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Utah Jazz: Top brass mulling over what to do with Miles
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Let Miles go!! | 2:56 a.m. July 22, 2008
Is this even a question? He is NOT worth the $4 or so million that we would have
to match to keep him here a year. We have other players that are more important
and who will need that money. Let him go, he doesn't even like it here,
he'll let you know on myspace or facebook. Not Utah Jazz material
Let my C.J. go | 6:58 a.m. July 22, 2008
Let C.J. go. Jazz need more money for cap space so we can sign Milly (makes
less than a million a year) and Brewer. Let Morris Almond step up into the
spot. He is more athletic than C.J. and at least he shows up to the revue. The
Sonics need all the help they can get and maybe C.J. can get more of a
consistent role on that young team.
Too bad.... | 7:11 a.m. July 22, 2008
with the Jazz loaded on the SG position its hard to get CJ Miles the minutes and
to understand really how talented CJ Miles is. CJ Miles is a superstar in the
making, he's got the skills and talent...it's too bad the Jazz
won't be able to keep CJ on the team. OKC wouldn't have offer CJ if he
wasn't any good! c'mon do the math, they offered you the money and
playing time....well CJ is gone for sure. Once he's playing for the other
team and averaging in double figures, Jazz will surely miss and regret letting
him go!!!
LOLZ.....If there's any consolation at least he's not going to the Lakers!!
LOLZ.....If there's any consolation at least he's not going to the Lakers!!
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People | 7:23 a.m. July 22, 2008
Don't you see what you watch? C. J. will be an allstar within 4 years. If
we let him go it will go down the biggest blunder in Jazz history.Not only is he
our best 2 but he can play the 3.( better than old man Harpring and we pay him
at least that much.)If the know what they are doing they will keep C.J. Mo
Almond is basically another one dimensional Korver so don't get your hopes
too high on him folks.
Anonymous | 7:24 a.m. July 22, 2008
Let C.J. go. There are more important players who will need the money down the
line. I wish C.J. well but he is not worth the money. That's whats wrong
with the NBA. Overpaid but as long as the fans keep going it will just keep
going up. I think it's time for the fans to boycott games.
I agree | 7:51 a.m. July 22, 2008
Miles needs to hit the road. He hasn't shown anything yet. I keep hearing
people say he has so much potential and it would be foolish to let him go, but
the truth is he just hasn't done much of anything and he won't get
many minutes to continue his development. Let him go to a team where he might
be able to play. Utah can use that money on more pressing needs.
Buck | 7:57 a.m. July 22, 2008
If the Jazz can't dump some salary, laying out more for C.J. is gonna put a
cramp in things. But we'll live to rue the day if they don't match.
BigPoet | 8:00 a.m. July 22, 2008
C.J. Miles is a huge, expensive problem. He should be dropped like a hot rock.
He cannot motivate himself and he cannot be consistent.
take a second look | 8:10 a.m. July 22, 2008
I'm a huge Morris Almond fan and also a basketball coach of many years.
Watching almond warm up and his shooting performance against only average
players in the review. I'm not sure if he is really as great a shooter as
some beleive. He doesn't really rebound it, get steals or assists. Super
duper person. Good but not great player.
Anonymous | 8:08 a.m. July 22, 2008
I just don't want to hear anyone say that Sloan didn't give him a
chance. He had a chance everyday in practice. When he played well in practice
two years ago, he was rewarded as the starting 2 guard at the beginning of the
season. Last year Brewer played better, and he won the starting job. You just
don't get handed minutes, you need to earn them.
CJ... | 8:08 a.m. July 22, 2008
unlike Kyle Korver and Mo Almond, has the talent to be a complete player in this
league.
Harpring was very good, but health issues have him standing very near the end of his career.
Sign CJ, trade Boozer and make the other necessary adjustments.
Harpring was very good, but health issues have him standing very near the end of his career.
Sign CJ, trade Boozer and make the other necessary adjustments.
Henry Drummond | 8:16 a.m. July 22, 2008
It was surprising to see ticket scalpers outside the revue games. My guess is
that they got burned pretty good since the stands were only about 70% full for
the Jazz game.
