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Dick Harmon: Are Cougars lucky, good or both?
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TucsonUte | 1:30 p.m. July 8, 2008
Looks like Captain Dick is looking for a scapegoat before the season even
begins. BYU and Utah will have good teams and hopefully when they play this
fall in SLC, it will be with the conference championship on the line.
RE: ASU FAN
ASU has a 10-14-1 record against Arizona since 1982 and the Wildcats still hold the overall series lead against ASU football 44-36-1. ASU is not a BIG TIME football program. It doesn't even have a winning record against the PAC 10 big 3 (USC, UCLA & Washington) Catch your breath and get inside to heal from your sunstroke. One year under Ericson doesn't make you a football power. ASU fans make a lot of noise but not much separates them or their team from the U of A or its fans.
RE: ASU FAN
ASU has a 10-14-1 record against Arizona since 1982 and the Wildcats still hold the overall series lead against ASU football 44-36-1. ASU is not a BIG TIME football program. It doesn't even have a winning record against the PAC 10 big 3 (USC, UCLA & Washington) Catch your breath and get inside to heal from your sunstroke. One year under Ericson doesn't make you a football power. ASU fans make a lot of noise but not much separates them or their team from the U of A or its fans.
Ed Clinch | 1:31 p.m. July 8, 2008
Best of luck to the whole MWC. Beat the big guys.
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redrockcoug | 1:29 p.m. July 8, 2008
Dick is typically wrong in this article about one thing. There are still two
"walk-ons" in the secondary. All of those who were called
"walk-ons" at one point or another earned a scholarship under Bronco.
Kellen Fowler had to earn a scholarship for a year or two before he got one and
I think Scott Johnson is the same.
BYU Football | 1:30 p.m. July 8, 2008
Smack talking seems to be a tradition in Utah. BYU this, and Utah that, blah
blah blah. One guy is even measuring the smack talk against a certain level of
humility that "is supposed" to be inherent in BYU fans.
I have a friend and he is a Utah fan. I am a BYU fan. We live out in the Golden State (aptly named because most fires are sort of orangish-gold). We can sit down and discuss the rivalry without the smack and we remain friends. We are not rude. We don't point fingers of scorn (Apostate Ute Fans, hypocritical BYU fans). We simply like different teams in the same conference. My daughter and my money attend BYU.
My thouhgts for this year's game...BYU wins a close one again, because BYU has the better team (in my opinion substantially better), but Utah will have the heart. I am not opting out of a call on the football gods again this year to beat Utah either. I want Utah to win all their games (except the BYU game) and for BYU to win all their games. In this way we get more coverage in the conference.
I have a friend and he is a Utah fan. I am a BYU fan. We live out in the Golden State (aptly named because most fires are sort of orangish-gold). We can sit down and discuss the rivalry without the smack and we remain friends. We are not rude. We don't point fingers of scorn (Apostate Ute Fans, hypocritical BYU fans). We simply like different teams in the same conference. My daughter and my money attend BYU.
My thouhgts for this year's game...BYU wins a close one again, because BYU has the better team (in my opinion substantially better), but Utah will have the heart. I am not opting out of a call on the football gods again this year to beat Utah either. I want Utah to win all their games (except the BYU game) and for BYU to win all their games. In this way we get more coverage in the conference.
The Truth | 1:30 p.m. July 8, 2008
Here is your truth Utah fans. Completing a pass to a wide open receiver is not
luck it is execution. You can cry about it as long as you want to. But just as
DH pointed out Urban Meyer said there is no such thing as luck. So Ute fans who
are still worshiping Meyer need to call it like it is bad coverage.
Oh and here is betting that Brian Johnson will not start every game this year he never has and never will.
Oh and one Utah fan asked why BYU would want to get into a BCS game since they would be copying Utah. That is a good question since Utah will never win a National Championship, and that will never be there goal. They will never equal BYU in season ending top 25 rankings, or conference titles.
So Ute fans just accept your 2nd and 3rd place finishes and annual trips to the Poinsettia, Armed Forces, or New Mexico bowls. Also face the music that your fans will never love your program as much as they hate BYU's.
Good luck in the big house utah.
Oh and here is betting that Brian Johnson will not start every game this year he never has and never will.
Oh and one Utah fan asked why BYU would want to get into a BCS game since they would be copying Utah. That is a good question since Utah will never win a National Championship, and that will never be there goal. They will never equal BYU in season ending top 25 rankings, or conference titles.
So Ute fans just accept your 2nd and 3rd place finishes and annual trips to the Poinsettia, Armed Forces, or New Mexico bowls. Also face the music that your fans will never love your program as much as they hate BYU's.
Good luck in the big house utah.
WE don't even play | 1:31 p.m. July 8, 2008
My team is more righteous. I am better. You are luckier. I'm going to visit
the sick. My coach is stronger than your coach. I laugh at the blogs!
