked-out Limbaughites are at it again.
Blaming their bad hair day on "the liberals."
Blaming their bad hair day on "the liberals."
Devilion | 11:51 a.m. July 28, 2008
If I'm over here fighting for oil why are you paying $4.00 a gallon or more
for gas?
Yeah Vietnam is peaceful now they only killed three million of thier own people to get there. Nice point you got there.
"Bad hair day on Liberals" Huh... you know I like that it's funny. I'm sporting a regulation High and Tight right now. So you can imagine I don't get very many bad hair days.
Anonymous and Capt. Smash sure are right I'm back ward guy. Eagle Scout, College degree, wearing Army green throw back to when honor and duty meant some thing. Oh Wait there are 130,000 over here right now, guess I'm not too out of Date.
I'm impressed with how much power they tend to think a President has. One man can control our whole economy and wage war all on his own. Oh wait that's right Congress authorized troop movement in this war. Both R and D sides of the isle.
Yeah Vietnam is peaceful now they only killed three million of thier own people to get there. Nice point you got there.
"Bad hair day on Liberals" Huh... you know I like that it's funny. I'm sporting a regulation High and Tight right now. So you can imagine I don't get very many bad hair days.
Anonymous and Capt. Smash sure are right I'm back ward guy. Eagle Scout, College degree, wearing Army green throw back to when honor and duty meant some thing. Oh Wait there are 130,000 over here right now, guess I'm not too out of Date.
I'm impressed with how much power they tend to think a President has. One man can control our whole economy and wage war all on his own. Oh wait that's right Congress authorized troop movement in this war. Both R and D sides of the isle.
Anonymous | 12:28 p.m. July 28, 2008
Vietnam was supposed to rid the world of "The Red Menace" (don't
politicians love ideological references?)
Well, it didn't work.
Vietnam today is 1000% communistic and is now trading partners with the U.S.
What can you say!?
It's a wacky world!
Well, it didn't work.
Vietnam today is 1000% communistic and is now trading partners with the U.S.
What can you say!?
It's a wacky world!
Capt. Smash | 12:30 p.m. July 28, 2008
Devilion:
Thank You for your service to this country. You must take a hard look at what we are doing in Iraq.
This was the biggest blunder in the history of American foreign policy since we became a country. This alone is grounds for Impeachment of President Bush. When we invaded Iraq we destroyed the balance of Power in the Middle East. Saddam Hussein was keeping Iran in check for the last 20 years. This is why Bush #1 did not go into Baghdad in 1991 he and his staff new this. Our invasion really destroyed any hope for peace in the Middle East. There were other ways of dealing with him that were a lot less expensive and did not cost American lives.
Thank You for your service to this country. You must take a hard look at what we are doing in Iraq.
This was the biggest blunder in the history of American foreign policy since we became a country. This alone is grounds for Impeachment of President Bush. When we invaded Iraq we destroyed the balance of Power in the Middle East. Saddam Hussein was keeping Iran in check for the last 20 years. This is why Bush #1 did not go into Baghdad in 1991 he and his staff new this. Our invasion really destroyed any hope for peace in the Middle East. There were other ways of dealing with him that were a lot less expensive and did not cost American lives.
Tommie | 2:24 p.m. July 28, 2008
To all of you who still are against this war:
You will find any excuse to say that America didn't do a good thing, and you really think for a second that the violence would have gone down without American help, you are crazy. The religious sects would still be fighting for country of the country, and those fights wouldn't have stopped if we hadn't pursuaded them to work together. Iraq's future looks bright, there is no need to sit and write bogus garbage about how America is evil, what we did was good.
And just for the record, 9/11 was not a conspiracy, because mr. or ms. "to war supporters", unlike you believe, Bush isn't stupid, if the whole thing was a conspiracy, he would have blamed Iraq, but he didn't, that's why we are in Afganistan. Bush is hero, and I will always consider him as such.
You will find any excuse to say that America didn't do a good thing, and you really think for a second that the violence would have gone down without American help, you are crazy. The religious sects would still be fighting for country of the country, and those fights wouldn't have stopped if we hadn't pursuaded them to work together. Iraq's future looks bright, there is no need to sit and write bogus garbage about how America is evil, what we did was good.
