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Dick Harmon: Are Cougars lucky, good or both?
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Wayback Machine II | 9:27 a.m. July 8, 2008
2006: The Answered Prayer Facing a loss with 3.2 seconds left, BYU quarterback
John Beck scrambles around behind the line of scrimmage before finding a wide
open Johnny Harline on his knees in the opposite corner of the end zone to win
33-31.
2007: 4th and 18 or Magic Happens Facing their only conference loss of the year, BYU converts on a 4th and 18 on their own 12 yard line when BYU sophomore quarterback Max Hall finds a wide open Austin Collie down the sideline to convert. Freshman Harvey Unga bulls into the endzone four plays later to win the game 17-10.
2008: Three peat!!! :)
2007: 4th and 18 or Magic Happens Facing their only conference loss of the year, BYU converts on a 4th and 18 on their own 12 yard line when BYU sophomore quarterback Max Hall finds a wide open Austin Collie down the sideline to convert. Freshman Harvey Unga bulls into the endzone four plays later to win the game 17-10.
2008: Three peat!!! :)
BYUand UTAH | 9:25 a.m. July 8, 2008
choose to ignore reality and it's problems. Wait! just like the state of
Utah.
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MAX HALL GOES DOWN | 9:26 a.m. July 8, 2008
Your whole seaon goes down! I don't care for BYU football but I know they
have 0 good backups.
BYU fan | 9:29 a.m. July 8, 2008
Not lucky, just holier than thou
Re: Jealousy | 9:38 a.m. July 8, 2008
What a genius comment. The New York Giants won the Super Bowl last year. Why
would any NFL team want to win the Super Bowl this year because the Giants
already did it last year? Nice logic.
Anonymous | 9:45 a.m. July 8, 2008
BYU beat the Utes the last two years - end of story.
Robo | 9:45 a.m. July 8, 2008
Every team, every season has its close ones that go one way or the other, and/or
its pivotal points in a critical game or two. Sorry Ute fans, but the bottom
line is not could have been or should have been, or lucky or holy or any of the
garbage that you continually bring up ad nauseum, but actual Wins and Losses!
You got beat the last two years, this year will be decided on the field just
like every other year and the outcome is rather meaningless in the big picture
scope of things. Sure, it's more fun to win than lose, but in the end it
doesn't really matter.
Jon | 9:46 a.m. July 8, 2008
Luck? I wouldn't call it luck...just capitalizing on mistakes made by the
other team. 4th and 18...Ute defender doesn't play his man right...BYU
gets a first down. Beck to Harline, again the man ops out of coverage to rush
the QB...la di da Touchdown. UCLA almost beat BYU(although almost only counts
in horseshoes and hand grenades) yet the kicker didn't get the ball high
enough so it was blocked. It's little mistakes that can change the game,
not luck.
the universal sin down south | 9:49 a.m. July 8, 2008
re: BYU fan | 9:29 a.m. July 8, 2008
Hop down off your rameumptom, buddy.
Hop down off your rameumptom, buddy.
Re: Re: Thorne | 9:50 a.m. July 8, 2008
Not sure why that reply was addressed to me as it in no way responded to my
post.
BYU-Provo | 9:53 a.m. July 8, 2008
For BYU-Provo it is called scheduling down
RE: reality check | 9:13 a. | 9:56 a.m. July 8, 2008
You need a spell and grammar check.
Try taking that English 99R class again, maybe that will help.
Then again, maybe it won't.
You also need some help with critical analysis and logic; back-to-back undefeated MWC championships is something even non-MWC appreciate.
A repeat MWC championship and a "lucky" bowl win, earned BYU a top 20 final ranking for 2007 and a top 20 pre-season ranking for 2008.
Try taking that English 99R class again, maybe that will help.
Then again, maybe it won't.
You also need some help with critical analysis and logic; back-to-back undefeated MWC championships is something even non-MWC appreciate.