Mike | 8:18 a.m. July 22, 2008
CJ is a lot more athletic than Almond and has more talent and potential, but I
don't know about an allstar in 4 years. The west is stacked with guards
right now, and it still will be in 4 years. D-Will, Paul, Roy, Durrant,
Bayless(if he continues his summer league play in the NBA), Mayo, Rudy Gay,
Parker, Monta Ellis, and those are just the young guards. Then there's
Kobe, T-Mac, and Nash, and all three of them will be allstars as long as they
are in the league, so do you really think that CJ will be an allstar with that
group of gaurds in the West? If D-Will can't even make it on the team this
year, there's no way CJ will beat out those guys for an spot on the allstar
team.
Dallas Guy | 8:23 a.m. July 22, 2008
I figure a Dallas guy like Miles would rather go closer to home in OKC. It
seems like letting him go would be a win-win because Almond is more of a Sloan
guy and a better pure shooter--or as Sloan would say "a maker."
Chris | 8:42 a.m. July 22, 2008
The team only has so much money and its really hard to justify locking in CJ for
four years when I can't see where he will get playing time. OKC has cap
space and minute to give and the Jazz have neither. Its a no brainer to let
Almond step in CJ's spot duty role and save money for the many Jazz free
agents next year.
best solution | 8:49 a.m. July 22, 2008
Heres what the Jazz need to do;
They need to retain the rights of CJ. And since New Jersey has been dangling Sean Williams and Marcus Williams for veteran players, trade Matt Harpring and Jason Hart. I hate to see Harpring go because he is so tough, but he makes $6.5 mil a year and has that banged up knee. Give Korver his minutes, I know he is not as tough and may not be as good of a defender, but he can stay infront of his opponent pretty well, and he's a better shooter. Over all, this move would be more of a positive simply because he can shoot from anywhere on the court.
Give CJ the minutes Korver used to have to see what he can do. If he is as good as most of us bloggers think he is, well then he's worth the money. Besides with Korvers opt out clause next year, its wise to keep CJ for insurance. If CJ doesnt prosper as well as we all think he can, he will still only be 22 years old, and plenty of other teams would love to have his abilities on their team, trade him.
They need to retain the rights of CJ. And since New Jersey has been dangling Sean Williams and Marcus Williams for veteran players, trade Matt Harpring and Jason Hart. I hate to see Harpring go because he is so tough, but he makes $6.5 mil a year and has that banged up knee. Give Korver his minutes, I know he is not as tough and may not be as good of a defender, but he can stay infront of his opponent pretty well, and he's a better shooter. Over all, this move would be more of a positive simply because he can shoot from anywhere on the court.
Give CJ the minutes Korver used to have to see what he can do. If he is as good as most of us bloggers think he is, well then he's worth the money. Besides with Korvers opt out clause next year, its wise to keep CJ for insurance. If CJ doesnt prosper as well as we all think he can, he will still only be 22 years old, and plenty of other teams would love to have his abilities on their team, trade him.
No Way | 8:50 a.m. July 22, 2008
If the Jazz are able to get rid of AK and his contract (wishes-n-dreams) the
Jazz will wish they had CJ to slide into that 3 hole
Try this | 8:53 a.m. July 22, 2008
Why don't we keep CJ and then work like crazy to get rid of Korver? Korver
can opt out next year and even if he decides to stay he would make a great piece
in a trade because he would only have one year left on his deal. CJ is well
worth the risk at that price and if he gets more consistent minutes then he
would be worth the new contract. Also $4 million per year is not like a huge
contract for someone who is either a starter or a 15-20 minute per night guy.
Paul | 8:57 a.m. July 22, 2008
I dont know what Almond has to do for people to sour on him. He's no
better than any of these guys in the revue trying to make a team but who will
obviously end up in Europe. He is a good kid though. CJ is better and has more
potential in every way than Almond, plus Harpring is pretty much done. We need
CJ to step into his spot. This is hopefully a no brainer for the front office.
I guess we'll see if they are seeing what I'm seeing.
best solution part 2 | 9:00 a.m. July 22, 2008
Back to the New Jersey trade.
