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Dave Langi | 9:56 a.m. July 16, 2008
Being an immigrant myself, it is amusing to read the perceptions within the
community. PERSONALLY, IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, GO HOME AND TRY IT LEGALLY!
But if you have the avenues, i.e. appeal process, to pursue, by all means, do
it. The automatic assumption there is special treatment to others because of
who they are does not justify why we should stay here illegaly. If we are this
sophisticated, our native country probably need us to help them get out of the
corruption that is pushing us to come here in the first place.
John Lambert | 9:57 a.m. July 16, 2008
I am tired of people using the term alien. These are our brothers and
sisters, fellow children of God.
I am also tired of people acting as if people who pick vegetables, clean housese, fix up yards, work the night shift in meat packing plants and generally get treated like dirt by their employers also need the rest of us treating them as less than fully human.
All people deserve respect. My sister-in-law who was born in Mexico came here legally and is a United States citizen. So stop acting like all Mexicans are undocumented immigrants.
I have also know many undocumented immigrants. They were all hard working and moral people, who had generally decided it was more inportant to full fill their duty to be a breadwinner for their family. With US factories in Mexico employing mostly women and US agriculture underselling Mexican farmers, what other choice did they have but to come to the United States and work long hours building houses in Las Vegas in the hot sun?
I am also tired of people acting as if people who pick vegetables, clean housese, fix up yards, work the night shift in meat packing plants and generally get treated like dirt by their employers also need the rest of us treating them as less than fully human.
All people deserve respect. My sister-in-law who was born in Mexico came here legally and is a United States citizen. So stop acting like all Mexicans are undocumented immigrants.
I have also know many undocumented immigrants. They were all hard working and moral people, who had generally decided it was more inportant to full fill their duty to be a breadwinner for their family. With US factories in Mexico employing mostly women and US agriculture underselling Mexican farmers, what other choice did they have but to come to the United States and work long hours building houses in Las Vegas in the hot sun?
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The Deuce | 10:03 a.m. July 16, 2008
I have a couple of colleagues who immigrated to the US through legal channels.
They are very outspoken about the number of illegal immigrants in the US that
crossed the boarders illegally. While our laws need revision, they are the laws
and should be obeyed. The family in the article fully intend to obey the law.
They have a tough situation that illustrates the fact that our immigration laws
need to be revised. This is the exact opposite for people who sneak across our
boarders and do not follow the law. Don't make this a racial issue as
everyone seems to try and do these days. It seems that we all have sympathy for
those that break the law and are less sympathetic to those that try and obey the
law. Strange value system we have going.
TonyB | 10:06 a.m. July 16, 2008
Anonymous- No because CIS took more than three months to notify them they were
out of status, they can't come back for 10 years.
The rule of law should rule.
The rule of law should rule.
John Lambert | 10:08 a.m. July 16, 2008
To Wierd Story,
You are the one who does not understand. It is much cheaper to go to LDSBC if you are living with your family in South Jordan than if you have to rent a residence.
However it is worse than that. If you have just been deported than you will have to began the process to get an education visa. She definantly will not make it for the fall sememster, assuming her family can afford sending her to school. Also, there are complicated rules about re-entry that she wil face.
One more thing, it is easy for Utah people to say "you can still go to BYU even if you don't live in Utah". It is much harder for people who live in England to fully function so far away from their family.
You are the one who does not understand. It is much cheaper to go to LDSBC if you are living with your family in South Jordan than if you have to rent a residence.
However it is worse than that. If you have just been deported than you will have to began the process to get an education visa. She definantly will not make it for the fall sememster, assuming her family can afford sending her to school. Also, there are complicated rules about re-entry that she wil face.
One more thing, it is easy for Utah people to say "you can still go to BYU even if you don't live in Utah". It is much harder for people who live in England to fully function so far away from their family.
John Lambert | 10:12 a.m. July 16, 2008
Hatch has been in the forefront of defending families from many localities to
stay in the United States. Your unfounded and mean-spirited accusations of
being a racist will not hold up to scruting of facts.
Cats | 10:15 a.m. July 16, 2008
To Robert H: another example of a Democrat masquerading as a "Life-Long
Republican" to attack Chaffetz.
Boy, the Spencer campaign is spending a lot of time on the blogs. It sure is a cheap way to attack your opponent when you can't raise any money, isn't it.
Boy, the Spencer campaign is spending a lot of time on the blogs. It sure is a cheap way to attack your opponent when you can't raise any money, isn't it.