And just for the record, 9/11 was not a conspiracy, because mr. or ms. "to war supporters", unlike you believe, Bush isn't stupid, if the whole thing was a conspiracy, he would have blamed Iraq, but he didn't, that's why we are in Afganistan. Bush is hero, and I will always consider him as such.
Capt. Smash | 2:28 p.m. July 28, 2008
The one thing about Saddam Hussein he took no bull from any of those people that
are controlling Iraq now! Yes he was a nasty dictator that used the chemical
weapons that the US gave him back in the 80�s to kill
Kurdish threats and Iranian Solders. You see Saddam Hussein seen these people as
threats to has regime and government, he knew how to handle these people.
Further, Iran was scared to death of him and did not dare to step foot Iraq. We
could have used Saddam Hussein as a puppet if we were smart! We could have paid
him to do our dirty work with Al Qaeda and Iran like we did in
80�s when Reagan was president. Bush does not know how to
think on that level he is to arrogant and such a not it all; to know he had
everything going for him after 9/11.
Capt. Smash | 2:28 p.m. July 28, 2008
You see by keeping Saddam Hussein in power until we got off of fossil fuels
would have been the smart and prudent thing to do. We could have positioned
ourselves to deal with him on another level at a different time. Bush just made
the most bone-headed foreign policy mistake in our countries history hopefully
the next president can get us out of this mess.
Devilion | 2:26 p.m. July 28, 2008
Biggest Blunder? Hmmm I can think of one even larger. The war of 1812, you know
the one were we didn't have an Army or Navy to speak of?
If we as a people are going to blame this on the President we should also get rid of every Congressman and woman, every senator who said yes to going into Iraq. After all they also looked at the same reports that sent us in. They should be limited on thier trems just like the President.
People in the US don't get it. We are winning, the surge worked. It's all these arm chair generals back home that have this whole thing messed. Up I have yet to meet any reporter who didn't spin the truth anyway they wanted. Thier whole point is to make money.
I'm not R or D, but I tell you if Obama get into office he will be worse then Clinton. The liberals all want the Army to stay in the US, and to disarm the people. Clinton cut the Army almost in half that's why it's hard to find people now.
You still didn't answer my question I noticed.
If we as a people are going to blame this on the President we should also get rid of every Congressman and woman, every senator who said yes to going into Iraq. After all they also looked at the same reports that sent us in. They should be limited on thier trems just like the President.
People in the US don't get it. We are winning, the surge worked. It's all these arm chair generals back home that have this whole thing messed. Up I have yet to meet any reporter who didn't spin the truth anyway they wanted. Thier whole point is to make money.
I'm not R or D, but I tell you if Obama get into office he will be worse then Clinton. The liberals all want the Army to stay in the US, and to disarm the people. Clinton cut the Army almost in half that's why it's hard to find people now.
You still didn't answer my question I noticed.
Tommie | 2:44 p.m. July 28, 2008
to Capt. Smash:
How you can call Hussein a good man, I don't know, I guess liberals are even more screwed up than I thought.
How you can call Hussein a good man, I don't know, I guess liberals are even more screwed up than I thought.
Capt. Smash | 2:51 p.m. July 28, 2008
If we as a people are going to blame this on the President we should also get
rid of every Congressman and woman, every senator who said yes to going into
Iraq.
Devilion: I would agree with you except on one point the Bush and his VP, sold congress a bag fake intel on the threat of WMD's.
It has been documeted they wanted to drum up support by providing fake intel reports to sell congress and the American people.
Devilion: I would agree with you except on one point the Bush and his VP, sold congress a bag fake intel on the threat of WMD's.
It has been documeted they wanted to drum up support by providing fake intel reports to sell congress and the American people.
Capt. Smash | 3:02 p.m. July 28, 2008
Tommie can you read? When did I ever say Saddam Hussein was a good man? You see
what I mean. try to educate yourself on issues, quit listening to Rush, Sean and
Fox News you sound just like one of them. Try to think on a higher level. They
have brain washed you to the point you can't even think on your own.
Anonymous | 3:12 p.m. July 28, 2008
The neocons are trying to pull the same BS that they pulled in Vietnam.