We get 2 potentially decent players in Marcus Williams, if he pans out he can be a great back up point guard (as much as I like Ronnie Price, we need someone who has point guard skills), and Sean Williams who is a defensive specialist in a power forwards body. I know we all ready have enough power forwards, but he is 6'10 and with a little more body weight and the right system, he can be another Ben Wallace. I know what you are all thinking, Ben Wallace is terrible. Remember how great of a player he was with Detriot, its because he was in the right system for his style of play. He was nothing before that and nothing after that. If Sean Williams doesnt work, its worth still worth the opportunity.
Here's why NJ likes this trade.
The get one of the toughest veterans in the NBA in Matt Harpring, whom is a good defender. Something that team is lacking. Jason Hart is just a throw in. Plus, they are giving up practically nothing.
I have tried to come up with a better solution, if you have one, let me know
We get 2 potentially decent players in Marcus Williams, if he pans out he can be a great back up point guard (as much as I like Ronnie Price, we need someone who has point guard skills), and Sean Williams who is a defensive specialist in a power forwards body. I know we all ready have enough power forwards, but he is 6'10 and with a little more body weight and the right system, he can be another Ben Wallace. I know what you are all thinking, Ben Wallace is terrible. Remember how great of a player he was with Detriot, its because he was in the right system for his style of play. He was nothing before that and nothing after that. If Sean Williams doesnt work, its worth still worth the opportunity.
Here's why NJ likes this trade.
The get one of the toughest veterans in the NBA in Matt Harpring, whom is a good defender. Something that team is lacking. Jason Hart is just a throw in. Plus, they are giving up practically nothing.
I have tried to come up with a better solution, if you have one, let me know
The Truth | 9:00 a.m. July 22, 2008
With so many players able to leave in the next year or two, why wouldn't
you lock CJ Miles up? The jazz let Snyder go because of CJ. Now to let CJ go
because of Almond? Brewer? you don't give up your assests. If this is what
the Jazz are about they might as well as do what Phoenix has been
doing....trading away their picks!! At least that way they aren't paying
them to sit the bench and then leave. I'm not sold on Almond
yet...CJ's got a great stroke, size and length and he's an athlete.
It's a managable contract in terms of pay and length. Move Harpring or
Collins if it puts you in the luxury tax range. CJ scores 26 in an NBA game and
the next game when JERRY didn't give him any love, He brings up the lack of
Revue time??? Politics.....develop CJ....if you don't like his
attitude/rap....trade him for a big. Let's not take to long on this one
Kevin C. lock him up!!
Dapper2k | 9:01 a.m. July 22, 2008
Congratulations CJ, you've just graduated from the Univeristy of Utah Jazz
and have been offered a rookie contract of 4 years and 15 million. Just one
more reason the minimum age in the NBA should be 21. The NBA shouldn't be
the developmental league.
I don't think CJ is worth the 3 to 4 million right now but by the end of the contract I think he will be worth it. He has all the skills and just needs to grow is Basketball IQ and defense.
Too bad I think he'll be a starter in 3 years here or in OKC but not worth the money for the Jazz to match the offer with the cap restrictions they face in the future. I don't see any way the Jazz can match.
I don't think CJ is worth the 3 to 4 million right now but by the end of the contract I think he will be worth it. He has all the skills and just needs to grow is Basketball IQ and defense.
Too bad I think he'll be a starter in 3 years here or in OKC but not worth the money for the Jazz to match the offer with the cap restrictions they face in the future. I don't see any way the Jazz can match.
Hollywood | 9:15 a.m. July 22, 2008
Almond's a "maker," alright. But he makes at a terrible
percentage and that's all he does. Even Sloan has criticized Almond's
tunnel vision and lack of assists. Morris can put up big numbers against fringe
players by shooting a ton of shots. The NBDL is not the NBA. Nor is the RMR (and
Almond ain't exactly setting the revue on fire).
CJ, in what little opportunity he got last year, proved he could be a decent backup - on the NBA level. Yes, he bombed as the starting SG. But that was 2 years ago.
I'm generally a Sloan supporter, but he's blown this one by holding a grudge against CJ. Sitting out the revue the past 2 seasons was a business decision by CJ and his agent. The risk of injury is real - just ask Russell Carter.
By the same logic, if Boozer opts out after next season to get a bigger, longer contract (a business decision), do you say, sorry Carlos, that proves you're not a team player and we don't want you anymore?
Grow up, Jerry. Put the best players on the court. CJ should be in the rotation instead of your pet favorite, Matt.