Same Story as Others | 10:56 a.m. July 16, 2008
This situation is the exact same story as the 50% or so illegal aliens in the
country now. They come here on a temporary visa. But to them it means
"permanent". So, when the time comes to go home, they are offended we
have such a screwed up immigration system. This family should have tried to
come in on a permanent status to begin with, even if it would take 20 years to
be accepted. They knew from the beginning this was only a temporary visa.
MCS | 11:21 a.m. July 16, 2008
For those who have been affected by this story...the family must sell everything
they own in order to obey the law. They are having a "moving" sale
this Saturday (July 19) in South Jordan off of Yorkshire Drive. Even if you
don't find a treasure to buy, any support would mean the world to them.
Thanks!
Former legal immigrant | 11:24 a.m. July 16, 2008
I am a former legal immigrant from England who is now a U.S. citizen. When I
emigrated it was a time-consuming and somewhat expensive process, not including
the cost of actually moving to another continent. Our family also came in with
basically one or two suitcases each. Shortly after we emigrated the immigration
laws were changed, and people of European descent had a much lower
'quota', and it became almost impossible to get in.
These people came in legally, then filed a timely response in order to legally extend the visa and continue the life they had established for themselves and their children. A legal professional filed the wrong form, and the notification from the government finally came after the visa would expire, thus triggering the leave the country order. As someone else has pointed out, because of this 'gap' in time, this family will not be able to go back to England and then re-enter this country any time soon.
England IS a beautiful country, but right now is very very expensive. They will lose the home and furnishings they now have, plus the business they have worked to build, and their children have to leave their schools.
These people came in legally, then filed a timely response in order to legally extend the visa and continue the life they had established for themselves and their children. A legal professional filed the wrong form, and the notification from the government finally came after the visa would expire, thus triggering the leave the country order. As someone else has pointed out, because of this 'gap' in time, this family will not be able to go back to England and then re-enter this country any time soon.
England IS a beautiful country, but right now is very very expensive. They will lose the home and furnishings they now have, plus the business they have worked to build, and their children have to leave their schools.
John Lambert | 11:24 a.m. July 16, 2008
To Cats,
Just because you do not want to admit that Spencer appeals to Republicans who have an ounce of compassion and do not want to see death valley have that name because of the millions of Latinos gassed there does not mean there are no such people.
People like Spencer's opponant are just so radical that they turn conservative but non-reactionary Republican off and cause them to say things like "I hope he only gets two votes".
If Utah votes in Spencer's opponant than they will have be as open to attack as hateful extremists as France was for letting Jean Marie Le Pen make it to the second round.
Just because you do not want to admit that Spencer appeals to Republicans who have an ounce of compassion and do not want to see death valley have that name because of the millions of Latinos gassed there does not mean there are no such people.
People like Spencer's opponant are just so radical that they turn conservative but non-reactionary Republican off and cause them to say things like "I hope he only gets two votes".
If Utah votes in Spencer's opponant than they will have be as open to attack as hateful extremists as France was for letting Jean Marie Le Pen make it to the second round.
Jim J in Cedar Rapids | 11:50 a.m. July 16, 2008
In this story it doesn't matter who the family was, what race, religion,
creed, etc. The story would be the same if they were from Mexico City and their
last name was of Hispanic origin.
The fact, as has been repeatedly pointed out in the comments, the family followed the legal process, arrived with visa in hand, and did everything they were supposed to. Due to the lawyer's error (incompetence may be too strong a word - errors do happen unfortunately), the wrong form was completed and now they have to go back.
Notice they are still working the system legally and are willing to comply with the law. That is the key - they are legal and doing it correctly. Hopefully the system will be merciful and recognize the error was not theirs and not penalize them for the mistake.
Not everything is racially or religiously motivated as some would purport.
The fact, as has been repeatedly pointed out in the comments, the family followed the legal process, arrived with visa in hand, and did everything they were supposed to. Due to the lawyer's error (incompetence may be too strong a word - errors do happen unfortunately), the wrong form was completed and now they have to go back.
Notice they are still working the system legally and are willing to comply with the law. That is the key - they are legal and doing it correctly. Hopefully the system will be merciful and recognize the error was not theirs and not penalize them for the mistake.
Not everything is racially or religiously motivated as some would purport.
Re: John Lambert | 1:26 p.m. July 16, 2008
Why don;t you get off your soap box. The very first comment did sound racist OK.
