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'Mormon-friendly' colleges planned for Nevada, Nauvoo
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Artes Liberalis | 4:36 p.m. July 24, 2008
Oops! Shame on me! You caught me. No, they did not teach me to spell in
college that took place in the state funded public schools in Indiana and Hawaii
I attended. I do not know of any good University that teaches remedial or basic
spelling. They do teach students to proof their work. Of course, I should have
proofed my post and should not have posted, without proofing.
I graduated in April 1980 with a BA in Art and Design. I did not learn the value of a great Liberal Arts program until I raised most of my children. My youngest is in fourth grade. I would love a full college level Liberal Arts experience. When my youngest is older, perhaps I will seek out a college level Liberal Arts program. Meanwhile, I can learn as much as I can on my own.
I sincerely hope the Nauvoo succeeds. Endeavors succeed when people join in and help them along. Very little can succeed with people standing around waiting for them to succeed. Every institution of higher learning, has had to start somewhere. Many major Universities, including Harvard began as religious institutions, with high moral and academic standards.
I graduated in April 1980 with a BA in Art and Design. I did not learn the value of a great Liberal Arts program until I raised most of my children. My youngest is in fourth grade. I would love a full college level Liberal Arts experience. When my youngest is older, perhaps I will seek out a college level Liberal Arts program. Meanwhile, I can learn as much as I can on my own.
I sincerely hope the Nauvoo succeeds. Endeavors succeed when people join in and help them along. Very little can succeed with people standing around waiting for them to succeed. Every institution of higher learning, has had to start somewhere. Many major Universities, including Harvard began as religious institutions, with high moral and academic standards.
An educator | 4:50 p.m. July 24, 2008
First, in defense of Moapa Valley, it is not the exit on the interstate where
the Moapa band of Pauite Indians have their fireworks store. The gateway to
Moapa Valley is the Logandale exit, a beautiful farming community with green
fields, right next to the Valley of Fire National Monument, and Lake Mead
National Recreational area.
That said, I still would not send my kids to either of these schools or SVU because they are not accredited by the Higher Learning Commission. If their students ever decide to transfer to a state college, nothing will transfer and they will have to start from scratch.
That said, I still would not send my kids to either of these schools or SVU because they are not accredited by the Higher Learning Commission. If their students ever decide to transfer to a state college, nothing will transfer and they will have to start from scratch.
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Artes Liberalis | 7:45 p.m. July 24, 2008
I have not looked into Deseret Academy, yet. I have looked at the Nauvoo
University site. The school is in the foundational creation stage and not yet
open. It is pursuing accreditation, and they want to be competitive in the
world, so I doubt they are going after a non DOE recognized accreditation. It
remains to be seen what their real reputation will be, with other colleges,
graduate schools, and future employers. That will depend entirely on what they
create, whom they hire, and the level of excellence they inspire in their
graduates.
There seems to be much ado about a thing that is not fully created yet. There is nothing to quantify. There is nothing yet, to measure. There is nothing to compare. They are still attracting funding, staff, and creating curriculum. I am eager to see what they create!
There seems to be much ado about a thing that is not fully created yet. There is nothing to quantify. There is nothing yet, to measure. There is nothing to compare. They are still attracting funding, staff, and creating curriculum. I am eager to see what they create!
Art lib | 8:10 p.m. July 24, 2008
As a convert, I've learned that the non-LDS schools are, for many, a much
better place to grow. If there isn't an LDS Institute, help MAKE ONE. That
is unless you don't have the faith (or backbone) to handle people that
think differently. I was converted while attending an extremely liberal art
college in the mid-west. Another student invited me to the LDS Insitute of
Religion. I was impressed by the open minds that were there, willing to hear me,
even when they didn't agree. I never would have been baptized, if I felt my
personal beliefs had been undermined or disrespected. Most people can only begin
to imagine the abundance of temptations in art school- the movie: ART SCHOOL
CONFIDENTIAL, doesn't begin to do it justice; but, I was intelligent enough
destinguish the difference between right & wrong. Some of my friends went to
BYU & came back, disappointed that there were still problems with drugs
& alcohol there; even worst, there was also the apostate attitude that only
Utah Mormons count. While the LDS leadership frowns on that attitude, but it is
abundant amongst too many. Get real,this is an international society. Learn to
live in it!
