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Interrupted plans: After losing legal status, family is hoping to stay
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Abn Ortiz | 12:48 a.m. July 16, 2008
I bet they will get in, after all they are form great britain and senetor orin
hatch has come to their aid. I'd wonder if he would of done the same for a
person of Hispanic decent?
SLC'er | 1:02 a.m. July 16, 2008
I love how the D-News runs a story like this about a white, LDS family's
troubles with immigration. Of course this never happens to hispanic, catholic
immigrants (yeah right). Poor editorial work. At the very least the News should
have ran a concurrent story about 2 different families who lost their legal
immigration status - one of the white mormons, and one of the hispanic
catholics.
I wonder how many of the posters who usually post on immigration status would still stand by their words and say something ridiculous like "ship these illegals back to where they came from," or something about them breaking the law.
Gotta love the hypocrisy.
I wonder how many of the posters who usually post on immigration status would still stand by their words and say something ridiculous like "ship these illegals back to where they came from," or something about them breaking the law.
Gotta love the hypocrisy.
Gus | 1:05 a.m. July 16, 2008
Too bad for them. If the family's last name was "Martinez", then
they'd be ok to stay in Utah for as long as they wanted, regardless of visa
regulations.
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CHL | 1:31 a.m. July 16, 2008
Of course narrow minded individuals turns this into a racist item. It was an
article of interest of misfortune that came to a family. Unfortunately due to
an inexperienced lawyer (hopefully they get reimbursed) the paperwork got fouled
up. I hope the best turns out for this family, and others that may experience
such unfortunate situations regardless of the race card.
Cats | 4:14 a.m. July 16, 2008
This family came into the US LEGALLY. They didn't sneak across the border,
committ identity theft or get fake social security numbers. They were operating
completely legally and above board. They are being forced to leave due to the
incompetence of their attorney.
There is no comparison between this case and the cases of millions of illegals who crash our borders each year. There actually is a way to come into this country legally. That's what this family did. I think it's really tragic that this is happening to them and that a few people out there can't see the difference.
There is no comparison between this case and the cases of millions of illegals who crash our borders each year. There actually is a way to come into this country legally. That's what this family did. I think it's really tragic that this is happening to them and that a few people out there can't see the difference.
Chris J. | 4:14 a.m. July 16, 2008
All of which goes to show that the laws of this land are turning into narrow
minded idiotic laws. Enforced by other equally narrow minded people most likely
not qualified to be there. I'm sure those government hyprocrites would not
apply the laws equally to themselves if the tables were turned.
CP | 4:36 a.m. July 16, 2008
RE:Ortiz @ 12:48am. Your reply sounded very racist. That fact is they are trying
to do this all legal. They entered this country with a Visa in hand already, so
that makes it legal. They didn't cross the border illegally. So the fact
that they are white and british has nothing to do with it. They are not messing
with the system.
I really hope all will turn out well for this family. Not based on religion or culture but because they are trying to do it legally. they are not trying to mess with the system, but to work with it -- which alot of people who come here don't do.
I really hope all will turn out well for this family. Not based on religion or culture but because they are trying to do it legally. they are not trying to mess with the system, but to work with it -- which alot of people who come here don't do.
utwingnut | 4:48 a.m. July 16, 2008
"ship these illegals back to where they came from." Feel better now
SLC'er.
zezette | 5:11 a.m. July 16, 2008
Sooo interesting that SLC'er and Gus view this situation from two totally
opposite perspectives. I guess it's true that we don't see things as
they really are. We see things as we are. We, humans, sure are an interesting
bunch!
roughfun | 5:18 a.m. July 16, 2008
So much for trying to do it the right way. Reward the criminals and punish
the people who try to do it right.
Migra man | 5:28 a.m. July 16, 2008
How amazing that these folks would even consider returning to their home country
to wait to return legally. Our Mexican "neighbors" just abscond into
the community and remain here laughing at our nation's immigration laws.
But of course, that would be racist to just talk about Mexicans vs. Britains.
What about the lawyer?? | 5:33 a.m. July 16, 2008
The article states: "that people who need immigration lawyers be savvy
customers."
