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Texas county seeks protection from bills over FLDS raid
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celia | 7:11 p.m. June 30, 2008
Sheriff David Doran was stalking the FLDS at YFZ ranch for years. He made
interviews with news papers and other media. There are video of his smug
comments regarding FLDS on youTube.
I say BANKRUPT the county. The Bigots earned for themselves.
When they elected an idiot like David Doran, they became responsible for what he brought down on them.
I say BANKRUPT the county. The Bigots earned for themselves.
When they elected an idiot like David Doran, they became responsible for what he brought down on them.
deb | 7:13 p.m. June 30, 2008
Seems like the "informants" were making big bucks from the
unsuspecting taxpayers as well as those who bought their books!!!! Hope
libraries who have copies file them approprietly- under FICTION!
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Moniker | 8:50 p.m. June 30, 2008
It's not enough to victimize the FLDS children with raids, now Texas has an
opportunity to victimize other citizens in Schleicher County and Eldorado.
The best resolution for this mess is, remove the parasitic CPS from the county and pay the county's bills.
The best resolution for this mess is, remove the parasitic CPS from the county and pay the county's bills.
zxcvbnm | 9:09 p.m. June 30, 2008
Lets do the math...450,000 made in property taxes this year.......400,000 last year.....how much the two years before that.
69,000 spent spent so far.
Looks like the county has a net gain so why start the poor mouthing now. Why not wait for a few hundred thousand more in sxpenses get charged.
Perhaps Sheriff Doran will have to give back the nice patrol car and the county employees may need to work with no air conditioning for a while so they feel the pain of their self declared ignorance.
wingnut | 9:58 p.m. June 30, 2008
Don't...ha ha ha ha...mess...ha ha ha ha ha..with...
ha ha ha.Tex..hahaha...Tex....hahahaha...Texas.
ha ha ha.Tex..hahaha...Tex....hahahaha...Texas.
This is fun to watch | 10:22 p.m. June 30, 2008
However, the state will pay the bills to keep the county happy. There's no
way they want to turn this into a real fight--all sorts of dirty laundry could
get exposed.
Doran was more involved than they're letting on. He didn't write the original warrant, but he is described in it as a key source of information. He also fielded the call from the in-Arizona-on-probation Barlow at the gate. The search continued, of course, because he couldn't validate it truly was Barlow on the phone--compare that with the solidly validated March 29th call.
Doran was more involved than they're letting on. He didn't write the original warrant, but he is described in it as a key source of information. He also fielded the call from the in-Arizona-on-probation Barlow at the gate. The search continued, of course, because he couldn't validate it truly was Barlow on the phone--compare that with the solidly validated March 29th call.
Gal50 | 10:27 p.m. June 30, 2008
Given all of the taxes the FLDS paid, it may be footing part of the raid bill
and it certainly didn't authorize a raid on itself either.
Whoever stated that the state will pick up the bills needs to be shipped the bills.
Things this big should be handled at the state or federal level. It is a costly problem that needs to be addressed. The outside world which controls law enforcement needs to understand how much criminal behavior exists and how much can and needs to be prosecuted. Now law enforcement in Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado, South Dakota and Canada know what they are facing. There is plenty of non-biased hard evidence that will create an accurate picture as long as our culture can interpret theirs. The case will not be based on ex-FLDS or FLDS biased information. Hopefully things will change so that 14 year-olds are not focused on marriage to older men, but on enjoying their teen years.
Whoever stated that the state will pick up the bills needs to be shipped the bills.
Things this big should be handled at the state or federal level. It is a costly problem that needs to be addressed. The outside world which controls law enforcement needs to understand how much criminal behavior exists and how much can and needs to be prosecuted. Now law enforcement in Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado, South Dakota and Canada know what they are facing. There is plenty of non-biased hard evidence that will create an accurate picture as long as our culture can interpret theirs. The case will not be based on ex-FLDS or FLDS biased information. Hopefully things will change so that 14 year-olds are not focused on marriage to older men, but on enjoying their teen years.
TXsusieQ | 10:45 p.m. June 30, 2008
You folks are stupid.
Read the warrants and affidavits.
Texas Ranger Brook Long took the lead on both search warrants.
Let's talk about the real yarn spinners....YFZ FLDS!
Read the warrants and affidavits.
Texas Ranger Brook Long took the lead on both search warrants.
Let's talk about the real yarn spinners....YFZ FLDS!
Re:TXsusieQ | 12:30 a.m. July 1, 2008
Always good stuff when the Texas apologists post.
What YFZ yarns are you refering to? Hyperbole with no substance.
Contrary to your accusation, a previous poster correctly noted that Doran didn't take the lead(10:22). And then, why not? It's his county. Hiding behind Ranger Long does not absolve him of his considerable guilt for the things he did do, and the many things he failed to do.
What YFZ yarns are you refering to? Hyperbole with no substance.