Anonymous | 8:24 p.m. July 24, 2008
My problem with these schools is that they are going to teach LDS values in an
LDS environment without the LDS Church endorsing them. It is like some of the
private K-12 schools in Utah. It could become a learning environment that
teaches what the director, board of trustees or teachers perceive LDS values to
be. Without endorsements from the LDS Church the religion classes offered may
or may not be in line with the LDS Church. LDS Institutes are part of the
Church and as such teach what the LDS Church wants to be taught.
Anonymous | 9:05 p.m. July 24, 2008
They don't really teach LDS values in the classroom. They ask that you
follow the honorcode, which generally includes LDS values. However, like at any
other school, in an English class, you're only going to learn literature
and how to write. LDS institutes which are endorsed by the church are set up on
or near the campus. They teach the religion classes, not the school. You really
have nothing to be concerned about because the schools are only trying to
provide a safe, clean enviroment for an LDS student to go to school without
having to worry about their roommate bringing a guy home or their apartment
being used for parties every night.
Former SVU student | 11:10 p.m. July 24, 2008
As a former SVU (and BYU) student who is currently attending a large state
university, I feel I have to add my two cents here. (It is worth noting that
most SVU students transfer to another school before graduating.) SVU is
struggling greatly. Within the past couple of years, they have had at least one
semester where more than half the student body was under academic probation.
The professors are third-rate at best, something to be expected considering the amount they are paid. Decisions are made in a rather haphazard way, as illustrated by the new curriculum, which was formulated almost entirely by one professor and instituted last fall with minimal chance for discussion or debate; or the resource-draining football team, which was started because one Vice President really thought they should have one. Incompetent administrators are routinely shuffled from one job for which they are unqualified to another.
SVU continues to struggle financially. The school has had difficulty in fund-raising because it is still not regionally accredited. Many graduate programs won't admit SVU alumni because of these accreditation problems, and many undergraduate programs won't accept transfer credit. These new LDS-oriented schools will have the same problems.
The professors are third-rate at best, something to be expected considering the amount they are paid. Decisions are made in a rather haphazard way, as illustrated by the new curriculum, which was formulated almost entirely by one professor and instituted last fall with minimal chance for discussion or debate; or the resource-draining football team, which was started because one Vice President really thought they should have one. Incompetent administrators are routinely shuffled from one job for which they are unqualified to another.
SVU continues to struggle financially. The school has had difficulty in fund-raising because it is still not regionally accredited. Many graduate programs won't admit SVU alumni because of these accreditation problems, and many undergraduate programs won't accept transfer credit. These new LDS-oriented schools will have the same problems.
ramper | 5:25 a.m. July 25, 2008
What it next? Sending missionaries to mormon friendly missions? We are supposed
to be "in the world but not of it." Go be an example 'to
it'!
To K | 6:17 a.m. July 25, 2008
The LDS Church has Institute programs for college students, but at most schools
outside highly-populated LDS areas, there aren't many LDS students to
maintain vibrant programs.
As for Newman Centers, the first time I went to confession at college and recited my typical list of venial sins, the priest said, "Okay, stop throwing marshmallows at me. I want to hear about the real sins." Another priest stated in a homily that petting wasn't really sinning. Doctrine was consistently twisted to tell students what they wanted to hear so that the pews would be nice and full for Saturday evening folk mass. Guilt-liberated students who had been obedient CYO kids in their home parishes then spent the rest of the weekend committing non-sins that they that they no longer felt compelled to confess, not realizing the long-term spiritual and emotional damage they were inflicting upon themselves. We returned to campus the fall of my Junior year to learn that Father Petting had impregnated a parishioner and was now married and working in a tire factory. My Newman Center experience was a main factor in my decision to join the LDS Church. At least the lines weren't blurred.
As for Newman Centers, the first time I went to confession at college and recited my typical list of venial sins, the priest said, "Okay, stop throwing marshmallows at me. I want to hear about the real sins." Another priest stated in a homily that petting wasn't really sinning. Doctrine was consistently twisted to tell students what they wanted to hear so that the pews would be nice and full for Saturday evening folk mass. Guilt-liberated students who had been obedient CYO kids in their home parishes then spent the rest of the weekend committing non-sins that they that they no longer felt compelled to confess, not realizing the long-term spiritual and emotional damage they were inflicting upon themselves. We returned to campus the fall of my Junior year to learn that Father Petting had impregnated a parishioner and was now married and working in a tire factory. My Newman Center experience was a main factor in my decision to join the LDS Church. At least the lines weren't blurred.
