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Sean | 10:03 a.m. June 19, 2008

While it may take 3-5 years to get oils shale production to the market, it's positive immediate impact will be to subdue the wild expectations of market speculators and stabilize crude oil prices now.

Jack from Ark | 10:25 a.m. June 19, 2008

Several years ago oil from either Tar sands or Shale was about 35 to 40 dollars per barrel. The Canadian oil being processed at UTAH refineries is from Tar sands. It seams to me that if the tar sands in Canada that have to be thawed out before they can be processed can produce a barrel of oil for 30 dollars we should be able to do it for that or less just in savings we could get from energy reduction and lower transport costs. Tar sands are really a great resource because they will produce a usable grade of crude and as a by-product there is massive amounts of heat produced for co generated power either to be used in the production process or put into the grid for use by Utahans that could produce abundant amounts of cheap power. The other by product is lots and lots of asphalt covered sand that would make the roads much better also. I don't know about oil shale but Tar sands seems to be win win all around.

Brother Chuck Schroeder | 10:26 a.m. June 19, 2008

All we have to do is say: "Four dollar gasoline, $4.50 gasoline, $135 per barrel of oil, supply and demand." Everybody knows that we are not bringing up as much as we have and if we brought more of our own up, the very people that are demanding energy independence are standing in the way of it. It's easy to understand. Case has been made. This is the time, just like it was during the illegal immigration debate, for elected officials in Washington to hear from you about what you think. We already have the Gallup showing 67% of the American people want to start drilling. Last night, the brilliant Barack Obama said there is no way offshore drilling will lower prices right now. The Democrat Party is digging in and they are going to oppose this. They're going to oppose energy independence; they're going to oppose advancing technology.They're going to oppose the economic growth of the country. They're going to oppose your prosperity. They're going to oppose all of that by standing in the way of this. Now, let's take this statement made by Obama: No way offshore drilling will lower prices right now.

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JBL | 10:42 a.m. June 19, 2008

Way to go Cannon! As a state delegate, I've heard Cannon talk about the need to develop oil shale for years. It's nice to see that Cannon's actually proposed legisltion to do that - and that the President listens!

oswald | 10:48 a.m. June 19, 2008

If we cut out the lawsuits that environmental groups bring EVERY TIME the oil companies try to drill a new well (This is no overstatement; It's pretty much every time.) we could probably cut down on these long wait times everyone is worried about.

oc ron | 10:49 a.m. June 19, 2008

Has anyone checked out Alberta lately? The Canucks have caught the vision and are legally extracting billions of oil from the shale at a huge profit. That's why Alberta has no sales tax, no income tax, and a $25 billion dollar rainy day fund. They are getting filthly rich off us stupid Americans to the tune of $405,000,000 per day. Alberta is shipping 3,000,000 barrels of that shale oil at $135 per barrel. You do the math? And, the environment is left pristine. Drill, drill here, drill now.

Humptydumpty | 10:54 a.m. June 19, 2008

I agree with Ridgerunner. GWB is a good man regardless of the false things said about him. Everything wrong in your life cannot and is not his fault. People need to try some inward looking.

I would more easily be able to read these comments if the name calling was considerably less. I don't even read them when they are full of name calling and I am not alone. If you want to get your point listened to, try behaving a little less ugly.

RE: Ridgerunner | 11:08 a.m. June 19, 2008

"GWB has been a great president in my opinion. He is right about energy (including this issue). He is right about terrorism. He is right about tax cuts. He is right about same sex marriage. He is right about the second amendment. He right about activist judges in our judicial system. He is a good and decent man who did an impossible job. I hope someday I can thank him personally, shake his hand and look him in the eye. His critics have not been honest in their criticisms."

Nicely Said. Thank you for your bit of sanity in an insane country. Keep up the good work!

Tragedy | 11:14 a.m. June 19, 2008

About a week ago, I was standing in line at a Chevron station in Ogden and a 20 - 25 year old woman came back into the store from her car which was parked at one of the pumps. (There was a 4 - 5 year old boy still sitting in the car.)

The lady handed the clerk two dollars she had in her wallet along with one of the store's plastic grocery sacks full of loose change. She had gone out to her car and collected all the loose change she could find. She handed all this to the clerk with the statement that that was all the money she had.

