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LDS help sandbag in Nauvoo
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Brad Leeser | 7:37 a.m. June 18, 2008
Just to set the record straight, Joseph Smith did not ever live in the Nauvoo
House. It was under construction when he was murdered. Joseph first lived in
the Homestead and later the Mansion House, both next to the Nauvoo House.
Ed H | 8:05 a.m. June 18, 2008
Whoa, how about those Mormons? I know some Nazareens that live there and are
also involved in saving their town. In fact, I think many religions are
represented by people doing heroic acts trying to stave off the floods. Why not
name them all if we are going to make saving a community a religious event?
Wouldn't this article be more appropriate if it were posted in the Church
News?
ED H | 9:09 a.m. June 18, 2008
Mellow out
Comments continue below
Adam | 9:30 a.m. June 18, 2008
Read the byline, Ed H:
"Church News staff writer"
The Deseret News publishes the Church News; this is an article from it.
"Church News staff writer"
The Deseret News publishes the Church News; this is an article from it.
Hey now | 9:32 a.m. June 18, 2008
I believe this story is of interest to those who are likly to read this paper.
If the Lutheran girls gun club from St. Paul had helped shore up a levee in a
site of historical interest to Lutherans, then I think it would be resonable to
see the article in a Minnesota newspaper without some whining ED to complain
that they didn't-mention-every-other-single-person-involved.
Dave U | 9:59 a.m. June 18, 2008
Why is it that there is always an Ed out there to taint a good thing. Jealousy
is a horrible thing.
Sarah | 10:23 a.m. June 18, 2008
I had checked the Keokuk and Quincy papers yesterday for updates on Nauvoo and
the surrounding areas. They didn't have any information. I appreciate
Deseret New's coverage.
I'm the anti-ED | 10:33 a.m. June 18, 2008
Looks like the "Anti's" are out in force today trying to slam the
DesNews and anything good done by the Lord's Church. So I'm joining
in as an "anti".
Yes I am anti-ED. Good report DesNews. Thank you for keeping us informed.
Yes I am anti-ED. Good report DesNews. Thank you for keeping us informed.
Deseret News slammers | 11:03 a.m. June 18, 2008
You do know this is an LDS owned newspaper right? You do know that the majority
of people who buy and/or go online to read are either LDS Utahns and/or LDS
members around the world? You do know that this is the only place we can read
about what is happening to members or our Church, or what members of our Church
are doing, good or bad? You do realize that many of us welcome this kind of
news?
Do you also know that you can go online and get the Salt Lake Tribune for more 'balanced' news? You can even go and find the New York Times, or many other national newsapers if you wish.
Please don't start your day off so badly by reading the Deseret News and getting aggravated, angry or feeling any other negative emotion, and then turning around and trying to get a rise out of others by insulting or demeaning them.
Please don't log on to this site if you don't like what you read!
Do you also know that you can go online and get the Salt Lake Tribune for more 'balanced' news? You can even go and find the New York Times, or many other national newsapers if you wish.
Please don't start your day off so badly by reading the Deseret News and getting aggravated, angry or feeling any other negative emotion, and then turning around and trying to get a rise out of others by insulting or demeaning them.
Please don't log on to this site if you don't like what you read!
To Ed | 11:23 a.m. June 18, 2008
To the AP writers covering all the terrible flooding in the Midwest, Nauvoo is
just another very small and relatively insignificant town along the Mississippi.
So when we go to national news sources, we may not find it mentioned, although
we find lots of news about other, larger cities. We even occassionally find
mention of groups who are helping out. And I think we are all concerned about
how this crisis will be met. We care, and we want to know. Should I be unhappy
that the Des Moines papers mentions the Iowa National Guard?
BUT, for those of us with Nauvoo roots, the DesNews is about the only place that will carry news for us.
Why complain because YOU aren't interested or object to others knowing that LDS volunteers are involved? Those of us who ARE interested in Nauvoo do want to know what is being done.