Snow College grad... | 8:26 a.m. July 25, 2008
I had an awesome experience at Snow. The highest percentage of student body
attending Institute outside of BYU, Manti temple just down the road, (if
you're interested), the best pre-engineering preparation in the state, (and
lots of other very strong programs).
Unique perspective? | 8:53 a.m. July 25, 2008
Married to an educator who spent most of his career on the college level. Raised
a family in the "mission field." All served honorable missions. All
have earned college degrees and some are still at it, earning advanced college
degrees. Some graduated from BYU in Provo. Others graduated from or are still
at colleges/universities in OK, WV, TX, MN, VA, CT, OH, and, yes, even SVU. They
WORKED HARD for the opportunities. They ALL for the most part had good
experiences WHEREVER they were. Isn't that a PERSONAL responsibility?
Look. What's the big deal? This is America where all kinds of ideas,
ideologies, and opportunites find a ready platform, market, and way to survive,
thrive, or fade away. If all involved from investors to educators, parents and
students want to invest their money and lives in these projects either with the
hopes of making money, a splash, or a difference, I say: "Man the
torpedos! Full speed ahead!"
on insular Mormons etc. | 10:57 a.m. July 25, 2008
When I was an BYU student intern in Washington, DC, everyone I worked with was
amazed at, and commented on, how on the ball the BYU students were. The BYU
students knew more about politics, about government, about the world than most
of the people who worked in the "Center of the Universe". BYU, far
from being insular, has one of the most world savvy student bodies and faculty
in the country. A large number of students and faculty have lived in foreign
countries, speak foreign languages, are up on world events. Both my father and
father-in-law, who taught at BYU, observed that their experience at BYU, though
not perfect, was much freer than their experience at other universities and
corporations. That has been my experience also.
As for the private colleges-- I've known a lot of faculty members at SVU and the Joseph Smith Academy in Nauvoo. They are top-notch academics who teach out of love, not for money. I know something about the Nauvoo project, there is a lot of support--financial and community. It is run by competent people who feel a sense of mission. And I applaud them.
As for the private colleges-- I've known a lot of faculty members at SVU and the Joseph Smith Academy in Nauvoo. They are top-notch academics who teach out of love, not for money. I know something about the Nauvoo project, there is a lot of support--financial and community. It is run by competent people who feel a sense of mission. And I applaud them.
Honest John | 11:01 a.m. July 25, 2008
Former SVU Student,
It is good to hear the truth from someone who doesn't feel the need to "lie for the Lord" and make everything associated with the LDS Church seem perfect and wonderful!
Thank you for your honesty.
Unfortunately, Utah is the fraud capitol of the world because Mormons perpetuate this "have faith and everything will work out" mentality that blinds them to reality. Anyone who wants to be honest and tell things like they are is considered to be a "sinner" with a "bad attitude" and a "lack of faith and testimony". What a bunch of crapola!
It is good to hear the truth from someone who doesn't feel the need to "lie for the Lord" and make everything associated with the LDS Church seem perfect and wonderful!
Thank you for your honesty.
Unfortunately, Utah is the fraud capitol of the world because Mormons perpetuate this "have faith and everything will work out" mentality that blinds them to reality. Anyone who wants to be honest and tell things like they are is considered to be a "sinner" with a "bad attitude" and a "lack of faith and testimony". What a bunch of crapola!
Hey, Honest John | 11:46 a.m. July 25, 2008
It's hardly fraud to "have faith and everything will work out."
I've lived it--I know. It's also hardly sin to be honest and tell
things like they are--unless, for instance, the "truth" you're
telling (not sure what you mean by that, but I'll give you the benefit of
the doubt) is expressed in such a hurtful way that people can hardly stand to
listen.
Sure, not everything associated with Mormons is perfect and wonderful. We're all still people and sinners who need the Lord, and the wisest among us realize that. We all need to help each other out, become more Christlike, and love each other, not waste time shouting and pointing fingers. (The best among us also don't defraud others, either, ya know.) :)
It sounds like there's a lot more to your story than what you're telling--including some unfortunate misunderstandings one or both ways, I take it? Regardless, I hope things work out for you and that you learn to see some good in LDS people and in life anyway!