It broke my heart. When she went out to the gas pump she had put $2.58 worth of gas into her car. I asked if she would do me a favor by letting her buy her a tank full of gas. She was at first embarrassed and then started to cry. She was so grateful. She said it was 2 days to payday and she didn't know what she would have done. She wouldn't have been able to drive to work.

rich | 11:37 a.m. June 19, 2008

Shale oil is not the answer. When are the Conservative nut-jobs out there going to realize that we need a different energy solutions.

Show me a Conservative and I will show you an uneducated person who basis their life on fairy tales and doing whatever he/she is told by some local religious "authority".

We need to put oil behind us and start using one of the many energy alternatives that the Noe-Conservatives like Mr. Bush keep from the public, so they can financially benefit.

A true patriot would realize that someone who sells out the country for money is an enemy to the state, not a friend.
Some of you have and will call me unpatriotic, well you need to learn what that term means, I love this country so much that I am willing to do what is in the State's best interest, not Big Oil.

Anonymous | 11:38 a.m. June 19, 2008

There is not enough water in the west to process the oil shell. This is only Neo-Con political spin.

misanthropic libertarian | 11:40 a.m. June 19, 2008

Eugene is right, somewhat. Speculators are driving up the price. This would not be possible if the commodities market were not deregulated.

The Commodities modernization act of 2000 which McCain voted for are responsible for gas prices & Enron.

However, the US energy policy has been fouled up since the oil embargo of the 70's. Both major parties are to blame! Ironically, Saudi Arabia & Kuwait realize the current situation may eventually end their gravy train & are starting to pump more.

The worst part about the price of oil is that as it goes up Iran's bleak economy (worse than ours) gets better; it only emboldens the clerics, mullahs, & Ahmadinejad.

OIL IN UTAH | 11:46 a.m. June 19, 2008

My family owns the oil rights to hundreds of acres in eastern Utah . . . from what we have been told, there are rivers of oil beneath us! Why have we not been drilling!!!!!!!!

woswald | 11:49 a.m. June 19, 2008

Woswald, you are lying; the Uintah Basin has been relentlessly drilled under the Bush Administration, and the vast majority of them have elicited nary a peep from SUWA, for instance. And BG Merrell, if I recall correctly, there have been some "irregularities" involved with your supposed process, that have been considered newsworthy. I suggest that a creative blogger will discover what I am referring to.
The age of cheap oil is over. The "drain America first" crowd is trying to entice Americans, already panicky, with non-existent resources or others that are fraught with serious downsides. These downsides to our water, soil, and air, are being ignored in our unseemly fear. Get a grip, America, take reasoned thought, and don't do things heedlessly in a climate of fear.

Devil's Advocate | 11:50 a.m. June 19, 2008

If shale oil is so much cheaper, why is Canada charging $135 per barrel? Could it be to make money? Do you think any private corporation in their right mind would sell product for well below the market value to be a 'good guy'? What makes you think that just because shale production might be 'cheaper' that it would be sold cheaper?

Wake up! This is a capitalist country, baby!

Silly Environmentalists | 12:07 p.m. June 19, 2008

Go Bush, get the oil here in Utah, along our coasts, and wherever else. Time will prove it was worth it both economically and environmentally. We ingrate Americans will then give the credit to the current President, but at least you will have done what was right for the American people despite the idiot minority. It's time to listen to the majority.

The good Earth and everything on it is here for man's use; its capacity to replenish itself has proven more viable then false perceptions that we are capable of destroying this renewable source; it has and will sustain life beyond our capacity to comprehend its nature. Silly environmentalists unwittingly are killing off life as we know it a whole lot faster than anything that is being done to the Earth itself.

Steve - Re: Michaelh | 12:06 p.m. June 19, 2008

Do you or anyone else reading this really think that after 8 years of Bush, with ever growing dislike for him on a national and global scale, that we'll still have a Republican president come January 2009? Don't count on it. I really don't see McCain pulling off a win, this is Obama's campaign to lose. Something fairly drastic is going to have to happen to keep Obama from winning.

Get used to saying these words: "President Obama".

I've never voted for anyone but a Republican before, I'm a registered Republican, but in November I'm going to cross party lines for the first time ever (and most likely my only time) and vote for Obama.