A repeat MWC championship and a "lucky" bowl win, earned BYU a top 20 final ranking for 2007 and a top 20 pre-season ranking for 2008.
No luck about it | 10:04 a.m. July 8, 2008
Let us be honest the two wins over Utah were not luck. Both plays were done to
perfection with QB's who waited for the reciever to be open and not force
the pass.
The Utes have some credit for it though because, after we marched down the field and scored leaving over a minute on the clock they had enough time to do the same and still a vicotory but did not.
Heart and sound assignments with a little patience on the part of Both Beck and Hall.
The Utes have some credit for it though because, after we marched down the field and scored leaving over a minute on the clock they had enough time to do the same and still a vicotory but did not.
Heart and sound assignments with a little patience on the part of Both Beck and Hall.
fewer mistakes = more wins | 10:10 a.m. July 8, 2008
The cougars are LUCKY that the UTES made so many mistakes. BYU was lucky on the
4th and 18 - lucky the UTES SCREWED UP! Cougars were lucky that Harline was
wide open in the end zone - lucky the UTES SCREWED UP!
When I read the ute apologist's comments (Jon, all I really hear is an admission that the UTES LOST THOSE GAMES BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN MISTAKES. In other words, when it came down to clutch time the Cougars DIDN't make mistakes - they executed their plays. They were better players, with better coaches, and were more poised than the guys on the other side who made inexcusable MISTAKES and LOST the game.
So BYU is either unlucky or good...or both. It's nice to be somewhere in the middle of those two options.
Are the Utes just bad...or extremely unlucky? I don't know - but we know it's somewhere in the middle. So that's why Ute fans would rather talk about the cougars, or basketball...oh wait, they don't want to talk about basketball either - let's just keep talking about the cougars...
When I read the ute apologist's comments (Jon, all I really hear is an admission that the UTES LOST THOSE GAMES BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN MISTAKES. In other words, when it came down to clutch time the Cougars DIDN't make mistakes - they executed their plays. They were better players, with better coaches, and were more poised than the guys on the other side who made inexcusable MISTAKES and LOST the game.
So BYU is either unlucky or good...or both. It's nice to be somewhere in the middle of those two options.
Are the Utes just bad...or extremely unlucky? I don't know - but we know it's somewhere in the middle. So that's why Ute fans would rather talk about the cougars, or basketball...oh wait, they don't want to talk about basketball either - let's just keep talking about the cougars...
DieHardCougar | 10:13 a.m. July 8, 2008
Isn't it great, BYU fans, that everyone's talking about how
"lucky" the Cougars were to get an 11-2 season last year with
sophomores like Hall, Pitta, Collie, etc? Isn't it great we're not
talking about why BYU underachieved with a 9-4 record we know could have been
better? Isn't it great that we're not talking about Unga's
dropped passes being the difference in a Utah victory? Isn't it great that
BYU didn't get shutout by UNLV? And isn't it great that we got our
revenge against the Bruins?
Well, regardless of last year's record being luck or skill (I would tend to think it's a combination of both), I'm just glad we have a guy like Bronco at the helm.
Go Cougs!
Well, regardless of last year's record being luck or skill (I would tend to think it's a combination of both), I'm just glad we have a guy like Bronco at the helm.
Go Cougs!
It's only Luck | 10:13 a.m. July 8, 2008
That is, if you forget about the rest of the game.
At RES, utah converted a fake punt. If BYU would have stuffed that, Beck to Harline would not have been necessary.
At LES, after the 4th and 18 BYU still had to complete the drive against Utah, finished off with a 10 yard run up the middle of Utah's "Charmin soft" 4th quarter defense.
Against UCLA, if Hall takes a knee at the end of the first half, the blocked field goal would not have mattered.
Were Utah and UCLA "lucky" to be in position to win those games? Probably not. They just executed BIG plays.
If that is the case, BYU did the same, just executed on BIG plays.
I don't think they put an astrisk next to the "W" in the scorer's book to declare whether the win was Lucky.