BUT, for those of us with Nauvoo roots, the DesNews is about the only place that will carry news for us.
Why complain because YOU aren't interested or object to others knowing that LDS volunteers are involved? Those of us who ARE interested in Nauvoo do want to know what is being done.
From Ed H to the Anti-Ed | 11:37 a.m. June 18, 2008
Sorry, I didn't understand that we were speaking about the
"Lord's Church". Now I get it. By the way, I'm not
anti-anything religious. They all do good and they all worship the same God
(just from a different perspective). I think that was my point in my first
post. Who's skin is thin?
To Ed H | 12:07 p.m. June 18, 2008
Quite frankly, your skin is. The manner in which you tried to make your point in
your first post makes that clear, and your attack in your second post cements
the fact. There is one newspaper in the world that reports LDS news
consistently, and thousands of newspapers that do not. That you continue to read
DesNews, and then make derogatory comments intended to incite, is evidence that
you are not interested in anything more than an opportunity to make the chip on
your shoulder glaringly bright. My heart aches for all the people whose lives
and livelihoods are being threatened by the flooding, all along the river. I am
grateful to know that when the leaders in a community are at a loss for what to
do, that LDS and other religious people set aside personal concerns and
differences to pitch in and do the back-breaking labor that makes a difference.
Perhaps you might want to investigate the beauties that such cooperativeness can
reveal?
Emlee | 12:24 p.m. June 18, 2008
We lived in Nauvoo for some time. MY husband and many others went to help Niota
in 2001 when they desperately needed sandbaggers because of threat of flooding.
I did not see his name or any other names of the mostly senior citizens who
helped then.
I had looked all over for news of the last few days,and found none until a niece in Texas sent the post on e=mail from the Deseret News. None of the people I know who were helping were doing any "converting" as you call it. They were working like crazy with all the energy they could muster in their old age!Please tell us Ed, were you out there filling sandbags???Maybe not because your skin is too thin.You might hurt your hands.
I appreciated the Deseret News report. I am concerned for all the residents along the River. I love the people of Quincy.
I had looked all over for news of the last few days,and found none until a niece in Texas sent the post on e=mail from the Deseret News. None of the people I know who were helping were doing any "converting" as you call it. They were working like crazy with all the energy they could muster in their old age!Please tell us Ed, were you out there filling sandbags???Maybe not because your skin is too thin.You might hurt your hands.
I appreciated the Deseret News report. I am concerned for all the residents along the River. I love the people of Quincy.
John Lambert | 12:45 p.m. June 18, 2008
Ed H,
no one is making you read the article. Some of us appreciate these things. We wish you would take your hate and attacks elsewhere.
no one is making you read the article. Some of us appreciate these things. We wish you would take your hate and attacks elsewhere.
Horsing around | 1:38 p.m. June 18, 2008
A horse is a horse, of course. And no one can talk to a horse of course. That
is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr ED.
mytwocents | 1:47 p.m. June 18, 2008
I am not Mormon. But the LDS Church is in integral part of 19th Century Amercian
history. Doctrine is not being discussed here, as it often is. What is being
discussed is the treasure trove of history of a people with a uniquely American
past. As a Catholic, I know that the LDS Church helped generously with the
restoration of the Cathedral de Madeleine in SLC. I think it is so sad that
anyone would think this article is about anything but concern over possible loss
of the Mormon Faith's great Landmark's. If the Vatican were being
flooded, I have no doubt the LDS in Rome would be on the scene helping save St.
Peter's. The DN is the only paper following this story closely. If I were
concerned about St. Peter's, I would read Cathoic publications for the
"inside story". Allow Mormons the same privilege with the DN.
Let Trolls Be | 2:25 p.m. June 18, 2008
Everyone--you and I know there are anti-Mormon trolls who love creating
controversy on these boards. I don't know if Rich and Ed are really among
these, or if they're simply unaware that that's how they come across.
But we need not reply in anger to every post we see as offensive--and we should
not.
