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To: In CA|8:29 | 8:44 p.m. July 3, 2008
I beg to argue very strongly that the LDS church is not the first to any or all
world disasters. Many "other" churches and non-profit organizations
are in fact there faster and provide more aid. The difference is the LDS church
chooses to promote and publish their participation and bring this unrealistic
and false sense of "we are the ones" back to Zion and all the
faithful! Now as far as fastest growing well you just feel good about that
thought my friend but you should see the crooked little smile on face:~)
Horse Property Person | 9:02 p.m. July 3, 2008
I'm LDS, and I'd just like to voice my opinion that whatever comes up
by way of developments, I prefer wider, open spaces. I know what happened with
Jim Sorenson and the City of Bluffdale. I think the new renovation of Downtown
is great. Sometimes I think people somehow equate personal revelation to be the
same thing as personal preference. I prefer horses and horse property - I
don't like the capitalistic milk my tenants for all they're worth
attitude but also see that when people refuse to hold their own (be independent
and be 'fruitfull and multiply') - yeah - the developers pay tithing
sometimes too. - - - I opt for Isaiah 5:8, i.e. "Woe! unto you who build
house upon house, and field next to field until there be no place for man to be
alone!" - - I think to large degree that scripture applies as much today as
it ever did. while you're at it, try a recent Fox13 News story on
abandoned mansions in Holladay, try Isaiah 5:9 on for size! - - speaks poorly of
overall glutony and greed in the world.
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In CA | 9:04 p.m. July 3, 2008
Re: To: In CA|8:29 | 8:44 p.m. July 3, 2008
Gotcha! Now refute the other unsubstantiated claims in these posts!
Gotcha! Now refute the other unsubstantiated claims in these posts!
I agree | 9:51 p.m. July 3, 2008
Only in Utah would people complain about improvements made by a church. Who
really cares where the money came from. I believe the Navuoo temple was built by
donors. Get a life.
to "Pocket" | 10:14 p.m. July 3, 2008
Would you be willing to mentor someone who would like to achieve the same
status?
~ Marinda
~ Marinda
To: It's Just Me Again | 10:41 p.m. July 3, 2008
On The East Coast:
You pay tithing and have an attitude like that? Man, save your money, you don't have a clue as to where your tithing is going. I know where mine is going and I agree wholeheartedly. I am so grateful for all that is provided to my family, in return, by the Lord.
You pay tithing and have an attitude like that? Man, save your money, you don't have a clue as to where your tithing is going. I know where mine is going and I agree wholeheartedly. I am so grateful for all that is provided to my family, in return, by the Lord.
Out of State | 10:44 p.m. July 3, 2008
Man, what a bunch of nuts...what a wonderful project...I wish they'd come
up here to the State of Washington and get some action going...we're still
fighting over a transit plan and have nothing to show for the 10+ years of taxes
that are being collected to pay for major improvements to the I-5 corridor in
the Puget Sound area...nothing is being done, well, Tacoma does have a couple of
miles of light rail that goes from the Tacoma Dome parking garage to
"downtown" Tacoma...but what a joke...the traffic congestion on I-5 is
horrible...and the State does nothing but increase taxes to pay for...????? For
those of you who live in Utah/SLC - if you don't like the place then
you're free to move on...try Mexico or Canada...stop your whinning and
blaming the LDS Church for taking action and doing what no-one else could or
would!
To: Out of State | 11:02 p.m. July 3, 2008
You said "For those of you who live in Utah?SLC-if you don't like the
place then your free to move....
It is nice to know that not only the utah mormons we disagree with offer us to move out of state but also the mormons who live out of state offer us the same greeting. Nice....must be something in the culture when you do not want to confront an issue.
Just nice and I am sure proud of the mromon culture if that is the best you can come up with. In fact us non-members enjoy utah but not so much the culture as you have depicted.
It is nice to know that not only the utah mormons we disagree with offer us to move out of state but also the mormons who live out of state offer us the same greeting. Nice....must be something in the culture when you do not want to confront an issue.