Was Dwight Clark's catch in the Super Bowl "luck"?
How about all of the final drives Elway or Farve made? And yet, there is no discussion about luck.
A football game is won by playing 60 minutes on the field. Plenty of games end in last minute heroics.
It's only luck if you are a sore loser.
At RES, utah converted a fake punt. If BYU would have stuffed that, Beck to Harline would not have been necessary.
At LES, after the 4th and 18 BYU still had to complete the drive against Utah, finished off with a 10 yard run up the middle of Utah's "Charmin soft" 4th quarter defense.
Against UCLA, if Hall takes a knee at the end of the first half, the blocked field goal would not have mattered.
Were Utah and UCLA "lucky" to be in position to win those games? Probably not. They just executed BIG plays.
If that is the case, BYU did the same, just executed on BIG plays.
I don't think they put an astrisk next to the "W" in the scorer's book to declare whether the win was Lucky.
Was Dwight Clark's catch in the Super Bowl "luck"?
How about all of the final drives Elway or Farve made? And yet, there is no discussion about luck.
A football game is won by playing 60 minutes on the field. Plenty of games end in last minute heroics.
It's only luck if you are a sore loser.
Utah Man | 10:17 a.m. July 8, 2008
I hope that all of BYU's starters go down with injury. We'll see how
good they are then. Go Utes!
And so it go's | 10:24 a.m. July 8, 2008
Emotions ran high today when an article describing the recent success of a local
football program inspired biting and antagonistic comments from fans and foes.
Having merely asked the question as to the source of success of the BYU football
program in recent years, the article received nasty, inarticulate and hateful
comments form fans across the state, raising questions about the level of
education and intellegence of the uninspired posters.
In a related way, in a seperate story in the same newspaper about a tragic fight with blindness by a young child, these same readers posted NO responses, and offered no comfort or help.
It is interesting to note, that those commenting on the religious aspect of a statewide rivalry can not bring themselves to address higher issues themselves than an athletic contest which means so little to the outcome of what life is about.
Perhaps the comments were intended to inspire goodness and happiness in others? Perhaps the comments conote something other than hate and anomosity? Perhaps life is really just about the Cougars vs. the Ute's?
One can only hope for a happier picture than what is painted here.
In a related way, in a seperate story in the same newspaper about a tragic fight with blindness by a young child, these same readers posted NO responses, and offered no comfort or help.
It is interesting to note, that those commenting on the religious aspect of a statewide rivalry can not bring themselves to address higher issues themselves than an athletic contest which means so little to the outcome of what life is about.
Perhaps the comments were intended to inspire goodness and happiness in others? Perhaps the comments conote something other than hate and anomosity? Perhaps life is really just about the Cougars vs. the Ute's?
One can only hope for a happier picture than what is painted here.
LUCK | 10:22 a.m. July 8, 2008
BSU was one lucky play away from losing against Oklahoma.
I gotta hand one to Dick Harmon on this one. He has taken preparation for special situations, coaching, athletics, skill and execution out of sports and simplified the game to luck.
That's why Harmon sits behind a typwriter each day, and never suits up.
Nice article Dick, or was it luck?
I gotta hand one to Dick Harmon on this one. He has taken preparation for special situations, coaching, athletics, skill and execution out of sports and simplified the game to luck.
That's why Harmon sits behind a typwriter each day, and never suits up.
Nice article Dick, or was it luck?
Wayback Machine #3 | 10:22 a.m. July 8, 2008
2002 Brandon Warfield bowls over the kitties
2003 The Shutout Utah 3-0
2004 BCS Busters Utah 52-21
2005 Bret Ratliff shocks Cougartown
2003 The Shutout Utah 3-0
2004 BCS Busters Utah 52-21
2005 Bret Ratliff shocks Cougartown
BYU fans are silly | 10:24 a.m. July 8, 2008
You say that BYU wasn't lucky, but then you go on to say that Utah
choked.
So your saying that BYU can't beat Utah unless the Utes choke?