It's a well-known anti-Mormon tactic to try to draw Mormons into an argument so that they'll lose their tempers--which makes the anti-Mormon argument all the more credible that Mormons are neither Christian nor Christlike. Remember, wrestling a pig in the mud only gets you both dirty.
It's better to show people what we REALLY believe, not in WHAT we say but HOW we say it. "Defending the faith" is best done in patience, kindness, and Christian charity.
It's also best done by working alongside other Christian believers in the Nauvoo area--Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, etc.--in preserving EVERYONE'S communities from these floods.
Faith needs to be put into action--not just words. The time we spend squabbling cuts into our time for helping and serving others.
It's a well-known anti-Mormon tactic to try to draw Mormons into an argument so that they'll lose their tempers--which makes the anti-Mormon argument all the more credible that Mormons are neither Christian nor Christlike. Remember, wrestling a pig in the mud only gets you both dirty.
It's better to show people what we REALLY believe, not in WHAT we say but HOW we say it. "Defending the faith" is best done in patience, kindness, and Christian charity.
It's also best done by working alongside other Christian believers in the Nauvoo area--Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, etc.--in preserving EVERYONE'S communities from these floods.
Faith needs to be put into action--not just words. The time we spend squabbling cuts into our time for helping and serving others.
Lorin Ripley | 2:28 p.m. June 18, 2008
I have been scanning the news for updates on Nauvoo. I spent three summers in
the Nauvoo House while I was working on the archaeological project which was
sponsored by the Joseph Smith Historical Properties in the early '80s.
Thank you for your update.
Re: mytwocents | | 2:37 p.m. June 18, 2008
Thank you for your kind words And I totally agree, we can appreciate and help
each other.
Sad day | 2:42 p.m. June 18, 2008
I have also been looking for information on how Nauvoo is fairing and I was
happy to read this article. There is so much to be worried about lately with
gas prices, war, floods and on and on that it makes me very sad to read the way
people talk to each other. I guess I should know better by now that to read the
comments posted.
Contradiction | 2:44 p.m. June 18, 2008
Well you are as bad as any nonmembers by calling someone a "TROLL". I
have read you before on these blogs and If someone doesn't meet your odd
standard than they get called a name. It really doesn't matter if they are
a member or a nonmember. I feel sad for you.
At least there are those who are good and are helping in the flood rather member or nonmember. Kindness always works.
At least there are those who are good and are helping in the flood rather member or nonmember. Kindness always works.
gator girl | 2:46 p.m. June 18, 2008
Thank you very much, mytwocents, for your comments on the subject. We needed
that.
Mark | 2:46 p.m. June 18, 2008
Thank you. Great counsel!
Yeah, Ed | 3:30 p.m. June 18, 2008
I agree with other posters. This is a church owned paper and as such I
appreciate the articles. Sometimes I think they get sugar coated a bit, but for
the most part, I enjoy them. IF you don't just don't log onto it, and
find an alternative to read.
I think that's great that there are so many people sandbagging no matter what their religion. I visited Nauvoo and didn't want to leave. Not because of the Mormon history, nor because I'm a mormon, but it was just so clean, pleasant, and just peaceful. There was no litter, it was quiet, trees everywhere, green, and you just felt peaceful there. Did you know alot of the businesses and homes there are actually owned by non-mormons? And there are actually people living in the homes -- I had no idea. Still it had a peaceful, laid back feeling, and it would be a shame for the river to encroach and ruin anything there.
I think that's great that there are so many people sandbagging no matter what their religion. I visited Nauvoo and didn't want to leave. Not because of the Mormon history, nor because I'm a mormon, but it was just so clean, pleasant, and just peaceful. There was no litter, it was quiet, trees everywhere, green, and you just felt peaceful there. Did you know alot of the businesses and homes there are actually owned by non-mormons? And there are actually people living in the homes -- I had no idea. Still it had a peaceful, laid back feeling, and it would be a shame for the river to encroach and ruin anything there.
Libbie | 3:33 p.m. June 18, 2008
Thank you, Mytwocents, it couldn't have been said better.