Great smack talk is merely that, smack talk. If you are offended, chill, cool off, and just enjoy. If your skin is too thin, stop being offended you little baby! Oops, I called somebody a name, how childish. You make me laugh when you are offended by either BYU or Utah fans. It's a fan, merely used for blowing around a bunch of air, so just sit back, relax, and cool off from the wind.
Great smack talk is merely that, smack talk. If you are offended, chill, cool off, and just enjoy. If your skin is too thin, stop being offended you little baby! Oops, I called somebody a name, how childish. You make me laugh when you are offended by either BYU or Utah fans. It's a fan, merely used for blowing around a bunch of air, so just sit back, relax, and cool off from the wind.
geezer | 1:35 p.m. July 8, 2008
RE: BYUTAH fan
I admire your approach. I think it's all a matter of maturity. I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it. Most of us would feel a lot better if we would let go of our rivalry related venom. The rivalry should be fun.
I admire your approach. I think it's all a matter of maturity. I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it. Most of us would feel a lot better if we would let go of our rivalry related venom. The rivalry should be fun.
Concast-hater | 1:43 p.m. July 8, 2008
I think we can all agree that 8/30 is not coming fast enough.
Harmon is a genius | 1:49 p.m. July 8, 2008
Every time harmon writes an article there are a million comments. It's
like colin cowherd said pick a side and you'll get ratings. The truth is
BYU football is a very polarizing topic and therefore gets ratings.
Wayback Machine #5 | 1:53 p.m. July 8, 2008
Most Lopsided BYU Win
1980 (50 points)
BYU 56
Utah 6
Most Lopsided Utah Win
1922 (49 points)
BYU 0
Utah 49
Highest scoring game
1989 (101 points)
BYU 70
Utah 31
Lowest scoring game
1928 (0 points)
BYU 0
Utah 0
First nationally televised game
November 26, 1953
BYU 32
Utah 33
"The Utah-BYU football game on Thanksgiving Day, 1953, was one of the earliest nationally televised games. It was the first of 12 games selected by the NCAA television committee for national broadcast in the 1953 season. An estimated 60 million people from coast-to-coast tuned into NBC and saw Utah edge BYU 33-32 in old Ute Stadium. Impressed with the beauty of Salt Lake City, NBC decided to mount two cameras on the press box to capture the panoramic views. Sportscaster Mel Allen handled the play-by-play and Lindsey Nelson did the color for the broadcast."
1980 (50 points)
BYU 56
Utah 6
Most Lopsided Utah Win
1922 (49 points)
BYU 0
Utah 49
Highest scoring game
1989 (101 points)
BYU 70
Utah 31
Lowest scoring game
1928 (0 points)
BYU 0
Utah 0
First nationally televised game
November 26, 1953
BYU 32
Utah 33
"The Utah-BYU football game on Thanksgiving Day, 1953, was one of the earliest nationally televised games. It was the first of 12 games selected by the NCAA television committee for national broadcast in the 1953 season. An estimated 60 million people from coast-to-coast tuned into NBC and saw Utah edge BYU 33-32 in old Ute Stadium. Impressed with the beauty of Salt Lake City, NBC decided to mount two cameras on the press box to capture the panoramic views. Sportscaster Mel Allen handled the play-by-play and Lindsey Nelson did the color for the broadcast."
haunyocker | 1:56 p.m. July 8, 2008
Harmon, you must be laughing till you cry at the idiotic statements in some of
these comments, I know I am. It's just a game. GEEEEZZEEE.
But there is one fact that I think may be pertinent. I don't care what the record is for BYU or Utah�when it comes to the rivalry game all bets are off. The emotion takes over and as usually happens we get some read heart stopping games. I haven't added up the number of cardiac endings, but their have been a quite a few. Sometimes the Yewts win, sometimes BYU�.but you have to applaud the players and coaches for giving us some really exciting football whether you're Red or Blue. The best thing is that nobody to gets hurt and everybody plays their best. In that case the fans are the big winners.
But there is one fact that I think may be pertinent. I don't care what the record is for BYU or Utah�when it comes to the rivalry game all bets are off. The emotion takes over and as usually happens we get some read heart stopping games. I haven't added up the number of cardiac endings, but their have been a quite a few. Sometimes the Yewts win, sometimes BYU�.but you have to applaud the players and coaches for giving us some really exciting football whether you're Red or Blue. The best thing is that nobody to gets hurt and everybody plays their best. In that case the fans are the big winners.
Legitimate "Luck" Question | 2:17 p.m. July 8, 2008
What if BYU goes undefeated and Fresno State goes undefeated in this upcoming
season? Both have amazing offensive weapons and starters returning. Both have
national notoriety: BYU for their success during the Lavell years, and Pat Hill
and his Giantkillers. The question I have is: Will BYU be lucky enough to
garner the BCS spot in that case? I would have to say no since Fresno State has
the tougher schedule. They play Wisconsin, UCLA, and Rutgers. BYU plays N.