That tells you who has the better program.
So your saying that BYU can't beat Utah unless the Utes choke?
That tells you who has the better program.
Aw Ya | 10:29 a.m. July 8, 2008
CAUGHT FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!!! CAUGHT FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!!! CAUGHT FOR THE
TOUCHDOWN!!!
Geeze Dick | 10:29 a.m. July 8, 2008
I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of
it. - Thomas Jefferson
Those who have succeeded at anything and don't mention luck are kidding themselves. - Larry King
Everything in life is luck. - Donald Trump
When I work fourteen hours a day, seven days a week, I get lucky. - Dr. Armand Hammer
Luck is when opportunity knocks and you answer. - Author Unknown
Be where the luck is. - Steven Scott
Men of action are favored by the Goddess of luck. - George S. Clason
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. - Seneca
So there Dick, why argue about the source of luck or the meaning of the word when you can just go out and create your own share.
Those who have succeeded at anything and don't mention luck are kidding themselves. - Larry King
Everything in life is luck. - Donald Trump
When I work fourteen hours a day, seven days a week, I get lucky. - Dr. Armand Hammer
Luck is when opportunity knocks and you answer. - Author Unknown
Be where the luck is. - Steven Scott
Men of action are favored by the Goddess of luck. - George S. Clason
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. - Seneca
So there Dick, why argue about the source of luck or the meaning of the word when you can just go out and create your own share.
Sheesh | 10:35 a.m. July 8, 2008
What's the big deal? Where does it say that you have to like byu and utah
football to support the state and your religion?
These comments (including my own) remind me of the song "too much time on my hands".
You all should give yourselves a break and realize it just doesn't matter.
BTW, Go AGGIES! ;-)
These comments (including my own) remind me of the song "too much time on my hands".
You all should give yourselves a break and realize it just doesn't matter.
BTW, Go AGGIES! ;-)
Derek | 10:39 a.m. July 8, 2008
Hey losers!!!!
Lay off Mr. Harmon. Enough is enough. You cannot write as well or have the ability or skill or guts to do so. I am not sure why the personal rude remarks and attacks. Get real! Get a life! Mr. Harmon is a good and honorable man. Move on!
Lay off Mr. Harmon. Enough is enough. You cannot write as well or have the ability or skill or guts to do so. I am not sure why the personal rude remarks and attacks. Get real! Get a life! Mr. Harmon is a good and honorable man. Move on!
Zoobie 56 | 10:41 a.m. July 8, 2008
The Cougars have been good and lucky. How many times last year did we see Max
Hall get blindsided? I think it was lucky he wasn't injured more seriously
than he was. Both Cougs and Utes fans have a really hard time accepting
defeat. Losses will be blamed on lucky plays, or injuries sustained to key
players. The rivalry is what it is. Both football teams are very close as has
been evidenced by the last two games.
Ute Troller | 10:43 a.m. July 8, 2008
BYU fan | 9:29 a.m. July 8, 2008
re Utah Man | 10:17 a.m. July 8 | 10:45 a.m. July 8, 2008
Wow, hoping that players get injured.
I never hear that from any fan of any team.
Is that an example of Ute Class?
I never hear that from any fan of any team.
Is that an example of Ute Class?
Anonymous | 10:47 a.m. July 8, 2008
"Anonymous Jones | 6:40 a.m. July 8, 2008
I prefer to think that Whittingham is one play away from 0 - 3 against the Bronco."
Which "ONE" play is that?
I prefer to think that Whittingham is one play away from 0 - 3 against the Bronco."
Which "ONE" play is that?
Re: Utah Man | 10:17 a.m. | 10:55 a.m. July 8, 2008
Throwing in the towel already? And it's only July.
Utah's first team against BYU's second team at RES?
Well, if that's what it will take to give the Utes a chance this year, bring it on!
Utah's first team against BYU's second team at RES?
Well, if that's what it will take to give the Utes a chance this year, bring it on!