HE made it sound like the only reason they would be getting any help is because
they are white. That is a racist remark. And to let you know my husband is
Italian-Costa Rican (and in case you don't know Costa Ricans are Hispanic)
and I fought hard to bring him here as my fiance. So please don't lecture
me about being racist!! My husband is now a citizen. We know all about doing
things the legal and right way!
tenx | 1:28 p.m. July 16, 2008
OUR IMMIGRANTS -- Right on, you said it very nicely.
I just don't understand! | 1:37 p.m. July 16, 2008
I mean, I know that the U.S. doesn't want to be over-populated, but I just
don't understand why it is so hard to become a part of our country. I have
a friend who met her husband in Spain, he is originally from Algeria and just
because the U.S. is, I don't know, afraid?, the process of even getting him
a TEMPORARY visa to come to the U.S. is a long and seemingly impossible task.
It's so frustrating.
Rico | 1:40 p.m. July 16, 2008
This story is a perfect example of how our immigration laws in this country
don't work. It doesn't matter how you go about it, the system is
flawed. The country needs to have a better system in place for people who want
to become citizens, and a better system to track those who are here illegally. I
am Latino, the system sucks for anybody who has ever tried to use it.
Re: John Lambert | 2:17 p.m. July 16, 2008
"Now, we see the racism inherent in the system.
"Come and see the racism inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
On a more serious note, if the law was changed in the 1990s, it was because the law was originally changed in 1964 to allow anyone in regardless of whether or not they could contribute to or assimilate into US society.
"Come and see the racism inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
On a more serious note, if the law was changed in the 1990s, it was because the law was originally changed in 1964 to allow anyone in regardless of whether or not they could contribute to or assimilate into US society.
McCain for President | 2:23 p.m. July 16, 2008
The immigration laws need to fixed NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!.
Who of both candidates can do it?
Obviously McCain, this is a NO BRAINER.
Obama just talks and talks abut a CHANGE he has NOT shown in his short experience.
VIVA McCain!
Who of both candidates can do it?
Obviously McCain, this is a NO BRAINER.
Obama just talks and talks abut a CHANGE he has NOT shown in his short experience.
VIVA McCain!
To Abn Ortiz, Race Card?, et al. | 2:27 p.m. July 16, 2008
For all of those who are wondering if Senator Hatch would have rode to the
rescue of a Hispanic in the same situation, the answer is: He already has.
Back a couple of years ago there was a good LDS gentleman from Guatemala living in Hyrum who had tried to immigrate legally but hired a stupid attorney and eventually deported for a clerical error. Just like this girl.
The Senator is not playing favorites here. And yes, our current system of immigration laws is something only the US Congress could think up.
But if our government had actually enforced the law in the first place, instead of turning a blind eye in order to pander to Hispanic voters and placate the agribusiness lobby, we wouldn't have these problems today.
Back a couple of years ago there was a good LDS gentleman from Guatemala living in Hyrum who had tried to immigrate legally but hired a stupid attorney and eventually deported for a clerical error. Just like this girl.
The Senator is not playing favorites here. And yes, our current system of immigration laws is something only the US Congress could think up.
But if our government had actually enforced the law in the first place, instead of turning a blind eye in order to pander to Hispanic voters and placate the agribusiness lobby, we wouldn't have these problems today.
John | 2:37 p.m. July 16, 2008
Maybe the Utah Bar Association will see to it that the "immigration
attorney" who incompetently screwed this up gets disbarred.
Maybe our Congressional delegation will introduce a bill to fix this bureaucratic error.
If not, these fine people will obey the law and leave our country.
Sadly, these are exactly the sort of immigrants who should be welcomed and protected. They followed the rules and got screwed by incompetent people.
If they were hispanic that would not make a bit of difference. Follow the rules and you are welcome.
If they were here ILLEGALLY to start with, then throw the bums out! Regardless of where they came from.
Maybe our Congressional delegation will introduce a bill to fix this bureaucratic error.
If not, these fine people will obey the law and leave our country.
Sadly, these are exactly the sort of immigrants who should be welcomed and protected. They followed the rules and got screwed by incompetent people.
If they were hispanic that would not make a bit of difference. Follow the rules and you are welcome.
If they were here ILLEGALLY to start with, then throw the bums out! Regardless of where they came from.
