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FLDS leader Jeffs out of Las Vegas hospital, back in jail
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M8 | 10:11 a.m. July 9, 2008
Well this is how it goes. This guy gets all the medical treatment he needs,while
some poor woman with mental health problems, dies on the floor of a hospital ER
in plain sight of Doctors and security officers. I am not advocating to ignor
medical needs of prisoners. It is just Ironic!
Can you imagine | 10:50 a.m. July 9, 2008
How much Jeffs would like to become a martyr and what the FLDS would think if he
were to die in custody?
You just bet the officials will do all they can to keep him alive and healthy!
You just bet the officials will do all they can to keep him alive and healthy!
kbp | 11:33 a.m. July 9, 2008
watch the FLDS spring him from the hospital!
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dave4197 | 12:39 p.m. July 9, 2008
wonder if the medical people found a heart in him
Doug S | 1:04 p.m. July 9, 2008
Now THAT's bleeding the beast, right there.
Levi | 1:25 p.m. July 9, 2008
Good grief let this political prisoner out of jail already. Ulcers on his knees,
fasting problems? Isn't it enough punishment? Go find some real criminals
in the Utah State house or go raid a Republican/AIPAC brothel somewhere. Forgive
them Warren they just needed someone to justify their jobs, nothing personal.
J-man | 1:30 p.m. July 9, 2008
Kbp, the only springing the FLDS are going to do is when they jump for joy on
their beds when Uncle Warren heads to that big FLDS ranch in the sky.
Only then, will they be truly free from his oppression.
Only then, will they be truly free from his oppression.
Anonymous | 2:13 p.m. July 9, 2008
AMEN to J-man
JB | 2:45 p.m. July 9, 2008
FLDS or not... In jail or not... He is still a HUMAN BEING, part of our HUMAN
RACE! You would think of all people the LDS faith in Utah would understand this,
and understand being jailed for ones beliefs. I am in NO WAY justifing child
marriage, or rape. Just a reminder.. aren't we ALL Gods children? And all
Brothers and Sisters? Even if we have done wrong???
barnetto | 2:59 p.m. July 9, 2008
ummm...levi, they didn't punish Jeffs with ulcers and fasting. He did that
to himself. The authorities have no need of his forgiveness. If anything,
Jeffs should be asking for forgiveness from the underaged girls he we, from the
families he tore apart, and for destroying the hopes and dreams of that kids
that didn't mesh with the ideals of their communities.
JC | 3:23 p.m. July 9, 2008
I submitted an entry earlier that apparently didn't make it for some
reason. In short, I dito JB. Anyone who is LDS shares the fact that our
prophet Joseph Smith was also jailed at one time. I don't know the details
of Jeff's criminal activities, but it just sounds like there's a need
for some tolerance and understanding - the tone of what seems to be happening
just doesn't sound right. We are all children of God and that is a
fundamental truth. Knowing that makes the ways that we treat one another to be
sacred.
realitycheck | 3:42 p.m. July 9, 2008
I say just put him in general population and let him understand the real meaning
of the word "rape". After all, he's been doing it to his
practioners for years....
Levi - political prisoner? now that's using your imagination. Didn't think you FLDS actually had a sense of humor. Good one.
JB - since you asked... NO - he's not my brother. He's just the crazy guy that convinced a bunch of weak people to follow him past common sense, to that place where everyone must conform and children's futures are sacrificed in God's name.
Levi - political prisoner? now that's using your imagination. Didn't think you FLDS actually had a sense of humor. Good one.
JB - since you asked... NO - he's not my brother. He's just the crazy guy that convinced a bunch of weak people to follow him past common sense, to that place where everyone must conform and children's futures are sacrificed in God's name.
mistereporter | 4:07 p.m. July 9, 2008
Yesterday Jim2485 posted on a related site: "It takes a very strange person
to derive enjoyment from another human being's misfortune."
That strange person has schadenfreude.
I have waited seventy-seven years for the chance to use "schadenfreude" in a sentence. Thank you, Jim. Joe
That strange person has schadenfreude.
I have waited seventy-seven years for the chance to use "schadenfreude" in a sentence. Thank you, Jim. Joe
Hiasch | 4:24 p.m. July 9, 2008
I hope people are as merciful and kind when the next LDS apostle or prophet is
sick in the hospital.
God bless the Mormons. Somebody really needs to.
God bless the Mormons. Somebody really needs to.
JWW | 4:33 p.m. July 9, 2008
My prayers go out to Warren Jeffs and his family. I wish him the strength to
overcome his illness and a speedy recovery.
Gal50 | 4:45 p.m. July 9, 2008
Sometimes it is difficult not to wish oneself a dictator. What if punishment for
Mr. Jeffs involved his forced marriage to all women age 80 and above who were
willing participants? The guard would ensure that conjugal visits occurred
frequently and would be present if necessary to ensure that all marriages were
consummated. Perhaps then Mr. Jeffs would understand the nature of his actions.
This punishment wouldn't be done as "an eye for an eye"
punishment or because of schadenfreude, but because sometimes the best way to
reform an errant person is to subject him to his own behavior.
Between the time Jeffs was charged with this crime and the time he was caught, he thumbed his nose at law enforcement and married underage girls. Does the jail do anything to prevent criminals from continuing to commit crimes? If so, then given that Jeffs may never be free again and that he is punishing himself, it isn't really necessary to subject him to the desires of a dictator.