Paul Carter | 11:24 a.m. July 8, 2008
I prefer being 2-0 in the last two years regardless of how it happened!! How
many conference championships has Utah had eve in football? How many has BYU
had? enough said!!!!!
Re: Silly | 11:22 a.m. July 8, 2008
What is silly is to even imply you can compare the two programs. Every rational
person knows BYU is clearly the better program over time. BYU has been
rebuilding the past few years and still goes 22-4. Utah is in its glory days
and except for 2004, they still can't keep up with the Cougars. Utah will
be good this year, no doubt about it, but then it is downhill from here and the
dominance of the 70's and 80's will return for BYU. Keep in mind that
BYU has still won 4 MWC championships to Utah's 3 during Utah's glory
years.
BYUtah fan | 11:25 a.m. July 8, 2008
There is a tremendous amount of room for variability in any football game. A few
inches here or there or a good or bad play can completely change the game.
That's one of the reasons that football is fun to watch. Almost anything
can happen. But these plays occur throughout the game. Focusing on one or two
plays and saying it was lucky is judging a forest from a couple of trees.
Certainly skill, talent, coaching and preparation can give one team an edge. But
chaos rules the gridiron - that is chaos in the scientific sense. You can call
it luck but it is really just the nature of the game.
On another front, I root for Utah whenever they do not play BYU. That is the only logical thing to do. When BYU beats an excellent Utah team there is much more to be gained. The opposite is also true. Partisanship is great but lets keep some perspective. A strong MWC and a great rivalry between excellent teams is the quickest way to a higher national ranking. Go Utes! Go Cougars!
On another front, I root for Utah whenever they do not play BYU. That is the only logical thing to do. When BYU beats an excellent Utah team there is much more to be gained. The opposite is also true. Partisanship is great but lets keep some perspective. A strong MWC and a great rivalry between excellent teams is the quickest way to a higher national ranking. Go Utes! Go Cougars!
re:And so it go's | 10:24 a.m | 11:25 a.m. July 8, 2008
or...
Perhaps you somehow stumbled across a story about sports, along with the ususal smack talk.
To many, BYU / Utah football is an important and personal issue.
There are many issues we all deal with every day, some as tragic as this young girls fight for sight, some more tragic, and others less tragic.
If for a moment, readers can move away from the everyday tragedies they deal with, and focus on something as meaningless as a football game, well, isn't that nice that there is that type of outlet for fans to vent, express their frustrations, if even for a few minutes. Maybe with all the negative things in this world, meaningless football games have their placer, rather than dwelling on the negatives in life.
I would just like to know, who are you, and what gives you the right to dictate how we deal with all of the issues we face?
I hope you get time to read this before you are magically whisked off to heaven today. I hope that your judgemental attitude does not keep you earthbound with those of us that do adress "higher issues", but choose not to on this particular posting board.
Perhaps you somehow stumbled across a story about sports, along with the ususal smack talk.
To many, BYU / Utah football is an important and personal issue.
There are many issues we all deal with every day, some as tragic as this young girls fight for sight, some more tragic, and others less tragic.
If for a moment, readers can move away from the everyday tragedies they deal with, and focus on something as meaningless as a football game, well, isn't that nice that there is that type of outlet for fans to vent, express their frustrations, if even for a few minutes. Maybe with all the negative things in this world, meaningless football games have their placer, rather than dwelling on the negatives in life.
I would just like to know, who are you, and what gives you the right to dictate how we deal with all of the issues we face?
I hope you get time to read this before you are magically whisked off to heaven today. I hope that your judgemental attitude does not keep you earthbound with those of us that do adress "higher issues", but choose not to on this particular posting board.
Re: Anonymous | 10:47 a.m. | 11:30 a.m. July 8, 2008
"Which "ONE" play is that?"
Beck throwing the ball into the turf from the 12-yard-line, 2005, instead of being patient enough to wait for an open receiver, 2006.