Sure, not everything associated with Mormons is perfect and wonderful. We're all still people and sinners who need the Lord, and the wisest among us realize that. We all need to help each other out, become more Christlike, and love each other, not waste time shouting and pointing fingers. (The best among us also don't defraud others, either, ya know.) :)
It sounds like there's a lot more to your story than what you're telling--including some unfortunate misunderstandings one or both ways, I take it? Regardless, I hope things work out for you and that you learn to see some good in LDS people and in life anyway!
Unique perspective? | 12:27 p.m. July 25, 2008
To be sure: original quote? "Damn the Torpedos?" Yes. Actually, in
this instance both seem appropriate. I chose "Man."
Accreditation issue | 3:27 p.m. July 25, 2008
Accreditation? A school that has not opened its doors has nothing to accredit.
Accreditation takes time, perhaps 18+ months.
Let�s put accreditation in perspective. Low end/ high turnover jobs ask how many years you went to school and highest level attained.
There are 3,000+ colleges and universities in America. Most are unknown to a majority of Americans outside their local vicinity.
Most upper end jobs require a resume. A savvy student from either accredited or non-accredited institutions knows how to present himself, what employers are looking for, and makes sure he represents honest and relevant information in his resume`. They include internships and experiences that will show well on their resume`. The not-so-savvy student will have a hard time, getting hired, regardless of accreditation. Employers are most interested in clean, articulate, hard working, and energetic employees. Hence, I see many college grads bagging groceries and serving fast food!
There are students from non-accredited schools entering and doing well in good graduate programs in America. I know a few who have done this.
Be savvy. Know your stuff. Be sharp. Be optimistic. Be energetic. Be clean and responsible. Build an honest and excellent resume`.
Let�s put accreditation in perspective. Low end/ high turnover jobs ask how many years you went to school and highest level attained.
There are 3,000+ colleges and universities in America. Most are unknown to a majority of Americans outside their local vicinity.
Most upper end jobs require a resume. A savvy student from either accredited or non-accredited institutions knows how to present himself, what employers are looking for, and makes sure he represents honest and relevant information in his resume`. They include internships and experiences that will show well on their resume`. The not-so-savvy student will have a hard time, getting hired, regardless of accreditation. Employers are most interested in clean, articulate, hard working, and energetic employees. Hence, I see many college grads bagging groceries and serving fast food!
There are students from non-accredited schools entering and doing well in good graduate programs in America. I know a few who have done this.
Be savvy. Know your stuff. Be sharp. Be optimistic. Be energetic. Be clean and responsible. Build an honest and excellent resume`.
John Lambert | 4:04 p.m. July 25, 2008
To Go USU,
You proposals and statements offer nothing to those of us who live east of the Mississippi.
Your world view ignores the fact that for many people I have known the reason they decided against going to BYU was that they did not want to have to go a whole semester without coming home.
Most people I have known from the east never had their parents come on parents weekend, did not really have anywhere to go for Thanksgiving, and so on.
There are a few areas in the Eastern United States where there are well established YSA programs. However even in Chicago, the third largest city in the USA, there is not a YSA ward, only two branches, one of which actually meets out in the suburbs.
New Jersey which has 8.6 million people does not have any YSA wards at all. I repeat it has absolutely none. Many of the YSA there feel to have a chance at activity in the church they have to go elsewhere. This is despite the fact that Rutgers has 49,000 students.
You proposals and statements offer nothing to those of us who live east of the Mississippi.
Your world view ignores the fact that for many people I have known the reason they decided against going to BYU was that they did not want to have to go a whole semester without coming home.
Most people I have known from the east never had their parents come on parents weekend, did not really have anywhere to go for Thanksgiving, and so on.
There are a few areas in the Eastern United States where there are well established YSA programs. However even in Chicago, the third largest city in the USA, there is not a YSA ward, only two branches, one of which actually meets out in the suburbs.
New Jersey which has 8.6 million people does not have any YSA wards at all. I repeat it has absolutely none. Many of the YSA there feel to have a chance at activity in the church they have to go elsewhere. This is despite the fact that Rutgers has 49,000 students.