All is fine. Nothing is going wrong. Send in more troops. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab. God bless America.
Ever wonder why the neocon Cheney/Bush administration has not initiated the draft?
All is fine. Nothing is going wrong. Send in more troops. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab. God bless America.
Ever wonder why the neocon Cheney/Bush administration has not initiated the draft?
Devilion | 3:24 p.m. July 28, 2008
Funny thing about WMD's it seems unless it's a nuke doesn't
count. I mean we found 16 metric tons of VX but I guess that's not a nuke
so doesn't count.
So it's been Documented that there were fake intel reports huh? Where are these documents? What about the British reports, where they also fake?
You know Capt. Smash (Don't know where you got your comission) if tried to buy off the bad guys like you said Europe would all speak German. Oh and that little thing about 12 million dead jews that would be much much higher.
So it's been Documented that there were fake intel reports huh? Where are these documents? What about the British reports, where they also fake?
You know Capt. Smash (Don't know where you got your comission) if tried to buy off the bad guys like you said Europe would all speak German. Oh and that little thing about 12 million dead jews that would be much much higher.
Devilion | 3:35 p.m. July 28, 2008
capt. Smash you forgot to mention the 160,000 plus Iraqi not kurdish people he
killed. We are still finding his victims.
Devilion | 3:40 p.m. July 28, 2008
Becuase Anonymous I don't want the same libes they had to deal with in
Vietnam standing the line with me. We walked in willing and signed on the defend
every American even the ones who give lips service to counrty.
As far a renewable resources, the US will change to that when it can compete with fossil fuel. Solar and Wind still cost much more per kilowatt then coal or oil.
People are smart. Once those are cheeper they will switch. Easy. It's called a free market.
As far a renewable resources, the US will change to that when it can compete with fossil fuel. Solar and Wind still cost much more per kilowatt then coal or oil.
People are smart. Once those are cheeper they will switch. Easy. It's called a free market.
Capt. Smash | 4:11 p.m. July 28, 2008
Devilion:
I bet you did know that we are the ones that gave Saddam Hussein his Chem. weapons back in the eighties. Guess who? Try Ron Reagan, he sold Saddam Hussein WMD's to fight Iran. As far as the 160,00 Kurds; how many Iraqi's do think have died since our ocupation of this country? The number of Iraqi's that have died will blow your mind.
Your oil issue that you want to talk about is the main reson you are paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas today. Can you remember what you were paying before this stupid war?
What about taking care of the earth as God wants us to do, you know the enviornment, global warming. Do you care at about the earth are just your truck or SUV. What do you think God wants us to do? Have you looked outside your window at the air we take into our bodies everyday.
I bet you did know that we are the ones that gave Saddam Hussein his Chem. weapons back in the eighties. Guess who? Try Ron Reagan, he sold Saddam Hussein WMD's to fight Iran. As far as the 160,00 Kurds; how many Iraqi's do think have died since our ocupation of this country? The number of Iraqi's that have died will blow your mind.
Your oil issue that you want to talk about is the main reson you are paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas today. Can you remember what you were paying before this stupid war?
What about taking care of the earth as God wants us to do, you know the enviornment, global warming. Do you care at about the earth are just your truck or SUV. What do you think God wants us to do? Have you looked outside your window at the air we take into our bodies everyday.
Tommie | 4:23 p.m. July 28, 2008
To Capt. Smash:
A dude, you are the one who said the middle east was better off with Hussein, are going to say that Europe was better off not messing with Hitler too?
If that was the case we would have just left him alone, but we didn't, why? Because we knew what the right thing to do was, and it wasn't to ignore the problem.
And I really like what Devilion said. They have found a lot of chemical weapons in Iraq, even if they weren't nucs, and they were WMD's. The drive by media didn't say much about that did they? I wonder why? What Rush and Sean make more sense then Barrach Obama does, so I'm okay, I'll continue to listen to reason.
A dude, you are the one who said the middle east was better off with Hussein, are going to say that Europe was better off not messing with Hitler too?
If that was the case we would have just left him alone, but we didn't, why? Because we knew what the right thing to do was, and it wasn't to ignore the problem.
