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Mike Richards | 3:18 p.m. July 16, 2008
To 3:05,
On my computer, right before the box where I enter my name, is written in RED the following:
"Comments are monitored. Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words or containing URLs will not be posted."
I cannot list any URLs (websites). That is not allowed.
However, you can find the information just as easily and in the same way that I found it - by searching and reading. There is no hidden secret. That information is available to anyone who is willing to spend the same amount of time that I did when I looked for evidence that would support the thesis of the original letter to the editor.
As you read, you'll find more than enough scholarly information from reputable sources to support the thesis that the practice of homosexually ruins lives.
Just like in school, you learn best by doing your own homework. Or, as one wag once said, "There is no royal road to algebra", when a Prince complained to his tutor that learning algebra was too hard.
On my computer, right before the box where I enter my name, is written in RED the following:
"Comments are monitored. Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words or containing URLs will not be posted."
I cannot list any URLs (websites). That is not allowed.
However, you can find the information just as easily and in the same way that I found it - by searching and reading. There is no hidden secret. That information is available to anyone who is willing to spend the same amount of time that I did when I looked for evidence that would support the thesis of the original letter to the editor.
As you read, you'll find more than enough scholarly information from reputable sources to support the thesis that the practice of homosexually ruins lives.
Just like in school, you learn best by doing your own homework. Or, as one wag once said, "There is no royal road to algebra", when a Prince complained to his tutor that learning algebra was too hard.
jackhp | 3:26 p.m. July 16, 2008
Charles,
Religion and morality are not the same thing. I know that's hard for religionists to understand, but it's true.
Morality, in fact, would be MUCH better served without the irrationality of religion masquerading itself in its stead.
Religion and morality are not the same thing. I know that's hard for religionists to understand, but it's true.
Morality, in fact, would be MUCH better served without the irrationality of religion masquerading itself in its stead.
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FaithNoMo | 3:28 p.m. July 16, 2008
Oh Ms. Talbot! Who's life has it destroyed? Maybe the Homosexual that had
to deal with people like you, that for NO OTHER reason that your prophet said
so, will take the time to write such hate in a paper. I'm glad you're
not my mother. Even though I'm not gay.
re SAVE IT! | 3:33 p.m. July 16, 2008
Not Homophobic, not Bigoted. Paranoid and Deluded would be more appropriate.
What kind of stuff do you read or listen to?
to Mike Richards | 3:37 p.m. July 16, 2008
You don't have to post a URL, just the name of the site or organization, or
even the authors name. Your reluctance to reveal the source is curious.
FaithNoMo | 3:36 p.m. July 16, 2008
Does Mike Richards realize his stats he listed on page one have long ago been
proven false?
Like the Vatican has room to talk on any sexual matter.
Like the Vatican has room to talk on any sexual matter.
wrz | 3:37 p.m. July 16, 2008
Still waiting. | 1:33 p.m. July 16, 2008
"I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how allowing gays to be granted the same state protections & privileges in their consensual, committed relationships that I enjoy in my heterosexual committed relationship constitutes a threat to anyone's marriage."
It opens the door for all kinds of possible marriage combinations which has a tendency to debase the institution of marriage. And don't think that some people will not marry their pets or their siblings if they could.
"I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how allowing gays to be granted the same state protections & privileges in their consensual, committed relationships that I enjoy in my heterosexual committed relationship constitutes a threat to anyone's marriage."
It opens the door for all kinds of possible marriage combinations which has a tendency to debase the institution of marriage. And don't think that some people will not marry their pets or their siblings if they could.
Found my answer... | 3:42 p.m. July 16, 2008
I had a professor in college that really helped me understand more the psyche
behind being homosexual. I never really understood why someone would pick this
lifestyle. However, after talking with her several times I realized
something...
She wasn't born lesbian. She actually was abused by her husband and was able to get a restraining order and divorce. She had children in this marriage which she took care of. She was someone (her own words paraphrased) who needed love and companionship, but had totally lost her faith in men. She soon met a gal and they became very close friends. On one occasion, after spending the day with this person, the relationship became physical. She felt so close to this individual that they made the jump to it becoming sexual.
This is where I have a problem with homosexuality. We are all tempted in one way or another and we either fall for the temptation or we fight it. Wickedness never was happiness. There IS a right and wrong and that isn't for you or I to decide. There will always be consequences when involved in sin. Mike Richards outlined a few of those with homosexuality. They speak for themselves.