Iowa, Utah St., UCLA, and Washington. If Pat Hill and Bronco Mendenhall had to
campaign, who would be the lucky one???
Wayback Machine | 2:34 p.m. July 8, 2008
How many BCS games has BYU been in.....0
HA HA HA from Boise. Can't wait to play you guys again...as well as the utes and aggies.
HA HA HA from Boise. Can't wait to play you guys again...as well as the utes and aggies.
Luck? | 2:37 p.m. July 8, 2008
Luck is not the question in the last two BYU-utah games. Johnny Harline was wide
open, no coverage. Is that good luck or bad coverage? Again, Austin Collie was
wide open on his first-down reception from Max Hall. Maybe BYU's luck is
defined as the lack of capability utah teams have for defending and coming up
big in key situations. Would it have been called luck if the ball was batted
down at the line of scrimmage and Austin Collie was left wide open in the utah
secondary? It would have been a good play by a utah lineman, not luck. Luck may
exist, but only in situations where the individual has no control over it.
Love wins, close or not | 2:39 p.m. July 8, 2008
This is great. Last year was supposed to be a rebuilding year for BYU. Utes may
have even been expected to have the edge. Call it good luck/skill, bad
luck/skill, or whatever but BYU came out on top in their down year. 11-2 in a
rebuilding year to match the previous year was awesome. BYU fans did not know
what to expect last season, and we were all very pleased with the outcome. I
don't remember any BYU fans talking BCS, but given the way that our team
has exceeded expectations last year, we have a pretty good idea what to expect
this year. Most games won't have to be decided by one play, but I like the
chances given the effort, the desire, the dilligence in practice, and the
athleticism of this team. We believe! And it's great.
P.S. I hope the Utes have a little more luck this year, keep healthy, win one in the Big House, and start talking BCS by the end of the season. BYU is not afraid of your success whatsoever, because it doesn't diminish from a BYU win over Utah at the end of the season, in any way.
P.S. I hope the Utes have a little more luck this year, keep healthy, win one in the Big House, and start talking BCS by the end of the season. BYU is not afraid of your success whatsoever, because it doesn't diminish from a BYU win over Utah at the end of the season, in any way.
J Linds | 2:37 p.m. July 8, 2008
I am a U fan but I really try my best to look at the rivalry from a non biased
viewpoint (perhaps that's impossible for me- I don't know) Anyway,
when one looks at all of the BYU-Utah games over the last decade, I find
compelling that all 5 of BYU's victories over
Utah(1998,2000,2001,2006,2007) have involved late come backs in the fourth
quarter and/or were decided on one play that changed the outcome.
(Kaneshiro's botched field goal in 1998, see wayback machine's
comments for recap on 2000 & 2001 and we all remember 2006 & 2007).
I'm not saying that all of these victories were simply a result of luck and I recognize that Utah pulled out nail bitters in 2005 and 1999(thank you Bret Ratliff and TD Crowshaw!) but one has to look at how each game was decided and admit that the Y has at least been more fortunate than the U.
I'm not saying that all of these victories were simply a result of luck and I recognize that Utah pulled out nail bitters in 2005 and 1999(thank you Bret Ratliff and TD Crowshaw!) but one has to look at how each game was decided and admit that the Y has at least been more fortunate than the U.
No Bull | 2:43 p.m. July 8, 2008
If you ask BYU players, they will tell you they are BLESSED because they are
more RIGHTEOUS than other teams!
I think those kind of comments have placed a very big target on BYU, and many teams are going to come out gunnin' for them!
I hope they hit the bullseye!
I think those kind of comments have placed a very big target on BYU, and many teams are going to come out gunnin' for them!
I hope they hit the bullseye!
Re:Legitimate "Luck" Question | 2:44 p.m. July 8, 2008
Some actual discussion about something? I like it. Fresno would definately
have the better case with their schedule. I don't think either team will
be undefeated though. I have another question. Do you think it is possible for
a 1 loss Non BCS team to get a nod? BYU was ranked pretty high last season. I
think if Fresno or BYU ended up having one loss against someone who ended pretty
respectable (say in the top 25) they could get in with convincing end of season
victories. Thoughts?
re Re: Legitimate "Luck" Questio | 3:03 p.m. July 8, 2008
Do I think it is possible for a 1 loss Non-BCS team to get a nod to a BCS game?
I think it is possible but so many things would have to happen. If the only
loss came from a respectable (top 10) ranked team and it was a close game, then
yes. However, if there are multiple undefeated teams from BCS and non-BCS
conferences then I would say definitely not.