Just nice and I am sure proud of the mromon culture if that is the best you can come up with. In fact us non-members enjoy utah but not so much the culture as you have depicted.
Alex | 11:25 p.m. July 3, 2008
"Nice....must be something in the culture when you do not want to confront
an issue. "
I am all ears as to what issue the church is not confronting by doing improvements to downtown on its own dime. Seriously, please explain what you mean. This isn't a setup or a gotcha. Take your time and make your point.
I am all ears as to what issue the church is not confronting by doing improvements to downtown on its own dime. Seriously, please explain what you mean. This isn't a setup or a gotcha. Take your time and make your point.
Re: Alex | 11:34 p.m. July 3, 2008
Point has been made and perhaps you need to figure them out not us! CTR my
brother...
Prophecy Of Salt Lake City | 12:00 a.m. July 4, 2008
There are too many fools here that are tricked by the powers of the adversary
that makes actions that seemed to be righteous, to actually be actions to take
control and dominate.
In this case, so many have been fooled to think that it's the LDS church doing such good works by renovating the city, when in fact, it's the church putting it's foot further into the tent in a sandstorm, then later they kick the occupants out once their stronghold takes over.
This very thing happened with the Main Street Plaza. It was all to beautify the city, but then, they take control and dominate others who don't agree with them.
So, it's not about rejuvenation that's the problem, it's the control aspects, in a major part of the city.
The prophecy have been stated that this city will become the most wicked city in the world, and since the beginning of that had begun a long time ago, and we see more and more of who gets to control it, then, it's obvious as to who exactly are leading this wickedness that have been foretold.
In this case, so many have been fooled to think that it's the LDS church doing such good works by renovating the city, when in fact, it's the church putting it's foot further into the tent in a sandstorm, then later they kick the occupants out once their stronghold takes over.
This very thing happened with the Main Street Plaza. It was all to beautify the city, but then, they take control and dominate others who don't agree with them.
So, it's not about rejuvenation that's the problem, it's the control aspects, in a major part of the city.
The prophecy have been stated that this city will become the most wicked city in the world, and since the beginning of that had begun a long time ago, and we see more and more of who gets to control it, then, it's obvious as to who exactly are leading this wickedness that have been foretold.
To Swenson | 12:02 a.m. July 4, 2008
"Clearly, the people criticizing the LDS Church here are ignorant of the
fact that the city was established by the Church and that extensive real
property in the city has been owned by the Church for 150 years."
Is that why we are so ignorant with the facts that the church couldn't support itself and was about to go bankrupt and sought the feds for help?
What about the ignorance that the church was forced to let go of polygamy in order to be accepted as part of the United States?
If the church was so wealthy with valuable properties, then why were they desperate to seek federal help?
Perhaps it's because the church was broke? Is that hard to admit? And how did they get back on their feet, from the feds and tithing?
Or perhaps Christ used Western Union wiring big bucks to the accounts of the Mormon church?
C'mon, how much longer will the LDS members continue to bury their heads in the sand?
Is that why we are so ignorant with the facts that the church couldn't support itself and was about to go bankrupt and sought the feds for help?
What about the ignorance that the church was forced to let go of polygamy in order to be accepted as part of the United States?
If the church was so wealthy with valuable properties, then why were they desperate to seek federal help?
Perhaps it's because the church was broke? Is that hard to admit? And how did they get back on their feet, from the feds and tithing?
Or perhaps Christ used Western Union wiring big bucks to the accounts of the Mormon church?
C'mon, how much longer will the LDS members continue to bury their heads in the sand?
RL | 12:07 a.m. July 4, 2008
I think these whineing posters are just sad that their church, the church of
govt. should take care of everything is not doing this project. Its sad that a
real church has put their money where their mouth is, and, then gets berrated
like this.
can't we all just get along?
can't we all just get along?
cricket | 12:13 a.m. July 4, 2008
It is so funny to read all of the anti Mormon comments. If you dont like how
they clean up a city or state MOVE!!!! Also maybe you should look into how much
the LDS church is involved in sending Millions of dollars to relief of different
countrys. And do this through other Churches With out so much as a THANK
YOU!!!!! So the next time you are looking to be little or degrade anything that
the LDS church does, Maybe you should look into a few things.
re:Ernest T Bass/ Silent Partner | 12:42 a.m. July 4, 2008
The church MOVES FAST to help. Thing not sold at the DI are sent to Africa, and
distributed by the Catholic Church, (not-to-showoff), because the Catholic
Church has the infrastructer to get the suppies to the needy.