And I really like what Devilion said. They have found a lot of chemical weapons in Iraq, even if they weren't nucs, and they were WMD's. The drive by media didn't say much about that did they? I wonder why? What Rush and Sean make more sense then Barrach Obama does, so I'm okay, I'll continue to listen to reason.
Devilion | 4:34 p.m. July 28, 2008
Nice now you wan to talk morals? What happened to we can't force aour views
on others?
I also said Iraqis not Kurds. I think I would know better about body counts don't you?
As to the air. You do know that when a volcano erupts it puts more "green house" gass in the air in a week then us dumb humans do in five years?
I don't drive a Truck or SUV. Like I said when renewable energy can compete it will win. Every one wants what's best. So the sooner Renewable gets competitive the better.
The problem with oil prices isn't the problem with gas prices. The same amout of oil is still being sold. It's a question of processing that oil into gas that raises the price. We don't have enough refineres. The last few were built in the 60's.
As to what do I think God wants us to do? Simple protect those who can not. Stand between the victim and the Evil that threatens them.
Have you ever put on a uniform?
I also said Iraqis not Kurds. I think I would know better about body counts don't you?
As to the air. You do know that when a volcano erupts it puts more "green house" gass in the air in a week then us dumb humans do in five years?
I don't drive a Truck or SUV. Like I said when renewable energy can compete it will win. Every one wants what's best. So the sooner Renewable gets competitive the better.
The problem with oil prices isn't the problem with gas prices. The same amout of oil is still being sold. It's a question of processing that oil into gas that raises the price. We don't have enough refineres. The last few were built in the 60's.
As to what do I think God wants us to do? Simple protect those who can not. Stand between the victim and the Evil that threatens them.
Have you ever put on a uniform?
Capt. Smash | 4:34 p.m. July 28, 2008
In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look at an
investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators,
weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda conclude a
roughly 1,500-page report released last fall.
On Monday, Duelfer said there is no purpose in keeping many of the detainees who are in custody because of their knowledge on Iraq�s weapons, although he did not provide any details about the current number. A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the ultimate decision on their release will be made by the Iraqi authorities.
On Monday, Duelfer said there is no purpose in keeping many of the detainees who are in custody because of their knowledge on Iraq�s weapons, although he did not provide any details about the current number. A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the ultimate decision on their release will be made by the Iraqi authorities.
Tommie | 4:34 p.m. July 28, 2008
Hey Capt. Smash:
We also didn't give Hussein weapons thinking he was going to go around and kill thousands of people with them either.
And as for our troops killing Iraqis, well that is what happens when you have insurgents, don't take their side, that is total treason to join with evil.
And global warming has nothing to do with the war, so stop talking about it.
We also didn't give Hussein weapons thinking he was going to go around and kill thousands of people with them either.
And as for our troops killing Iraqis, well that is what happens when you have insurgents, don't take their side, that is total treason to join with evil.
And global warming has nothing to do with the war, so stop talking about it.
Capt. Smash | 4:41 p.m. July 28, 2008
Tommie and Devilion
I sorry that that Fox News, Rush and Sean have completed your brain washing. You guys know nothing about history. Let me let you go so you can turn on Fox News with O'Really Factor and Sean and Alan. Since they are your main source for you info.
God Bless Both of You.
I sorry that that Fox News, Rush and Sean have completed your brain washing. You guys know nothing about history. Let me let you go so you can turn on Fox News with O'Really Factor and Sean and Alan. Since they are your main source for you info.
God Bless Both of You.
Anonymous | 4:44 p.m. July 28, 2008
These are different times.
Superior fire-power is being countered by women willing to blow themselves up for their ideology.
Time to start studying what the word interdependent means and get to work on it.
Superior fire-power is being countered by women willing to blow themselves up for their ideology.
Time to start studying what the word interdependent means and get to work on it.
Tommie | 5:09 p.m. July 28, 2008
Capt. Smash: Because you don't agree with what they say it has to be brain
washing? What kind of logic is that?
Libby | 6:28 p.m. July 28, 2008
American arms industry and aggresive military foreign policy keeps the world at
war to sale their weapons and capture other countries resourses. Our top ranking
military leaders like to keep conflicts and wars going, other wise they have
little justifictiion for their being and high paying positions. America is not
so different from Hitler's Germany.