CJ, in what little opportunity he got last year, proved he could be a decent backup - on the NBA level. Yes, he bombed as the starting SG. But that was 2 years ago.
I'm generally a Sloan supporter, but he's blown this one by holding a grudge against CJ. Sitting out the revue the past 2 seasons was a business decision by CJ and his agent. The risk of injury is real - just ask Russell Carter.
By the same logic, if Boozer opts out after next season to get a bigger, longer contract (a business decision), do you say, sorry Carlos, that proves you're not a team player and we don't want you anymore?
Grow up, Jerry. Put the best players on the court. CJ should be in the rotation instead of your pet favorite, Matt.
JazzFanInHouston | 9:37 a.m. July 22, 2008
For 4 mil you can get some pretty good free agents right now. The mid market is
pretty soft. If the Jazz keep CJ they will probably trade him or Korver. I am
not sure they can trade CJ for 4 mil. Korver is worth more because he is
experienced and he has an expiring contract.
The Jazz will keep CJ if they think he is superior to Korver or if they think they can trade his new 4 mil contract for someone they need more at another position.
I suspect that CJ is gone or they would have traded Gordon G for a player at another position (not Korver). The Jazz have already indicated with the Korver trade that they do not feel that CJ is the answer at 2/3.
The Jazz will keep CJ if they think he is superior to Korver or if they think they can trade his new 4 mil contract for someone they need more at another position.
I suspect that CJ is gone or they would have traded Gordon G for a player at another position (not Korver). The Jazz have already indicated with the Korver trade that they do not feel that CJ is the answer at 2/3.
Have to match..... | 9:38 a.m. July 22, 2008
Oklahoma's offer for CJ. Look at it this way, CJ is one of the top 5
atheletes on this team. If we replace him with the pick that we made this year,
the Jazz loose a ton. He's a role player, at best, and if you've
watched Almond play, you know he's not ready to even sit the bench for the
Jazz this year. One more point, Harpring is one jump shot away from being out
for the season, we need CJ to be the back-up's back-up. Insurance, is it
worth $3.75 million/year?
GoJazz | 9:39 a.m. July 22, 2008
CJ has had his opportunities and can't seem to take advantage of them. I
know that the Bulls won't give Luol Deng straight up for him but do a sign
and trade for Deng. Deng would be a great fit at the 3. That would give us the
team that might actually, finally get over the hump and win a championship. I
think we should make something work to Deng to Utah.
Anonymous | 9:43 a.m. July 22, 2008
It seems many posters here has sure knowledge about what will happen with
Boozer, Korver, Okur or even Kirilenko. Nobody knows what's going to happen
with them next year. Three of them have opt-outs or player options kicking next
year, and anyone just knows Kirilenko is gone a soon as front office find a way
and that Harp's knees are virtual ones.
Give up on Miles is a mistake. You don't lose such kind of player, upside and investment because of what might happen with 3 or 4 guys that you really don�t know even if they will be here 10 months from now.
TO KEEP MILES IS THE ONLY GOOD CALL!
Give up on Miles is a mistake. You don't lose such kind of player, upside and investment because of what might happen with 3 or 4 guys that you really don�t know even if they will be here 10 months from now.
TO KEEP MILES IS THE ONLY GOOD CALL!
Surgeman | 9:56 a.m. July 22, 2008
You do not GIVE AWAY a player with CJ's potential to another team in your
own division! NEXT YEAR is when cap space is the BIG issue. If we match the
offer we will have another year to develop him and hope he MATURES in that time.
KEEP HIM, or do a sign and trade to an East coast team. Also, keep in mind the
Josh Childress situation.
akk | 10:08 a.m. July 22, 2008
Go Kevin... You have alot of talent on this roster... lets see you make the some
moves to maximise your assets. It would be too bad to get nothing for Miles but
not the end of the world. 2 for 1 trade that upgrades the gaurd or center
position would be great.
Re Best Solution | 10:13 a.m. July 22, 2008
Keep dreaming, there is nothing in this trade that makes any sense for both
teams. For NJ, why would they want an injury-prone veteran on his way out AND a
flop like hart? Giving away young guys for something like that is just
ridiculous. Second, why would the jazz want a back-up point guard and a 3rd
power forward? We need a center, not a point guard or power forward. Have we
not learned from our glutton of SGs? Sorry, this trade idea is not very good at
all for either team and it will never happen. People quit including Hart in
trades, we dont want him why would anyone else?