To: mytwocents | 3:47 p.m. June 18, 2008
Thank you! You read the local newspaper to find out what is happening within
your community, and with the people and places which are important to many in
this area. There have been many articles in the DN which highlight good
happenings, people, etc. from faiths other than the LDS church. I remember
reading some very good articles about the new Catholic Bishop (who came from the
San Francisco area, which is where I live). When I lived in Salt Lake City, I
often visited the Cathedral, because it is a very beautiful place of worship.
The LDS church has helped several different congregations or denominations in
the Valley, and indeed, throughout the world. It has also worked with Catholic
Charities in doing humanitarian work, as well as with a Muslim organization,
among others.
I tried to find out through other sources what is happening to Nauvoo, and this was the only place I found any information. Anytime pieces of history are lost, it is a loss to all. What is happening to the people and communities in that entire flooded part of the country is just awful, and we hope that good people of all faiths are helping.
I tried to find out through other sources what is happening to Nauvoo, and this was the only place I found any information. Anytime pieces of history are lost, it is a loss to all. What is happening to the people and communities in that entire flooded part of the country is just awful, and we hope that good people of all faiths are helping.
Anonymous | 4:50 p.m. June 18, 2008
Bravo for helping - we all care about the people and the area. Marilyn, BYU
Jim | 5:07 p.m. June 18, 2008
This has nothing to do with religon, except people living their religon,
irrespective of what denomination that they might be. It is good to see people
helping each other out. As someone once said, I would rather see a sermon than
hear one.
Well done to all of those volunteers, no matter who they might be.
Well done to all of those volunteers, no matter who they might be.
Trying to find info | 5:25 p.m. June 18, 2008
I tried to find out about the flood in Illinois and Iowa and couldn't find
it anywhere but in Deseret News. Thanks DN for covering a much visited part of
the US. I read all of the article and comments, I didn't see where anyone
was trying to do anything but help. I lived in that region of the US for a
while and I am happy to find a way to learn what is happening, it is too bad
that some people are so busy trying to find fault with others. If I were
anywhere close I am sure I would volunteer to help in anyway I could. By the
way maybe Ed and Rich should ask themselves why the town of Niota and the Church
of Christ would ask for help from the LDS, could it be because they can be
counted on?
Oh yeah! | 5:28 p.m. June 18, 2008
Most of you people on here all act like 2 year olds. Too bad you guys have to
pull the arms and legs off of each others toys.
The Caravan Moves On! | 5:49 p.m. June 18, 2008
To my LDS brothers and sisters,
Let us all act with kindness and patience. Mr. "My 2 Cents" is one of millions of non-LDS people who see what kind of people we are.
Talk is cheap but actions speak volumes.
Having said this, I've been to Nauvoo twice. My family and I stayed in a tiny, family-run hotel right on the main drag in town. I bet it's been there for over 100 years. It was soooo nice to open the doors to the balcony overlooking the main street and hear.....nothing! I think there was one car that we heard in probably an hour. I really hope that Nauvoo doesn't lose that "small town American" feeling.
Glad to hear that our church and others will work hand in hand to protect what is worthy of being cherished.
Let us all act with kindness and patience. Mr. "My 2 Cents" is one of millions of non-LDS people who see what kind of people we are.
Talk is cheap but actions speak volumes.
Having said this, I've been to Nauvoo twice. My family and I stayed in a tiny, family-run hotel right on the main drag in town. I bet it's been there for over 100 years. It was soooo nice to open the doors to the balcony overlooking the main street and hear.....nothing! I think there was one car that we heard in probably an hour. I really hope that Nauvoo doesn't lose that "small town American" feeling.
Glad to hear that our church and others will work hand in hand to protect what is worthy of being cherished.
Nauvoo The Beautiful | 5:54 p.m. June 18, 2008
To- The Caravan moves on. Tell this to the Troll, and all the ED H. bashers on
here.
Enough is enough! I just pray that Nauvoo will be saved by all these good people who are working so hard together. God bless them all.