The church gave the people of SLC a downtown green area because it enhances downtown SLC.
The church does not use tithing money to subdize ventures such as this, or BYU athletics.
There are many LDS with money, and as one of them told me "when the lord blesses with money, you have a stewardship to see good things done with that money." Hence, tithing is put to use insuring the Lord's work goes forward, and the $1.5 Bil and the money for BYU sports is paid for by donors, donated, because they exercise their stewardship over their wealth but paying extra. They are philanthropists (The effort or inclination to increase the well-being of humankind, as by charitable aid or donations) who give back more.
NO TITHING SPENT!!!!!
The Church does not want SLC to show urban blight, but rather be a gathering place, where people can come and feel safe.
It weird how the LDS church does something good, and people complain.
The church gave the people of SLC a downtown green area because it enhances downtown SLC.
The church does not use tithing money to subdize ventures such as this, or BYU athletics.
There are many LDS with money, and as one of them told me "when the lord blesses with money, you have a stewardship to see good things done with that money." Hence, tithing is put to use insuring the Lord's work goes forward, and the $1.5 Bil and the money for BYU sports is paid for by donors, donated, because they exercise their stewardship over their wealth but paying extra. They are philanthropists (The effort or inclination to increase the well-being of humankind, as by charitable aid or donations) who give back more.
NO TITHING SPENT!!!!!
The Church does not want SLC to show urban blight, but rather be a gathering place, where people can come and feel safe.
It weird how the LDS church does something good, and people complain.
no wonder | 12:51 a.m. July 4, 2008
I finally see why there is rising divorce in a community that values families so
much, the proverbial back door is always open as a solution to every
disagreement. Time and again when people get exasperated coming to an
understanding of one another, before that understanding is reached, someone say
"then leave." Great way to ensure divorce. Poor way to build a
community.
I find it interesting that many who say "leave" assume the person/people they are saying this to moved to Utah. It seems they disregard that quite a variety of people have been and are being born in Utah. Their families have been here for generations.
I find it interesting that many who say "leave" assume the person/people they are saying this to moved to Utah. It seems they disregard that quite a variety of people have been and are being born in Utah. Their families have been here for generations.
Lessons from Denver | 1:13 a.m. July 4, 2008
Denver is Saltlakes' sister city. As the mayor of Saltlake indicated, Ralph
Becker, Denver had about 7 such sky bridges, and now has no sky bridges
whatsoever. Denver, for those of you who have been there, has a much more
vibrant shopping community. We should learn from the mistakes of others instead
of trying to experience the pain for ourselves.
Sky bridges fail because they take people off the street. A sky bridge is an awful idea, but it is all pointless now because the LDS church will get what it wants.
My only satisfaction in this project, is that it will ultimatly fail, the investors will take the hit, and the domninating political force of the LDS church will lose power. In all due time, this will correct itself.
Sky bridges fail because they take people off the street. A sky bridge is an awful idea, but it is all pointless now because the LDS church will get what it wants.
My only satisfaction in this project, is that it will ultimatly fail, the investors will take the hit, and the domninating political force of the LDS church will lose power. In all due time, this will correct itself.
RE:RE:To Swenson | 1:26 a.m. July 4, 2008
"Is that why we are so ignorant with the facts that the church
couldn't support itself and was about to go bankrupt and sought the feds
for help?"
What facts?
Desperate:
??? where did you get this?
Come on, if you make weird statements, could you back them up please?
"Perhaps it's because the church was broke? Is that hard to admit?"
Why would LDS people admit something that is a total untruth just because it is "your" hypothetical? Why don't you admit there is a big monster under your bed?