RE:the truth | 10:24 a.m. July 22, 2008
The truth? You can't handle the truth. The real truth is CJ has only had
a few games where he has shown promise. The game where he scored 29 points in
place of injured AK and Brewer that you reference isn't justification for
signing him for 15 million over 4 years. First of all, look who they were
playing. Washington. This wasn't San Antonio or the Lakers that he
dropped 29 points on. Secondly, you don't just bench AK who actually has a
contract for millions and Brewer who won the starting job over Miles. Did he
deserve more mintues? Probably, but to say he needs to be signed because he had
a couple good games against average teams doesn't make sense. He has
potential, but the guy has been given chances to prove himself and he
hasn't done it. The Jazz should not match the offer.
Dick of the NW | 10:30 a.m. July 22, 2008
So many here are focused on scoring and not the other aspects of the game like
rebounding, passing, steals, defense, toughness and judgement. Kover and
Harping, because of experience, have a much higher BB IQ. What do you think
Miles is doing now? Working out every day to stay in shape and honing is
skills...NOT. CJ has good physical skills but lacks the work ethic. He came out
of high school but the money has blinded him. It came too easy and he
hasn't put forth the effort to get to the next level. On the other hand,
he may be a good asset to keep unless he doesn't fit with the other moves
the Jazz may be contemplating. If CJ is so hot why haven't other teams
signed him to offer sheets? OK made him an offer just to get their salaries up
to the minimum and he'd be a nice fit.
Reading these posts | 10:47 a.m. July 22, 2008
makes me wonder if these are just 12 year olds typing away or someone who
acutally knows what they are talking about. "Don't give away a player
with CJ's potential to a team within your own division". What an
absurd remark. Watch out, OKC is going to be a major juggernaut in the West
next season. They are terrible, and adding CJ isn't going to turn them
into a winning franchise.
cj or mj | 10:49 a.m. July 22, 2008
the only difference between cj and mj is the first letter of their initials,
about three mvps, six championships, 30 points a game, and 30 million a year.
Cj's not mj, but he does have the same second letter for his initials, that's gotta be worth four million a year, not to mention he's a young, athletic, versatile, hardworking, humble, respectful, teamworker, talented, lots of potential to be a differnece maker player.
you gotta retain cj, after the year is over, there will be some major personnel decisions to be made, knowing cj is locked up is an option you'll want. The case could be you're going out looking for a free agent to do his job, the chances of getting someone as good as he is for the price is not very likely.
His potenital is real, not just talked about potential like a draft pick, he's proven he can do it at the nba level. Lock him up, and try to trick sloan into thinking it is his good idea to give him minutes.
Cj's not mj, but he does have the same second letter for his initials, that's gotta be worth four million a year, not to mention he's a young, athletic, versatile, hardworking, humble, respectful, teamworker, talented, lots of potential to be a differnece maker player.
you gotta retain cj, after the year is over, there will be some major personnel decisions to be made, knowing cj is locked up is an option you'll want. The case could be you're going out looking for a free agent to do his job, the chances of getting someone as good as he is for the price is not very likely.
His potenital is real, not just talked about potential like a draft pick, he's proven he can do it at the nba level. Lock him up, and try to trick sloan into thinking it is his good idea to give him minutes.
korvers locked in | 11:37 a.m. July 22, 2008
who ever posted that korver can opt out after the season needs to get their
facts straight, and take a class in responsible posting.
korver is locked in for the next three years, with no options. his last year, 2011, he'll be making about 5 and a half big ones. that's one of the best contracts in the nba.
brewer is a freeagent after this year, and if the jazz resign brewer they'd be paying him cj type money, but a good question to ask, will another team offer brewer, the cj type money-or if the jazz keep brewer will they be overpaying him, like they did with harpring. the jazz are probably the only team who would pay brewer 4mill.
i'd hate to see cj go because we're overpaying an aging harpring, who looks to be locked up for the next two years, and harpring isn't as easy to trade as miles.
