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Brad Rock: Cougs, Utes destined for showdown
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We finished the season #1 in the Nation before, been there, done that.
It's not like we were in the NCAA championship game and came out #2, then missed an invite to the NIT.
But we won't be satisfied with #6, we're shootin' for #1 there, "three years in a row dude".
We did it before, we can do it again. BYU has what is called a "program", not one hit wonders, then the coach bolts...
"BYU has a lot to prove before they are crowned champions of anything.""
It's your quote, own it there babe.
Undefeated in conference two years in a row, ranked 14th, and you decree we shouldn't "start to speculate about their BCS potential".
Well, it us and the national media you are trying to silence, so just deal with it.
Yooterville folks want a #6, and then flip back to team #3 tied mediocrity in MWC, that's their choice.
We ARE speculating about the National Championship AGAIN because IT'S THERE, and alot of it is because of Harline, 4th and 18, and Unga's 10 yard run through the goosedown Redzone Defense that give us two consecutive undefeated conference seasons. You had your chance to quiet us, and you were foud lacking.
If yooterville fans want to shut up BYU fans, my suggestions, #1.) don't embarass yourselves in league, then #2.) shut us up on the field.
We did it two years in a row, maybe you yoots could use a little self discipline with your insecurity.
1- NC winner last year
2- Heisman winner last year
3- Penn States coach
4- Where did M Faulk go to school
5- Where did P Manning go to school.
They got 18 of 50.
I went out of state at 18 to play ball and am not really a big fan of either team. I hope for Utah to do well each year not BYU. Only because of their fans.
I agree with you that both Utah and BYU fans are civil for the most part. Throw that out for the rivalry game. I didn't grow up in Utah, but I think I understand the rivalry pretty well. One part of the rivalry that fascinates me is the Mormon vs. Mormon part of it. It's not just a "We don't like BYU cause they're Mormon" type thing. The L.D.S. members that are Utes don't like BYU either. Despite some uglingess it's a very fun rivalry. You get caught up so emotionally in the games that it's easy to say something stupid. Sportsmanship in this rivalry is very lacking from both sides. It gives one a great chance to try and practice self-control under trying circumstances. Go Cougs!! and good luck Utes in your other games.
BYU and Utah will both have excellent teams this year and the possibility exists for both to be 11-0 and ranked in the top 10 when they meet in November.
Regardless of their successes and/or failures during the 3-month buildup to the game, I'm looking forward to a very close, spirited game, as usual.
The biggest difference I've seen in the two programs since LaVell took the reins at BYU is the emphasis on winning championships. BYU's number one goal EVERY year is winning the conference championship. BYU fans and players see winning the championship as the key milestone in a successful season.
Utah seems to focus more on individual games -- beating an OOC opponent, avenging last season's loss to a conference opponent, beating BYU, and, thanks to the watered-down bowl system and not having to win the conference championship to play in a bowl, winning a bowl game. Moments of greatness surrounded by moments of mediocrity.
Good effort and all, and I don't want you to feel attacked, but I could pick 10 BYU fans out of the crowd at a game and get you 50/50, and pull 10 Utes and get 0/50.
Base your rivary on the team, and if neither is important to you, don't.
Just enjoy life.
The Utes will, once again, be demonstrating their superior obscene-gesture-inducing game plan in Laramie this year. What will they do for an encore?
I must admit that some of my Utah supporters tailgate with alcohol and can become a little obnoxious. They are good fans. Those tailgaters make up a very small percentage of fans. Maybe 5%. I would say nearly 80% of the fans attending Utah games are LDS families. As a percentage, I would say our obnoxious fans and BYU obnoxious fans are just as obnoxious. I have seen as many fights in Provo than I've seen in Salt Lake. The BYU fans that drink stay home rather than attending the games. I hear the same language from both sides.
Just because BYU is a religious based campus doesn't make them holier than anyone else.
LOL
It's BYU looking to follow big brother's footsteps to the BSC party. Fot Utah its been there, done that.
Until BYU accompishes their BSC goal they will always be a pesty and annoying "little brother"."
Um I don't know what the BSC is but if you meant the BCS you must look back at your history and remember that it was invented because of BYU so there would never have been an accomplishment for you to achieve if we hadn't been the reason it was created.
What is more significant the person who invented something like say a car or the first person to take it for a test drive?
Now move over most of America now knows who is in the driver's seat . . . BYU . . .