She wasn't born lesbian. She actually was abused by her husband and was able to get a restraining order and divorce. She had children in this marriage which she took care of. She was someone (her own words paraphrased) who needed love and companionship, but had totally lost her faith in men. She soon met a gal and they became very close friends. On one occasion, after spending the day with this person, the relationship became physical. She felt so close to this individual that they made the jump to it becoming sexual.
This is where I have a problem with homosexuality. We are all tempted in one way or another and we either fall for the temptation or we fight it. Wickedness never was happiness. There IS a right and wrong and that isn't for you or I to decide. There will always be consequences when involved in sin. Mike Richards outlined a few of those with homosexuality. They speak for themselves.
jumping ship? | 3:40 p.m. July 16, 2008
Ever wonder why Mike Richards uses references from the Catholic Church so often
in so many of his postings?
Do you think he's going to convert to Catholicism?
Do you think he's going to convert to Catholicism?
wrz | 3:41 p.m. July 16, 2008
"Why do some start talking | 1:36 p.m. July 16, 2008
about all the kinds of ridiculous relationships (such as with animals) when we try and talk about relationships between TWO consenting ADULTS."
After relationships between two consenting adults becomes legal, the energy will then turn to allowing any combination of marriage.
"The rest of the behaviors are either ridiculous or hurtful to young girls and women (such as in the case of polygamy)."
Not to some people. There are plenty who will defend polygamy.
"These behaviors are handled with other rules and courts than with the issue at hand."
Not if they become legal.
about all the kinds of ridiculous relationships (such as with animals) when we try and talk about relationships between TWO consenting ADULTS."
After relationships between two consenting adults becomes legal, the energy will then turn to allowing any combination of marriage.
"The rest of the behaviors are either ridiculous or hurtful to young girls and women (such as in the case of polygamy)."
Not to some people. There are plenty who will defend polygamy.
"These behaviors are handled with other rules and courts than with the issue at hand."
Not if they become legal.
Valeeda | 3:44 p.m. July 16, 2008
To OKAY BUT WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE 1:24
Valid Question.
Like most problems, prevention is the best cure. But
We do not have a society that is into prevention at all.But, there are still cures for "after the fact", as homosexuality is nothing more than a lack of development or the result of someone being "out of touch" with their true self as a result of trauma, poor parenting, or just contrariness of the child
True genetic gender disorder is very rare.
These "cures " have nothing to do with Religion or Nazis or shock treatment.
But you don't know about this because Homosexuality has been redefined by the powers that be as normal.
Treating it clinically or even doing research is considered "unethical" today.
In nations where homosexuality is "legal", it is against the law to research into, or otherwise promote a cure, or even think there is one.
The Scientologists claim to cure homosexuality, I believe. Does anyone out there know anything about this???
Valid Question.
Like most problems, prevention is the best cure. But
We do not have a society that is into prevention at all.But, there are still cures for "after the fact", as homosexuality is nothing more than a lack of development or the result of someone being "out of touch" with their true self as a result of trauma, poor parenting, or just contrariness of the child
True genetic gender disorder is very rare.
These "cures " have nothing to do with Religion or Nazis or shock treatment.
But you don't know about this because Homosexuality has been redefined by the powers that be as normal.
Treating it clinically or even doing research is considered "unethical" today.
In nations where homosexuality is "legal", it is against the law to research into, or otherwise promote a cure, or even think there is one.
The Scientologists claim to cure homosexuality, I believe. Does anyone out there know anything about this???
Chris Plummer | 3:46 p.m. July 16, 2008
This again... good thing I'm only working a 1/2 day today. We beat this
horse dead ONLY YESTERDAY!
Charles | 3:44 p.m. July 16, 2008
to the person wanting sights from Mike R....it's simple, do your own
homework. The only person who thinks something is funny is you because you
apparently are too lazy to do your own research.
seek and ye shall find....
seek and ye shall find....
Doomed | 3:49 p.m. July 16, 2008
I'm still waiting for California and Massachusetts to drop into the ocean!
Anonymous | 3:53 p.m. July 16, 2008
Do you people ever get tired of posting the same lame things day after day? Do
you really think anyone is going to be convenced to change their opinion by
anything you say?
wrz | 3:56 p.m. July 16, 2008
"I cannot list any URLs (websites). That is not allowed."