2004: Red team makes the BCS * | 3:03 p.m. July 8, 2008
That asterisk* represents:
- The 2004 red team benefiting from the worst schedule in BCS history (not entirely their fault)
- Okay, they were just better than us that year--I repeat, *that* *year*
- The 2004 red team taking advantage of BYU being cheated out of the BCS/Bowl Alliance/whatever *twice* in the previous 10 years, so the BCS dons felt like they had to let the red team in to pretend that it was fair
- The 2004 red team getting the one of the softest BCS bowl opponents ever (again, so it would appear to be fair)
- The 2004 red team having a coach who was good and immediately left for greener pastures (Remember the last BYU football head coach who left for another job? Neither do I.)
If I liked the red team and had any sense, I would keep my mouth shut about 2004. Wait--nevermind.
* For the benefit of our red team friends, the word asterisk means that star thingy: *. Yes, that one. Here comes another: * (Your side generally calls it "asterick")
- The 2004 red team benefiting from the worst schedule in BCS history (not entirely their fault)
- Okay, they were just better than us that year--I repeat, *that* *year*
- The 2004 red team taking advantage of BYU being cheated out of the BCS/Bowl Alliance/whatever *twice* in the previous 10 years, so the BCS dons felt like they had to let the red team in to pretend that it was fair
- The 2004 red team getting the one of the softest BCS bowl opponents ever (again, so it would appear to be fair)
- The 2004 red team having a coach who was good and immediately left for greener pastures (Remember the last BYU football head coach who left for another job? Neither do I.)
If I liked the red team and had any sense, I would keep my mouth shut about 2004. Wait--nevermind.
* For the benefit of our red team friends, the word asterisk means that star thingy: *. Yes, that one. Here comes another: * (Your side generally calls it "asterick")
Re: Interesting | 1:22 p.m. | 3:06 p.m. July 8, 2008
Sorry, it's hard to equate the no-helmet, leather-helmet,
single-face-mask-helmet era with the modern era.
BYU barely had a football team for the first 40 years of the rivalry. They played some "home" games at Springville High and at the University of Utah because they didn't have their own stadium.
Meanwhile, Utah was racking up wins (and losses) against teams like City High, YMCA, Crescents, LDS College (not BYU), Collegiate Institute, All Hallows, 9th Cavalry, 12th Infantry, National Guard, Fort Douglas, and Oregon Short Line (whatever that was).
Equating Utah's conference championships in the RMC, Big Seven, and Skyline conferences (in which they only played 4, 5 or 6 opponents), with winning WAC/MWC championships is a stretch, at best.
Rocky Mountain Conference (1910-1937)
Utah
Colorado Mines
Colorado College
Colorado
Denver
Wyoming (joined 1912)
Utah State (joined 1914)
Brigham Young (joined 1922)
Big Seven (1938-1947)
Utah
Denver
Colorado
Colorado State
Wyoming
Utah State
Brigham Young (didn't even have a team during the war years--1943-45)
Skyline (1948-1961)
Utah
Denver
Wyoming
Colorado A&M
Montana (joined 1954)
Utah State
Brigham Young
All-time Record:
BYU--488-369-26 (55%)
Utah--582-419-31 (56%)
Pre-WAC/MWC:
BYU--129-180-22 (39%)
Utah--310-175-27 (61%)
WAC/MWC
BYU--359-189-4 (65%)
Utah--272-244-4 (52%)
BYU barely had a football team for the first 40 years of the rivalry. They played some "home" games at Springville High and at the University of Utah because they didn't have their own stadium.
Meanwhile, Utah was racking up wins (and losses) against teams like City High, YMCA, Crescents, LDS College (not BYU), Collegiate Institute, All Hallows, 9th Cavalry, 12th Infantry, National Guard, Fort Douglas, and Oregon Short Line (whatever that was).
Equating Utah's conference championships in the RMC, Big Seven, and Skyline conferences (in which they only played 4, 5 or 6 opponents), with winning WAC/MWC championships is a stretch, at best.
Rocky Mountain Conference (1910-1937)
Utah
Colorado Mines
Colorado College
Colorado
Denver
Wyoming (joined 1912)
Utah State (joined 1914)
Brigham Young (joined 1922)
Big Seven (1938-1947)
Utah
Denver
Colorado
Colorado State
Wyoming
Utah State
Brigham Young (didn't even have a team during the war years--1943-45)
Skyline (1948-1961)
Utah
Denver
Wyoming
Colorado A&M
Montana (joined 1954)
Utah State
Brigham Young
All-time Record:
BYU--488-369-26 (55%)
Utah--582-419-31 (56%)
Pre-WAC/MWC:
BYU--129-180-22 (39%)
Utah--310-175-27 (61%)
WAC/MWC
BYU--359-189-4 (65%)
Utah--272-244-4 (52%)
Joe | 3:09 p.m. July 8, 2008
Joe
Don't make any more comments here or at church.
Don't make any more comments here or at church.
Anonymous | 3:14 p.m. July 8, 2008
It cracks me up how many people are spelling "Ute" or even
"U" wrong. =)
Re: Boise State | 3:18 p.m. July 8, 2008
"How many BCS games has BYU been in" ??