Obama seems to have a stronger desire for seeking alternative fuel/power sources (but that's not my main reason for supporting him... I like the whole package).

Steve - Use What We've Got Now | 12:15 p.m. June 19, 2008

From what I understand, the oil companies have large areas of land they own which is going unused. How about using the land areas already being drilled to their fullest potential (put in more drills in those areas) before we start sprouting up drills in new areas?

Than if we really must (years down the road), go for getting oil from the shale, then from offshore... then as a very last resort Alaska. But hopefully before we get to the point of using Alaska fields we will have found alternative fuel/power sources and made them successful... thus having no need to go oil drilling there.

Shale solution | 12:17 p.m. June 19, 2008

I personally know an entrepreneur in Utah who developed an economically viable process of extracting oil from shale. This process was completed over 5 years ago. However, while looking for a buyer of the technology his life was put in jeopardy with threats and bullying from many foreign companies. He also found a huge lack of support from Federal Gov't officials. It will be interesting to see how the situation may change now.

Drill now | 12:21 p.m. June 19, 2008

Oil shale extraction is very easy, the technology is perfected, it is cheap because it uses no power and no water and is environmentally safe. It is ready for us to begin full scale production now. It is the cure and the magic bullet. Wave your flag and stand tall! Invest, and invest now! Invest all you have and reap the harvest you deserve!

CRM | 12:22 p.m. June 19, 2008

Years ago my dad owned a ranch on the White River South of Vernal near the Book-Cliffs. A cowboy/farmer neighbor who had been in the area decades before us had made an old retort kiln and was distilling his own fuel(I hesitate to call it gas but he did run is equipment off from it). He used the oil rich shale as fuel, yes it was conbustible, and heated a quanity of oil shale and drip distilled the product right on site. He didn't use a drop of water in the process and I doubt that he asked the environmentalists their opinions or poured through the govenoring regulations on the subject. Necessity and ingenuity motivated him. Of course we have the technology, I expect the problem is mass production/refining.

To Devil's Advocate: | 12:33 p.m. June 19, 2008

I think that he meant that oil shale is cheaper to produce than the $135 price a barrel of crude is currently selling for, making oil shale viable to produce. By the way, Canada isn't charging for the oil, the commodities market is where daily prices for things like oil and food are bought, sold, and traded and therefore prices set. Like you said, the companies that produce oil could sell their oil for cheaper than what it is going for on the open market, but why would they do that? However, putting more oil on the market can at least help to stabilize prices or even bring them down if enough oil is dumped onto the open market. Not putting any new oil on the market is a sure recipe for helping prices to climb higher into the far future. We need a sensible energy policy that combines conservation, alternative energies, and increaed oil production in the near term with the goal of eventually eliminating the need for oil to generate energy. Both Democrats and Republicans are responsible because of their "my way or the highway" attitudes concerning energy policy, and America continues to suffer.

Northern Star | 12:41 p.m. June 19, 2008

The economic impact of Alberta's oilsands (located above Montana) has brought dramatic prosperity despite recession elsewhere in North America. Utah can do the same with it's economy. Alberta's (state) GDP in 1995 was US$ 65 Billion but 12 years later it is virtually US$ 300 Billion & rising. Both Alberta & Utah have similar populations (3.4 million to 2.6 million) but Alberta has 3 times the GDP of Utah's $ 100 billion GSP, thanks in part to the long range vision of the oilsands in Northern Alberta. Don't let the negative people pull you down - prosperity is yours to have. Go Utah!

Idaho | 12:50 p.m. June 19, 2008

To B. G. Merrell, Tell Andy hello for me. He explained the process to Karen and I last year. He also said it was sold to Australia. Forget it, you will never convince the Liberal coolaid drinkers on here that Shale oil is a viable source of energy because they worship the holy father, Gore, Savior of there enviromental religion.The dems have been so successful in spreading the hate. Remember, If you disagree with a liberal its "hate speech." Thats cuz they are so much smarter that the rest of us.

wrz | 12:57 p.m. June 19, 2008

The Market | 6:19 a.m.
"If you increase supply I lower my price. If you decrease demand I lower my price. If you do both then I accelerate the rate at which I lower my price."

You're forgetting that oil is controlled basically, by OPEC, a monopoly. The rules of supply and demand go out the window in this situation. OPEC will keep the supply at a level where they can optimize profits, which is generally higher.