Devilion | 6:38 p.m. July 28, 2008
Libby so your saying that I'm part of what you think of as Hitler's
Germany? Well other then I'm rather offended by this what's your
grounds for comparison?
Do we make weapons? Yes we do. Do we sell weapons? yes we do. Would say Africa still be waging war with it self if we didn't? Yes they would. Know why? They use Russian made weapons.
What about I don't know say Tibet. They didn't fight battles, use weapons to defend them selves, and we stayed out of it. Tibet is no longer a country, it's people were butchered and still live under opression.
Weapons are tools Libby. It's the individual using them that's evil or good.
Do we make weapons? Yes we do. Do we sell weapons? yes we do. Would say Africa still be waging war with it self if we didn't? Yes they would. Know why? They use Russian made weapons.
What about I don't know say Tibet. They didn't fight battles, use weapons to defend them selves, and we stayed out of it. Tibet is no longer a country, it's people were butchered and still live under opression.
Weapons are tools Libby. It's the individual using them that's evil or good.
David | 6:02 a.m. July 29, 2008
No I don't listen to talk radio or watch the talking heads and still
managed to ascertain that we are indeed winning the war of terror. Have you
looked at the news lately? How many of those attacks happened on American
Soil?! Oh, that's right. None.
Anonymous | 6:36 a.m. July 29, 2008
A smart bullet should be invented that would strike the only enemy we have -
ourselves.
To Anon | 8:25 a.m. July 29, 2008
We our not our only enemy and such is a naive belief which would land us
invaded. We did not run planes into our own buildings. We did not create an
excuse to murder our daughters calling them "honor killings" but
remaining first degree murder (It's happening on our soil so is relevant.)
There are many other cultures that do indeed hate us because we allow for choice
while they prefer religious law to the exclusion of all others. Perhaps you
have never heard "conversion by the sword?"
To Capt Smash and Anon (neocon) | 10:26 a.m. July 29, 2008
Dudes. You're so full of hate towards this country that affords you the
freedom to spout your hate and venom.
Peace bro. Take a breath. Stop reading the hate filled blogs on dailykos, or huffington post.
Those who listen to Rush, et al, do so because they validate what many of us already believe.
Peace bro. Take a breath. Stop reading the hate filled blogs on dailykos, or huffington post.
Those who listen to Rush, et al, do so because they validate what many of us already believe.
Anonymous | 11:13 a.m. July 29, 2008
No, no, no 10:26 -
Those who listen to Rush, et al, do so because they have been duped into thinking its a swell idea to divide this country in two (while they make et al filthy rich) when it should be coming together and working together.
Those who listen to Rush, et al, do so because they have been duped into thinking its a swell idea to divide this country in two (while they make et al filthy rich) when it should be coming together and working together.
Devilion | 1:25 p.m. July 29, 2008
Anonymous working together sounds great! Now to prove your point try and find
something really nice to say about Rush. Or about anyone who doesn't want
state run health care or one world government.
Devilion | 1:24 p.m. July 29, 2008
We have all gone off topic here. Shall we resume the disscussion on our winning
the war in Iraq?
Capt. Smash | 1:32 p.m. July 29, 2008
To: David what do you call 9/11 that was in New York. I know your going to Bush
has kept us safe since then. However it took OBL 7 to 8 years to plan and
excute 9/11. He still has not been captured or killed. He is still running
around making tapes and polting other attacks.
Bush took his eyes of the prize with that stupid war in Iraq.
Bush took his eyes of the prize with that stupid war in Iraq.
Anonymous | 2:15 p.m. July 29, 2008
Rush Limbaugh and his divisive ilk have been busy dividing the country for 20
years with the conservative v liberal internal war. And who has this benefitted
the most? Hefty salaries for the neocon pundits.
It's going to take some time for the stupid neocons to wake up and see how duped they've become.
Some will NEVER see the light until the day they die.
It's going to take some time for the stupid neocons to wake up and see how duped they've become.
Some will NEVER see the light until the day they die.
Anonymous | 2:52 p.m. July 29, 2008
Anonymous are you saying that only Republicans wait sorry "neocon
pundits" are the oly rich people?