List it. Just avoid making it hyperactive.
List it. Just avoid making it hyperactive.
from pmsnbc.... | 4:00 p.m. July 16, 2008
dear doomed, didn't you see the news tonight where it showed the slow and
methodical drop off of Mass and CA?
They are gone! Whew...Now my oceanfront property in AZ is worth something!
If you can't notice the decline in our society because of the immorality of the people, then you aren't very perceptive.
They are gone! Whew...Now my oceanfront property in AZ is worth something!
If you can't notice the decline in our society because of the immorality of the people, then you aren't very perceptive.
to found | 4:02 p.m. July 16, 2008
I dont care if homosexuality is a choice (although I dont buy it), but even if
it is a choice, its their choice, not yours.
fr1nk to Anonymous | 4:08 p.m. July 16, 2008
You are correct...This is pointless. I wont listen to people who think they
speak for some made up god and they wont listen to someone who doesnt.
I will say only one more thing on the matter.
FREEDOM IS FOR EVERYBODY
I will say only one more thing on the matter.
FREEDOM IS FOR EVERYBODY
Gopherus | 4:08 p.m. July 16, 2008
Found my answer,
If you look at the research you will see that this malleability of sexuality is not uncommon among women but is actually quite uncommon in men. While opportunity and choice may operate in some homosexuals it is not the norm. It certainly is not the norm in heterosexuals. I don't know about you, but I've never been tempted by the same sex. That doesn't stop me from supporting the rights of those who have or who have never been tempted by the opposite sex. After all, we are all humans.
If you look at the research you will see that this malleability of sexuality is not uncommon among women but is actually quite uncommon in men. While opportunity and choice may operate in some homosexuals it is not the norm. It certainly is not the norm in heterosexuals. I don't know about you, but I've never been tempted by the same sex. That doesn't stop me from supporting the rights of those who have or who have never been tempted by the opposite sex. After all, we are all humans.
Please Stop | 4:18 p.m. July 16, 2008
Religious views have nothing to do with a rational conversation.
Religious views of any church on this planet have never had any proof at all that they are the ONE true church. They all say that.
Please try and use logic and education when you post something.
Please use original thoughts, not somebody else's thoughts of 100 years ago or 2000 years ago.
Religion belongs in churchs. Not our laws, and not to ruin the lives of anybody.
Please,most of all, try to see the good in all people. Most people are good at heart, gay, straight, fat, thin, old, young,etc.
Nobody in this day and age should be discriminated against because of any religion!
Those ideas and retoric from the past are slowly fading into the past, along with burning witch's, killing off flat earth deniers, not giving women the right to vote, and on and on.
The younger generation see through the superstition, and hate. I hope there is hope.
Religious views of any church on this planet have never had any proof at all that they are the ONE true church. They all say that.
Please try and use logic and education when you post something.
Please use original thoughts, not somebody else's thoughts of 100 years ago or 2000 years ago.
Religion belongs in churchs. Not our laws, and not to ruin the lives of anybody.
Please,most of all, try to see the good in all people. Most people are good at heart, gay, straight, fat, thin, old, young,etc.
Nobody in this day and age should be discriminated against because of any religion!
Those ideas and retoric from the past are slowly fading into the past, along with burning witch's, killing off flat earth deniers, not giving women the right to vote, and on and on.
The younger generation see through the superstition, and hate. I hope there is hope.
Charles | 4:23 p.m. July 16, 2008
really fr1nk...God is made up? What proof do you have to make your claim? How
can you callously sit there and say that God is fiction?
Please, share with us your enlightenment so we too can be enlightened and come to your defense.
There is no such thing as a "right" to marry. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, write it, hear it, etc....It's not a right.
If it was an undeniable right, then why does the government own the rights and why do they put limitations on those rights?
Because it isn't a right.
Please, share with us your enlightenment so we too can be enlightened and come to your defense.
There is no such thing as a "right" to marry. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, write it, hear it, etc....It's not a right.
If it was an undeniable right, then why does the government own the rights and why do they put limitations on those rights?
Because it isn't a right.
Robert Oh | 4:25 p.m. July 16, 2008
You righteous lot cry about being called hateful, bigoted, and homophobic. Then
you call others sinful, perverted, unnatural, deluded, schizophrenic, and
immoral without missing a beat.