i don't know enough about almond to know whether he's better than harpring or cj, but i doubt it. he'll probably spend most of his time in the dleague this year, then go through the same process cj has just gone through, if he's good enough.
korver is locked in for the next three years, with no options. his last year, 2011, he'll be making about 5 and a half big ones. that's one of the best contracts in the nba.
brewer is a freeagent after this year, and if the jazz resign brewer they'd be paying him cj type money, but a good question to ask, will another team offer brewer, the cj type money-or if the jazz keep brewer will they be overpaying him, like they did with harpring. the jazz are probably the only team who would pay brewer 4mill.
i'd hate to see cj go because we're overpaying an aging harpring, who looks to be locked up for the next two years, and harpring isn't as easy to trade as miles.
i don't know enough about almond to know whether he's better than harpring or cj, but i doubt it. he'll probably spend most of his time in the dleague this year, then go through the same process cj has just gone through, if he's good enough.
Keep Cj | 11:53 a.m. July 22, 2008
D-Will has even said he wants Cj to stay in "the baddest way" we want
to keep D-Will happy. people who are critizizing his work ethic are just plain
stupid do you know him personally to know if he is working out or not???? Also
all the people who are saying Cj needs to go so Almond can get playing
time......have you ever watched him play he is just a ballhog who shoots
everytime he touches the ball, we don't need that on our team. I say we
keep Cj especially when Matts Knee's go out.......
Re: Reading these posts | 12:09 p.m. July 22, 2008
Twelve-year olds? I'm sorry but parts of your argument were no more logical
than the arguments of those you seem keen on mocking. You're right, C.J.
Miles alone isn't going to make OKC a juggernaut in the West next season.
But if you consider the young talent (assuming C.J. joins) OKC is compiling--in
a few years--I don't think it would surprise many if OKC becomes a
contender in the future.
That quote you so thoroughly mocked, "Don't give away a player with CJ's potential to a team within your own division," has some potential truth. If Miles does reach his potential he has a shot at becoming a solid SG in this league. If that happens, the Jazz will have four opportunities to play him each season, and possibly more in the playoffs. With the Jazz's futile attempts to guard the SG position it could come back to bite them. For a more mature, superior basketball mind, you sure don't show a lot of foresight.
That quote you so thoroughly mocked, "Don't give away a player with CJ's potential to a team within your own division," has some potential truth. If Miles does reach his potential he has a shot at becoming a solid SG in this league. If that happens, the Jazz will have four opportunities to play him each season, and possibly more in the playoffs. With the Jazz's futile attempts to guard the SG position it could come back to bite them. For a more mature, superior basketball mind, you sure don't show a lot of foresight.
Grant | 12:19 p.m. July 22, 2008
I wish CJ the best with his new Team. The Jazz have brought in Korver, Almond
and Brewer to fill the need at the shooting guard position, the funny thing is
that with all this talent Jerry still really isn't happy with any of them
that is why he is filling the position by committe. Why is it so hard to get a
40 minutes a night guy who has a consistent shot and who plays solid defense.
JazzFanInHouston | 12:52 p.m. July 22, 2008
The Jazz maybe able to pick up Pargo for 4 mil. That maybe better than keeping
CJ for 4 mil.
The key to Jazz success seems to be in changing the 6 thru 10 position players. The Jazz were a lot weaker after losing Fisher (backup for Jazz, starter for LA). They were much stronger after trading GG for Korver.
CJ could be insurance for injury but the market is good for making a move right now. The Jazz need help at Center and at small forward. However, maybe Fes can develop enough to cover the backup center spot. If Harping has an injury Korver can play more. Or the Jazz can go after a true small forward.
Adding Pargo may make the whole second team more efficient. PG seems to be the key position for the Jazz offense. Pargo may also be able to log minutes at shooting guard on the second team as D Will works a lot of minutes.
The key to Jazz success seems to be in changing the 6 thru 10 position players. The Jazz were a lot weaker after losing Fisher (backup for Jazz, starter for LA). They were much stronger after trading GG for Korver.
CJ could be insurance for injury but the market is good for making a move right now. The Jazz need help at Center and at small forward. However, maybe Fes can develop enough to cover the backup center spot. If Harping has an injury Korver can play more. Or the Jazz can go after a true small forward.