John Lambert | 4:16 p.m. July 25, 2008
To K,
I was last at BYU in December of 2004. I knew Muslims, non-religious people from China, Catholics from Mexico and people of other religious persuasions while there.
I do not know the percentage of Latter-day Saints at SVU or several other schools.
I had one professor at BYU who was I believe not actually religious, but he defiantly was not Mormon. I know there is at least one Catholic in the English deparment and another in the Law School, and there are other people of various faiths.
I have known other people who were at BYU more recently than I and who had Catholic roommates.
In fact once when I was working in the Cafeteria we ended up making a special meal for some Muslims because our main course had pork.
I was last at BYU in December of 2004. I knew Muslims, non-religious people from China, Catholics from Mexico and people of other religious persuasions while there.
I do not know the percentage of Latter-day Saints at SVU or several other schools.
I had one professor at BYU who was I believe not actually religious, but he defiantly was not Mormon. I know there is at least one Catholic in the English deparment and another in the Law School, and there are other people of various faiths.
I have known other people who were at BYU more recently than I and who had Catholic roommates.
In fact once when I was working in the Cafeteria we ended up making a special meal for some Muslims because our main course had pork.
John Lambert | 4:19 p.m. July 25, 2008
Despite what some people claim BYU has an excellent History Department, and as
far as I was able to tell no lack of qualified English professors.
It also has very good programs in foreign languages. I did have a roommate who disliked the Spanish course because they focused too much on iterature in his view, but I would have to say that Wayne State University where I now attend has a much higher focus on getting majors that can be turned into marketabe skills and much less focus on learning for greater knowledge than BYU does.
It also has very good programs in foreign languages. I did have a roommate who disliked the Spanish course because they focused too much on iterature in his view, but I would have to say that Wayne State University where I now attend has a much higher focus on getting majors that can be turned into marketabe skills and much less focus on learning for greater knowledge than BYU does.
John Lambert | 4:25 p.m. July 25, 2008
To K again,
Regent was founded in 1978. SVU was formed in about 1996.
Regent was founded in 1978. SVU was formed in about 1996.
John Lambert | 4:35 p.m. July 25, 2008
To Artemesia,
From what I have been told UNLV is not very challenging academically. This I was told by someone who had studied both there and at BYU.
Maybe the goal of the creators of the university in Moapa Valley is to have a rigorus academic course. Also, if the Sylvan Wittwer on their board is who I think it is, than they may have a goal of teaching science without having to spew politically mandated interpretations.
For those who think this is a fly by night operation, the school in Moapa was initially planned in 2005. They are trying to be well prepared before opening.
From what I have been told UNLV is not very challenging academically. This I was told by someone who had studied both there and at BYU.
Maybe the goal of the creators of the university in Moapa Valley is to have a rigorus academic course. Also, if the Sylvan Wittwer on their board is who I think it is, than they may have a goal of teaching science without having to spew politically mandated interpretations.
For those who think this is a fly by night operation, the school in Moapa was initially planned in 2005. They are trying to be well prepared before opening.
John Lambert | 4:45 p.m. July 25, 2008
To the 4:01 poster,
SVU is accredited. I do not know what you are talking about.
SVU is accredited. I do not know what you are talking about.
John Lambert | 5:11 p.m. July 25, 2008
To Matthew,
You forget that at many small colleges an LDS student would spend huge amounts of time and resouces traveling to institute, singles ward, singles ward activities etc.
You forget that at many small colleges an LDS student would spend huge amounts of time and resouces traveling to institute, singles ward, singles ward activities etc.
John Lambert | 5:31 p.m. July 25, 2008
To the 10:54 commentor,
Actually I think the commentor was refering to Iosepa in Tooelle County. Beyond the fact that his line about any Hawaiian being "spit upon" is just total malarky, Iosepa was not the worst place in the world to live, and most of the problems faced by Hawaiians there would have applied to anywhere in Utah.
Then President Smith told them it was time to go back to Hawaii because they were going to build a temple and needed a people who knew how the temple worked.
BYU-Hawaii was not started until the 1950s. Prior to that the land where it is had normally been mainly inhabited by Hawaiian Latter-day Saints.
One last comment, when Jonathan Nepela came to Utah in the late 1860s to go to the temple he was kindly recieved everywhere he went.