Between the time Jeffs was charged with this crime and the time he was caught, he thumbed his nose at law enforcement and married underage girls. Does the jail do anything to prevent criminals from continuing to commit crimes? If so, then given that Jeffs may never be free again and that he is punishing himself, it isn't really necessary to subject him to the desires of a dictator.
JohnDC | 5:27 p.m. July 9, 2008
Surely, this guy is our brother, technically. But certainly not in terms of
being in the same mind-set as those of us brothers who are sincerely obeying the
laws of the land in which we live.
I will defend his right to a fair trial, his right to have food and water in the meantime, and his right to inflict injury upon himself. What I won't defend is his past actions that have irrepairably injured young, innocent lives, both male and female.
His unrighteous dominion over others and his unrepentant, willful disregard for the law, is a civil matter. I'm saddened that he exercised his agency in such a harmful way. Those of us who are embarrassed by his choices are just that: "embarrassed". But those teens that lost their freedoms and innocence must have justice done.
"May God have mercy on him" is my "mantra". He's given me, personally, as a mainstream member of the LDS church, a smidgen of grief.
"Prosecuted to the full extent of the law" is what a civilized society must demand.
I will defend his right to a fair trial, his right to have food and water in the meantime, and his right to inflict injury upon himself. What I won't defend is his past actions that have irrepairably injured young, innocent lives, both male and female.
His unrighteous dominion over others and his unrepentant, willful disregard for the law, is a civil matter. I'm saddened that he exercised his agency in such a harmful way. Those of us who are embarrassed by his choices are just that: "embarrassed". But those teens that lost their freedoms and innocence must have justice done.
"May God have mercy on him" is my "mantra". He's given me, personally, as a mainstream member of the LDS church, a smidgen of grief.
"Prosecuted to the full extent of the law" is what a civilized society must demand.
Anonymous | 5:33 p.m. July 9, 2008
Prison isn�t a safe place for pedophiles. Plus it is kind
of embarrassing for Warren Jeffs, since he thinks he is a prophet and he
can�t magically escape from confinement.
Anonymous | 8:34 p.m. July 9, 2008
This man is most selfish. Now he is turning his twisted mind to actions against
himself. Kind of a desperate cry for more attention, or trying to kill himself
through starvation. Just eat, behave yourself and maybe you can get out. I
have pity for him. However, he led astray many, lovely, good people who
followed him and his crazy ideas. I feel sorry for his family too.
You couldn't make this stuff up | 10:16 p.m. July 9, 2008
The Jeffs/FLDS saga keeps becoming curiouser and curiouser. I'm from
Boston, not LDS, but I read the Deseret News articles on this subject because
they seem very informed.
So, have the FLDS always been so dysfunctional? Or did Warren Jeffs personal pedophilia destroy the sect?
So, have the FLDS always been so dysfunctional? Or did Warren Jeffs personal pedophilia destroy the sect?
DAT | 11:26 p.m. July 9, 2008
To Anonymous,
I thought you were a supporter of polygamy?
I thought you were a supporter of polygamy?
Rich | 12:18 a.m. July 10, 2008
Devout LDS want all prisoners to be treated humanely, including Warren Jeffs.
That doesn't mean we think he should be released from prison because his
religion dictates that girls are ready for plural marriage and marital sex upon
reaching sexual maturity. I would like to see Mr. Jeffs on "The Moment of
Truth," answering questions such as, "Have you ever had sex with a
girl under the age of 16 (or 15 or 14 or 13)?" "Have you ever
committed incest?" "Do you really believe you're a
prophet?" I would guess the true answers would not please his followers.
John Lambert | 1:02 p.m. July 10, 2008
To JB,
What makes you think that any of the earlier posters were LDS? Stop assuming so much.
What makes you think that any of the earlier posters were LDS? Stop assuming so much.
John Lambert | 1:08 p.m. July 10, 2008
To Hiasch,
Name one LDS person who made unkind comments about Warren Jeffs being in the hospital, etc. before you posted.
Stop assuming anyone who posts is LDS.
Name one LDS person who made unkind comments about Warren Jeffs being in the hospital, etc. before you posted.
Stop assuming anyone who posts is LDS.
John Lambert | 1:14 p.m. July 10, 2008
To you can't make this stuff up,
I am not yet convinced that Jeffs is a pedophile or suffers from pedophilia. His nephews allegations might come under that head, but it is one persons word verse another, so I do not know there. Even with Jeffs' youngest "wife", she had already entered puberty and so this does not fulfill the technical definition of pedophilia.
At the same time it seems that Jeffs was quite overbearing and determned to make sure he was the undisputed ruler of the FLDS. It also seems that he may have moved the minimum marriage age from 14 to 12. However a lot of this is speculation and second hand information. Brian C. Hales "Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalism" will give you some insight, but even he would probably admit that it is hard to know everything about Jeffs and in doing so one must ultimately make decisions on who to believe and who to mistrust.
I am not yet convinced that Jeffs is a pedophile or suffers from pedophilia. His nephews allegations might come under that head, but it is one persons word verse another, so I do not know there. Even with Jeffs' youngest "wife", she had already entered puberty and so this does not fulfill the technical definition of pedophilia.
At the same time it seems that Jeffs was quite overbearing and determned to make sure he was the undisputed ruler of the FLDS. It also seems that he may have moved the minimum marriage age from 14 to 12. However a lot of this is speculation and second hand information. Brian C. Hales "Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalism" will give you some insight, but even he would probably admit that it is hard to know everything about Jeffs and in doing so one must ultimately make decisions on who to believe and who to mistrust.
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