Get the foil helmet of your head, stop looking for Bigfoot, the Loch-ness Monster, Aliens and proof our moon landing. The church got it done. the same way they revitalized the area around temple square. They care about downtown.
It's their money, let them do what they want. If you want to get upse about how "your" money is being spent, google Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW), and see how "your taxdollars are being spent.
Deal with reality, there my friend.
What facts?
Desperate:
??? where did you get this?
Come on, if you make weird statements, could you back them up please?
"Perhaps it's because the church was broke? Is that hard to admit?"
Why would LDS people admit something that is a total untruth just because it is "your" hypothetical? Why don't you admit there is a big monster under your bed?
Get the foil helmet of your head, stop looking for Bigfoot, the Loch-ness Monster, Aliens and proof our moon landing. The church got it done. the same way they revitalized the area around temple square. They care about downtown.
It's their money, let them do what they want. If you want to get upse about how "your" money is being spent, google Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW), and see how "your taxdollars are being spent.
Deal with reality, there my friend.
re: No Wonder | 1:29 a.m. July 4, 2008
Nobody needs to leave.
Love Utah, it's a great place to be.
Love Utah, it's a great place to be.
Terri Dance Salisbury Missouri | 1:42 a.m. July 4, 2008
to "Is this a notice of leaving"
Notice that independence in my post in lowercase--as in the state of being independent of and superior too--not the city Independence here in MO that just hosted a certain charlatan's big speech the in last couple of days.
Notice that independence in my post in lowercase--as in the state of being independent of and superior too--not the city Independence here in MO that just hosted a certain charlatan's big speech the in last couple of days.
Phil Ollero | 5:51 a.m. July 4, 2008
What a great church.At least we don't have to beg for money on tv every
sunday. Oh please plant a seed of 100.00 dollars or our ministry will fail (
filty lucre) I'm glad the lds church has money to spend not like other
churches that begs constantly.If they're using my tithe money (which
they're not) more power to them. Salt lake city is our Vatican city so it
needs to be attractive and vibrant. And for all of you who's jealous, too
bad.( sing this song like we are the champions of Queen) We are the true church
my friend, we 'll keep on growing till the end, we are the true church , we
are the true church , you are the false church, of the world . Yaa-hooo!!
Re: Prophecy Of Salt Lake City | 11:20 a.m. July 4, 2008
If I were to say, "Yeeeeeaaah Man! I know what you mean!" - I'd
be saying so sarcastically. -
Anonymous | 11:44 a.m. July 4, 2008
Well lets see... the economy is down the tubes... unemployment is up... the city
wanted to reviberate its down town but did not have $. So the church steps up,
does the project, providing how many jobs for people in the community to feed
their families and shell out how many billions of dollars to feed their SUVs on
Arabian Oil... and all people do is complain.
What is this world coming to? :SHOK:
What is this world coming to? :SHOK:
SLC native | 12:34 p.m. July 4, 2008
I love our city, rebuilding, reclaiming, upgrading, no matter who pays for
improvements, it's necessary to have pride in our invironment. Otherwise it
would just continue to fall apart and become a huge blight. Also may I remind
the LDS disenters that it was the Mormon people who build this city, so why
should we not be the ones to continue being responsibile to maintain and
improve it, if we can?
For a few years my family lived in a predominantly Catholic town; did the LDS members complain about there being too much involvememt of the Catholic church? No, we did not, we were just glad to be surrounded by good Christians, no matter what the denomination.
For a few years my family lived in a predominantly Catholic town; did the LDS members complain about there being too much involvememt of the Catholic church? No, we did not, we were just glad to be surrounded by good Christians, no matter what the denomination.
John Lambert | 12:48 p.m. July 4, 2008
To GK,
YOu need to pay more attention in general conference. President Hinckley clearly said no tithing money is going to this project.
The church is building chaples at an average of close to one a day. Many chaples in Utah serve four wards. There are people in many parts of the United States who drive for over an hour to get to church each week.
YOu need to pay more attention in general conference. President Hinckley clearly said no tithing money is going to this project.