A completion for a touchdown (to tie the game), just like 4th-and-18 last season, would have given all of the momentum to BYU and totally deflated the U.
"ONE" play is all BYU needed to snatch victory from defeat in 2005.
Beck throwing the ball into the turf from the 12-yard-line, 2005, instead of being patient enough to wait for an open receiver, 2006.
A completion for a touchdown (to tie the game), just like 4th-and-18 last season, would have given all of the momentum to BYU and totally deflated the U.
"ONE" play is all BYU needed to snatch victory from defeat in 2005.
Re:Derek | 11:34 a.m. July 8, 2008
How noble and valiant it is for you to stick up poor Mr. Harmon.
I see it as Mr. Harmon wrote a contriversial article that he KNEW would bring plenty of negative posts, and he CHOSE to do so. Unfortunately, Mr. Harmon chose a career that invites public comment, and if he can't handle that, he needs to get out of the kitchen.
He doesn't need your help there, little Derek, defender of the Harmon. Dick's a big boy, and should be able to handle himself as such.
I see it as Mr. Harmon wrote a contriversial article that he KNEW would bring plenty of negative posts, and he CHOSE to do so. Unfortunately, Mr. Harmon chose a career that invites public comment, and if he can't handle that, he needs to get out of the kitchen.
He doesn't need your help there, little Derek, defender of the Harmon. Dick's a big boy, and should be able to handle himself as such.
ASU FAN | 11:37 a.m. July 8, 2008
Utah is the red headed step child of college football in the state of UTAH. The
worst thing that happened to you guys was your BCS appearance...now you think
you are superior to all things BYU. Your egos are inflated (and shouldn't
be considering the UNLV game last year). What a joke. They own you. So what
if you had a run with that guy who is in FLA now, even the UofA had a few good
years against us down here in Tempe. Those facts don't change the
inconvenient truth both UofA and Utah are the second tier football programs in
their states. I've observed that Ute fans (like Wildcat fans) are
delusional...big time Kool Aid drinkers. Like the Chihuahau always nipping at
the ankle of the BIG DOG. Quit yapping. An earlier post had it right...Utah
will blow three or four games this year to inferior talent like they always do.
And as far as Ute fans calling BYU lucky. Collie had it right. Chew on that chihuahuas.
And as far as Ute fans calling BYU lucky. Collie had it right. Chew on that chihuahuas.
re:Re: Anonymous | 10:47 a.m. | 11:40 a.m. July 8, 2008
And that "one" play would have changed the future also, moving Whitt
from 1-2 to 3-0?
Is that U of U math?
Must be fun living in the magical Ute world of leprechauns, unicorns and talking flowers.
Is that U of U math?
Must be fun living in the magical Ute world of leprechauns, unicorns and talking flowers.
McKay | 11:46 a.m. July 8, 2008
Re: Re: Anonymous
I can think of ONE play that would have changed that 2005 game... how about on BYU's first possesion when Curtis Brown dropped a sure touchdown down the sideline. Just because it wasn't the last play of the game or in OT doesn't mean that one play didn't have a significant outcome on the game. The ball hit him in both hands with nothing but the endzone in front of him.. It was unlucky for the Y that he dropped a pass that 9 out of 10 times he would have caught
I can think of ONE play that would have changed that 2005 game... how about on BYU's first possesion when Curtis Brown dropped a sure touchdown down the sideline. Just because it wasn't the last play of the game or in OT doesn't mean that one play didn't have a significant outcome on the game. The ball hit him in both hands with nothing but the endzone in front of him.. It was unlucky for the Y that he dropped a pass that 9 out of 10 times he would have caught
One Play | 11:44 a.m. July 8, 2008
The other reader must have misread and thought you meant Kyle would be 3-0, not
Bronco.
I understand yur post exactly. Makes you wonder why "Mr. Harmon" did not bring 2005 into the discussion. Was Utah Lucky or Good that year?
I think this is something the Ute fans could weigh in on today.
2005, were the Utes Lucky, or Good?