McBush and Iraq War | 3:48 p.m. July 29, 2008
Last week, I thought that I had woken up in "Groundhog Day." George W.
Bush was raving about the glorious success of the "surge," attacking
his opponents as defeatists, and promising that victory was just around the
corner. Then I realized that it wasn't Bush at all, but John McCain. The
lines were exactly the same, but the guy speaking them was older, crankier and
running for president.
Who hit the replay button on this bad movie?
We had this national debate years ago, and the war party lost. And everything that has happened since then has made it even clearer that the Iraq war has been one of the greatest catastrophes in American history. Americans can't wait to get rid of Bush, and they want out of Iraq. Yet McCain has decided to run as a bad imitation of Bush.
Who hit the replay button on this bad movie?
We had this national debate years ago, and the war party lost. And everything that has happened since then has made it even clearer that the Iraq war has been one of the greatest catastrophes in American history. Americans can't wait to get rid of Bush, and they want out of Iraq. Yet McCain has decided to run as a bad imitation of Bush.
Anonymous | 4:42 p.m. July 29, 2008
Would someone please clarify exactly what this war has accomplished?
Killed a Madman and stopped his use of torture? I think that that was a very important goal and well done on its success - but I fail to see any accomplishments past that.
And why did we go after Saddam in the first place? Why not Gaddafi or Mugabe or Kim Jong-Il (Note: Ahmadinejad is not part of this list as he is not, in fact, a dictator, nor a person with any power other than a loud voice). What about Jintao's re-education camps? We're endorsing his efforts by our refusal to oppose him because of the olympics.
People will say we've brought democracy to Iraq. I say so what. Russia and Pakistan are democracies. Iran is a theocratic-democracy. And half of the communist countries still around slap the word 'democratic' into their party title. Newsflash: the US is not a democracty, it is a republic. We're so concerned with getting people to vote that we forget to put in place the necessary checks and balances such as representation that are inherent in republics. It is vastly more important to create liberty, and yet we focus only on democracy.
Killed a Madman and stopped his use of torture? I think that that was a very important goal and well done on its success - but I fail to see any accomplishments past that.
And why did we go after Saddam in the first place? Why not Gaddafi or Mugabe or Kim Jong-Il (Note: Ahmadinejad is not part of this list as he is not, in fact, a dictator, nor a person with any power other than a loud voice). What about Jintao's re-education camps? We're endorsing his efforts by our refusal to oppose him because of the olympics.
People will say we've brought democracy to Iraq. I say so what. Russia and Pakistan are democracies. Iran is a theocratic-democracy. And half of the communist countries still around slap the word 'democratic' into their party title. Newsflash: the US is not a democracty, it is a republic. We're so concerned with getting people to vote that we forget to put in place the necessary checks and balances such as representation that are inherent in republics. It is vastly more important to create liberty, and yet we focus only on democracy.
Suburbs of SLC | 4:43 p.m. July 29, 2008
And to McBush: It's fascinating to note that McCain is no longer running as
a bad imitation of Bush - just of the Bush from 03/04. If he were imitating the
08 Bush, he would be indistinguishable from much of Obama's foreign policy.
Bush 08 is the real imitation, imitating what many Democrats, and whats left of
responsible Republicans like Chuck Hagel, have been saying for some time. Try
diplomacy with Iran and North Korea. Set a "time horizon" on our
troops stay in Iraq, etc.
McCain has been left in the dust, even by Dubya.
McCain has been left in the dust, even by Dubya.
Devilion | 5:06 p.m. July 29, 2008
Funny thing about Obama before he visited Iraq he said he would pull all the
troops out in 16 months. Then he comes over here sees what we are doing, how we
are in deed winning. Then he says well I never said when the 16 months would
start, and we can't leave Iraq to quickly.
Just thought that was interseting. Oh and that whole leberal vs. conservetive thing, you do know the make up of the country right? Liberals are over whemingly in the cities and the Conservitives in the country. Which most Libs would say means the Cons are uneducated. So blue cities suronded by red country.
Just thought that was interseting. Oh and that whole leberal vs. conservetive thing, you do know the make up of the country right? Liberals are over whemingly in the cities and the Conservitives in the country. Which most Libs would say means the Cons are uneducated. So blue cities suronded by red country.