Actually I think the commentor was refering to Iosepa in Tooelle County. Beyond the fact that his line about any Hawaiian being "spit upon" is just total malarky, Iosepa was not the worst place in the world to live, and most of the problems faced by Hawaiians there would have applied to anywhere in Utah.
Then President Smith told them it was time to go back to Hawaii because they were going to build a temple and needed a people who knew how the temple worked.
BYU-Hawaii was not started until the 1950s. Prior to that the land where it is had normally been mainly inhabited by Hawaiian Latter-day Saints.
One last comment, when Jonathan Nepela came to Utah in the late 1860s to go to the temple he was kindly recieved everywhere he went.
K | 5:57 p.m. July 25, 2008
Regent's name changed in the 90's. I thought it started from scratch.
There are more recent degree programs and online ed. Lots are doing that
now.
Anonymous | 6:55 p.m. July 25, 2008
I think many peoples comments are rediculious. The goal of college is growth and
enlightenment. How can this happen when you are hounded by institute, singles
ward and ward activities. There is no personal growth there. If this is the case
stay home and live in your parent basement and go to one of the local schools. I
think you people are funny but then again I am not on the enlightened side of
the fence so you'll judge me for whom I am.
RE: John Lambert@5:31 | 6:56 p.m. July 25, 2008
I'm the 10:54 commenter. :) Thanks for the insight, John! I'm sorry
to say I'd forgotten about Iosepa. As for the allegations of ill-treatment,
such as being spit upon, I'm not seeing much if any evidence that anything
particularly horrible or racist happened to them--not even in the Salt Lake
Tribune, which would happily point it out if anyone would. :) A few isolated
regrettable incidents are always possible with any ethnic minority anywhere, of
course.
But I still suspect the original poster had confused the Japanese war camps at Topaz with Iosepa--even though they were two entirely different historical periods, locations, and ethnicities. But stranger things have happened among those with axes to grind! :) Though it's unclear just how well Topaz prisoners were treated, it probably wasn't good--they were definitely prisoners rather than ethnically different settlers. Besides, the conditions of the camp would certainly lend themselves to abuses.
But I still suspect the original poster had confused the Japanese war camps at Topaz with Iosepa--even though they were two entirely different historical periods, locations, and ethnicities. But stranger things have happened among those with axes to grind! :) Though it's unclear just how well Topaz prisoners were treated, it probably wasn't good--they were definitely prisoners rather than ethnically different settlers. Besides, the conditions of the camp would certainly lend themselves to abuses.
To: John Lambert | 7:01 p.m. July 25, 2008
Please do a little research when referring to Iosepa. The natives of the pacific
were indeed moved to the west desert because of the racism and obstacles that
were presented to them in SLC. It may have been at least in part their choice to
move but how bad does racism have to be if you choose to move to the west
desert. Oh well it obviously doesn't matter the mormons got some good land
in Hawaii at the end of the day and the scale of economy out of the whole deal
so I guess all is well.
RE: 7:01 poster | 8:11 p.m. July 25, 2008
Guess what? I did the research on Iosepa. Didn't see one darn reference to
anything you're talking about. Could you please list your OBJECTIVE and
CREDIBLE sources--Wikipedia and anonymous websites don't count, and neither
do obvious anti-Mormons--where you're getting this information? (OK, fine,
don't worry about providing obviously PRO-Mormon sources, either.)
BTW: Instead of the "forced migration" hypothesis upon which you so forcefully insist, the typical historical pattern was that church leaders would call particular groups to settle certain areas. Besides, ethnic and religious groups tend to prefer to congregate together, where they can establish a shared culture. (Which sheds light on the substance of this DN article, no?)
So--Isn't it more likely that Iosepa was established in Skull Valley because Joseph F. Smith asked the Hawaiian Saints to settle there? And you'll definitely need to explain how allegedly spitting on Hawaiian Saints in SLC supposedly resulted in good land in Hawaii when the temple was built. It wouldn't seem to follow logically, somehow.
You ask for others to do research--let's see yours!
BTW: Instead of the "forced migration" hypothesis upon which you so forcefully insist, the typical historical pattern was that church leaders would call particular groups to settle certain areas. Besides, ethnic and religious groups tend to prefer to congregate together, where they can establish a shared culture. (Which sheds light on the substance of this DN article, no?)