What about lawyers who accept money for immigration work should be savvy lawyers?? I'm sure this lawyer is going on his merry way, with their money and no consequences.
What about lawyers who accept money for immigration work should be savvy lawyers?? I'm sure this lawyer is going on his merry way, with their money and no consequences.
Thomas | 5:56 a.m. July 16, 2008
Immigration is always demonstrating that it lacks humanity.
mohokat | 5:57 a.m. July 16, 2008
Narrow minded individuals? White or brown if this family is telling the truth
they did everything right and some 8 ball attorney blew it. Those of us who are
narrow minded (as you call us) might remind you dopes that the aliens we are
down on sneak into the country and bleed the rest of us. But that is your usual
way of dealing with your liberalism, calling those who disagree with you names.
An American | 5:59 a.m. July 16, 2008
The important thing to remember is that this family entered this country
legally. They also made a genuine effort to obey the law to stay here. It is an
interesting fact that among my friends, the biggest supporters of legal
immigration and controlling our borders are those who took the time and expense
to be here legally.
Robert H | 6:02 a.m. July 16, 2008
They have already written dozens of stories about Hispanics having these
problems. So finally a story about a white, Norman from the old home country.
Poor immigration laws are equally harmful to anyone.
Quick question for the Chaffetz supporters, who I know are going to read any story related to immigration. Are these people prime candidates for your tent cities for all illegals?
Round'em up!
Embarrassingly oversimplified. We do not need Chaffetz and his extreme rhetoric. I'm a life long Republican who is voting for the Democrat this fall.
Poor immigration laws are equally harmful to anyone.
Quick question for the Chaffetz supporters, who I know are going to read any story related to immigration. Are these people prime candidates for your tent cities for all illegals?
Round'em up!
Embarrassingly oversimplified. We do not need Chaffetz and his extreme rhetoric. I'm a life long Republican who is voting for the Democrat this fall.
Sad Commentary | 6:13 a.m. July 16, 2008
Who cares if the family was white, Asian, Hispanic, or Vulcan. This story seems
to be "case in point" about a failed legal system. The freedoms we
enjoy are protected by laws - laws that are so absurdly complex that the common
man, desiring to abide by the law, cannot navigate them alone. (And our trained
lawyers may not be able to, either!) Are we part of such a well-ordered
(exclusive) society that decisions of such significance should hinge irrevocably
on a piece of paper?
Race card? | 6:21 a.m. July 16, 2008
Oh come on, CHL. You know if these people were Hispanic, you would have no
sympathy whatsoever. They would merely be "ILLEGALS" and you would
see the "bad lawyer" excuse as flimsy as it is. These people are here
illegally. They broke the law. Why aren't you calling for their ouster?
re: SLC'er | 6:43 a.m. July 16, 2008
No need to say "ship 'em back" because they already understand
they can't stay legally. The story specifically says they have a plan to
return to their home. Get over your pathetic self. These guys are following the
law. I can't say the same for all the people who enter illegally, or stay
illegally. These Brits won't stay illegally, but would like a review - as
permitted by law - so they can stay legally. Do you get the LEGAL difference?
Legal | 6:45 a.m. July 16, 2008
The important thing to remember is that many so-called "illegals"
enter the country this way: on a temporary visa or a work permit. It is the
most common way of getting in. Only the racist "BUILD A GIANT 5,000 FOOT
TALL WALL ON THE MEXICAN BORDER" people don't realize this, and are
taken for every penny by so-called Hot Air Balloon investment people.
This story has more hot air in it than those balloons or the fascist border patrollers put together.
This story has more hot air in it than those balloons or the fascist border patrollers put together.
CougarKeith | 6:57 a.m. July 16, 2008
As a "White" and "LDS" "American" I have to say
there does seem to be a lot of Racism in these comments! The Deseret News wrote
the story as an example that more than hispanics are involved with this problem
of immigration. Many comments DO SHOW that all most americans want is for those
who are here to be, work, play, and visit here, to do it under the laws of the
government which is supposed to be "By the people, for the people, and of
the people". When you are here on a VISA or illeaglly you are not "One
Of US" therefor part of us, meaning of the PEOPLE who represent the
government BY the people, FOR the People or OF the People, YOU ARE A WELCOME
Visitor with a Visa or Green Card, or an INVADER if here illeaglly, it is that
simple. This has NOTHING to do with race, creed, religion, or anything else. I
am sorry, it just doesn't no matter how you slice it.
jwr | 7:05 a.m. July 16, 2008
Oops they are white, educated people and their lawyer screwed up - so send them
home. We only want uneducated, non english speaking immigrants that are also
illegal as they can be more easily exploited by greeding employers
Bill | 7:12 a.m. July 16, 2008
Small, racist minds perceive only the racial differences between this case and
the typical Hispanic immigration cases. They are blind to the legal differences.