Stewart | 2:50 p.m. July 16, 2008
It seems that illegal alien sympathizers and enablers think that if they
entered the U.S. legally, but violated the terms of the visa, especially if they
are from the U.K. and want to attend BYU, that it is OK and they have every
right to remain. Just remember that over half of the 20 million illegal aliens,
entered the U.S. and violated the terms of their visa by not returning to their
home country and re-applying. It shouldn't matter if they are from the U.K.
Syria, or Mexico, the laws need to be enforced. It isn't like they have no
home, they can always return to the U.K. and re-apply legally.
to "John Lambert" | 3:00 p.m. July 16, 2008
You have made your fair share of accusations against many comments on here. But
one thing you haven't accused illegal aliens of is breaking the law. Did
you know that many many millions of illegal aliens are breaking the law by
staying here? Why aren't you outspoken for the laws of our country and
state?
Yes, we have to show compassion, but compassion doesn't mean stomping all over the law. The law is the law is the law and it must be obeyed or else we have anarchy. Compassion means finding a humane method of dealing with the issue (like going after employers who hire illegals). I am a business owner who loves cheap labor, but I would still prefer illegal aliens to be back in their country, regardless of which country that is. Another option would be to allow them to stay, but force them to pay taxes for heaven's sake.
Yes, we have to show compassion, but compassion doesn't mean stomping all over the law. The law is the law is the law and it must be obeyed or else we have anarchy. Compassion means finding a humane method of dealing with the issue (like going after employers who hire illegals). I am a business owner who loves cheap labor, but I would still prefer illegal aliens to be back in their country, regardless of which country that is. Another option would be to allow them to stay, but force them to pay taxes for heaven's sake.
Friendly Neighbor | 3:41 p.m. July 16, 2008
It's funny that when people do it the legal way, they are more likely to
face financial ruin and never achieve citizenship. And those who come in
illegally end up changing the language, costing tax payers money, and increasing
the crime rate, but they seem to always stay or bounce right back from
deportation. Awesome.
awesomeron | 4:00 p.m. July 16, 2008
Touchy Flame Board. 3rd Try. I think that they should get all the help that they
need. However some people are going to see it as being unequal. even though they
came in a Legal Manner. That is the difference between them and the people who
do not come in a legal manner.
Anom | 5:50 p.m. July 16, 2008
I wish this family well. Not every one that comes to this country swims across
the Rio Grande.
JG | 6:03 p.m. July 16, 2008
To anwser to Mr. Ortiz is NOT YET.My paper work is still pending in their
office.
This is another example of the lack of humanitarian from the CIS department.This is so ashame!at least they don't have to go back to a Third World Country.Where there is so hard to live after an American experience.
This is another example of the lack of humanitarian from the CIS department.This is so ashame!at least they don't have to go back to a Third World Country.Where there is so hard to live after an American experience.
D-oh | 6:10 p.m. July 16, 2008
This just perfect...a family trying to go about immigration the right way and
have some daft lawyer mess it up for them. Meanwhile, millions of illegal aliens
are here hiding out and the government does little to remove and seem more
interested in paying for their in-state tuition rates.
To D-oh | 6:20 p.m. July 16, 2008
To D-oh that means ignorante in sapanish.
This article is not about illegals alliens hiding from CIS in the States, it is about the LACK OF REFORM INTO THE INMIGRATION SYSTEM, for all those who wants to do it right!
This article is not about illegals alliens hiding from CIS in the States, it is about the LACK OF REFORM INTO THE INMIGRATION SYSTEM, for all those who wants to do it right!
Cats | 7:31 p.m. July 16, 2008
It is absolutely HILARIOUS that someone thinks my statements were "hate
filled." I merely stated the facts of the case in reply to someone. This
person was claiming that the concern would be different if the immigrants
weren't white anglo-saxon.
Will you please stop being so emotional and grow up.
Will you please stop being so emotional and grow up.
Spot on | 7:46 p.m. July 16, 2008
D-oh has it right. The article was about a family trying to do the right things
to stay in the USA. But it reminds us all that honest people are the ones who
get burned not the illegal aliens pouring into this country.
RE: To D-oh
D-oh is part of American cultural language from TV's Homer Simpson and expresses a mistake or mess up. Ignorance might be on you and your lack of understanding what the USA is all about and stands for to it's legal citizens.
RE: To D-oh
D-oh is part of American cultural language from TV's Homer Simpson and expresses a mistake or mess up. Ignorance might be on you and your lack of understanding what the USA is all about and stands for to it's legal citizens.