The church is building chaples at an average of close to one a day. Many chaples in Utah serve four wards. There are people in many parts of the United States who drive for over an hour to get to church each week.
John Lambert | 12:57 p.m. July 4, 2008
To it's just me again,
What do you think the church did with re-routing roads at Palmyra and Kirtland? Doubling the number of sites at Kirtland and building a new visitors center?
What about building a major chaple in Harlem, as well as a Temple in Manahattan and one or two more chaples on the island. The costs of building chaples on Manhattan are the highest the church faces.
What of all the court cases it went through to build the temple in Belmont, Massachusetts or the fact that it was never able to get approval for a temple in Harrison, New York.
Here in Metro-detroit it took barely a year from announcement for completion for a temple, but at least five years to build chaples because the city of Detroit has more redtape than the federal government.
In my stake which has 12 wards and branches there are 7 church owned chaples. The church also owns land to build another chaple, but they are holding back since the economy is tanking and so they don't want to build a chaple if there won't be a ward around.
What do you think the church did with re-routing roads at Palmyra and Kirtland? Doubling the number of sites at Kirtland and building a new visitors center?
What about building a major chaple in Harlem, as well as a Temple in Manahattan and one or two more chaples on the island. The costs of building chaples on Manhattan are the highest the church faces.
What of all the court cases it went through to build the temple in Belmont, Massachusetts or the fact that it was never able to get approval for a temple in Harrison, New York.
Here in Metro-detroit it took barely a year from announcement for completion for a temple, but at least five years to build chaples because the city of Detroit has more redtape than the federal government.
In my stake which has 12 wards and branches there are 7 church owned chaples. The church also owns land to build another chaple, but they are holding back since the economy is tanking and so they don't want to build a chaple if there won't be a ward around.
To Prophecy dude | 1:31 p.m. July 4, 2008
"This very thing happened with the Main Street Plaza. It was all to
beautify the city, but then, they take control and dominate others who
don't agree with them."
I think it is beautiful. And if I beautify my yard for my neighbors, and they want to come on my property with a bullhorn and spit on the others there enjoying the peaceful beauty, I would also ask them to leave. If they refused to do so, I would have them removed ("donated"?).
Geeze, what a bunch of whiners.
I think it is beautiful. And if I beautify my yard for my neighbors, and they want to come on my property with a bullhorn and spit on the others there enjoying the peaceful beauty, I would also ask them to leave. If they refused to do so, I would have them removed ("donated"?).
Geeze, what a bunch of whiners.
Clifton | 1:41 p.m. July 4, 2008
I too get a kick at the nonsense put forth by the disgruntled, mis-informed,
anti-mormons and haters in General. Ignorance is such bliss isn't it.
Some of you SLC Twits ought to live in a place like mine, where each and every
plan to develop something always meets with much whining, gnashing of teeth, law
suits and much more by the denizens of my state of Montana. Of course when it
comes to some social type of program, the so-called "Activists" almost
without exception expect the Federal Government to pick up the tab. Isn't
that just great you SLCers, get to support something hundreds of miles from SLC,
something you'll never see or use, with your Federal tax money? I'm
LDS, and like others, pay taxes too alonf with my Church offerings, have been to
SLC many times, think its a beautiful City, and sure as heck is a lot more
progressive than where I live. You outsiders who live there, if you don't
like it move out, for if my history is correct, the Church was there long before
you!
outsiders | 2:25 p.m. July 4, 2008
Wow, I'd like to say "go soak your head" to a few. So the
message I'm getting is that regardless of my family being here for five or
more generations depending on the line, I'm still an "outsider"
because "your" - apparently collective LDS community "your,"
relatives have been here for six or seven generations?
I wonder what the Utes, Paiutes, Dine'Navajos, Shoshonis and Goshutes would think about that definition or who the outsiders are.
At what point does my family count as much as yours in this community? Never will seems to be the attitude if not the answer.
I wonder what the Utes, Paiutes, Dine'Navajos, Shoshonis and Goshutes would think about that definition or who the outsiders are.
At what point does my family count as much as yours in this community? Never will seems to be the attitude if not the answer.