How many National Championships and Heisman trophies (the epitome of college football) has Boise State won?
How many times has Boise State finished in the top 25?
The BCS was invented during BYU's worst stretch of football in the last 40 years--which is when Boise State was lucky enough to come to Provo and even more lucky to pull out a win in Boise.
There wouldn't even have been an opportunity for Boise State, Utah or Hawaii to play in a BCS bowl if BYU hadn't paved the way in 1984 and 1996.
Good luck in your next game against BYU.
You'll need it.
How many National Championships and Heisman trophies (the epitome of college football) has Boise State won?
How many times has Boise State finished in the top 25?
The BCS was invented during BYU's worst stretch of football in the last 40 years--which is when Boise State was lucky enough to come to Provo and even more lucky to pull out a win in Boise.
There wouldn't even have been an opportunity for Boise State, Utah or Hawaii to play in a BCS bowl if BYU hadn't paved the way in 1984 and 1996.
Good luck in your next game against BYU.
You'll need it.
I've got your Asterisk | 3:29 p.m. July 8, 2008
Texas A&M, UNC, Utah State, and Arizona is BETTER than either of BYU's
last two schedules and is better than their schedule this year.
Last BYU coach to leave for greener grass? Steve Cleveland to Fresno State, are you kidding me? Fresno State?! I think Crowton ended up in much greener places than Provo too, albeit not by his own choice.
Pitt may have been soft but they were still the Big East champ, 8-3 going into the game, and ranked #19.
I will assume that by being cheated by the BCS twice, you are referring to '96 and '01. I'm just curious, what part of that 2001 blowout at Hawaii made BYU worthy of a BCS invite?
Last BYU coach to leave for greener grass? Steve Cleveland to Fresno State, are you kidding me? Fresno State?! I think Crowton ended up in much greener places than Provo too, albeit not by his own choice.
Pitt may have been soft but they were still the Big East champ, 8-3 going into the game, and ranked #19.
I will assume that by being cheated by the BCS twice, you are referring to '96 and '01. I'm just curious, what part of that 2001 blowout at Hawaii made BYU worthy of a BCS invite?
To 2004 Red Team... | 3:32 p.m. July 8, 2008
What two years are you referring to when BYU was cheated out of the BCS in the
last ten years? I assume the '96 team was one. What was the other?
BYU/LDS Convert | 3:35 p.m. July 8, 2008
To one & all-
Bill Russell (back to back NCAA championships - 55 game winning streak, followed by 11 NBA Championships - 8 in a row- in 13 years) said in his, "What it takes to be Number 1", "Forget about luck. You make your own luck. A year or so ago, a prominent football coach (Vince Lombardi) put it pretty well. He said, 'There's only one thing I believe about luck�it's unlucky to be behind at the end of the game.'"
He never said anything about magic, but it does happen!
Bill Russell (back to back NCAA championships - 55 game winning streak, followed by 11 NBA Championships - 8 in a row- in 13 years) said in his, "What it takes to be Number 1", "Forget about luck. You make your own luck. A year or so ago, a prominent football coach (Vince Lombardi) put it pretty well. He said, 'There's only one thing I believe about luck�it's unlucky to be behind at the end of the game.'"
He never said anything about magic, but it does happen!
Re: Luck Question | 3:36 p.m. July 8, 2008
"What if BYU goes undefeated and Fresno State goes undefeated in this
upcoming season?"
Interesting question.
BYU will start the season ranked somewhere around 14th. Fresno State will start ranked around 25th.
If BYU beats N. Iowa, Washington and UCLA to start the season, they'll easily climb into the top 10 and will stay there the rest of the season as long as they stay undefeated.
Even if Fresno State goes undefeated, it will be darn near impossible for them to overtake BYU in the polls, which is 2/3 of the BCS ranking equation. The slight difference in strength of schedule won't be enough to put Fresno State ahead of BYU in the final BCS rankings.
But, it would make a great case for a class action lawsuit to break up the BcS monopoly if two undefeated non-BCS conference championship teams finished the season in the top 10 and only one of them got invited to a BCS bowl.
Interesting question.
BYU will start the season ranked somewhere around 14th. Fresno State will start ranked around 25th.
If BYU beats N. Iowa, Washington and UCLA to start the season, they'll easily climb into the top 10 and will stay there the rest of the season as long as they stay undefeated.
Even if Fresno State goes undefeated, it will be darn near impossible for them to overtake BYU in the polls, which is 2/3 of the BCS ranking equation. The slight difference in strength of schedule won't be enough to put Fresno State ahead of BYU in the final BCS rankings.
But, it would make a great case for a class action lawsuit to break up the BcS monopoly if two undefeated non-BCS conference championship teams finished the season in the top 10 and only one of them got invited to a BCS bowl.