You justify it by saying �Oh it�s the behavior, not the person. As long as you conform to my definition of moral you are considered acceptable.�
Let me add one more hypocritical.
You justify it by saying �Oh it�s the behavior, not the person. As long as you conform to my definition of moral you are considered acceptable.�
Let me add one more hypocritical.
To Mike Richards Again | 4:28 p.m. July 16, 2008
You want to provide reasons why homosexuality is destructive and then you quote
websites that fit with your preconceived ideas - you even state that when you
searched you entered "homosexuality negative aspects". Maybe you
would not find so much information about negative aspects if you would leave the
"negative" part out of it. I just typed in "homosexuality
positive aspects" and came up with 2,910,000 results. Try seeing the
debate from both sides.
Anonymous | 4:25 p.m. July 16, 2008
I see the usual "let's agree to disagree" notion is alive and
well in Zion. (wink)
It's more like the usual conservative notion of "my way or the highway."
It's more like the usual conservative notion of "my way or the highway."
Charles | 4:32 p.m. July 16, 2008
to 4:18 pm
Interesting posting complaining about others.
However there is one thing missing from your post that you want others to adhere to - original thoughts.
I see nothing original in your posting. It's the same tired old rhetoric from the homosexual websites and listed on the previous 3 pages of this board.
I see people loving homosexuals while still abhorring the behavior. I see people wanting to help those who are asking for it; regardless of weight, height, skin color, tattoos, hairline or lack thereof, shoe size, etc.
For those who clamor for religious people to sign on with original thoughts, you have yet to step up to the plate and show the way. Just 1.
The younger generation will still follow the counsel of the prophet and apostles. They will still read the scriptures that condemn homosexual behavior, adultery, fornication, drunks, covetous, murder (except that "choice" of abortion).
They are a royal generation saved for the last days. Trust me, my 5 children know right from wrong. They know that the way of the world is sin and destruction.
The Lord has complete faith in the younger generation since He saved them for today.
What a popinjay.
Interesting posting complaining about others.
However there is one thing missing from your post that you want others to adhere to - original thoughts.
I see nothing original in your posting. It's the same tired old rhetoric from the homosexual websites and listed on the previous 3 pages of this board.
I see people loving homosexuals while still abhorring the behavior. I see people wanting to help those who are asking for it; regardless of weight, height, skin color, tattoos, hairline or lack thereof, shoe size, etc.
For those who clamor for religious people to sign on with original thoughts, you have yet to step up to the plate and show the way. Just 1.
The younger generation will still follow the counsel of the prophet and apostles. They will still read the scriptures that condemn homosexual behavior, adultery, fornication, drunks, covetous, murder (except that "choice" of abortion).
They are a royal generation saved for the last days. Trust me, my 5 children know right from wrong. They know that the way of the world is sin and destruction.
The Lord has complete faith in the younger generation since He saved them for today.
What a popinjay.
why do you suppose? | 4:39 p.m. July 16, 2008
Why do you suppose our sanctimonious and judgemental conservatives have such a
difficult time with people making personal choices (or agency, if you will)
especially when it really doesn't directly affect their lives one way or
the other?
Way too strict upbringing?
Way too strict upbringing?
Chris Plummer | 4:42 p.m. July 16, 2008
ummm Charles, it is actually a right to have a gay marriage in CA and MA. So
you're actually wrong.
Choice | 4:45 p.m. July 16, 2008
I am a believing LDS person who actually has a hard time with the church's
position on homosexual marriage. Now, before many of you jump all over me for
this, I am not apostatizing. I don't make comments about this in Sunday
School, etc, but I think about this quite a bit. I believe acting on homosexual
tendencies is a sin. Some ask why people would be born with such tendencies if
they are sinful and I don't know the answer, but I have seen people born
with many different vices that I believe must be overcome to be prepared to
"meet God" as it were. I don't know the exact reasons why it
works that way, but I believe we are all given tools to get where we need to go
if we have the true desire to do that.
That being said, as LDS, we believe very strong in agency, so I not sure why we are so against people making a decision that might, as the letter-writer put it, "ruin their lives". It might very well ruin their lives, but that doesn't mean we need to legislate for or against it. Can't people make bad choices?