John Lambert | 3:23 p.m. July 4, 2008
The Church corporations pay taxes.
Yeah! | 5:16 p.m. July 4, 2008
An updated downtown look will benefit everybody in Salt Lake. I am glad someone
cares enough to beautify downtown instead of letting it go to pots.
Rick | 7:27 p.m. July 4, 2008
Developments such as this are most often done by private investors and by large
banks etc. I am almost certain the LDS Church has negotiated contracts with the
above-mentioned investors who see a great investment potential for decades to
come given the solid track record of the LDS Church as an institution vital and
committed to its presence in downtown SLC. Face it the Temple, the Church
office bldg. the entire Church infrastructure is not going away and is quite
enticing for investmnt bankers world-wide.The LDS Church involvement begins with
a desire to maintain a great downtown for visitors and Conference-goers and to
revitalize an aging and deteriorating inner city core. The Church most likely
owns a large portion of the land and thus is motivated to see growth and
development take place and make downtown a truly wonderful and safe environment
and thus a draw for years to come.
to:phil ollero | 9:13 p.m. July 4, 2008
reading what you wrote make me realize how wrong i am to think that Mormon
people mostly are wonderful.thanks for showing us the true colour of the
teaching you get from your so called 'true church'.true church will
never has a member who boasted everywhere that their church is true.how arrogant
you are to say and think that only your church is true church.ONLY the church
that JESUS ask PETER,his disciple to build is TRUE CHURCH.remember that and wake
up to your senses.there wont be any other gospel,read:GALATIANS 1:6 to 9.same
with your belief that there 's a living prophet in your
church,read:DEUTERONOMY 13.read also:2CORINTHIANS 11. i do hope you finaly find
the truth.
jj | 2:24 a.m. July 5, 2008
Perhaps if we all had the ability to plan, save, invest and spend like the LDS
Church does, we might be happier. Before the buildings are begun, the money is
there. I don't live in SL, but I love to visit there. I think tithing
money is spent on their church buildings (and that is a commandment? Amazingly,
it has never increased. Isn't it wonderful what they do with that money
and never ask for more?), while the humanitarian money is donations above that
10%. It seems like these are good people who just love giving. Perhaps it
might be better to become good people who love receiving. I could find fault,
but it's less stressful to find friends among those who are different than
I am. Thank you all for your generosity.
Let Me Improve Your House | 11:52 a.m. July 5, 2008
How about this folks. Let me pay for the improvement in your house. I'll
arrange for the contractors and pay for all materials. I'll promise you
that your house will improve the neighborhood, and make everybody happy.
But just one little thing I ask of you in return. I'd like for you to sign over your house to me, and let me have full control of your house.
If this doesn't make sense, then why are all the talk of the LDS church doing such a great thing, when all they're doing is taking everything that they have put their money into?
You think their huge amounts of money spent on the project won't give them ownership? You think they're so kind and generous that they don't have another ulterior motive besides beautifying the city?
It's all business, my friends, there is no such thing as a 1.5 billion dollar gift, unless you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.
And believe me, the LDS church is no Gates nor Buffett with their generosity, who gives aways 95% of their wealth without any catch that goes with it.
With the Mormon church, there is ALWAYS A CATCH !!!!
But just one little thing I ask of you in return. I'd like for you to sign over your house to me, and let me have full control of your house.
If this doesn't make sense, then why are all the talk of the LDS church doing such a great thing, when all they're doing is taking everything that they have put their money into?
You think their huge amounts of money spent on the project won't give them ownership? You think they're so kind and generous that they don't have another ulterior motive besides beautifying the city?
It's all business, my friends, there is no such thing as a 1.5 billion dollar gift, unless you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.
And believe me, the LDS church is no Gates nor Buffett with their generosity, who gives aways 95% of their wealth without any catch that goes with it.
With the Mormon church, there is ALWAYS A CATCH !!!!
cmon, do it. | 2:03 p.m. July 5, 2008
Anonymous said| 11:18 a.m. July 3, 2008
Who cares? The Olympics are over. Who would voluntarily go to SLC?