I am aware of immigration cases involving Hispanic individuals where actions to
these were taken to assist, by Utah Congressional representatives. It helps a
lot if you can prove you have a job and no criminal record.
Read It Through | 7:17 a.m. July 16, 2008
Of course this kind of thing happens to other people besides white LDS families.
This is just an article of interest. I do feel that the "publicity"
(for lack of a better word) provided by this kind of story would be beneficial
to anyone facing immigration difficulties.
To me, this article seemed to be written with an informative focus, and the writer used the story of the Owen's family as a narrative with direct application to the information he wanted to publish. Notice how the article, while touching on human interest elements of the situation (ie: the girl�s educational goals) goes on to point out how mistakes were made and how to address -and- prevent them.
Many other articles I have read concerning immigration recently haven�t even tried to define the individuals involved, keeping "Illegals" a faceless crowd, and therefore easily labeled and dismissed by the public. Articles like that make it all too easy for us to over-generalize and cry "Send them home!"
Most people I know don�t realize that immigrants come from all over the world, not just Hispanic/Latin countries.
I'd like to see this become a series of articles following several families or individuals facing immigration difficulties.
To me, this article seemed to be written with an informative focus, and the writer used the story of the Owen's family as a narrative with direct application to the information he wanted to publish. Notice how the article, while touching on human interest elements of the situation (ie: the girl�s educational goals) goes on to point out how mistakes were made and how to address -and- prevent them.
Many other articles I have read concerning immigration recently haven�t even tried to define the individuals involved, keeping "Illegals" a faceless crowd, and therefore easily labeled and dismissed by the public. Articles like that make it all too easy for us to over-generalize and cry "Send them home!"
Most people I know don�t realize that immigrants come from all over the world, not just Hispanic/Latin countries.
I'd like to see this become a series of articles following several families or individuals facing immigration difficulties.
JoseRoberto | 7:15 a.m. July 16, 2008
who is the lawyer so i can avoid this law firm when i try to get my legal
status?
Here Legally | 7:32 a.m. July 16, 2008
If a lawyer who has worked in the system for 24 years is still learning
"every day" because of how complex it all is, how can the average
person expect to get it right? My sister and her husband were sent back to
Canada because of a lawyer error after coming here legally and doing everything
right. They got an education here, paid thousands of dollars in income tax for
4 years, contributed to the community and lost everything they had worked so
hard for. Don't we hire lawyers because we AREN'T savvy? I did it
legally too and hated every minute of it because I was treated like I was
someone who had come here to rip off the United States. We definitely need
REFORM to protect those who are trying to do it the right way!
Himself | 7:41 a.m. July 16, 2008
There sure is opportunity for comedy on this one.
But the lesson is clear: if the legal process is
a deliberate and baffling process whose intent is
to make it as difficult as possible to prevent entry to
the legal then illegal is the only logical
option.
But the lesson is clear: if the legal process is
a deliberate and baffling process whose intent is
to make it as difficult as possible to prevent entry to
the legal then illegal is the only logical
option.
Wierd Story | 7:59 a.m. July 16, 2008
This whole story is wierd. The young woman can still attend BYU whether she is
from England or South Jordan. The fees will be the same as it is a private
school, so why is this presented as a hardship in the story. And with our
Nation entering a recession/depression, a hot-air balloon business probably
won't survive, they will be out of work regardless and will have to return
to England anyway. Maybe this is God giving them a chance to sell their
business while there is still some equity in it and is a blessing in disquise???
I served my mission in England, its a great place, why is it so hard for them
to return to their home??? This type of thing happens to many Americans as
well. The dad gets a job in a neighboring state. After working there a while,
it doesn't work out, and they end up leaving the state after all.