Anonymous | 3:40 p.m. July 8, 2008
HA HA HA HA HA HA!! | 1:27 p.m. July 8, 2008
Utah Man at 10:17 a.m gets my vote for "dumbest comment"! He wants to see how good we would be if all our starters were injured??!
Hey, it's a Ute troller replying to his own post. That "never" get's old.
Utah Man at 10:17 a.m gets my vote for "dumbest comment"! He wants to see how good we would be if all our starters were injured??!
Hey, it's a Ute troller replying to his own post. That "never" get's old.
Anonymous | 3:44 p.m. July 8, 2008
"No Bull | 2:43 p.m. July 8, 2008
If you ask BYU players, they will tell you they are BLESSED because they are more RIGHTEOUS than other teams! I think those kind of comments have placed a very big target on BYU, and many teams are going to come out gunnin' for them!
I hope they hit the bullseye! "
So, you put "your" own words in "their mouths, them blast them for what "you" say. Creating your own arguement is an interesting strategy. Very Ute-like.
I'd get your meds. I usually don't start hearing the voices until after 5:00 pm.
If you ask BYU players, they will tell you they are BLESSED because they are more RIGHTEOUS than other teams! I think those kind of comments have placed a very big target on BYU, and many teams are going to come out gunnin' for them!
I hope they hit the bullseye! "
So, you put "your" own words in "their mouths, them blast them for what "you" say. Creating your own arguement is an interesting strategy. Very Ute-like.
I'd get your meds. I usually don't start hearing the voices until after 5:00 pm.
Survey Says!.... | 3:48 p.m. July 8, 2008
Both!
But a "W" is a "W".
Go COOGS!
But a "W" is a "W".
Go COOGS!
Luck and BYU /Fresno State | 3:54 p.m. July 8, 2008
Both undefeated, who get's the bid?
Depends on who has the highest ranking. The edge goes out to the team with the highest preseason ranking, and who has been more consistant in the polls over the past twenty years.
Depends on who has the highest ranking. The edge goes out to the team with the highest preseason ranking, and who has been more consistant in the polls over the past twenty years.
And their off..... | 4:43 p.m. July 8, 2008
RISE AND SHOUT THE COUGARS ARE OUT AND ON THEIR WAY TO FAME AND GLORY!!!!
UTAH MAN SIR, UTAH MAN AM I? Is that a question? Are we having an identity crisis..?? Is little picked on brother getting bothered by this article about BYU? Oh..... SO SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you spell relief? LAST MINUTE COMEBACK!!!
How do you spell wannabe? UTE FAN!!!!
How do you spell lost hope? URBAN!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'd recite more of the yewt song, but like their fans, I DON'T REMEMBER ANY MORE OF IT!!!!!
UTAH MAN SIR, UTAH MAN AM I? Is that a question? Are we having an identity crisis..?? Is little picked on brother getting bothered by this article about BYU? Oh..... SO SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you spell relief? LAST MINUTE COMEBACK!!!
How do you spell wannabe? UTE FAN!!!!
How do you spell lost hope? URBAN!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'd recite more of the yewt song, but like their fans, I DON'T REMEMBER ANY MORE OF IT!!!!!
byu | 4:58 p.m. July 8, 2008
BYU is a very good football team but so are the Utes. This years game will come
to the wire but i am more then confident the utes will pull it off>
11-0 vs 11-0 | 5:04 p.m. July 8, 2008
BYU won the games...who cares how they did. Utah had plenty of so called lucky
plays to make it a game and BYU made a few lucky plays of their own to get the
W.
BYU's gravy train will end (hopefully not this year). Utah will beat BYU again (probably not with Kyle).
If the BYU football staff becomes as arrogant as its fans, we will relive the Crowton era.
If the Utah football keeps looking back as if it really was two plays to draw tears to Kyle's eyes, they will keep on racking up the L's.
The best thing for either program will be a 11-0 vs 11-0 in November.
BYU's gravy train will end (hopefully not this year). Utah will beat BYU again (probably not with Kyle).
If the BYU football staff becomes as arrogant as its fans, we will relive the Crowton era.
If the Utah football keeps looking back as if it really was two plays to draw tears to Kyle's eyes, they will keep on racking up the L's.
The best thing for either program will be a 11-0 vs 11-0 in November.
LUCK | 6:16 p.m. July 8, 2008
Luck is what happens when opportunity meets preparation. This is as true in life
as it is on the football field.
byu fan from texas | 7:17 p.m. July 8, 2008
Think about this when you watch the olympics. Those athletes train for years and
win or loose by a split second.That's sports
Bleeding Blue | 8:30 p.m. July 8, 2008
what are you talking about, being lucky? They are not just good, but are very
very very very good and outstanding and of course will beat the Utes big time
this season and forever......LOL!!