Me, I would. Trade me now big mouth. Trade me your house. I'm serious. I live in a rust belt great lakes big city. You'd love the change of scenery.
Hope you like run down neighborhoods, lots of crime, bad air, but at least you'd be away from them mean ol mormons. By the way I hope you like catholics because they are the tail that wags the dog here.
Who cares? The Olympics are over. Who would voluntarily go to SLC?
Me, I would. Trade me now big mouth. Trade me your house. I'm serious. I live in a rust belt great lakes big city. You'd love the change of scenery.
Hope you like run down neighborhoods, lots of crime, bad air, but at least you'd be away from them mean ol mormons. By the way I hope you like catholics because they are the tail that wags the dog here.
WBM5 | 8:49 a.m. July 7, 2008
I own a piece of property. I can do what I want with it as long as I follow the
zoning laws. This goes for any one. If the LDS Church owns it the property
then the are well with in their rights to throw their money at it.
If you don't like this idea then maybe you should move someplace else where it they don't allow property owners to have control of their property.
If you don't like what the board members are doing run for office. But you won't because you really don't care. You just like to try and stir the pot. I laugh at you!!!
If you don't like this idea then maybe you should move someplace else where it they don't allow property owners to have control of their property.
If you don't like what the board members are doing run for office. But you won't because you really don't care. You just like to try and stir the pot. I laugh at you!!!
Bill Knowlton | 4:03 p.m. July 7, 2008
When this project was first announced, I cringed as I remembered the Main Street
Plaza controversy (reference anti-Mormons spitting on new brides coming out of
the SLC Temple). The Salt Lake City Council has traditionally acted
irrationally towards Church sponsored re-development. Let's just hope once
the Church expends hundreds of millions improving the central business district
of SLC that the Council doesn't have a change of heart.
wouldn't it be nice | 8:41 p.m. July 7, 2008
Wouldn't it be nice if we could respectfully discuss with people we disagree with?
Wouldn't it be nice if we recognized that we agree with 95% of the beliefs of our strongest opponents, and worked from there?
Wouldn't it be nice if all the energy spent in useless contention were instead spent in cooperating to solve problems?
Wouldn't it be nice if we loved our neighbor as ourselves?
Mike | 9:49 p.m. July 7, 2008
The church is a joke, it is a business and this is all a business decision. I
cannot believe how ignorant the majority of the members and the inability to
think for themselves. I have been a active member for 15 years and I cannot
believe what they are doing and how easily they are able to get away with it. I
really should not be surprised, I have learned the real history of the church or
in other words the truth. I guess many active members do not want to know the
truth, I believe in faith and truth but not in blond faith and never questioning
and obtaining knowledge. The lds church is just another church created by man
to have power, control, money, and pride. Whether you believe the mall funding
came from tithing or not, think about is this way. In the beginning the church
was in great debt and commanded its members to pay a full tithe, if it wasnot
for tithing the church would not exist. Indirectly the money did come from
tithing and that is wrong. Take care of the members and the missionaries and
stop living like kings. What would christ do?
RE MIKE | 10:29 p.m. July 7, 2008
i agree with you that LDS church is just another church created by men.this so
called true church wants its members to be like puppets.NO questioning anything
about the church or you'll be sinners.the church need to be sensitive and
transparant, more so to its members.DONT press them so hard!
Kristen | 12:29 a.m. July 8, 2008
As a native Utahn, and Mormon for almost 40 years, I'm embarrassed by some
of the comments here from other Mormons. Seriously, telling someone that if
they don't like the proposed plan they can just leave the state - how
juvenile is that? I feel like I've entered a playground brawl. Not
everyone who questions this project is "anti". I have serious issues
with the money being spent on this project, whether it's from tithing money
or not. If the church spent even half as much per year on worldwide
humanitarian aid as they are spending on this venture, I'd feel better
about it. It makes their priorities look whacked. This project may help a lot
of people, but it appears it's only going to really help those in SLC. I
would also like to see more transparency in the church's finances. Other
churches fully disclose how they spend their donations, why won't the LDS
church. Sorry to seem cynical, but as I get older, the fine line between
following in faith, and following blindly, gets thinner and thinner.