It's life. Why get a Senator involved???
James in St George | 7:59 a.m. July 16, 2008
The important thing to remember is that we are cracking down on ILLEGAL
immigration. Not just immigration in general. It's the diversity and
skills that these people bring that makes our nation great.
Having said that, what we need to do now is convince our yahoos in congress to simplify the laws. It needs to be about ten thousand times easier to get in legally. Then we would be justified in agressively deporting anyone who does come in the front door.
Having said that, what we need to do now is convince our yahoos in congress to simplify the laws. It needs to be about ten thousand times easier to get in legally. Then we would be justified in agressively deporting anyone who does come in the front door.
Great Example. | 8:09 a.m. July 16, 2008
This is a great example of a family with enough integrity to return to their
home country and proceed through the red tape in a legal fashion.
They will be blessed for their honesty and integrity even if the circumstances are a trial to them. Too bad their are so many posters on this board who believe honesty and integrity are only situational values. I applaud the Owen family for their integrity in the face of adversity.
They will be blessed for their honesty and integrity even if the circumstances are a trial to them. Too bad their are so many posters on this board who believe honesty and integrity are only situational values. I applaud the Owen family for their integrity in the face of adversity.
Let's get the whole story | 8:22 a.m. July 16, 2008
There must be more to this story than simple attorney error. Based on the
information given, it appears that the family entered the U.S. using a
non-immigrant visa for the purpose of managing an investment (a so called E
visa). Typically, this type of visa requires that the investment made be
substantial, that the investor is coming to directly manage the business and
that the stay is temporary in nature even though one may stay for several years
with this type of visa. If the balloon business is still viable, a return to
their permanent residence in Great Britain and re-application at the Embassy in
London for a new E visa should be an easy thing to do. If they are involving
lawyers and Senator Hatch's office (by the way immigration enforcement is
an Executive Branch duty not a Legislative branch) it suggests that they are
asking for something more complicated than a simple extension of their
non-immigrant visa. What's the whole story?
l | 8:24 a.m. July 16, 2008
I'd get started on applying for an education visa, if I were that girl.
Supportive Friend | 8:25 a.m. July 16, 2008
Since I know this good family I can tell you the article- while good- could only
tell a small portion of the whole story.This family came here wanting one thing
from America...to raise thier family with the freedoms and opportunities America
has to offer by working for it..no hand outs. They have worked hard (very hard)
for all that they own(entered America with 2 suitcases each) and now are trying
to sell everything they own to obey the law. Yet what they have given and will
leave behind is a legacy. They came into our neighborhood/community and reminded
us to be grateful for this beautiful country,for the freedoms we have become
complacent to, they did this by example...no soap boxes. They reminded us by the
way they live to acknowledge Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and to thank them
continually for their love and mercy.
If the Owen family must return to Great Britian they have the faith and strength to do well, but if they stay, we, as a neighborhood, as a community and as a country will be greatly rewarded by their contribution and good example. This, I believe, are the kind of immigrants America should keep.
If the Owen family must return to Great Britian they have the faith and strength to do well, but if they stay, we, as a neighborhood, as a community and as a country will be greatly rewarded by their contribution and good example. This, I believe, are the kind of immigrants America should keep.
I bet they speak English | 8:34 a.m. July 16, 2008
Imagine that, they speak English, what a novel concept. Granted they grew up
speaking English but still.
Ashamed at times | 8:35 a.m. July 16, 2008
This yet again proves that the government has gone mad. They should work on
real problems and let these little petty �paper
errors� work themselves out. This is ridiculous !
Come on, elected officials � get it right !!!!
Come on, elected officials � get it right !!!!
What if they had brown skin? | 8:59 a.m. July 16, 2008
I'd bet $50 that if they were Mexican, Chinese or of some other origin
besides Great Brittain Hatch wouldn't have even taken their phone call.
Anonymous | 9:06 a.m. July 16, 2008
There are some things that don't make sense to me:
1. the girl can apply for a student visa while in Great Britain and attend LDSBC without any problem.
2. they didn't come from Africa or some latin third world country. Are you telling me there are no freedoms in Great Britain?