Devilion | 5:43 p.m. July 29, 2008
Hey there Mcbush person, you did read earlier that the surge did work right? Or
are you just in denile? Trust me I'm over here right now. I can tell you it
worked.
Funny what happens when you lsten to the troops over here, things work. I do hope your not going to quote a poll now.
I've worked in polling stations if you want a poll the read left take it in the city, right take it in the country. You can make a poll say anything you want.
Funny what happens when you lsten to the troops over here, things work. I do hope your not going to quote a poll now.
I've worked in polling stations if you want a poll the read left take it in the city, right take it in the country. You can make a poll say anything you want.
tried to warn you | 5:50 p.m. July 29, 2008
The liberals tried to warn you about all of this way back when - but you were
too busy demonizing us (like the freak who killed those people in Tennessee
yesterday cuz they was liberals)
and listening to Limbaugh demonizing us.
But it doesn't matter.
A change is in the wind - and it's at least filled with some kind of hope.
and listening to Limbaugh demonizing us.
But it doesn't matter.
A change is in the wind - and it's at least filled with some kind of hope.
to "proud" | 8:30 p.m. July 29, 2008
Tell that to all the innocent, dead Iraqis ... now, please go back to polishing
your American Flag lapel pin..
Uritaata | 11:03 p.m. July 29, 2008
It does not matter when you are wrong as long as you say you are right and have
others believe it. If the explanation does not fly, find another one.
AS WMD no longer flies, let use nation building.
The right thing was to impose democracy and liberty with guns (especially if you hold them and if a) you don't like the guys 2)you beleive is your interest). So with this new doctrine we should be very busy over the years imposing our views. Does not matter if we make more ennemies, we will kill them all.
As for cost, $$$ are just money, it comes and go. When you love something money does not count! Keep spending !(principle of winning at all cost-- regardless of the costs). Lost lives are a tragedy but we the decency requires that we do not disturb others in their pain and sorrows!
And at the end if it does not work,does not matter.
"Declare victory and leave" Still is best way to get out. (like in Vietnam)
AS WMD no longer flies, let use nation building.
The right thing was to impose democracy and liberty with guns (especially if you hold them and if a) you don't like the guys 2)you beleive is your interest). So with this new doctrine we should be very busy over the years imposing our views. Does not matter if we make more ennemies, we will kill them all.
As for cost, $$$ are just money, it comes and go. When you love something money does not count! Keep spending !(principle of winning at all cost-- regardless of the costs). Lost lives are a tragedy but we the decency requires that we do not disturb others in their pain and sorrows!
And at the end if it does not work,does not matter.
"Declare victory and leave" Still is best way to get out. (like in Vietnam)
To to Proud | 7:24 a.m. July 30, 2008
Who killed all those "dead Iraqis?" Oh it was ultra-extremist muslims
that don't want any choice but their own. I haven't seen a single
American soldier blow him/herself up in the middle of tow. This same group finds
it acceptable to kill in the first degree, their own daughters that do not abide
by their rules, calling it "honor killings" but remain first degree
murder.
stay the course? | 9:54 a.m. July 30, 2008
Superior firepower used to be an automatic guarantee of victory in any war and
solidifying Imperialism. The guy with the biggest gun wins.
But when people blow themselves up for what they believe in (and swear to do it forever) I think it may be time to abandon the notion of "staying the course."
But when people blow themselves up for what they believe in (and swear to do it forever) I think it may be time to abandon the notion of "staying the course."
OmahaMan | 11:13 a.m. July 30, 2008
"Freedom is never free." But, it is at a highly discounted price if
you are Iraqi. If you are the one paying the taxes to make it happen, you pay
out the nose.
I am glad that the Iraqi people are "free." But, who will rescue our economy?
I am glad that the Iraqi people are "free." But, who will rescue our economy?
To Anon 4:42 | 11:57 a.m. July 30, 2008
Hmm, what has the war on terror accomplished?
I don't think the US or our allies have been attacked since we started taking it to them.
I'd say that's pretty successful.
I don't think the US or our allies have been attacked since we started taking it to them.
I'd say that's pretty successful.
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