That being said, as LDS, we believe very strong in agency, so I not sure why we are so against people making a decision that might, as the letter-writer put it, "ruin their lives". It might very well ruin their lives, but that doesn't mean we need to legislate for or against it. Can't people make bad choices?
Mike Richards | 4:59 p.m. July 16, 2008
To those who are now taking pot-shots at Catholics, does someone have to be of
the same religion before you agree with him? Have you the same disrespect for
Catholics as you have for us members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints? Do you have the same disrespect for anyone who does not swallow your
spiel, hook, line and sinker?
Can those who demand web addresses learn to read on their own? What is this, a "gimme, gimme, gimme" society where soldiers on opposing sides borrow bullets from each other?
For those who are having trouble finding the web sites, do a Google search using the text of the quotes. Nothing could be easier.
I fully understand that we all learn the basics of using a computer in different ways and at different times, so maybe the problem is just illiteracy in using a computer and not illiteracy "per se". I hope so. I've always assumed that everyone who posts had a valid basis for his opinion, and that he/she didn't rely on "gut instinct" as the basis for his/her posts.
This subject is important enough that to suggest reading before posting should not be too onerous.
Can those who demand web addresses learn to read on their own? What is this, a "gimme, gimme, gimme" society where soldiers on opposing sides borrow bullets from each other?
For those who are having trouble finding the web sites, do a Google search using the text of the quotes. Nothing could be easier.
I fully understand that we all learn the basics of using a computer in different ways and at different times, so maybe the problem is just illiteracy in using a computer and not illiteracy "per se". I hope so. I've always assumed that everyone who posts had a valid basis for his opinion, and that he/she didn't rely on "gut instinct" as the basis for his/her posts.
This subject is important enough that to suggest reading before posting should not be too onerous.
To Charles | 5:01 p.m. July 16, 2008
You crack me up big time.
Homesexual web sights.
Gosh Durn There Cowboy, I have never seen one. I am straight as an arrow by the way.
I believe in human rights. Period the end.
People like you are projectors..They take the very worst things about themselves and try to project those ugly traits on to somebody else.
Your fake take of religious hooey is laughable.
Try using some actual reason in your life my friend.
I have my own set of beliefs. I sure don't try to pass laws on them. I keep them to myself where they belong.
Back at ya, Popinjay. HEH
Homesexual web sights.
Gosh Durn There Cowboy, I have never seen one. I am straight as an arrow by the way.
I believe in human rights. Period the end.
People like you are projectors..They take the very worst things about themselves and try to project those ugly traits on to somebody else.
Your fake take of religious hooey is laughable.
Try using some actual reason in your life my friend.
I have my own set of beliefs. I sure don't try to pass laws on them. I keep them to myself where they belong.
Back at ya, Popinjay. HEH
Mike Richards | 5:04 p.m. July 16, 2008
To Choice @ 4:45,
A practicing homosexual has involved at least one other person. What would you think if someone engaged you, your wife or your children in adultery or fornication?
A practicing homosexual has involved at least one other person. What would you think if someone engaged you, your wife or your children in adultery or fornication?
Ray | 5:15 p.m. July 16, 2008
I'm atheist, adultery, homosexuality, two sisters marrying, are all wrong,
and will be wrong even after Homo sapiens cease to exist.
Choice | 5:26 p.m. July 16, 2008
To Mike Richards,
Unless I was a minor or raped I just made a choice too, so I guess I don't see your point. The person who engaged me made a choice and I accepted it so I made a choice. Are you saying the recruiting issue is the reason we should legislate against it? We can be recruited to do a number of unrighteous things. That doesn't mean they need to have legal consequences for all of them. The government exists to protect our rights to life, liberty property. I don't see it's role as protecting us against moral unrighteousness. I hope I sufficiently teach my children to make correct choices without having them having to have threats of legal consequences as well.
Unless I was a minor or raped I just made a choice too, so I guess I don't see your point. The person who engaged me made a choice and I accepted it so I made a choice. Are you saying the recruiting issue is the reason we should legislate against it? We can be recruited to do a number of unrighteous things. That doesn't mean they need to have legal consequences for all of them. The government exists to protect our rights to life, liberty property. I don't see it's role as protecting us against moral unrighteousness. I hope I sufficiently teach my children to make correct choices without having them having to have threats of legal consequences as well.