3. I have done the paperwork myself. If you speak english and get access to the internet, filling out the forms is actually not that complicated, it's time consuming, but not a puzzle. You hire a lawyer when you need to present your case to lawyer, you don't speak english or you are in risk of deportation. An inmigration lawyer told that to myself.
1. the girl can apply for a student visa while in Great Britain and attend LDSBC without any problem.
2. they didn't come from Africa or some latin third world country. Are you telling me there are no freedoms in Great Britain?
3. I have done the paperwork myself. If you speak english and get access to the internet, filling out the forms is actually not that complicated, it's time consuming, but not a puzzle. You hire a lawyer when you need to present your case to lawyer, you don't speak english or you are in risk of deportation. An inmigration lawyer told that to myself.
Val Smith | 9:11 a.m. July 16, 2008
Yes, we have a big problem!
No. No tenemos una problema!
No. No tenemos una problema!
Anonymous | 9:24 a.m. July 16, 2008
Their visas expired and so the entire family has to return to Great Britain for
at least 6 months and possibly 2 years before they can apply for another visa,
including a student visa.
It doesn't matter that the young lady has been accepted to a college, this is an immigration issue and they are being kicked out of the country.
I wouldn't contact Sen. Hatch, I would contact Rep. Matheson. In my experience, Rep. Matheson is more willing to help then any other federal elected official from Utah.
It doesn't matter that the young lady has been accepted to a college, this is an immigration issue and they are being kicked out of the country.
I wouldn't contact Sen. Hatch, I would contact Rep. Matheson. In my experience, Rep. Matheson is more willing to help then any other federal elected official from Utah.
Madden | 9:23 a.m. July 16, 2008
How sad for them, hopefully this works out. It shows that our immigration policy
and bureaucracy is in poor shape. We need to raise limits on #'s of
permitted entries for a start. Still, every country has problems like this,
paperwork stinks.
The difference between this family and a typical Mexican illegal-immigrant family is that this family will return to their generally-happy life in the UK rather than stay here and live off the grid. Most of those from Mexico will do the opposite because they see life here, even in "the shadows" as folks like to describe it, as a better option than going home. I don't like it, but I get it, and we need to clean up the mess for the benefit of all.
The difference between this family and a typical Mexican illegal-immigrant family is that this family will return to their generally-happy life in the UK rather than stay here and live off the grid. Most of those from Mexico will do the opposite because they see life here, even in "the shadows" as folks like to describe it, as a better option than going home. I don't like it, but I get it, and we need to clean up the mess for the benefit of all.
Hatch Rules | 9:26 a.m. July 16, 2008
The suggestion that Hatch only helped this family because
they�re white is ludicrous. The
senator�s office was crucial in the adoption of our son
from Tonga, a two month ordeal. My wife�s native, while
I�m a legal immigrant from the island and I'm brown as
nutmeg. The real problem here is our immigration policy and the bureaucrats
that infect that department. The immigration departments for both countries
threw up a ton of road blocks and they don�t care about
your story, as evident by this family. Here you have a family invested in this
country and we�re telling them to go home. They built a
business, got educated and want to stay and we�re telling
them no over some stupid paperwork. This is the kind of public service you
receive from government workers. They have no accountability, no initiative, no
responsibility and no reason to help anyone. Those that do are too few.
Relocated Southerner | 9:27 a.m. July 16, 2008
I agree with CATS (4:14 a.m.) They came here LEGALLY and hired an attorney to
try to do everything in the right way. There is a VAST difference in the way
they entered the country and the millions we have here who cross our borders
ILLEGALLY, steal Social Security numbers from LEGAL CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTRY, use
all our resources paid by LEGAL TAXPAYERS OF OUR COUNTRY, and then refuse to
learn to speak the language or assimilate into our culture, including flying
their own flag above our own. If their culture is so important to them, why
don't they stay in their own country and not ILLEGALLY enter ours and
disparage it at every opportunity? This is not a racist rant against any
particular ethnic group; I have no problem with anyone coming into our country
LEGALLY, be they white, black, Hispanic, Chinese or whatever. But I do have a
problem when others enter our country ILLEGALLY and then literally spit on our
flag and other symbols of our country while holding their hands out for yet
another benefit of living here.
