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Beware of FLDS enforcers, Texas told
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I think this fear of the FLDS enforcers is a myth(just like many of the myths and fears we insist on holding onto about the FLDS). Just like the myths that caused Texas to over-react and go into the Ranch with tanks and swat teams (even thought they faced NO armed resistance) for what could have been a simple child abuse report investigation.
You've got to be kidding. The FLDS track down their own people who try to leave their cult.
Don't think for a minute that the FLDS men haven't been planning a lawsuit since the day CPS came to their front gate.
Were you hoping your criticism of their efforts would cause them to let down their guard?
Anything I've heard Bill Medvecky say was wise and I agreed with him so what's your problem?
To: caution--beware
You must be one of them then, keep your lies to yourself and leave decent people alone. Are you looking out for space aliens who traveled all the way across our galaxy, just to peer in your window?
Get a clue!
-mowed lawn
-took kids to soccer game
-went hiking
-washed car
-watched a baseball game -- on TV!!!
Texans may stand up against child abuse--so do most all of us. But many, many Texans stand up for the Constitution, too. And some of them are Baptists! I don't know why the Baptist church allowed their buses to be used--I think it was a mistake on their part--but that's no reason to tar everybody with the same brush.
Yeah, right. He was trying to put a hex on them with his evil eye.
And I'd be among the first to encourage it. Their rights were severely violated. They deserve justice and compensation.
I am not saying that there has been violence, but there are plenty of people who have so called freed themselves from YFZ who paint quite a different story than what the people of YFZ are trying to paint.
My issue with the Warren Jeffs culture is that fact that this group does very little but live off of the taxes that the rest of us americans provide. They do very little to support themselves. Point in case the amount of food stamps used by this group. If they have legitimate businesses and contracts then where is the money to support those who need the support. Why is it Jeffs is driving around in 50K + vehicles and yet each week more taxes are used to support their group with food.
Because future generations would start to look like Clark Gable, John Wayne, Gary Cooper, Kerry Grant, or Elvis Presley.
You got that right... like a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Texas and the CPS for violation of human rights.
may I humbly suggest you look into the mirror.
I suppose,that you and those like you will not be content, until Texas conducts a lovely raid, this time, with a fiery conclusion.
When you attend church, please remember the one about,those without sin may cast the first stone.
I guess the FLDS will mix the nonexistant ashes from the nonexistant crematorium with the untreated waste from the cheese factory and serve Walther a drink that will agrivate her lactose intolerance.
Or is the intolerance just a civil rights intolerance....or religious intolerance.
Perhaps they can feed one of the 21 year old "lost boys" an explosive mix of honey and fresh vegtables and let him "escape" into the police station and poison the place with intestinal gas.
Oh I got it.......the FLDS will get on their knees and pray for justice and tolerance from the Texas authorities.....the same revenge they heaped on the guys with the tank as they broke down the temple door.
The only thing that tracks down the people who leave our society is their testimony, they have a God given knowledge of the truth and they have knowingly turned away from it. The only thing the FLDS has done to them was prayed God to bless them. Pretty dangerous huh?
What is that amount?
If they have legitimate businesses and contracts then where is the money to support those who need the support.
What FLDS members have gone without "support"?
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You little twinky! My brother lives at the YFZ and he pulls 72 hour shifts. They work extremely hard to be self-sufficient and they DO NOT rely on welfare or foodstamps, keep your frump to yourself. It's your problem if it makes you upset that people take wasteland out in the boonies and turn it into a beautiful thriving community. You need to get a clue!
"My issue with the Warren Jeffs culture is that fact that this group does very little but live off of the taxes that the rest of us americans provide. They do very little to support themselves. Point in case the amount of food stamps used by this group. If they have legitimate businesses and contracts then where is the money to support those who need the support. Why is it Jeffs is driving around in 50K + vehicles and yet each week more taxes are used to support their group with food."
We've been following this thing for months and the state of Texas has stated that the FLDS in Texas do not use welfare or take food stamps. They are also the largest single taxpayer in their county. What you claim may have happened in Utah, but it has NEVER happened in the Texas FLDS group. There are some elderly that have social security and some disabled that have the same benefits as you and I. Get your facts straight please and stop amplifying false rumors. This is what CPS has been doing the whole time.
I have personal knowledge that that is a lie. The FLDS do a lot more than simply pray for people, especially girls and mothers, who have left their community.
Why aren't they more fiscally responsible? Why should tax payers have to pay for their food, while they take whatever money they earn and build huge buildings and buy big cars for the leaders?
Why don't they give the women and children freedom to come and go if they want to..or to visit relatives?
Why don't they educate their children past middle school?
Why do they take the girls and little boys out to work on road projects? Is it because they have run off all the older boys?
Why do they follow the wives who have escaped and try to get the children back never to see their mom again?
Why do they reassign women and children to other men?
Why do they dip lower and lower into the pool of brides until they are marrying 12 year olds? (Hopefully they will actually stop this practice)
If they can't support extra wives and children, they shouldn't take on more than they can handle. It's really immoral to expect someone else to pay their way.
or up here in Utah, they're all the same.
A bunch of crazy cultists.
What must concern us all the most is how contrived the dossier information is and that such trivial information is being brandied about so menacingly by our public servants.
I think the State of Texas and Utah need a solid house cleaning of their public servants (as we do in D.C.).
The hypocrisy is that they have multiple wives they take care of, but I know of a "baby momma" who has 2 kids by a breeder. He has 10 kids by 7 females and has married none of them. He does not support them financially (the Texas taxpayer does) or is not there for them as a father. They all live with their single moms.
How about the FLDS just shacking up with and not marrying these women. Would that be any different? That seems to be an accepted policy in America now.
As for all of you out there, I'm sorry, but all this time I thought I was thinking my own thoughts. I'm so glad you could open my eyes and let me know I was "Brainwashed"
WOW!!!! I feel better already.... Now could you please explain what I'm suppose to think.... I don't know ... I can't use my own thoughts. I probable can't feel my own feelings... Wow!!!! I don't feel the freedom I did a few minutes ago...HELP!
You're supposed to teach your children that they have the right to make their own choices in life:
-who they want to be
-who they want to marry
-what education they want
-what occupation they want
-where they want to live
And they operate a little slave-center, denying most of their followers basic rights and freedoms. How could any of you actually trust them?
If so, where are the arrests and siezures of kids?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
The women and kids that I know that have left were intimidated, and threatened.
Texas was wrong but these folks are not innocent and pure by any means.
The FLDS deserve to be defended by a legal firm.
But lets not put our collective heads in the sand and look the other way.
I thought Willie the thug was a pretty funny tag, and from what I have seen of him, it fits.
He is no Leroy Johnson.
This case is so huge, that it affects people outside the FLDS. Even if the FLDS were not threatening, there could still be crazies who relate to this case who could be threatening.
Barack Obama who is merely running for U.S. President and hasn't done anything like separating parents and children had to ask for Secret Service coverage early in his campaign because of threats to his life.
So, it makes sense to provide the judge with protection.
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