Adding Pargo may make the whole second team more efficient. PG seems to be the key position for the Jazz offense. Pargo may also be able to log minutes at shooting guard on the second team as D Will works a lot of minutes.
Dev | 12:58 p.m. July 22, 2008
You all make me laugh how all you think you know what is best for the Jazz. I
trust Jazz management they have a good track record and I trust and support
whatever decision they make. The know so much more about the NBA than you or I
will ever know. If they don't resign CJ I hope they can get a sign and
trade out of it for like a future draft pick
re:re: reading these posts | 1:09 p.m. July 22, 2008
I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had President of the CJ Miles fan club
in here. So you really think OKC will be a contender in the future? You
didn't specify if that was in the near future or distant future. If you
were to say 35 years, then yes they may be contenders by that time, but within 4
or 5 years? I seriously doubt it. As far as the shooting guards Utah has had
trouble defending, they usually have been star caliber players like Bryant and
Mcgrady. CJ has potential to be good, but I wouldn't go as far to say
he'll be that good.
JazzFanInHouston | 1:20 p.m. July 22, 2008
If the Jazz could get Pargo they could move Price.
Price probably has more trade value than CJ as he has more experience and decent stats. Price and/or Hart/Collins might be moved for a back up sf.
Hart (expiring contract) may have some value if he is not hurt.
Price probably has more trade value than CJ as he has more experience and decent stats. Price and/or Hart/Collins might be moved for a back up sf.
Hart (expiring contract) may have some value if he is not hurt.
Tyler | 1:29 p.m. July 22, 2008
I got one word... How many of you let Mo Williams people would say the same
thing now. Sure DWheel come in and saved the day, but would if the jazz would
have not been able to get him. Letting Mo Williams go was a huge mistake...
So maybe we should learn something from that.
Tyler
So maybe we should learn something from that.
Tyler
Re:re:re:reading these posts | 1:39 p.m. July 22, 2008
You forgot to include Martell Webster as a star SG, who lit up the Jazz
recently. Oh wait, Webster a star...? In no way shape or form would I consider
myself president of the CJ Miles fan club. I am not even a Jazz fan, just a
curious observer since I live in this state. My opinion is Miles has a chance to
be a nice player in this league. I am not one claiming him to a future all-star
or MVP candidate, but a relevant starter who can win his team some games is not
out of the question.
And yes, I do believe OKC can be a contender in 4-5 years. Why can't they? They're rebuilding around an all-world talent (Durant), they have potential star role players (Jeff Green, Russell Westbrook), a mountain of future cap space and a bevy of draft picks. Though not in the same stage of development yet, their efforts to rebuild seem similar to that of the Trailblazers, a team that Jazz fans can officially begin to worry about. Most basketball heady fans understand those elements usually provide a future winner. Don't believe me? Ask your own Jazz team.
And yes, I do believe OKC can be a contender in 4-5 years. Why can't they? They're rebuilding around an all-world talent (Durant), they have potential star role players (Jeff Green, Russell Westbrook), a mountain of future cap space and a bevy of draft picks. Though not in the same stage of development yet, their efforts to rebuild seem similar to that of the Trailblazers, a team that Jazz fans can officially begin to worry about. Most basketball heady fans understand those elements usually provide a future winner. Don't believe me? Ask your own Jazz team.
Benton | 1:40 p.m. July 22, 2008
I am so completley perplexed by how many idiots there are that actually believe
CJ miles is worth throwing away. I ask, why pay a guy for three year developing
him just so he can go play well for another team! Are all of you blind!?!
Morris Almond is one dimensional...sure he can shoot but we need someone that
has the ability/potential to make a play off the dribble. CJ has shown that
ability. When given the chance last year CJ really stepped up and played well.
Everyone on here says he's not worth the money???!!! Is anyone in the NBA
getting paid what they deserve? I firmly believe the Jazz should match this deal
and get rid of whats necessary in order to make the money work(if at all
possible Hart and Collins would be my first choice). About Hart.... I
don't even think he could start on a jr. jazz allstar team. The guy is
horribly unskilled and has an obvious lack of ability. Its mind blowing to
think he's getting what he is. Sure am glad I'm not KOC! Go Jazz
CJ | 2:02 p.m. July 22, 2008
One thing that I believe many people are forgetting. CJ can also play the small
forward position. Hopefully the Jazz can dump AK's salary onto someone
else. If this happens, your small forwards will be Matt Harpring and CJ Miles.