HATCH NO HELP | 9:37 a.m. July 16, 2008
My daughter has ALWAYS been legally in the States. BYU and her LDS mission in
between. Then she happens to fall in love with a young man from Utah. Both BYU
graduates... I personally took my daughter to the SLC office to begin her Green
Card process. In the mean time our family moved back to Europe. IT TOOK THE US
BUREUCRATS SEVEN YEARS TO PROCESS HER PAPERS. She finally got her Green Card
last December. We contacted Hatch's office TWICE, Cannon's office,
Bennett's office... BUT NO HELP.
Simply said - the Homeland Security/FBI etc. are NOT what they should be. A clear case of a BYU grad, RM, ALWAYS LEGAL, from a Western European country that is THE SAFEST in the world as a threat to the US... 7 years!!
Simply said - the Homeland Security/FBI etc. are NOT what they should be. A clear case of a BYU grad, RM, ALWAYS LEGAL, from a Western European country that is THE SAFEST in the world as a threat to the US... 7 years!!
John Lambert | 9:37 a.m. July 16, 2008
To Mr. Ortiz and SLC'er,
I have read articles in the Deseret News about the situation a college student born in Venezuela was in who had found out they were an undocumented immigrant, a fact they had not even known.
Also, why you are so obsessed about religious dichotomy I am not sure. There are some white Catholics in Utah, more so if you count Italians as white, and there are definantly Hispanic LDS people.
Personally I think anything that shows people the way of Spencer is the way of caring while the policies of his opponant would be blanket deportation is a good thing.
I have read articles in the Deseret News about the situation a college student born in Venezuela was in who had found out they were an undocumented immigrant, a fact they had not even known.
Also, why you are so obsessed about religious dichotomy I am not sure. There are some white Catholics in Utah, more so if you count Italians as white, and there are definantly Hispanic LDS people.
Personally I think anything that shows people the way of Spencer is the way of caring while the policies of his opponant would be blanket deportation is a good thing.
John Lambert | 9:45 a.m. July 16, 2008
To Cats,
Would you ever believe that a Hispanic had come into the US legally? I am not thinking so. Most of the September 11th hijackers came here legally. If you want to be opposed to those who endanger America the most, you should go after people who overstay their visas, not those who sneak in.
Most undocumented workers do not steal peoples identities. Your hate filled rhetoric explains why integration of Hispanics into English speaking wards so rarely works, you assume they must all be a bunch of sneaking, low-down, good for nothing people and despise them.
And to GUs, you statement is just ignorant. You ignore how many hard working safe builders have been shipped south of the border without any warning even to their families. How would you like to have to explain to your children what was so wrong about Daddy building safes that he has been sent to some foriegn land that they have never seen.
Would you ever believe that a Hispanic had come into the US legally? I am not thinking so. Most of the September 11th hijackers came here legally. If you want to be opposed to those who endanger America the most, you should go after people who overstay their visas, not those who sneak in.
Most undocumented workers do not steal peoples identities. Your hate filled rhetoric explains why integration of Hispanics into English speaking wards so rarely works, you assume they must all be a bunch of sneaking, low-down, good for nothing people and despise them.
And to GUs, you statement is just ignorant. You ignore how many hard working safe builders have been shipped south of the border without any warning even to their families. How would you like to have to explain to your children what was so wrong about Daddy building safes that he has been sent to some foriegn land that they have never seen.
SLC gal | 9:46 a.m. July 16, 2008
Here, here. They followed the laws. They shouldn't be punished for an
honest mistake, it doesn't matter what race they are! And what kind of
message does this send to everyone who wants to be here legally but are afraid
it's too hard.
John Lambert | 9:48 a.m. July 16, 2008
To CP,
You are the one who yells racist too much. Utah whites will stop at nothing of accusing anyone who does not accept their ability to say mean and malighning things about everyone else to be racist.
The fact of the matter is that people in Mexico have a much time getting a short term or education visa than someone from Brittain. A Mexican who applied for a short term enterprise visa to start up a taco stand would probably get turned down flat on the assumption they would not leave if they did not get a permanent visa. You people have ignored the inequality in the system.