Enough is enough! I just pray that Nauvoo will be saved by all these good people who are working so hard together. God bless them all.
Anonymous | 6:27 p.m. June 18, 2008
I would think that human loss and suffering would trump all but I guess my
common sense is just a little off. You must feel really really proud of
yourselves for saving property. Now please let me know when something
significant is accomplished and maybe I'll pat you on the back since you
sure seen to enjoy recognition for accomplishments, however irrelevent they are.
To mytwocents | 6:35 p.m. June 18, 2008
Thank you! Always refreshing to find someone not LDS who would rather be civil
than participate in the sort of "trolling" that's all too often
found in discussions of religion here.
I too hope that LDS/non-LDS people work together to preserve this historical and religious treasure of our legacy of frontier America.
I too hope that LDS/non-LDS people work together to preserve this historical and religious treasure of our legacy of frontier America.
Anonymous | 6:41 p.m. June 18, 2008
I can see why you chose that name to hide behind. You are so negative. Have you
ever been to Nauvoo? It's a beautiful place. So is everywhere else
I've been back east. I agree with the poster who said we have to preserve
history. Granted it's LDS History, so I'm sure that's why
you're ranting.
This story has nothing to do with human loss and suffering. It is a story showing how people work together. I'm sure no one has ignored any place they could help out, this just happens to be a story about Nauvoo and shoring up for the flood. There have been other stories about sandbagging in different areas, also. I'm sure people are saddened by the loss of lives and property as well.
GET A GRIP!!
This story has nothing to do with human loss and suffering. It is a story showing how people work together. I'm sure no one has ignored any place they could help out, this just happens to be a story about Nauvoo and shoring up for the flood. There have been other stories about sandbagging in different areas, also. I'm sure people are saddened by the loss of lives and property as well.
GET A GRIP!!
Meg | 7:02 p.m. June 18, 2008
I am so proud of our brothers and sisters who are helping in this effort. The
Latter-day Saints are certainly the reason this flood has not been worse than it
is. Keep it up we are all proud of you back home and the effort you are putting
in.
Nora | 7:11 p.m. June 18, 2008
LDS to the rescue again. I can't believe people complain! No one else steps
up like the church and its members and when we do all people do is complain. I
am proud of these volunteers and sadened that the rest of society does not
contribute it's equal share.
Diane | 7:12 p.m. June 18, 2008
I just returned a few weeks ago from a tour of the last days of Joseph Smith. I
saw so many old and beautiful towns in Missouri, Iowa, and Illinois. I learned
so much about the people and land. I have been waiting to hear on the local and
national news stations about Nauvoo and its surrounding towns. How great it is
when we as the children of God of all faiths can work together for a common
cause. I can picture the missionaries and the members of the Community of Christ
church and others in these towns working together trying to save Nauvoo and all
those others in these states of different faiths working side by side. Too bad
it takes a tragedy to force this upon us. I know if there were a tragedy in my
town I would have not problem helping out my neighbors no matter what religion
they are. And I would not complain about it...My prayers are with all those
suffering in this disaster.
jack l | 7:33 p.m. June 18, 2008
Reporting on the Mormons or another church and being proud about them and what
they do is no different than routing for your favorite football or baseball
team.
If you don�t like the game put your sports uniform and play ball by going out there and create your own news article and submit it to the Deseret News. You would be surprised what they will print!
Wasting time on arguing about it gets nothing done.
I am proud of all those, regardless of religion, for the work they have done.
If you don�t like the game put your sports uniform and play ball by going out there and create your own news article and submit it to the Deseret News. You would be surprised what they will print!
Wasting time on arguing about it gets nothing done.
I am proud of all those, regardless of religion, for the work they have done.
weezer | 7:47 p.m. June 18, 2008
Wow, What bunch of hypocrites on this blog! Get life people! and stop growling
at everyone. Why don't you guys get a jet plane ticket back to Nauvoo, and
get yourselves back there, and do some helping instead of yelping!!