(I consider Paul Millsap a Power Forward).
Do It Already | 2:19 p.m. July 22, 2008
Sign him, sign him, sign him! CJ has been an investment for 3 years. He's
got the skills, not only offensively but defensively as well. Anybody else see
him on the boards with his long arms? He's seriously got everything to be a
great player in the league.
I love Brewer and Korver (yes he is a specialist and not a great defender, but teams need those types of players as well--Steve Kerr, Sean Elliot). Not so sure about Almond. But keep him and CJ through the summer and training camp. If needed, trade one of them part way through the season and get something decent in return. It's not a hard decision. Come on Jazz!
I love Brewer and Korver (yes he is a specialist and not a great defender, but teams need those types of players as well--Steve Kerr, Sean Elliot). Not so sure about Almond. But keep him and CJ through the summer and training camp. If needed, trade one of them part way through the season and get something decent in return. It's not a hard decision. Come on Jazz!
magnus | 2:31 p.m. July 22, 2008
c'mon Jazz fans, lets be real here for a second. Lets talk about the
reality of this situation for a second here:
First, I think alot of this depends on what Harprings plans are, because lets face it, he is going to retire in Utah and this young Jazz team needs his leadership and toughness. If he is planning on playing through the end of his contract (two more years) then there really isn't any place on this team for CJ for 2 years and it makes no sense to pay him 3-4 mil to sit around. On the other hand if Harp thinks this year will be his last it may be worth keeping CJ.
Second, CJ has done nothing to endear himself to coach Sloan or the Jazz organization, I mean he should have played in the Review last year and he could have played this year while his agent was knocking on doors trying to find a contract, but he didn't.
I think the Jazz should let him go and spend their time trying to find some muscle to beef up their frontcourt.
First, I think alot of this depends on what Harprings plans are, because lets face it, he is going to retire in Utah and this young Jazz team needs his leadership and toughness. If he is planning on playing through the end of his contract (two more years) then there really isn't any place on this team for CJ for 2 years and it makes no sense to pay him 3-4 mil to sit around. On the other hand if Harp thinks this year will be his last it may be worth keeping CJ.
Second, CJ has done nothing to endear himself to coach Sloan or the Jazz organization, I mean he should have played in the Review last year and he could have played this year while his agent was knocking on doors trying to find a contract, but he didn't.
I think the Jazz should let him go and spend their time trying to find some muscle to beef up their frontcourt.
To CJ supporters | 2:36 p.m. July 22, 2008
Potential does not equate to performance. What CJ has lacked in the past and
still lacks is the ability to perform under controlled circumstances (i.e. the
off season and in training camp)let alone during game-time. He is not a
"clutch player" like some other stars in the NBA where they can be lax
in practice and then shine at game-time. So, the Jazz gave him 3 years to
perform to his potential and he has been a disappointment. All of you CJ fans
think that 4 mil a year will motivate him to live up to his potential? Why?
With that kind of money he can continue to do the same thing he has always done:
Not work with the Jazz trainers in the off season; not come to the RMR to
showcase his ability; not perform during game time.
biff | 2:51 p.m. July 22, 2008
Mo Almond the mvp of the d-league does more than
just shoot.....anybody see the elevation he got last
night and dunked over the top of 2 iranians.
awsome.....those who say he isn't athletic are
nuts....as far as an nba body he puts Miles to
shame, with DWill at point Almond is just what
the jazz need now. If Miles can't motivate himself
now what makes you all think he will after he has
gotten the money. No, Almond he's a harder worker
and a better talent as well. We will never know
how good Miles would do as the review, since he
would never show. Attitude is everything!
just shoot.....anybody see the elevation he got last
night and dunked over the top of 2 iranians.
awsome.....those who say he isn't athletic are
nuts....as far as an nba body he puts Miles to
shame, with DWill at point Almond is just what
the jazz need now. If Miles can't motivate himself
now what makes you all think he will after he has
gotten the money. No, Almond he's a harder worker
and a better talent as well. We will never know
how good Miles would do as the review, since he
would never show. Attitude is everything!
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