BYU isn't looking to follow in little brother's tiny footsteps, BYU is aiming to repeat what they've already done, win another National Championship. For BYU, it's been there, done that, let's do it again.
To Utah fans, the pinacle of college football is a BCS invite.
To BYU fans, and everybody else in the college football universe, the pinacle of college football is a National Championship.
Revel in 1984 all you want. It won't help you get to your current goal of a BCS bowl.
2004 was a great feeling, and I only have to remember four years ago not 24."
And 2004 will not get you another BCS bowl and never will get you a national championship.
In addition to 1984, we have
1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1996, 2001, 2006, and 2007
to mention just A FEW of the memorable BYU teams of the past 50 years.
"The system will never allow a NON BCS team a shot at the National Championship."
That is the same line that we heard back in 1984.
Problem is, BYU has more tradition of Quarterbacks, productive offenses, defensives and NATIONAL RANKINGS than most Non-BCS and many BCS teams. That is why even with their great season in 200r, the Utes ended up #6, and in 1984 BYU ended up #1.
While many Ute posters just celebrated moving out of the basement, people who actuall vote for the National Champion know the tradition.
So keep saying "The system will never allow a non-BCS team" just like they did in 1984, and once again, if the season turns out, BYU will be ranked #1, and your yooterville fanbase can put another astrisk next to it, and BYU will have another Trophy, unlike the empty space in the Huntsman Center reserved or the "BCS Buster nonexistent Trophy".
The top two teams in the final BCS Standings will be placed in the National Championship Game ("NCG").
Trust me, if BYU is ranked #1 or 2, they will play in the NCG.
Utha can't make up that much room. BYU can.
Its not that simple.. BYU does have a chance if they went undefeated to play in the national championship game, but it would take a great more than going undefeated. Remember, theres more than than the 2 polls which determine BCS rankings. Theres also the computer rankings which will penalize BYU heavily for their schedule. BYU needs to go undefeated, have Washington and UCLA have decent years and seriously hope there are not 2 undefeated BCS teams out there. Plus if one of the Super-programs like USC, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, just to name a few, has only 1 loss then there is no way BYU would get in. It can happen but it would take EVERYTHING falling into the right place.
But dont talk about it too much. BYU is a very good team but other MWC teams shouldnt be intimated. It wouldnt have taken much for BYU to go 8-5 last year and I doubt they have as good as a team this year. They will have a spectacular offense and an average D, maybe worse. They're very good but the cougars are a football team with some definite vulnerabilities.
First of all: It never happened. I've been to the Utah-BYU games for the past 12 years, and all you Ute fans post about all the terrible things that have happened, it's BS, and trust me, if someone did it, it was a Ute.
Second: You come after the Cougars with a made up story, attempting to try to make them feel bad. hitting in the "missionary soft spot", hopeing they'll bite and give you an undeserved apology.
Lastly: If I had an investigator, the last place I would take them is a BYU-Utah game, because they would see all the anti-LDS hate spewed by the Ute fans. Plus, they would ask, "Are some of those foul-mouthed-louts in red LDS?" And you would have to answer yes.
I'm suprised you stopped at food being hurled, why not their beers too? Let's make it sound bad.
Really, if you ever do have an investigator, take them to Temple Square, or to church.
The BYU-Utah rivaly is one of the oldest and best in college football. I love it! May it live forever!
From one arrogant fan to another - GO COUGARS!!!!
"why Ute fans cant [sic] stand BYU fans... its [sic] attitudes like yours that makes [sic] us angry"
There is a small minority, but most Utah fans are not beer-guzzling, Mormon-hating, vulgarity-slinging BYU haters.
There is a small minority, but most BYU fans are not self-righteous, arrogant, holier-than-thou, look-down-their-noses-at-other-religions, vulgarity-slinging Utah haters.
It is possible to be civil to each other and still enjoy a healthy rivalry. The childish behavior on both sides gets very old after a while.
Childish behavior, by the way, isn't restricted to teens and 20-somethings. Some people grow old, but never grow up.
You are so welcome. I ma glad I could help you with that one.
"The next time your in LES and listening to a Ute fan "spew" as you called it any kind of hostility towards byu just keep in mind that its attitudes like yours that makes us angry."
I will bear that in mind, while my 78 year old father, who has never sworn in his life, never tasted a beer, and myself, listen to the vulgarities "spew" from the mouths of red sweatshirted "fans" rocking unsteadily, that it is "my fault" you are all so angry.