Aha | 10:02 a.m. July 8, 2008
Yes, in 2007 the church gave about 105 million in Humanitarian Aid. 105 million
vs 1.5 bil???? You make the call.
RE kristen n MIKE | 11:44 p.m. July 8, 2008
its so lucky the lds church still have members like you.hopefully other members
will wake up and learn from you.silent is not always golden .
Ken | 6:10 p.m. July 11, 2008
Good story
mall rat | 11:32 a.m. July 13, 2008
Let me come over to your house and re-paint it. Plant some new trees and shrubs,
add in a water feature, fix the cracks in your walkway. Add a new stero system
inside, how about a bbq out back.
Wow, the value of your house just doubled. What? Payment. No. I couldn't take that. Just enjoy your new place. I just want to make you happy and better the neighborhood.
What, why are you complaining? Oh you wanted day lillies and I planted roses. I'm sorry. Let me switch that out for you.
now is it perfect?
good. enjoy. no no. i can't take your money. I told you I'm just looking to better the community that I live in. I benefit from this too. Your house was looking pretty shabby. so we all win.
Can you get upset about that? I'm sure you can in Utah. Wow I need to leave Oregon I wish we had a rich uncle to help fund the 100's of projects out there. Do you want to see a sad downtown go to Detroit. Boarded up skyscrapers.
Wow, the value of your house just doubled. What? Payment. No. I couldn't take that. Just enjoy your new place. I just want to make you happy and better the neighborhood.
What, why are you complaining? Oh you wanted day lillies and I planted roses. I'm sorry. Let me switch that out for you.
now is it perfect?
good. enjoy. no no. i can't take your money. I told you I'm just looking to better the community that I live in. I benefit from this too. Your house was looking pretty shabby. so we all win.
Can you get upset about that? I'm sure you can in Utah. Wow I need to leave Oregon I wish we had a rich uncle to help fund the 100's of projects out there. Do you want to see a sad downtown go to Detroit. Boarded up skyscrapers.
Frustrated | 12:06 p.m. July 23, 2008
So let's see, a multi-billion dollar shopping mall improves the Utah
lifestyle? If a church really wanted to do something Christ-like, use those
billions to feed the poor, clothe the naked, etc. For example, build, and
maintain, housing for those in need. Then your precious parks will be free from
homeless. Wouldn't that clean-up and improve downtown 1000 times better
than a silly mall? By the way, where do you think the church got the money for
their investments? Tithing. So no more quoting the lie of "no thithing
money was used to build a mall." In comparison, the church is spending
$1.5 billion+ for a mall, last year it's total humanitarian contribution
wasn't even half that amount. Pull the shades up from over your eyes.
Re Frustrated: | 5:17 p.m. Oct. 24, 2008
One, the church owns: A business, that�s in business to
make money, so they invested in real estate and are fixing it up to create a
profit. The second, The Church: consists of its members and tithing, fast
offerings. They use those funds to help the sick, poor, bishops store house,
etc.
And to all those saying that they found the �truth� of the church I have one thing to say. I have read more books about church history than you have, I promise. And, nothing in those books points to the church being false! Both from the Anti side and LDS scholars. So grow up, Live whatever you believe in peace, I�ll live what I believe in peace.
And to all those saying that they found the �truth� of the church I have one thing to say. I have read more books about church history than you have, I promise. And, nothing in those books points to the church being false! Both from the Anti side and LDS scholars. So grow up, Live whatever you believe in peace, I�ll live what I believe in peace.
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You should probably be a little more discreet about the finances. While we have good reason to be pleased over the financial situation of the church, a little more modesty is in order. Otherwise, it is like the kid at school telling you how rich his dad is- people end up hating you regardless. You don't need to feed the fears of people who think that the church is this financial behemoth that is going to run them over. We can be optimistic without overplaying our hand. People end up thinking we have more money than we have, and the enemies feel justified in their conspiracy theories.