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McCain backs vouchers
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One more reason . . . | 7:04 a.m. July 17, 2008
. . . to vote against McCain. Why am I not surprised.
sob | 9:30 a.m. July 17, 2008
why is it that the only ones who support vouchers are the high income folks who
think their kids shouldn't have to "put up with" public school
education with the lower classes. and to do so want the government to take money
from the lower classes to give to them.
saying that they would use if for inner city or less affluent schools is an out right lie, the machiavelian bush method.
saying that they would use if for inner city or less affluent schools is an out right lie, the machiavelian bush method.
SJ from Orem | 9:43 a.m. July 17, 2008
I like Obama. Can we really destroy our nuclear stockpile? That is what it
will take to get rid of all nuclear weapons, and the US has a history of
opposing disarming itself.
I dislike McCain. Vouchers for the poor do not work, at least in Utah. We have private schools that are so close to closing because the enrollment drops cause tuition increases causing enrollment drops. Only the top private schools that are selective in their enrollment procedures are thriving. I might vote for you if Mitt is VP, but I would still likely favor Obama.
I dislike McCain. Vouchers for the poor do not work, at least in Utah. We have private schools that are so close to closing because the enrollment drops cause tuition increases causing enrollment drops. Only the top private schools that are selective in their enrollment procedures are thriving. I might vote for you if Mitt is VP, but I would still likely favor Obama.
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mmhintze | 10:50 a.m. July 17, 2008
I'm not a "high income folks who think their kids shouldn't have
to "put up with" public school education". My children attend a
charter school which is free tuition. I am all about parental choice in
education and the vouchers just offer one more aspect of that choice.
Tyler | 11:18 a.m. July 17, 2008
Vouchers or Teacher Pay? What do you think will be the greater influence on
education. Greater choice or greater teachers? As for me I beleive that greater
teachers will do the job for "the majority". We all witnessed this in
Utah when Vouchers was voted down by a very large vote and by almost a unanimous
vote, voted for teacher salary increase. It's quite obvious what the people
think - and hey what is this government all about? For the peoeple. My only
advise would be to make less stipulations for those children that need a
different school so they can attend that school that best fits their needs. As
for the rest of us let's get the best teachers we can!
Vouchers are civil rights | 12:06 p.m. July 17, 2008
It's interesting to me that many states were against civil rights in the
1960's too. It took some time for their citizenry to evolve to recognize
that all citizens deserve equal access and equal rights.
Vouchers are simply a form of civil rights. Parents should have the right to determine such an important thing as where their child spend the majority of his time each day. Right now only the rich can make a choice. Civil rights dictate that all parents deserve this choice.
There will come a time when this will be obvious and it will be embarrassing that Utahns took so long to understand. It is interesting to talk to one of the new parents in the 20's and get their take on school choice - they can't understand why there is anything else but free choice. It is the entrenched members of society with a stake in the status quo that keep us in the dark ages with regard to educating our kids.
New Zealand went 100% choice years ago. The government pays for your child to attend any school. 85% stayed in public schools, which improved. Parents got what they wanted, so did teachers.
Vouchers are simply a form of civil rights. Parents should have the right to determine such an important thing as where their child spend the majority of his time each day. Right now only the rich can make a choice. Civil rights dictate that all parents deserve this choice.
There will come a time when this will be obvious and it will be embarrassing that Utahns took so long to understand. It is interesting to talk to one of the new parents in the 20's and get their take on school choice - they can't understand why there is anything else but free choice. It is the entrenched members of society with a stake in the status quo that keep us in the dark ages with regard to educating our kids.
New Zealand went 100% choice years ago. The government pays for your child to attend any school. 85% stayed in public schools, which improved. Parents got what they wanted, so did teachers.
educrat | 12:07 p.m. July 17, 2008
mmhintzee,
Approve Vouchers and watch as that free public school education at your Charter evaporates as the school transitions from Public to Private. While this won't happen immediately at all Charter Schools, more than one have this as a plan 'once' Vouchers are available.
Approve Vouchers and watch as that free public school education at your Charter evaporates as the school transitions from Public to Private. While this won't happen immediately at all Charter Schools, more than one have this as a plan 'once' Vouchers are available.
I already support public schools | 12:22 p.m. July 17, 2008
. . . through my taxes. Why should I also be forced to support private schools
through tax-supported vouchers? If prople want to send their children to
private schools, let them pay the tuition themselves. Keep the money in the
public schools, and use it to make the schools better.
Re: Vouchers are Civil Rights | 12:58 p.m. July 17, 2008
Go back to school and learn to think.
wrz | 3:15 p.m. July 17, 2008
McMain is crazy. Doesn't he know that this is a sensitive subject and that
the majority are against it? He seems to have no sense of what the people
want.
Same with amnesty for illegals. He wants amnesty. The people don't.
He will never get elected unless he starts listening to the voters.
Same with amnesty for illegals. He wants amnesty. The people don't.
He will never get elected unless he starts listening to the voters.
Brother Chuck Schroeder | 4:16 p.m. July 17, 2008
So Senator McCain spoke to the NAALCP convention, the National Association of
Liberal Colored People. The NAALCP has been fine and hunky-dory with all of the
union control of the public school system, which includes many of their members
and employees and so forth. Sen McCain in Cincinnati, at the NAALCP convention,
practically endorsing Obama for the presidency is another flip flop for him. Is
anybody at the NAALCP going to say, "You know, Senator McCain came in here,
and he had such great things to say about Obama. I think I'll vote for
McCain ?". Heck no!. Than why even be there?. McCain is not going to go to
the NAALCP and say, "Do you remember when you called my party the Taliban
?." He's not going to do that. This is a new campaign ?. While all
this is going on, Joe Biden and all these other libs are out there excoriating
McCain, trying to destroy the integrity and the substance of his war record.