Randy Ford | 8:20 p.m. July 16, 2008
Logic in our "politically correct" America is completely reversed.
Get ready to call me racist (or other names as your ignorance may dictate).
Here we are about to see an educated potentially highly productive couple
deported because of a technical error. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of poorly or
completely uneducated Mexicans and others ignore our laws, sneak in, take up
residence, access every service possible and quite soon take much more than they
return to our country and culture.
Seen any British "Ganstas" kill little "British" girls in drive by shootings lately? No? Didn't think so.
Are you calling me a racist yet? If you are, just answer the above question or at least think about it!!!
One thing says it all about this couple . . . they would never need to "press two for spanish" or make that . . . "Pulse dos para espa�ol."
Seen any British "Ganstas" kill little "British" girls in drive by shootings lately? No? Didn't think so.
Are you calling me a racist yet? If you are, just answer the above question or at least think about it!!!
One thing says it all about this couple . . . they would never need to "press two for spanish" or make that . . . "Pulse dos para espa�ol."
Betty | 8:41 p.m. July 16, 2008
I am British and have my green card as does my husband we are anxiously waiting
for the time we can be citizens. We have two teenage daughters who have not been
given residency and we are unable to apply for them as they would no longer be
dependents after the five year wait for an interview and would promptly be
deported unable to return for ten years. We have lived here for 15years and they
truly have no memory of anywhere else their siblings neices and nephews are U.S.
citizens. It takes 12years to apply for siblings so they can't become legal
that way. We were never told this fact by anyone of the numerous attorneys we
worked with, we always thought dependent children would automatically come in
under the umbrella of their parents, wrong!!! We are white and speak english but
recieved no help from senator Hatch or Chris Cannon or anyone else we told of
our plight. So our children cannot recieve scholarships or student loans or any
other kind of help to get through school, neither can they legally work to pay
for the privelege either. The system is broken and needs to be revised.
nyc | 9:27 p.m. July 16, 2008
re: our immigrants Who is this "WE" you are talking about?
Unfortunately this family is caught up in the immigration circus nothing more
nothing less. And the reason they came into this country "legally"
was because they had the "means" to come into this country
"legally". John Lambert also brings up a good point...this country
was built on immigrant shoulders, lets keep it that way moving forward!
Brits Abroad | 9:44 p.m. July 16, 2008
This family has a 10 year ban on them re-entering the country. The daughter
cannot apply for a student visa because of the ban. They have no job or house,
or business to go back to. The law is definitely broken, NO RIGHT OF APPEAL
that is just plain wrong.
Anonymous | 9:57 p.m. July 16, 2008
What? We should make an exception to the law just because there are "good
Mormons"??
Give me a break! They are illegal aliens without the right to remain in this country. Just because they are white, Mormon shouldn't give them any special treatment.
Give me a break! They are illegal aliens without the right to remain in this country. Just because they are white, Mormon shouldn't give them any special treatment.
Facts | 10:42 p.m. July 16, 2008
In previous articles this family made several statements "to become
American citizens". If that is the case, why did they not obtain an
IMMIGRANT visa? Instead, they skirted the system by obtaining a NONIMMIGRANT
visa. To obtain a NONIMMIGRANT VISA, they had to state to the US Consulate,
they had no intention on abandoning their British residence and intended to
return to Britain at the expiration of their status in the US. Like a vast
number of temporary visitors (for what ever purpose), they come to the US then
decide to stay, contrary to the provisions of the visa they applied for. They
placed themselves in this position and now must face the ramifications of not
being forthright on their intentions for entering in the US. Like any other
foreign national who has not conformed to our laws, they should be required to
leave. After all, we cannot discriminate because they are white and LDS.
Brits Abroad | 11:29 p.m. July 16, 2008
Betty - Hey you are scaring me now, we are here legally with children and it
looks like we are in the same situation as you, again, no one told us about
this. As a fellow Brit you understand full well about the hoops that you have
to go through to get here and trust that the lawyer you employ knows what he is
talking about. It's becoming plain to me that their are too many shark
lawyers swimming around out there looking for victims, it just adds to the
immigration problems here. I understand what you are saying fully about the 10
year bar, no one would put their children in the position that yours are in now
if a competent lawyer had told you the complete ins and out of the type of visa
you want to come here on.
I hope and pray that your situation will change for the better. I feel for your family and the Owen family and also all the others out there that come in good faith and then get shafted.