Joxcer | 7:53 p.m. June 18, 2008
I'm praying that all those who've lost their homes and jobs will be
able to rebuild and that those who will soon be looking at flood waters will
have some good Missionary to hand them a few sand bags!
I know service is what we can do to help for now, this is going to take years to heal from.
For those of us with dry land, I suggest planting some extra rows in the garden- thing are looking grim for the price of produce.
I know service is what we can do to help for now, this is going to take years to heal from.
For those of us with dry land, I suggest planting some extra rows in the garden- thing are looking grim for the price of produce.
Yep! | 8:07 p.m. June 18, 2008
The end is near.
Anonymous | 8:28 p.m. June 18, 2008
I was happy to hear that Nauvoo is being watched over by some great volunteers.
Thanks for preserving its history. I love Nauvoo; it is one of my very favorite
places on the earth. I pray that the people back there whatever faith they are
will be protected and everyone will work together for a common cause.
metamoracoug | 8:35 p.m. June 18, 2008
As a denizen of central Illinois (though on vacation in Connecticut), I was
delighted to be able to read this article in the Deseret News. Thanks for an
opportunity to get a small insight into the bigger picture of the on-going
flooding!
Be Grateful | 8:38 p.m. June 18, 2008
The people on this post need to be put on antidepressants. Perhaps then they
will express gratitude for those volunteers who are working hard to preserving
this historical place from disaster.
Realist | 8:48 p.m. June 18, 2008
I am proud of my brothers and sisters and your negative commets do not bother
me. Once you step up and help then you can complain. Until then the LDS are
doing far more and any other group and I would just call it being spiteful with
your comments. The LDS have stepped up to the challenge; how about you, your
group or your religion! I think not!
Investigator | 9:04 p.m. June 18, 2008
I am not LDS and I am not from Utah, and I am fully aware that the Deseret News
is owned by the LDS church and will report on any subject if it is related to
the LDS church.
That is why I come here. To find out more about the LDS church. I only wish that I had found them about 30 years ago. My life would have been much better.
If I wanted to learn about the Catholics I would read one of there newspapers.
I will continue reading the DesNews and hope that they keep printing stories about the LDS.
That is why I come here. To find out more about the LDS church. I only wish that I had found them about 30 years ago. My life would have been much better.
If I wanted to learn about the Catholics I would read one of there newspapers.
I will continue reading the DesNews and hope that they keep printing stories about the LDS.
Washington State | 9:58 p.m. June 18, 2008
The issue is not about who owns the Deseret News, but what news is interesting
to the people who read the Deseret News. Lots of people who read this paper and
view the website are LDS and concerned about the Nauvoo area.
I think it is as simple as that
I think it is as simple as that
Disbelief | 12:23 a.m. June 19, 2008
For the record, people. This newspaper is owned by the LDS Church. Like it or
not, it is going to contain LDS articles about LDS people doing good, Christian
things. But don't you fret, if you didnt know, there is another paper here
in salt lake city, its called the Tribune.
spinner | 12:55 a.m. June 19, 2008
I'm glad that so many people are pitching in, and it's good to hear
that these sites look like they will be spared. I also feel really bad for the
people living in the Warsaw river bottoms about 20 miles downstream, where about
30,000 acres of farmland were flooded yesterday (and in all the other areas
devested in the last weeks). I grew up in that school district, and I know that
a lot of old friends must have lost a lot in the last few days. I know
it's the DN's job act as cheerleader for all of the good things the
church does, but this self-congratulatory piece seems a little insensitive to me
at the moment.
I'm glad that they've let us know that the sites are all safe, but I could have done with a little less of the "Mormons save the day!" attitude considering how, outside of the Nauvoo historic district, ALOT of people's homes and livelihoods have been washed away.
I'm glad that they've let us know that the sites are all safe, but I could have done with a little less of the "Mormons save the day!" attitude considering how, outside of the Nauvoo historic district, ALOT of people's homes and livelihoods have been washed away.
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