Also, with each country only having the same number of visas available annually, it is harder for a given Mexican to get in the United States because there are about 50% more people from Mexico than the UK.
Beyond this, the visa laws were altered in the early 1990s to make it easier for western European to get in the United States.
You are the one who yells racist too much. Utah whites will stop at nothing of accusing anyone who does not accept their ability to say mean and malighning things about everyone else to be racist.
The fact of the matter is that people in Mexico have a much time getting a short term or education visa than someone from Brittain. A Mexican who applied for a short term enterprise visa to start up a taco stand would probably get turned down flat on the assumption they would not leave if they did not get a permanent visa. You people have ignored the inequality in the system.
Also, with each country only having the same number of visas available annually, it is harder for a given Mexican to get in the United States because there are about 50% more people from Mexico than the UK.
Beyond this, the visa laws were altered in the early 1990s to make it easier for western European to get in the United States.
John Lambert | 9:51 a.m. July 16, 2008
Those who try to say "these people were totally legal but that other
group is just a bunch of sneaking no good blankety blank blanks" ignore a
major issue.
The immigration laws for the United States are racist. In the early 1990s it was decided that the system had allowed for too many people from some areas. A new clause was added to give preference to people from "under-represented areas". The intent behind this law was to increase the number of immigrants from Ireland, the United Kingdom, The Netherlands, Germany and other western European nations. It has also actually helped immigration of some people from Africa, but it has made it harder for Mexicans to have a chance to immigrate legally.
You ignore the racism inherent in the system.
The immigration laws for the United States are racist. In the early 1990s it was decided that the system had allowed for too many people from some areas. A new clause was added to give preference to people from "under-represented areas". The intent behind this law was to increase the number of immigrants from Ireland, the United Kingdom, The Netherlands, Germany and other western European nations. It has also actually helped immigration of some people from Africa, but it has made it harder for Mexicans to have a chance to immigrate legally.
You ignore the racism inherent in the system.
Reply to Many | 9:54 a.m. July 16, 2008
Actually because of the lawyer "fuax paus" they have over extended
their stay...they may not re apply for 10 years. Immigration law is indeed sooo
complicated!!!
Great Britian is a beautiful place, however, they have the twin girls to still raise...there is no free public education there...you must pay for schooling...oh by the way the article did not mention that England is the most expensive place in the world to live...nor that they have no home to live in there, no job or means of living as of yet.
The oldest girl may still go to college...did you think though that while going to LDSBC she could be saving money in order to attend BYU, while living at home to save on room and board.
I am afraid some comments are made without thinking about other people's circumstances rather than life as they know it to be.
Is it any wonder , though, why they would want to be here? In a country that allows all people to express an opinion ...whether it be supportive, non-supportive or intelligent or... non- intelligent
( idiodic would have been too east to say :)).
Great Britian is a beautiful place, however, they have the twin girls to still raise...there is no free public education there...you must pay for schooling...oh by the way the article did not mention that England is the most expensive place in the world to live...nor that they have no home to live in there, no job or means of living as of yet.
The oldest girl may still go to college...did you think though that while going to LDSBC she could be saving money in order to attend BYU, while living at home to save on room and board.
I am afraid some comments are made without thinking about other people's circumstances rather than life as they know it to be.
Is it any wonder , though, why they would want to be here? In a country that allows all people to express an opinion ...whether it be supportive, non-supportive or intelligent or... non- intelligent
( idiodic would have been too east to say :)).
Our Immigrants | 9:52 a.m. July 16, 2008
These are the kind of immigrants that the majority of conservatives are in favor
of. They came legally. They work hard. They love this country.
They�re law abiding and are not taxing the system looking
for handouts. Many of us are concerned because we are being affected by the
chaos created by illegal immigration. We see the unnecessary crime, as
evidenced by the slaying of a little girl last week. We see many illegals
refusing to assimilate and insisting that we conform to them. We see our
education and health care systems being taxed. Who can forget the immigration
rallies where the majority of protestors were flying their native flags and
demanding that we acknowledge them and grant them rights.
That�s insulting. Many of us just want a sane immigration
policy that is fair, not this haphazard one we currently must live with.
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