Get Real | 9:03 p.m. July 8, 2008
It will be great to see who is correct with all this speculation going on here
with the postings. Love him or not, Dick Harmon always seems to get the posting
boards moving at the DN.
RE: Re: Interesting | 3:06 p.m
"Equating Utah's conference championships in the RMC, Big Seven, and Skyline conferences (in which they only played 4, 5 or 6 opponents), with winning WAC/MWC championships is a stretch, at best"
Why don't you also throw out Utah's NCAA 1944 B-ball Championship since only 8 teams were invited to the tourney then or better yet not count BYU's 1984 football championship because the system was more flawed than it is today. Records are keep for a reason. Hence, we know the NY Yankees have won tons more championships than anyone else or wait hold on... according to your logic....maybe the ones won during the Ruth/Gehring era shouldn't count because there were less teams and games back in the 1920's and 30's.
It's dogs logic not to recognize past conference records and all time records. It doesn't make them any less important just because they happened prior to the creation of the WAC or MWC.
RE: Re: Interesting | 3:06 p.m
"Equating Utah's conference championships in the RMC, Big Seven, and Skyline conferences (in which they only played 4, 5 or 6 opponents), with winning WAC/MWC championships is a stretch, at best"
Why don't you also throw out Utah's NCAA 1944 B-ball Championship since only 8 teams were invited to the tourney then or better yet not count BYU's 1984 football championship because the system was more flawed than it is today. Records are keep for a reason. Hence, we know the NY Yankees have won tons more championships than anyone else or wait hold on... according to your logic....maybe the ones won during the Ruth/Gehring era shouldn't count because there were less teams and games back in the 1920's and 30's.
It's dogs logic not to recognize past conference records and all time records. It doesn't make them any less important just because they happened prior to the creation of the WAC or MWC.
BwhyU | 10:21 p.m. July 8, 2008
Why is it that almost every BwhyU fan spells 'lose' with two O's?
Utes Got Lucky | 11:06 p.m. July 8, 2008
The Utes were lucky to keep the game within two scores if either:
1) Unga doesn't make a freshman mistake by dropping the touchdown on fourth down
OR
2) BYU has a healthy kicker who can hit field goals from 30+ yards keeping them from throwing it to Unga on fourth down.
If either happens, Briana is forced to throw (game over) and Max Hall is taking a knee with a 12-3 or 17-3 lead.
1) Unga doesn't make a freshman mistake by dropping the touchdown on fourth down
OR
2) BYU has a healthy kicker who can hit field goals from 30+ yards keeping them from throwing it to Unga on fourth down.
If either happens, Briana is forced to throw (game over) and Max Hall is taking a knee with a 12-3 or 17-3 lead.
The NIT | 11:20 p.m. July 8, 2008
Utah's record in BCS bowl games: 1 and 0 [and it wasn't even close]
BYU's record in BCS bowl games: what's a BCS game?
BYU's record in BCS bowl games: what's a BCS game?
Anonymous | 11:40 p.m. July 8, 2008
Utah national championships: 0
BYU national championships: 1
BYU national championships: 1
Watching from above (Canada) | 6:52 a.m. July 9, 2008
I like to keep my eye on the MWC after attending a BYU game a few years ago on
business. The odd time when avoiding more important things I veer off into these
comments and it is always the same. Let me try to set the record straight as an
unbiased referee!
First off you do have one of the best rivalries in the country as shown by the message board activity that is alive all year no matter what the article is about. There is ignorance on both sides but mostly started by Utah fans with a little brother syndrome - Sorry for the honesty.
BYU does have everyones attention, much more than Utah. However Utah is a very good team not to be taken lightly and their only achilles heal is that they seem to come up flat far to often. On the luck issue BYU was lucky to win both those games but did in fact play much better and were in fact 'unlucky' not to be winning.
I have digressed, all I wanted to say was that for a very small state you have 2 of the better teams in college football. Enjoy it together!
First off you do have one of the best rivalries in the country as shown by the message board activity that is alive all year no matter what the article is about. There is ignorance on both sides but mostly started by Utah fans with a little brother syndrome - Sorry for the honesty.
BYU does have everyones attention, much more than Utah. However Utah is a very good team not to be taken lightly and their only achilles heal is that they seem to come up flat far to often. On the luck issue BYU was lucky to win both those games but did in fact play much better and were in fact 'unlucky' not to be winning.
I have digressed, all I wanted to say was that for a very small state you have 2 of the better teams in college football. Enjoy it together!
RE: I've got your Asterisk | 7:18 a.m. July 9, 2008
> what part of that 2001 blowout at Hawaii
> made BYU worthy of a BCS invite?
You're right that our BCS chances would have been ruined by the Hawaii loss, and we have no one to blame but Hawaii and its favorable home environment.
But a few days before the Hawaii game, at 12-0, the BCS dons said (I'm paraphrasing) "we don't care, you could be 13-0 and #1, and we're not letting you in." So there was no chance of the BCS *before* the Hawaii game either. So it's a stretch to say the Hawaii game ruined our BCS chances, since we were told there was no chance up front.