I am the puppetmaster???
Wow, how powerful I must be...
These stats show that one team is trending downward, losing (or lost) their relevance of the '70s and '80s. The other has been steadily trending upwards and HAS RE-ESTABLISHED AN HISTORICAL DOMINANCE of the former. That same former team needs to thank the Almighty for a couple of miracle plays, and recognize that "luck" and "magic" are not sustainable virtues.
Let me break it down for you fans of that 1 blue man group; I suppose that its okay to pretend its 1985 (Where is Bruce Sprinsteen when you need him?) but heaven forbid your rival is the 1st to set a precedence which your beloved institution has yet to & probably won't EVER do.
I don't see any Sooner fans complaining about the Fiesta Bowl. lol.
Truthfully, neither the U or Y could hang w/ the 2nd string from Florida, LSU, Georgia, etc...
Please tell me your kidding. What do the 1st letters spell?
BYU fans can not be that objective.
Because he was right, it was a made up incident.
Zoobies are so squeaky clean it makes us all seem dirty.
I'm a Ute fan, been to all the games, we need to quit making it up and call it what it is. It's weird there, it's Stepford, it's cafeine free cola, and popcorn songs.
I have had Zoobs try to strike up conversations, even told me on occasion BYU made a great play there. They are too intense, but good people and we shold lay off the Troll stuff.
"BYU" made the great play???
We Utes are to wise to fall for the old "Bugs Bunny" switch.
Come out of the shallow end for a couple of minutes man. I dont care that you and your dad have never used a curse word or that youve never tasted a beer...Or for that matter, you think that anybody who would choose drink a beer is a "unsteady" alcoholic. Get out more man. But once again, you have perfectly articulated the BYU attitude.
Nice selective use of trends to come to an erroneous conclusion.
You conveniently ignored the changing of the guard in 2005 when Bronco Mendenhall and Kyle Whittingham took over the BYU and Utah football programs. Changing the head football coach is probably the single most important factor in determining the long-term trend of a football team.
Therefore, the ONLY trend that is really relevant is the CURRENT trend with the CURRENT head coaches.
Record since 2005
BYU (Mendenhall)
2005 6-6, 5-3 (MWC) 2nd tie
2006 11-2, 8-0 (MWC) 1st, AP #16, Coaches #15, BCS #20
2007 11-2, 8-0 (MWC) 1st, AP #14, Coaches #14, BCS #17
2-1 vs Utah
Overall 28-10 (74%), MWC 21-3 (88%)
2 Conference Championships
2 Top 25 Finishes
Record since 2005
Utah (Whittingham)
2005 7-5, 4-4 (MWC) 4th tie
2006 8-5, 5-3 (MWC) 3rd tie
2007 9-4, 5-3 (MWC) 3rd tie
1-2 vs BYU
Overall 24-14 (63%), MWC 14-10 (58%)
0 Conference Championships
0 Top 25 Finishes
Dominance has indeed been re-established. The dominance that BYU has enjoyed over Utah since LaVell became BYU's head coach in 1972.
What? badmitton titles?
Utah has only won or shared 5 football championships in the last 45 years.
BYU
4 MWC Titles
19 WAC Titles
23 Total
Utah
3 MWC Titles
2 WAC Titles
5 Total
Utah 41-34 (OT)
Utah wins a close game in overtime in a game in which BYU was favored.
..............................Utah.....BYU
FIRST DOWNS...................24.......20
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............44-251...31-176
PASSING YDS (NET).............240......309
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....79-491...79-485
2006
BYU 33-31
After taking an early lead, 14-0, and then giving up 24 unanswered points, BYU wins one of the most exciting games in the storied rivalry history. On the last play--a play that seemed to last an eternity--John Beck finds Jonny Harline all alone in the end zone as time expires.
..............................BYU......Utah
FIRST DOWNS...................27.......26
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............24-54....33-98
PASSING YDS (NET).............375......376
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....68-429...74-474
2007
BYU 17-10
After leading or being tied most of the game, BYU defeats its archrival on a final drive.
..............................BYU......Utah
FIRST DOWNS...................21.......14
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............33-155...39-115
PASSING YDS (NET).............269......129
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....74-424...68-244
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no wonder the press is always talking about the cougs they show TRADITION-SPIRIT-HONOR. now quit your whining utah GO COUGARS 13-0!!!!!!!