Burnt Bacon | 1:00 p.m. June 19, 2008

Yesterday John McCain said in passing that the US had 21 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. We use 21 million barrels per day. Do the math. That's 1000 days supply if you could pump it that fast which you can't. 1000 days is 2.8 years. Is energy independence a realistic possibility, at least in the short time?

I just finished reading " America in Danger, what you must know to protect yourself" by Stephen M. Studdert. Everyone should read this book!!! He is understating some of the facts. Our oil and Financial situations are much worse, but coming from
a person on the "right" it gives you a good idea how much trouble we are in.

We need a new "Manhatten" project. We need leadership that understands how bad a situation we are in and the courage to lead us to a new "paradigm". Our world has changed. The old one is not coming back. Your future depends on how serious you become about digging us out of the hole we are in. If all you can see is your need for $1 gasoline, we are doomed!

Himself | 1:08 p.m. June 19, 2008

You can strip all the oil shale you want, turn
Utah into a gigantic Kennecott pit. Drill offshore and make Malibu look like North Salt Lake.

But you will never get cheap gas again, it is dead and gone forever. That's what the majority here is going to have to deal with, the party's over. And if you can't pay you walk, and if you can't walk you are screwed.

Your comments and votes mean nothing from this point on, geology has failed you.

M. Allred | 1:13 p.m. June 19, 2008

Sheesh....rich | 11:37 a.m., and Anonymous | 11:38 a.m., how can I be motivated to consider your words when they are laid down with emotional cynicism?

I agree with Humptydumpty | 10:54 a.m.

Both the conservatives and the liberals should tone down the emotionally charged language and be adults. Many posts on this topic, as on many others, read like childish e-mails spewing from a divorcing and feuding couple.

If you call someone a neo-con, be prepared to be called a neo-lib. If you call someone a whacked out lib, be prepared to be called a whacked out conservative.

Smart people will figure this out, meaning the engineers. More fuel efficeint cars, trucks and SUVs. Give the engineer credit. Alternative fuels, yes. I am OK with that. But, we can drill clean, safe and green, both in-land and off-short; this is the 21st century. We can build safe nuclear power plants. That is proven.

The energy spent on spitting out hateful labels should be channeled on workable solutions.

Anonymous | 1:25 p.m. June 19, 2008

12:33 makes some excellent points--of course I understand basic economic principles. I realize that increased production would lead to the lowering of cost, I don't think anyone disputes that.

What we need to keep in mind is the innovation that is driven by necessity. As long as we're comfortable, what motivation is there to change the status quo? It is important on many levels to resolve our energy crisis: for the environment, economy, and our independence from foreign sources.

As individuals, we need to do our part now to conserve energy..Waste not, want not.

What are we whining about? Gas costs over $10 per gallon in Europe!

Devil's Advocate | 1:25 p.m. June 19, 2008

Forgot my 'name' on my last post!

slappy | 2:19 p.m. June 19, 2008

As far Hydrogen goes, the History channel International had a show on the history of Carbon.

There was a professor of Chemical Engineering @ Michigan St. He is working on getting Hydrogen from Algae and says we are 10 to 15 yrs away from a Hydrogen economy.

Maybe, there is enough light sweet crude to last that long. Until then, we should work on converting our infastructre to be Hydrogen compatible. Where, though, would we get the funds? Perhaps, that giant monetary black hole known as Iraq would be a good place to start.

To Himself | 2:38 p.m. June 19, 2008

Not so fast....

"You will never get cheap gas again, it is dead and gone forever."

Google "Oil does not come from dinosaurs."

Also, take a look at Shell Oil's new oil shale extraction methods.

Read, be informed.

Drill now. Drill Here. Pay Less.

Sarah | 2:45 p.m. June 19, 2008

I'm so glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this could be a good idea. Like another poster said, look at Alberta. They're doing it, and they're thriving. It may not be a long term solution, but it'll bring the gas prices down while we get a long term solution in place (some of the more "green friendly" types of energy production).

Facts About the Oil Shale | 3:09 p.m. June 19, 2008

If following are true, I think anyone who oppose the development of OIL SHALE should be SHOUT UP!