So--Isn't it more likely that Iosepa was established in Skull Valley because Joseph F. Smith asked the Hawaiian Saints to settle there? And you'll definitely need to explain how allegedly spitting on Hawaiian Saints in SLC supposedly resulted in good land in Hawaii when the temple was built. It wouldn't seem to follow logically, somehow.
You ask for others to do research--let's see yours!
K | 8:23 p.m. July 25, 2008
I hope you coverted over dogma and not an imperfect priest at a Newman Center.
If a church were judged on it's worst member..... And the other posts
suggest that other churches have members who are imperfect at following the
advice of the church on behavior. Church isn't for the perfect.
John Lambert | 8:57 p.m. July 25, 2008
To K,
There are several LDS organizations aimed at college students. The most obvious are the LDSSA and Institue. Institue is a set of courses meant to be an indepth study of the scriptures and other gospel topics.
LDSSA is a campus organization. There are some schools that have LDSSAs but there are schools with well over 20,000 students that do not.
There are also student wards at many institutions, however these are few and far between in some parts of the United States.
This causes a continual flow of students from the Eastern United States to such schools as UVU which in turn undermines the number of LDS students in eastern schools.
There are several LDS organizations aimed at college students. The most obvious are the LDSSA and Institue. Institue is a set of courses meant to be an indepth study of the scriptures and other gospel topics.
LDSSA is a campus organization. There are some schools that have LDSSAs but there are schools with well over 20,000 students that do not.
There are also student wards at many institutions, however these are few and far between in some parts of the United States.
This causes a continual flow of students from the Eastern United States to such schools as UVU which in turn undermines the number of LDS students in eastern schools.
John Pack Lambert | 9:11 p.m. July 25, 2008
Two more thoughts on Iosepa,
First, I am not sure why people hate the "west Deseret" so much. That area is booming these days.
Second, there were Hawaiian whites in Iosepa, so the theory it was some sort of racist plot is just total nonesense.
On another note, the Church's ownership of land in Laie dates back to the 1860s and has absolutely nothing to do with Iosepa. Beyond that, this notion that BYU-Hawaii is some sort of imperialistic institution is malarky, almost half the students are from outside the US, and that is counting the students from Hawaii as from inside the US.
First, I am not sure why people hate the "west Deseret" so much. That area is booming these days.
Second, there were Hawaiian whites in Iosepa, so the theory it was some sort of racist plot is just total nonesense.
On another note, the Church's ownership of land in Laie dates back to the 1860s and has absolutely nothing to do with Iosepa. Beyond that, this notion that BYU-Hawaii is some sort of imperialistic institution is malarky, almost half the students are from outside the US, and that is counting the students from Hawaii as from inside the US.
CJ | 11:26 a.m. July 28, 2008
Next I would love to see an LDS friendly school in the southeast. Somewhere
outside of Atlanta would be a nice place. Too often we have to send our
children clear across the states to get what is offered at BYU.
PHDelVecchio | 10:47 a.m. July 29, 2008
To Skeptical Utah Man and SVU Who?: Nearly every one of your comments about SVU
is either dead wrong OR extremely inaccurate. SVU is not "bearly hanging on
by its fingernails"; it is growing very nicely. A new 3 milion dollar dorm
has just been completed! SVU does not accept "life experience" in
lieu of a high school diploma. Please do your due diligence before you bash.
Perhaps if you had attended SVU, you would have learned that from its great
Liberal Arts-based, well-rounded education......
To CJ - LDS School in S.E. | 10:49 a.m. July 29, 2008
There IS an LDS friendly school in the southeast: Southern Virginia
University!! visit the website at: www.svu.edu
Stand Up for SVU | 1:45 p.m. July 29, 2008
"Former SVU Student" writes that "(SVU's) professors are
third-rate at best, something to be expected considering the amount they are
paid."
How rude! Unless one is in the "professor-rating" business, one should state one's opinion as such, not as a strong factual statement. Former SVU Student's opinion is valid, of course, but only as that - an opinion. Many others would take issue with not only such an opinion, but the cavalier and unkind manner in which s/he seems to revel in the simplistic and unsubstantiated bashing of a large number of professional educators. There's more here than meets the eye, I sense.....
Secondly, s/he writes "The school has had difficulty in fund-raising because it is still not regionally accredited."