To Ray | 5:28 p.m. July 16, 2008
Do you think that millions of starving children, people being killed for
religious beliefs around the globe, women being raped by dozens of men in
Darfur, our water being poluted, etc.
Do your religious views overshadow the real problems of the world?
How petty.
It seems like there is not a God available to help the people who could really use some help.
Why doe's your God give you your ideas, and answer your prayers, but let so many innocent people suffer horrible lives,and die.
Lets worry about them there evil gay people!
I bet like Charles if you have children, you are indoctrinating them as we speak.
No Ray, you are not an atheist. Bigots get most all their information from church.
Do your religious views overshadow the real problems of the world?
How petty.
It seems like there is not a God available to help the people who could really use some help.
Why doe's your God give you your ideas, and answer your prayers, but let so many innocent people suffer horrible lives,and die.
Lets worry about them there evil gay people!
I bet like Charles if you have children, you are indoctrinating them as we speak.
No Ray, you are not an atheist. Bigots get most all their information from church.
Anonymous | 5:31 p.m. July 16, 2008
Can we compare incomes in San Francisco to Orem and see the negitive economic
impact of the gay agenda? Utah has the highest rate of depression.
Mike we can't get in to multiple partners here withut ofending my acestor's religion.
We can glean anything to attack people. We sure spend a lot of time dividing people.
Mike we can't get in to multiple partners here withut ofending my acestor's religion.
We can glean anything to attack people. We sure spend a lot of time dividing people.
Karl | 5:46 p.m. July 16, 2008
I guess what somebody said earlier is really true about these threads.
Nobody is going to change their mind's.
From time to time I do actually learn something however.
I guess we do it because it has some intertainment value. Fun?
Just hope nobody has a stroke while typing away because they can't stand the idea that everybody will not agree with them.
Nobody is going to change their mind's.
From time to time I do actually learn something however.
I guess we do it because it has some intertainment value. Fun?
Just hope nobody has a stroke while typing away because they can't stand the idea that everybody will not agree with them.
Mike Richards | 5:56 p.m. July 16, 2008
To Choice @ 5:26,
If you are an adult and have the ability to make your own decisions, then of course you can do what you want with your life. The kinds of decisions that you make show your character and your integrity and your intrinsic value.
You made another statement that I think is false.
You wrote: "Are you saying the recruiting issue is the reason we should legislate against it?"
Just the opposite is happening. The pro-homosexual activists are legislating FOR something while the rest of society is saying that to do anything to enable or promote homosexuality is not necessary nor is it for the public good.
The pro-homosexual activists are pushing FOR legislation to redefine marriage. They are pushing FOR legislation what would subject a child to being raised by practicing homosexual "parents". They are pushing FOR anything and everything that they think will make them feel complete and good inside.
The rest of society knows that feeling complete and good inside requires that a person lives in harmony with absolute, natural laws.
Feeling good while living in disharmony just isn't going to happen.
If you are an adult and have the ability to make your own decisions, then of course you can do what you want with your life. The kinds of decisions that you make show your character and your integrity and your intrinsic value.
You made another statement that I think is false.
You wrote: "Are you saying the recruiting issue is the reason we should legislate against it?"
Just the opposite is happening. The pro-homosexual activists are legislating FOR something while the rest of society is saying that to do anything to enable or promote homosexuality is not necessary nor is it for the public good.
The pro-homosexual activists are pushing FOR legislation to redefine marriage. They are pushing FOR legislation what would subject a child to being raised by practicing homosexual "parents". They are pushing FOR anything and everything that they think will make them feel complete and good inside.
The rest of society knows that feeling complete and good inside requires that a person lives in harmony with absolute, natural laws.
Feeling good while living in disharmony just isn't going to happen.
Sarah | 6:08 p.m. July 16, 2008
I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for this, but these scriptures seem
to apply to some of these comments.
First of all, the prophet and his presidency have issued their position on this matter. For members of the church, we need to either support them, or leave. We can't just sit on the fence anymore. 1 Ne. 11:34-35 warns that even the members of the church will gather together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb. It happened in the early church after Christ's crucifixion, and it's going to happen again to us. We need to watch and be careful, and make sure we're on the right side of the fight.
And secondly, to all those comments from people who are happy living their life the way they want to, without following the commandments of the Lord, 3 Ne. 27:11 says "But if it be NOT built upon my gospel, and IS built upon the works of men or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they shall have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh..." You're happy right now, but unfortunately, it won't last forever.