1, "The last estimates I encountered were between $45-$55 per barrel and that included the energy costs for extraction"

2, "Shell Oil has developed new technology that allows them to superheat the oil while it's still in the earth and then pump it up. Thereby not using 'enormous coal fired plants and huge amounts of water', and they are piloting this process in Colorado now"

3, "Much of the gasoline we put in our tanks here in Utah comes from the Canadian tar sands"

4, "I have produced oil from oil shale without using a drop of water, in fact we produced water. As for needing coal fired power plants,wrong, we generate all the energy needed plus that much in excess, when sold on the grid will pay all mining costs. We burned the spent shale (fixed carbon) and obtain enough heat for power generation. Polutants, none that are not sequestered on site.

Problem: We tired of the slowness of congress to release land, so we sold the technology to Australia. Congress should wake up occasionally."

D Black | 3:10 p.m. June 19, 2008

There seems to be a lot of disinformation out there with Shale to oil. In the technology of the 80ï¿½s, which was the last time we seriously considered oil from shale extraction, the costs of enery and use of water were very high. The new technologyï¿½and there are a half dozen different onesï¿½brew the shale undergound, use a lot of the heat to power the process and use far less water than used before. The cost is very low (under $40 per barrel). The problem is the cost of the plants (billions) and the leasing and regulation. You can lease the land for extraction for eight years, but it takes 7 years of regulations to start refining. Who is going to commit billions to that? The red tape needs to be cleared. This is a viable resource to use. The real supply and demand effects will not take place for years, but the futures market will reflect an immediate drop in prices.

David | 3:15 p.m. June 19, 2008

Ridgerrunner. I love it. You're right. The media has so distorted Bush and his presidency that people feel like they have to say something bad about Bush or they're not with it. He's done a great job. The good news is he's not a politician. He's a leader. And he's been a darn good one. I think history books, as long as they're not written by the UEA or CNN, will recognize his contribution to bringin freedom to the Middle East. Well done, George.

St. George | 3:18 p.m. June 19, 2008

suzyk | 9:21 a.m. June 19, 2008

WHAT TYPE OF MEDICATION ARE YOU ON?

HAVE YOU BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE CIA?

JZ | 3:24 p.m. June 19, 2008

I think some of you guys are mis-using the term neocon... at least the definition I am aware of lol

No single energy source is going to be an instant solution - right now at this point in time it will take all of them. Nuclear, crude oil, oil shale, and renewable.

I wholeheartedly want renewable energy sources for everything - but I am a realist... that is just not feasible right now. It will take decades to get them fully developed and adopted into practice.

I'm not an expert, but I've done enough research that I don't believe producing oil from shale is as environmentally disastrous as some lead us to believe. they are researching methods to cook the shale underground to convert it into crude oil... one method is using radio waves, or cooking it chemically, or injecting electrically charged petroleum coke. These methods would seem to produce very little pollution and use very little water.

and long before we run out of shale, we'll have the alternate sources in use.

Jerry | 3:39 p.m. June 19, 2008

Only in Utah would this kind of crab be common! if Bush says it Utahns believe it even though all he does is speak lies!
He took a 3 trillion surplus and quickly ran that into over 3 trillion in debt!
As for China drilling Florida oil. They own over 60% of America. Bush has sold us to them! I guess they figure that is part of their 60%!

Liberal lost in Morman town | 3:44 p.m. June 19, 2008

Speculators and investment banks can game the energy trading markets, using loopholes in commodities law to drive up the cost of energy and reap record profitsï¿½ at the expense of American families and small businesses!

One of the biggest factors in high oil prices, according to many experts, is that investors, such as hedge funds and investment bankers, can use loopholes in commodities law to manipulate the market and drive crude oil, heating oil, gasoline and diesel fuel prices to new heights.

Congress is aware of the problem and lawmakers recently passed legislation to address the ï¿½Enron Loophole,ï¿½ one of the major loopholes that opens the door to abusive trading practices, but the law didnï¿½t go far enough.

Unfortunately, other loopholes exist that allow energy trading on completely ï¿½darkï¿½ exchanges. For example, the ï¿½Foreign Markets Loopholeï¿½ allows American energy commodities to be traded overseas ï¿½ exempt from U.S. oversight.