Again, this opinion-presented-as-fact is untrue and ill-informed. How does s/he presume to "know" this? Did s/he do a survey of potential SVU donors?
It is easy to just jot down "loose" bashes in this forum; hopefully the readers will have the savvy to discern "playing loose with the truth" from actual factual information.
Is SVU perfect? Of course not! Is it growing and improving every year (of its "youthful" 12 so far)? Absolutely! Is there Sincerity at SVU? Absolutely!
How rude! Unless one is in the "professor-rating" business, one should state one's opinion as such, not as a strong factual statement. Former SVU Student's opinion is valid, of course, but only as that - an opinion. Many others would take issue with not only such an opinion, but the cavalier and unkind manner in which s/he seems to revel in the simplistic and unsubstantiated bashing of a large number of professional educators. There's more here than meets the eye, I sense.....
Secondly, s/he writes "The school has had difficulty in fund-raising because it is still not regionally accredited."
Again, this opinion-presented-as-fact is untrue and ill-informed. How does s/he presume to "know" this? Did s/he do a survey of potential SVU donors?
It is easy to just jot down "loose" bashes in this forum; hopefully the readers will have the savvy to discern "playing loose with the truth" from actual factual information.
Is SVU perfect? Of course not! Is it growing and improving every year (of its "youthful" 12 so far)? Absolutely! Is there Sincerity at SVU? Absolutely!
shelton | 6:19 a.m. July 31, 2008
Altho I do like the idea of MORE LDS college opportunities, I do believe to keep
the sameness as BYU the names of any college the Church sets up as a "Churh
School" should bear the "name" BYU/Nevada etc. Conformity is
needed as the name BYU is respected in the educational community.
Chris | 2:40 a.m. Aug. 5, 2008
If they're going to do a Nauvoo one. I'd like to see it be called
Joseph Smith University instead...
Just because, you know, Smith is the man who led the saints to Nauvoo, leaded the church in Nauvoo, founded our church, ect.
I know BYU is so vital to the Mormonic lifestyle *eyeroll*, but I seriously want to see a college named for Joseph Smith and not Young.
Just because, you know, Smith is the man who led the saints to Nauvoo, leaded the church in Nauvoo, founded our church, ect.
I know BYU is so vital to the Mormonic lifestyle *eyeroll*, but I seriously want to see a college named for Joseph Smith and not Young.
Grateful for my Education- | 8:43 a.m. Aug. 6, 2008
I attended SVU. I graduated from SVU. I was accepted to other universities.
BYU was even closer to my home. I chose SVU for the experiences that it could
uniquely offer.
The class sizes were small.
I was educated in philosophy and literature and music and science and history and yes, religion- by qualified individuals who cared about the influence they had on their students.
I helped to build something in its growing stages.
I was involved in anything and everything that sparked my interest.
I spent time in DC, New York and Raleigh and studied outside of the USA on travel study programs.
The best decision I made for myself to date was to attend this imperfect and infant university.
And the decision was made by me and not by other influences.
The interest in these new universities is already there, and why not? Some people prefer small classes and it shows no lack of social or prior educational development. I revelled in the fact that I could go to school each day and talk about my faith side by side with the wisdom of the great thinkers of the past.
Having this option should be a choice.
The class sizes were small.
I was educated in philosophy and literature and music and science and history and yes, religion- by qualified individuals who cared about the influence they had on their students.
I helped to build something in its growing stages.
I was involved in anything and everything that sparked my interest.
I spent time in DC, New York and Raleigh and studied outside of the USA on travel study programs.
The best decision I made for myself to date was to attend this imperfect and infant university.
And the decision was made by me and not by other influences.
The interest in these new universities is already there, and why not? Some people prefer small classes and it shows no lack of social or prior educational development. I revelled in the fact that I could go to school each day and talk about my faith side by side with the wisdom of the great thinkers of the past.
Having this option should be a choice.
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Graduate Students have unlimited rights to hold books for a whole semester, which is made more annoying because so many books Wayne State has only one copy of.
The campus is always full of trash, the bathrooms of grafitti. They turn the tempeture in the buildings during the winter up to at least 80, I guess so the female students can still wear their spagetti strap tank tops in class.
People leave class early all the time.
Last but not least, Wayne State is about twice as expensive as BYU. This is with my instate tuition, if I was out of state it would be twice as expensive again.