Get with it Sen McCain, so you'll have my vote in November 2008 along with Mitt for VP, and knock-off the moderate/liberal flip floping your doing to hurt the GOP.
Get with it Sen McCain, so you'll have my vote in November 2008 along with Mitt for VP, and knock-off the moderate/liberal flip floping your doing to hurt the GOP.
wrz | 5:51 p.m. July 17, 2008
Vouchers are civil rights | 12:06 p.m. July 17, 2008
"Vouchers are simply a form of civil rights. Parents should have the right to determine such an important thing as where their child spend the majority of his time each day. Right now only the rich can make a choice. Civil rights dictate that all parents deserve this choice."
Eduction may be a civil right but that doesn't mean that the government must pay for it. In America the government decided to provide a free education for everyone, the reason being is that free people need to be educated to remain free. If you are dissatisfied with the type of education the government has decided to supply, you can go out and get what you think you need... and pay for it.
"Vouchers are simply a form of civil rights. Parents should have the right to determine such an important thing as where their child spend the majority of his time each day. Right now only the rich can make a choice. Civil rights dictate that all parents deserve this choice."
Eduction may be a civil right but that doesn't mean that the government must pay for it. In America the government decided to provide a free education for everyone, the reason being is that free people need to be educated to remain free. If you are dissatisfied with the type of education the government has decided to supply, you can go out and get what you think you need... and pay for it.
Fred | 6:21 p.m. July 17, 2008
Vouchers do give you the freedom to choose which school to send your children
to. You already have that right. Vouchers are a way for you to have tax payers
help foot the bill for the choice you want to make
Fred | 6:21 p.m. July 17, 2008
Sorry typo on the previous comment. Vouchers do not give you the right to
choose which school to send your students to. You already have that right.
Vouchers are simply a scheme to get the tax payers to help support your choice
poor Mitt - what would he do? | 8:34 p.m. July 17, 2008
Mitt Romney isn't the only casualty in his failed presidential bid. The
Mormon church, yearning for broad acceptance, also took a beating.Extremists
denounced Romney's campaign as a Mormon plot to take over the country. Some
Evangelicals feared that a Mormon in the White House would draw more converts to
his faith.Mormon practices were picked apart, even ones that had been abandoned
long ago such as polygamy. Romney tried to focus on politics, but was often
asked about sacred Mormon undergarments.The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints anticipated some of the backlash and tried to get ahead of it. Well
before the former Massachusetts governor officially announced his candidacy,
Mormon officials started traveling the country, speaking with reporters and
editorial writers about the LDS church and its political neutrality. The goal
was to protect the church. But nonpartisanship handicapped the denomination when
it needed a vigorous defense.
l | 10:45 p.m. July 17, 2008
So will Utahns vote for the pro-voucher republican? This will be interesting to
watch.
Friends | 10:58 p.m. July 17, 2008
I want access to the same education McCain was fortunate enough to enjoy. If
vouchers are the answer, so be it.
However,
Maybe you could leave off the rape jokes and jokes about a woman's physical appearence. Maybe add some courses on World Map Study. Maybe leave off some of the education, at home, given by a woman who says disparaging things about a christian religion currently numbering around 13 million souls. Maybe leave off the carefully calculated ability to flip/flop. Maybe a few more lessons on honoring marriage vows. There could (will) be more items. However, no one is perfect!
However,
Maybe you could leave off the rape jokes and jokes about a woman's physical appearence. Maybe add some courses on World Map Study. Maybe leave off some of the education, at home, given by a woman who says disparaging things about a christian religion currently numbering around 13 million souls. Maybe leave off the carefully calculated ability to flip/flop. Maybe a few more lessons on honoring marriage vows. There could (will) be more items. However, no one is perfect!
Anonymous | 1:12 p.m. July 20, 2008
You can't get the same education as McCain unless you're an
admiral's son too. At 892 in a class of 899 with as many discipline
problems as McCain had, absent being an admiral's son, you'd be kicked
out.
I'm a taxpayer | 5:39 p.m. July 20, 2008
I'm a Utahn and a taxpayer. A certain percent of the taxes I pay are
distributed to the public education system. Then the millions of funds are
allocated to the districts and schools to educate the children.
If we divide all of the funds allocated to public education by the number of students, we would come up with a number (a few thousand per year).
I believe I should have the choice where these funds are going to educate my children. If a school teaches the big bang theory, or hands out condoms I should have a choice to choose a school the uses the philosophy and teaches the content with which I agree.
Giving the money to parents and allowing them to choose where the funds will be distributed will foster positive competition and improve all choices available to parents and children. This free-market system is exactly what our state and country needs.
Competent teachers shouldn't worry about losing their job, because the private schools that are run well, will attract more students hire more teachers. It's the tenured uncaring, incompetent teachers that nobody would hire that should worry.
If we divide all of the funds allocated to public education by the number of students, we would come up with a number (a few thousand per year).
I believe I should have the choice where these funds are going to educate my children. If a school teaches the big bang theory, or hands out condoms I should have a choice to choose a school the uses the philosophy and teaches the content with which I agree.
Giving the money to parents and allowing them to choose where the funds will be distributed will foster positive competition and improve all choices available to parents and children. This free-market system is exactly what our state and country needs.
Competent teachers shouldn't worry about losing their job, because the private schools that are run well, will attract more students hire more teachers. It's the tenured uncaring, incompetent teachers that nobody would hire that should worry.
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