I hope and pray that your situation will change for the better. I feel for your family and the Owen family and also all the others out there that come in good faith and then get shafted.
DahktaD or is it facts? | 11:43 p.m. July 16, 2008
Here you go again, you are so mis-informed. What is it with you about
mis-informing the US Consulate people can come over here on a B1/B2 visa and
while they are here they apply for a change of status, people are allowed to
change their mind. You do not know what these people said even if they did come
here on a B1/B2 anyone is entitled to look into the possibility of starting a
business it is called due diligence. Any sane person would hire an immigration
attorney and get their advice and follow it. Right or wrong advice it is self
evident that these people were allowed in and showed the US Consulate that they
fitted the criteria required to come to the US. It is quite clear to everyone
that they have never indicated that they had any other intention but to come
here and work towards becoming citizens. As you probably know each case is done
on its own merits therefore you have the human element and each person has a
different way of doing things, even within established procedure/guidelines
because there is such thing as guidelines. Is it guidelines/procedures or both.
To Let's get the whole story | 1:36 p.m. July 17, 2008
You said: "If they are involving lawyers and Senator Hatch's office
(by the way immigration enforcement is an Executive Branch duty not a
Legislative branch) it suggests that they are asking for something more
complicated than a simple extension of their non-immigrant visa. What's the
whole story?"
You seemed so knowleadgeable.
Which immigration office do you work in?
How long have you been an immigration attorney?
What form is I751 used for? This is a simple answer for every immigrant. Please don't google it.
What does immigration officers asks you when you are interviewed for a green card that's not already on the form?
What connections do you have with ICE?
How many migrants do you interview a day?
How long does it take for one to apply for U.S. Citizenship, from application to swearing in?
How many questions does the Citizenship tests must be correct before you pass?
Until you can answer any of these questions, which are basic questions when you have been through any immigration proceedings, then the only way you know is to google it.
You seemed so knowleadgeable.
Which immigration office do you work in?
How long have you been an immigration attorney?
What form is I751 used for? This is a simple answer for every immigrant. Please don't google it.
What does immigration officers asks you when you are interviewed for a green card that's not already on the form?
What connections do you have with ICE?
How many migrants do you interview a day?
How long does it take for one to apply for U.S. Citizenship, from application to swearing in?
How many questions does the Citizenship tests must be correct before you pass?
Until you can answer any of these questions, which are basic questions when you have been through any immigration proceedings, then the only way you know is to google it.
GREAT BRITAIN BETTER THAN U.S!!! | 1:57 p.m. July 17, 2008
Dude, so many of you are so darn arrogant that it's unbelievable!
Americans think that the world revolves around you. Well, look at the country in the last few years, where it's the laughing stock in the entire world, from Katrina's abominable proof of incompetence and embarrasment of not able to take care of their own, to the stock market, to the housing, to healthcare, and to the value of the dollar.
Each of these have gone down the tubes as never before in this country's history.
England, you get free healthcare. Their money is twice the value to American dollar, and their standard of living is higher than Americans per capita.
So, to put down these people from England, where most of you are related to this country in some form or other, you're forgetting that your prejudice against Mexicans who crosses the borders are all inclusive of others who did it the right way.
So, this Mormon town's judgmental way is a great deal more severe then I thought, which initially was about morality and other "righteous" acts of God.
I am learning that it's in the blood of Mormons just to hate, and hate some more.
Americans think that the world revolves around you. Well, look at the country in the last few years, where it's the laughing stock in the entire world, from Katrina's abominable proof of incompetence and embarrasment of not able to take care of their own, to the stock market, to the housing, to healthcare, and to the value of the dollar.
Each of these have gone down the tubes as never before in this country's history.
England, you get free healthcare. Their money is twice the value to American dollar, and their standard of living is higher than Americans per capita.
So, to put down these people from England, where most of you are related to this country in some form or other, you're forgetting that your prejudice against Mexicans who crosses the borders are all inclusive of others who did it the right way.
So, this Mormon town's judgmental way is a great deal more severe then I thought, which initially was about morality and other "righteous" acts of God.
I am learning that it's in the blood of Mormons just to hate, and hate some more.
Let's get the whole story | 7:52 p.m. July 17, 2008
In order to apply for citizenship one must have Legal Permanent Residence status
(LPR or green card). You cannot go from non-immigrant status directly to
citizenship.