Face it: the 2004 red team's BCS berth was due in large part to BYU's 1996 and 2001 snubs.
I'm not saying the red team wasn't good in 2004--they were fantastic--but they were not good enough for the BCS. (Neither was Pitt, but they lucked out and sneaked in too.)
> made BYU worthy of a BCS invite?
You're right that our BCS chances would have been ruined by the Hawaii loss, and we have no one to blame but Hawaii and its favorable home environment.
But a few days before the Hawaii game, at 12-0, the BCS dons said (I'm paraphrasing) "we don't care, you could be 13-0 and #1, and we're not letting you in." So there was no chance of the BCS *before* the Hawaii game either. So it's a stretch to say the Hawaii game ruined our BCS chances, since we were told there was no chance up front.
Face it: the 2004 red team's BCS berth was due in large part to BYU's 1996 and 2001 snubs.
I'm not saying the red team wasn't good in 2004--they were fantastic--but they were not good enough for the BCS. (Neither was Pitt, but they lucked out and sneaked in too.)
re: anonymous 11:40 | 7:29 a.m. July 9, 2008
National championships in college football really do not mean a thing.
BYU was "voted" the National Champion because they had a undefeated season.
Well Utah did the same thing.
Don't be so proud of your "election" to receive a meaningless title.
It means about as much as the WWE belt.
They just give it to the most popular person.
BYU was "voted" the National Champion because they had a undefeated season.
Well Utah did the same thing.
Don't be so proud of your "election" to receive a meaningless title.
It means about as much as the WWE belt.
They just give it to the most popular person.
Texas Cougar | 7:28 a.m. July 9, 2008
Silly Ute Fan-
The NIT is for basketball, and this is an article on football (though I don't blame you for wanting to skip ahead to basketball, until I think of Utah's recent basketball teams).
I love how Utah fans forget about the luck they've had over the last decade against BYU. For example:
2002: Utah wins by 7 after BYU fumbles twice within two yards of the end-zone (and one of those fumbles was actually a touchdown called wrong by the officials)
2003: Utah can thank Ifo Pili for a late hit after a third down completion. Without that late hit, Utah does not get its three points and the game would still be tied 0-0 today.
2005: Similar to 4th and 18 from last year, Ratliff miraculously finds a receiver in the endzone on fourth and long because Kayle Buchanon blows his coverage on the play.
If we're going to talk luck, lets spread it around a little. Successful football requires luck, that's the nature of the game.
The NIT is for basketball, and this is an article on football (though I don't blame you for wanting to skip ahead to basketball, until I think of Utah's recent basketball teams).
I love how Utah fans forget about the luck they've had over the last decade against BYU. For example:
2002: Utah wins by 7 after BYU fumbles twice within two yards of the end-zone (and one of those fumbles was actually a touchdown called wrong by the officials)
2003: Utah can thank Ifo Pili for a late hit after a third down completion. Without that late hit, Utah does not get its three points and the game would still be tied 0-0 today.
2005: Similar to 4th and 18 from last year, Ratliff miraculously finds a receiver in the endzone on fourth and long because Kayle Buchanon blows his coverage on the play.
If we're going to talk luck, lets spread it around a little. Successful football requires luck, that's the nature of the game.
Oh, please! | 7:58 a.m. July 9, 2008
Utah wasn't good enough to be in the BCS in 2004?!
Their closest game was 14 pts. against AFA and it wasn't even as close as the score indicated. Utah had a four TD lead in the second half.
Several members of the national media thought that Utah was the only team that could have given USC a real game, and that was after USC blewout Oklahoma.
BYU fans have no concept of reality.
It doesn't matter what BYU did in '96 or '01, the Utes were going to get in no matter what. If for no other reason then that Pitt was ranked #19 and was guaranteed a spot. How could they spin keeping Utah out? They couldn't. It had NOTHING to do with BYU so stop trying to take credit for something your team didn't do.
Their closest game was 14 pts. against AFA and it wasn't even as close as the score indicated. Utah had a four TD lead in the second half.
Several members of the national media thought that Utah was the only team that could have given USC a real game, and that was after USC blewout Oklahoma.
BYU fans have no concept of reality.
It doesn't matter what BYU did in '96 or '01, the Utes were going to get in no matter what. If for no other reason then that Pitt was ranked #19 and was guaranteed a spot. How could they spin keeping Utah out? They couldn't. It had NOTHING to do with BYU so stop trying to take credit for something your team didn't do.
nottyou | 8:05 a.m. July 9, 2008
What a bunch of morons. Why would you gather in the heat of Nevada at the Green
Valley Resort when you could gather in Park City, Deer Valley or San Diego? Are
you nuts? Get over this Las Vegas/Nevada thing.
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