We need to get King George and Grand Oil Party outof offices, Get officials who will represent the American Constitution and give the country back to the citizens.
Made in America by Americans for Americans!

Who's to blame? | 4:12 p.m. June 19, 2008

Easy to point fingers isn't it? Republicans, Democrats? I have a news flash for the both parties. I have become so sickened by you! For the first time ever I'm throwing my support behind a third party because my conscience cannot support it.

One thing I know for certain is that we are to dependent on foreign oil. We need to start doing something here and we need to start doing it now! America is figuratively in a hangmans noose and our own politicians (republican and democrat alike) have put us there.

To Jerry: | 4:31 p.m. June 19, 2008

So 9/11 is all president Bush's fault? I don't care who was in office, the 1 trillion plus economic impact of 9/11 is not debatable. I agree that Republican's spent money like it was going out of style, but surplus revenue only happens in great economic times and over a course of history, those times don't last long no matter who is in the White House; and Democrats are also to blame for the last few years in allowing the President to spend all that money. I agree with Who's to Blame. I'm sick of both parties and we need real change: a third party who puts America first.

awesomeron | 5:12 p.m. June 19, 2008

We need to Develop what ever it is we have to Develop, wherever the resource is at. Anti Development of Resources that make us less Dependent on Foreign Governments that do Not like us and Do Not Like Jesus. We can only remain the #1 Nation on the Earth, if we Develop the Resources that we have. If we are not #1 we can kiss our personal and even our Religious Freedom Good Bye. To many people hate us for what we have, to include some Americans, while at the same time being willing Parasites. The more we are Dependent on other Countries the less Freedom we have. I suggest we Annex Mexico they want to be in the United States anyway. Lots of Oil, Gas and other stuff. Oil Leases are being Sold to Governments that are not friendly to America. Gas is $2.69 a Gallon in Mexico, and .15 Cents in Venezuela. Neither Country has much tolerance for Environmentalist. South Korea has No Min Wage. North Koreans try to escape into China for a better life. They also provide China with cheap labor. When they are caught and returned to North Korea, the North Koreans Shoot Them.

Re: St George | 5:47 p.m. June 19, 2008

Oil based economy? Of course it is! What country doesn't have an oil based economy? What country doesn't depend on oil? We have to have oil! What planet are you living on? The same one Obama is on, aparently.

Comparison - | 6:10 p.m. June 19, 2008

You can recover about 4,000 barrels a day from oil-sands and over 100,000 barrels a day from a well beiing drilled off the north face of ANWR. Gee, which would you choose? If we are going to be independent of other petroleum nations, then we have to be SERIOUS about oil recovery.

Re: Please think | 6:15 p.m. June 19, 2008

I enjoyed your comments. I would ask you only two question. What party controls congress and what party has voted down every proposal to increase energy supply and lower prices? We all know the answers and those are the REAL questions, aren't they?

Re: Tragedy | 6:25 p.m. June 19, 2008

Not to embarrass you, but I think you are a great person for doing what you did! We need more people like you in this world! Thank you for your Christlike action.

sbc | 12:09 a.m. June 20, 2008

Oh you people that are trying to blame the price of oil on the current administration. I live in Arizona and have a neighbor that works in the copper mines in Globe, AZ. Luckily for him, his employee # is in the low 20's and didn't lose his job when the price was around $.70 lb($.82 lb was the break even price). Today the price is $3.77 lb. Why? China is a big reason. Now, I recently watched a program on the history of the BYU Young Ambassadors in China. They had members from the 1979 group with the 2007 tour. One big difference they noticed was the absence of bikes and the number of vehicles. As with the price of copper, China drastically affect the price of oil. Oh, and who has been in charge of The House and Senate while the price has shot up to record prices? Sat..., oh, I mean the libs?????

sbc | 12:22 a.m. June 20, 2008

Does anyone remember the article posted in the Deseret News on June 2, 2006? Here is a quote from that article:

"A company says it can produce oil from shale mined from Utah within two or three years, at a cost of about $40 per barrel,..."

I see people stating we are five years away and saying it is not all that economical.

Imagine | 12:43 a.m. June 20, 2008

Imagine there are no liberals

It is easy if you try

Imagine all the people, living as they should

You may say I am a dreamer, but I am not the only one.

I hope someday you will join us, in the brotherhood of man.

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