I understand yur post exactly. Makes you wonder why "Mr. Harmon" did not bring 2005 into the discussion. Was Utah Lucky or Good that year?
I think this is something the Ute fans could weigh in on today.
2005, were the Utes Lucky, or Good?
Boise Coug | 12:06 p.m. July 8, 2008
BYU is lucky to have Bronco, who with rare exception (i.e. Tulsa) has a defense
fully prepared and ready for their opponent. Especially when teams throw such a
huge variety of plays against them. Utah is lucky that BYU has Anae calling the
plays for BYU's offense. Because when Whittingham prepares his defense for
BYU he only has 6 plays he has to defend.
And so it go's again.... | 12:15 p.m. July 8, 2008
Thank you for your response... and proving my point. I apologize for offending
you. Admittedly, I was a bit scolding with my approach. After all... I too am
wasting time with this blog instead of visiting the sick. I stand chastized.
Oh, and by the way. It's not who I am that's important. It's who YOU are.....
(GO AGGIES)
Oh, and by the way. It's not who I am that's important. It's who YOU are.....
(GO AGGIES)
Honesty | 12:31 p.m. July 8, 2008
For anyone that watched the 2005 game, I don't think that you can say the
Utes had a really lucky moment. They really just played a lot better than
people were expecting. As a Ute fan who is honest about the last two years, I
don't think that the 2006 game was lucky either. As someone said, BYU had
a terrific drive and the talent to put themselves in that situation. Beck
wasn't particularly lucky, most QB's could find someone open if they
had as much time as he did. Utah just blew it.
If we are honest about 2007 as well, the 4th and 18 was pretty lucky. As a Ute fan watching the game, I honestly thought that Hall had been sacked (the camera angle was terrible as always), and then he popped out of the pocket and there was absolutely no coverage on their best receiver. Coverage had been good the entire game and then, with a little skill and a little luck... well we know. I think the teams were pretty even last year and should be again this year. The Utes seem to just bring their A game to the rivalry so they will win.
If we are honest about 2007 as well, the 4th and 18 was pretty lucky. As a Ute fan watching the game, I honestly thought that Hall had been sacked (the camera angle was terrible as always), and then he popped out of the pocket and there was absolutely no coverage on their best receiver. Coverage had been good the entire game and then, with a little skill and a little luck... well we know. I think the teams were pretty even last year and should be again this year. The Utes seem to just bring their A game to the rivalry so they will win.
RE McKay | 12:37 p.m. July 8, 2008
You just can't say one play in the first quarter definitely changed the
winner of the game. If Brown had scored, things would have progressed
differently throughout the game. Nobody knows what would have happened.
Sure, BYU would have had a better chance of winning the game with that extra TD. But, you just can't say they WOULD have won.
When a play happens at the end of the game, it DEFINITELY changes the outcome.
Hopefully, you can see the difference in these two scenarios.
Of course, all of this is the "ifs and buts" game and really doesn't matter. Utah won in 05 and BYU won in 06 and 07. All three games were very close. The last two definitely would have had opposite outcomes if one play in each game had gone differently. The first one may have had an opposite outcome if one play had gone differently.
Sure, BYU would have had a better chance of winning the game with that extra TD. But, you just can't say they WOULD have won.
When a play happens at the end of the game, it DEFINITELY changes the outcome.
Hopefully, you can see the difference in these two scenarios.
Of course, all of this is the "ifs and buts" game and really doesn't matter. Utah won in 05 and BYU won in 06 and 07. All three games were very close. The last two definitely would have had opposite outcomes if one play in each game had gone differently. The first one may have had an opposite outcome if one play had gone differently.