First of all, the prophet and his presidency have issued their position on this matter. For members of the church, we need to either support them, or leave. We can't just sit on the fence anymore. 1 Ne. 11:34-35 warns that even the members of the church will gather together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb. It happened in the early church after Christ's crucifixion, and it's going to happen again to us. We need to watch and be careful, and make sure we're on the right side of the fight.
And secondly, to all those comments from people who are happy living their life the way they want to, without following the commandments of the Lord, 3 Ne. 27:11 says "But if it be NOT built upon my gospel, and IS built upon the works of men or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they shall have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh..." You're happy right now, but unfortunately, it won't last forever.
Charles | 6:11 p.m. July 16, 2008
where are the original thinkers? I haven't seen one post from any of you
defining your original thought.
Come on, you've got to have thousands of examples of your original thoughts that you claim to have. You deride others for echoing the words of Christ as "non-thinkers" but offer up no example of your own original thoughts?
We all know why you haven't posted any yet, because you don't have any....
Come on, you've got to have thousands of examples of your original thoughts that you claim to have. You deride others for echoing the words of Christ as "non-thinkers" but offer up no example of your own original thoughts?
We all know why you haven't posted any yet, because you don't have any....
Tommie | 6:16 p.m. July 16, 2008
I honestly believe that God would never make someone gay, although it is a
proven fact that some unchangeable illnesses, like bipolar disease, can cause
someone to have urges towards the same sex, but the person still chooses to act
on those actions. There is nothing right about being gay, and it is choice, end
of story.
Jeffrey | 6:33 p.m. July 16, 2008
I'm going to love it when the people of California vote to legalize gay
marriage officially this Fall. Then let's see what all the people on here
complaining about "activist" judges and legislators have to say.
Freedom is for everybody, regardless of race, ethnic background, religion, or lack thereof. YOUR religion has no place in MY life, unless I choose to allow it.
It is not those who fight for a "right to freedom" who have to justify it. It is on the shoulders of those who wish to deprive others of freedom why they should be allowed to do so.
Our laws should be drawn on the line of whether by allowing something we are infringing on somebody's rights. If we are, then it should be legislated against. If we are not, then it should be legal.
"There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything, and the wrong way is making somebody do it the right way." ~Col. Potter on M.A.S.H.
Joseph Smith said, "Teach people correct principles, and they will govern themselves" and Jesus taught "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Freedom is for everybody, regardless of race, ethnic background, religion, or lack thereof. YOUR religion has no place in MY life, unless I choose to allow it.
It is not those who fight for a "right to freedom" who have to justify it. It is on the shoulders of those who wish to deprive others of freedom why they should be allowed to do so.
Our laws should be drawn on the line of whether by allowing something we are infringing on somebody's rights. If we are, then it should be legislated against. If we are not, then it should be legal.
"There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything, and the wrong way is making somebody do it the right way." ~Col. Potter on M.A.S.H.
Joseph Smith said, "Teach people correct principles, and they will govern themselves" and Jesus taught "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Did you ever stop to think.... | 6:35 p.m. July 16, 2008
... that maybe the reason lives are "ruined by homosexuality" is
because all the self-righteous butt-in-skies won't let homosexuals live
normal lives?
MY SLC | 6:47 p.m. July 16, 2008
"Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'."
Bob Dylan, 1964.
The times are changing, so either deal with it or get left behind.
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'."
Bob Dylan, 1964.
The times are changing, so either deal with it or get left behind.
Outrageous slander! | 6:48 p.m. July 16, 2008
There is no demonstrable relation between same-sex attraction and bipolar
disorder, schizophrenia or any other DSM-IV condition.
My brother is gay, there is nothing wrong with him, I love my brother and have always tried to protect him from bullies. I am starting to resent all these holier-than-thou busybodies trashing my family.
My brother is gay, there is nothing wrong with him, I love my brother and have always tried to protect him from bullies. I am starting to resent all these holier-than-thou busybodies trashing my family.
Charles | 6:56 p.m. July 16, 2008
Jeffrey, you have so much energy, yet lack the simple ability to think. But
that's ok, that's what the pro-homosexual crowd is all about;
emotion.
There is no such thing as a "right" to a homosexual marriage. None, Nada, Zip, Zero.