Contrary to your accusation, a previous poster correctly noted that Doran didn't take the lead(10:22). And then, why not? It's his county. Hiding behind Ranger Long does not absolve him of his considerable guilt for the things he did do, and the many things he failed to do.
Good.. | 7:00 a.m. July 1, 2008
I am glad to see that the socialistic framework of CPS is finally realized. I
hope they go broke and think twice before they think to tell someone else how to
raise their children.
All based on a hoax call.. wow! It's just too much...
All based on a hoax call.. wow! It's just too much...
zxcvbnm | 7:11 a.m. July 1, 2008
Read the description of the initial "visit" of Voss to the ranch.
Armed with the first warrant signed by long Voss and three others went into the ranch at ten pm.
They began the "interviews" after the normal bedtime of the children. Imagine the confusion as 139 mothers wakeing 400 chilren for an interview.
The FLDS even put out coffee pots and Voss stated that she was up for 28 hours to conduct the "interviews.
The second warrant signed by long was based on observations made by those CPS persons that gained access with the first warrant.
Another interview with Voss mentioned 12 persons entering the ranch.....and the men waiting in cars at the gate.
Four tired CPS women with little sleep saw pregnant teens that turned out to be grown women.
The "confusion" surrounding the interview seems normal.
All the coffee in the world only keeps a sleepy and tired person awake......perhaps thats why a 37 year old becomes 17.
Four persons trying to organize a search for two imaginary Sarahs amongst 400 children isn't easy under the best of conditions.
Grandpa Phil | 8:52 a.m. July 1, 2008
zxcvbnm, I don't care how tired they were; there is still no excuse for
what they did to those children. Maybe during those 28 hours the mothers
didn't cooperate as CPS wanted them to; if I was them, I'd have been
VERY hesitant about giving them anything. CPS folk are reknown for having all
the subtlety of a train wreck. And that's on a good day. I am sure those
"interviews" were more accusatory than information gathering. SO, CPS
determined that the FLDS were not cooperating and decided to take all of their
children away. Yeah, that'll SHOW 'em.
SO, who are the real crooks here, CPS or FLDS? In retrospect, it turned out to be CPS. Now, it's time to pay the Piper. Remember, if you don't pay the Piper, he comes and takes all of your children away. Now, THAT is poetic.
SO, who are the real crooks here, CPS or FLDS? In retrospect, it turned out to be CPS. Now, it's time to pay the Piper. Remember, if you don't pay the Piper, he comes and takes all of your children away. Now, THAT is poetic.
zxcvbnm | 9:28 a.m. July 1, 2008
Hey Gramps....I'm not trying to make excuses for CPS, just trying to put things in perspective using the Voss desciption of the events.
I believe the confusion was the responsibility of CPS. Voss was responsible for the timing and decisions made during the event.
Nighttime raids and arrests are a norm for law enforcement, they cause the most confusion for the subjects of the arrest. Disorientation is the aim of law enforcement and they take advantage of the confusion.
In this case the confusion was caused by CPS but it backfired.......much like everything else.
Grandpa Phil | 9:51 a.m. July 1, 2008
Voss is the one who testified during the hearing that they could not seriously
consider returning the children to their mothers until they renounced their
religion. It sure wasn't about child abuse for her, was it?
zxcvbnm | 1:22 p.m. July 1, 2008
Gramps......perhaps Voss was replaced or removed from her public spokesman duties after the "renounce their religion comment". CPS really started to lose credibility after she made that comment.
Peter H | 11:41 p.m. July 5, 2008
I thought anyone not familar with Jewish law might find this interesting.
The Talmud recommends that a boy marry at 18 or between 16 and 24 years of age.
However to marry a boy must be at least 13 years of age and a girl 12. Despite these age requirements the kiddushin may take place before then.
Now since I am tired someone tell me what kiddushin means
The Talmud recommends that a boy marry at 18 or between 16 and 24 years of age.
However to marry a boy must be at least 13 years of age and a girl 12. Despite these age requirements the kiddushin may take place before then.
Now since I am tired someone tell me what kiddushin means
Fighter | 6:16 a.m. July 9, 2008
I am glad the world finally sees what CPS can be capable of. people fall victim
to them all the time loose their children and in some cases never get them back,
just not on such a large level. it is hard to watch this esp. when you have
been a victim yourself. you are accused of dangering your child and even though
the allegation are found to be false you asked to jump through hoops becuase it
might have happened. i hope the world wakes up and sees what happens to
everyday people on a daily basis.
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It would be extremely interesting to see just how much of the $69,000 was paid out to those exflds members for their part in the raid. Can the Desert news get a breakdown of the ex-members and their expenses from the county thru the freedom of information act?
Dates of involvement of the ex-flds would be very interesting to see.
When did those helpful souls charge their first steak to the Taxpayers of Texas.
Lets see if Elisa was spending her UEP windfall to help the women and children as she said she would.......same for Flora and her foundation.
Lets follow the money..........