Wayback Machine #4 | 12:47 p.m. July 8, 2008
1972 BYU 16, Utah 7
1973 BYU 46, Utah 22
1974 BYU 48, Utah 20
1975 BYU 51, Utah 20
1976 BYU 34, Utah 12
1977 BYU 38, Utah 8
1978 Utah 23, BYU 22
1979 BYU 27, Utah 0
1980 BYU 56, Utah 6
1981 BYU 56, Utah 28
1982 BYU 17, Utah 12
1983 BYU 55, Utah 7
1984 BYU 24, Utah 14
1985 BYU 38, Utah 28
1986 BYU 35, Utah 21
1987 BYU 21, Utah 18
1988 Utah 57, BYU 28
1989 BYU 70, Utah 31
1990 BYU 45, Utah 22
1991 BYU 48, Utah 17
1992 BYU 31, Utah 22
Last 10 5-5
Last 2010-10
Last 3019-11
Last 4025-15
Last 5029-21
Overall 30-50-3
WAC/MWC Championships
BYU 23
Utah 5
1973 BYU 46, Utah 22
1974 BYU 48, Utah 20
1975 BYU 51, Utah 20
1976 BYU 34, Utah 12
1977 BYU 38, Utah 8
1978 Utah 23, BYU 22
1979 BYU 27, Utah 0
1980 BYU 56, Utah 6
1981 BYU 56, Utah 28
1982 BYU 17, Utah 12
1983 BYU 55, Utah 7
1984 BYU 24, Utah 14
1985 BYU 38, Utah 28
1986 BYU 35, Utah 21
1987 BYU 21, Utah 18
1988 Utah 57, BYU 28
1989 BYU 70, Utah 31
1990 BYU 45, Utah 22
1991 BYU 48, Utah 17
1992 BYU 31, Utah 22
Last 10 5-5
Last 2010-10
Last 3019-11
Last 4025-15
Last 5029-21
Overall 30-50-3
WAC/MWC Championships
BYU 23
Utah 5
McKay | 1:12 p.m. July 8, 2008
Perhaps I used the wrong verbage... I wasn't attempting to portray that if
Brown catches that ball that BYU would have won the game.. I'm saying it
was ONE play from that game that would have changed the complexion of that game.
Maybe it would have still ended with Utah on top, maybe not. Earlier posts
were asking for one play from that game and I provided that. My other point is,
that although not as obvious as a last play of the game, a play as early in a
game as the Brown drop have great significance in how a game turns out, they
just don't recieve as much notice.
Calif BYU Fan | 1:14 p.m. July 8, 2008
Living in Cal we have so many choices (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, etc.). There is
rivalry here. But the rivalry between Utah and BYU fans is silly. I like BYU
because of its committment to the values of the Church. I like Utah because it
is a MWC team. I want Utah, BYU, Colorada, AF all to do well so that we can get
MWC teams in the bowl hunt.
BYU beat Utah...no questions. Whether it was lucky or not it happened. BYU's program can not move forward independent of the balance (or at least a few) of the other MWC teams. So lets root for teams like Utah (except when they play BYU - or visa-versa) so that the MWC can get some coverage.
BYU beat Utah...no questions. Whether it was lucky or not it happened. BYU's program can not move forward independent of the balance (or at least a few) of the other MWC teams. So lets root for teams like Utah (except when they play BYU - or visa-versa) so that the MWC can get some coverage.
To: ASU Fan | 1:13 p.m. July 8, 2008
ASU has been ranked in the final rankings five times in the last 20 years. The
state of Arizona is the biggest mistake the PAC 10 ever made. Utah and BYU
would both have become 10 times the programs ASU and Arizona are with the
opportunities they were given by going in to the PAC 10. As it is the Arizona
schools are no better than both of the big boys in Utah. The PAC 10 should not
expand, they should add Utah and BYU and get rid of the garbage that is both
schools in Arizona. You need to get out the heat, it's causing you to be
Delusional.
That's Interesting | 1:22 p.m. July 8, 2008
Wayback Machine #4 posts the overall series record, but only includes conference
championships starting with the WAC. What a joke. If you're going to post
stats/records, at least post them with some consistency instead of trying to
spin things in your favor by leaving out the Utes 'other' conference
championships.
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