Generally speaking, US Immigration law grants LPR status based on family ties to US citizens or for employment where an employer has received permission through the petition process to "import" foreign labor. The later type of immigrant employment petition should not be confused with the "H1B visa" which is a non-immigrant form of importing labor.
To change from non-immigrant status to LPR status, the person applying must be either a qualified family member or their employer must petition for them (which is not an easy process I might add).
Non-immigrant visas are granted based on the specific activity to be performed while in the U.S. All non-immigrant visa types are based on the assumption that when the activity is complete, the non-immigrant will depart the U.S.
If the family in this story came to the US as non-immigrants using the investor based visa and now they are no longer managing that investment, then the terms of the visa they were given are that they will depart the U.S.
Generally speaking, US Immigration law grants LPR status based on family ties to US citizens or for employment where an employer has received permission through the petition process to "import" foreign labor. The later type of immigrant employment petition should not be confused with the "H1B visa" which is a non-immigrant form of importing labor.
To change from non-immigrant status to LPR status, the person applying must be either a qualified family member or their employer must petition for them (which is not an easy process I might add).
Non-immigrant visas are granted based on the specific activity to be performed while in the U.S. All non-immigrant visa types are based on the assumption that when the activity is complete, the non-immigrant will depart the U.S.
If the family in this story came to the US as non-immigrants using the investor based visa and now they are no longer managing that investment, then the terms of the visa they were given are that they will depart the U.S.
To Let's get the whole story | 12:04 p.m. July 18, 2008
"If the family in this story came to the US as non-immigrants using the
investor based visa and now they are no longer managing that investment, then
the terms of the visa they were given are that they will depart the
U.S."
Have you heard of adjustment of status concept. Pretty much all visas that's granted, can be adjusted, as the specific situation changes?
One does not automatically need to leave the country as their application for adjustment of status is being processed.
Plus, your comments about that it's not an easy process for an employer to petition, is totally based upon the demand, quality, availability of that skill in this country. Hence, it's impossible for an employer to petition a street sweeper. But extremely easy for an employer to petition a brain surgeon, or even a nurse.
Have you heard of adjustment of status concept. Pretty much all visas that's granted, can be adjusted, as the specific situation changes?
One does not automatically need to leave the country as their application for adjustment of status is being processed.
Plus, your comments about that it's not an easy process for an employer to petition, is totally based upon the demand, quality, availability of that skill in this country. Hence, it's impossible for an employer to petition a street sweeper. But extremely easy for an employer to petition a brain surgeon, or even a nurse.
Reply to comment 93 | 8:50 p.m. July 18, 2008
Your points are well taken and speak to my initial posting regarding not enough
information in the article. To which NIV status does this family wish to adjust
or are they attempting to get LPR status? Under which category? Does someone
is this family have an employment skill that is in demand? Let's get the
whole story. With the right information, maybe someone could give them better
advice.
Visa | 9:25 p.m. July 20, 2008
There is a non-immigrant visa and an Immigrant visa,
one is for temporary admission into the US and the other for Permanent admission to the US. Which of these two visas did this family apply for and receive to enter the US?
one is for temporary admission into the US and the other for Permanent admission to the US. Which of these two visas did this family apply for and receive to enter the US?
Lou Dobbs | 10:23 p.m. July 20, 2008
About half the illegals over stay their visa. What is different here. Deport
them.
Rhees | 11:01 p.m. July 22, 2008
They never tried to deceive anyone the attorney failed to do his Job and to try
and compare them who went and did the process to get legal status to the ones
who are jumping the borders is crazy. They came and spent money on attorney fees
and other cost to be here the right way and they deserve to stay, they are not
here breaking and laws or stealing other peoples SS# or IDS unlike the Hispanics
who are. I am fine for inviting others into our country however we need to make
sure we know who they are and they need to do the process set up for them.
Disgusted | 12:51 p.m. July 24, 2008
Why is it so difficult for beaurocrats to be human?
They can follow the letter of the law without apparent regard for other's feelings. They expect everyone to be experts in the law, which rarely is the case. Now an innocent and worthy family (who would undoubtedly would be an asset to the country are at the mercy of some jerk on a power trip. And God bless us every one, except, maybe, the beaurocrats.
They can follow the letter of the law without apparent regard for other's feelings. They expect everyone to be experts in the law, which rarely is the case. Now an innocent and worthy family (who would undoubtedly would be an asset to the country are at the mercy of some jerk on a power trip. And God bless us every one, except, maybe, the beaurocrats.
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