California has spoken once on this issue and a few people in black robes thought they know better than the will of the people. do you know, right now in California, they have all the "blessings" flowing from traditional marriage? Yes, right now. So what's the fight all about? Forcing society to accept and unnatural and abnormal behavior as proper and correct.
Sorry, but there are plenty of states that have already amended their Constitutions to detail marriage between man and woman.
If you actually paused to think logically, there is a reason for man and woman. There is no logical reason for a man and a man or a woman and a woman; nor does it work anatomically.
In case you don't have a full scripture set, "Now these are the words which Jesus taught his disciples that they should say unto the people. Judge not unrighteously, that ye be not judged: but judge righteous judgment."
There is no such thing as a "right" to a homosexual marriage. None, Nada, Zip, Zero.
California has spoken once on this issue and a few people in black robes thought they know better than the will of the people. do you know, right now in California, they have all the "blessings" flowing from traditional marriage? Yes, right now. So what's the fight all about? Forcing society to accept and unnatural and abnormal behavior as proper and correct.
Sorry, but there are plenty of states that have already amended their Constitutions to detail marriage between man and woman.
If you actually paused to think logically, there is a reason for man and woman. There is no logical reason for a man and a man or a woman and a woman; nor does it work anatomically.
In case you don't have a full scripture set, "Now these are the words which Jesus taught his disciples that they should say unto the people. Judge not unrighteously, that ye be not judged: but judge righteous judgment."
oh what wisdom | 6:55 p.m. July 16, 2008
yes, let's listen to Bob Dylan and not Christ....what a difference in role
models.
I'll stick with true principles; not something made up by the sexual revolution of the 60's.
I'll stick with true principles; not something made up by the sexual revolution of the 60's.
Karl | 7:00 p.m. July 16, 2008
My original thought is this:
My parents spent much time examining all aspects of many religions. I went to the LDS church when I was a teenager. My friends went so I figured I would to.
I met lots of great people. Some bigots and such, but I liked most of them.
My folks said to me: exactly nothing about my LDS visits.
A girl friend of mine was Babtist. I went there just to see what was going on.
The folks said nada.
I read and experimented with several religions.
I thank the dear Lord that my folks gave me the wisdom to choose my own path. To use logic and reason when exploring faith.
My father read quotes from Jesus on Christmas, and taught me to always respect Christ for his wisdom and teaching while he was here. We grew up in a more or less Christian home, where good solid values were taught.
Our belief in God was left up to us kids.
They gave us the information they had, and taught us to treat people as we would want to be treated.
Do not judge people for what they happen to be born with.
My parents spent much time examining all aspects of many religions. I went to the LDS church when I was a teenager. My friends went so I figured I would to.
I met lots of great people. Some bigots and such, but I liked most of them.
My folks said to me: exactly nothing about my LDS visits.
A girl friend of mine was Babtist. I went there just to see what was going on.
The folks said nada.
I read and experimented with several religions.
I thank the dear Lord that my folks gave me the wisdom to choose my own path. To use logic and reason when exploring faith.
My father read quotes from Jesus on Christmas, and taught me to always respect Christ for his wisdom and teaching while he was here. We grew up in a more or less Christian home, where good solid values were taught.
Our belief in God was left up to us kids.
They gave us the information they had, and taught us to treat people as we would want to be treated.
Do not judge people for what they happen to be born with.
Anonymous | 7:10 p.m. July 16, 2008
More and more people deal with gays. Look at our White House. It's hard to
hate without fear.
I live in California. I've never been bothered by gays. They work hard and they treat me with respect.
This is the same conclusion as most Californians have. This is why, the majority us us favor gay mariage.
Boycott California, and do us a favor.
I live in California. I've never been bothered by gays. They work hard and they treat me with respect.
This is the same conclusion as most Californians have. This is why, the majority us us favor gay mariage.
Boycott California, and do us a favor.
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I don't see any ridicule. I see a group of people trying to normalize an unnatural and destructive behavior. If I don't accept their "cause" and that is ridicule, then I guess ridicule it is. But we both know that's not the case.
I'd love to know what scripture you are referring to where Christ said don't ridicule.
Also, can you please enumerate for us just 1 original thought that you have had? I just need 1. As you are sharing with us that original thought, please detail the circumstances around that original thought and how it came to be.