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Beware of FLDS enforcers, Texas told

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Willie | 8:21 a.m. June 11, 2008
R.S. I agree with you. The 48 hours program showed Willie Jessop or the Thug's body language which was really disturbing and threatening.
Lucy | 8:20 a.m. June 11, 2008
Even if there is no threat from the FLDS, there may be those who would harm Judge Walther just to fan the flames of predjudice against the FLDS. It never hurts to be cautious.
I agree | 8:23 a.m. June 11, 2008
I agree with kg! I think this is irresponsible journalism--not at all what I expect to see in the DN!
There is no evidence at all that the FLDS as a group have ever been violent.
Ron Lafferty was NOT FLDS, neither was Ervil Lebaron.
But I have been waiting for some crazy to take advantage of this situation to pull some stunt and blame it on the FLDS, who are vulnerable because of the media frenzy built up against them during Texas CPS illegal actions, which CPS had to find a way to justify.
And, no, I am not FLDS.
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James J | 8:39 a.m. June 11, 2008
Hmm, I look at this case and reflect on what happened to my people in the 1800�s. We were polygamists and because of that belief we were hated, scorned, beat, raped, killed. I can�t believe in America that we would be so judgmental. We should be called the land of the free, home of the brave, and place where if you have different religious views, then your kids will be taken from you without due process. As far as the judge goes, I believe there was once an ancient civilization that fell, and one of the reasons was the judges turned corrupt. Seems like we are going down the same path. One last thing, if ADULTS want to have more than one wife, or more than one husband, why should that be against the law??? Why should we say anything about it.
Anonymous | 8:43 a.m. June 11, 2008
The FLDS are a bunch of wackos. Utah has something not to be proud of.
Grandpa Phil | 8:50 a.m. June 11, 2008
I would think that, if the FLDS were EVER inclined to commit violence, it would have been when their children were taken away NOT after they have been returned. This is just more war-mongering rhetoric on the part of the Texas authorites to redirect attention from their own lawlessness. Leave the FLDS alone and stop the persecution. Get on with the criminal investigation and let it go where it may. I am inclined to believe it will follow in the tracks of the child abuse allegations - peter out to nothing. The FLDS are not big enough of fanatical enough to spawn Dannite concerns. I think that a lot of people were actually disappointed that the FLDS did not respond violently which would have justified the extent of the force used against them. That disappointment is now causing them to look for bad guys in every shadow. Personally, I think that if there were any malicious stares or looks in the courtroom, they originated from the bench. Judge Walthers is a threat to herself - look for her to implode when all the facts are known.
Ray | 8:49 a.m. June 11, 2008
When the only weapon found at the ranch was a bow and arrow, what's the basis for concern? In west Texas every pickup has a gun-rack in the back window! Oh, not the FLDS pickups, but no worry, Judge Walters has never let the facts stand in her way.
Lawyers | 8:58 a.m. June 11, 2008
They really need info on the herd of lawyers that will be suing everyone in Texas. That will be the real "hit" squad.

Rolling my eyes | 9:02 a.m. June 11, 2008
I can't believe the chutzpah of the authorities in this case. "Willie the Thug"? Come on.

This is merely a ploy by the establishment to garner sympathy for Judge Walther, no different than our own AG's claims that the FLDS said mean things about him in a sermon once.

It's part of an effort to get people to forget that Judge Walther grossly abused her authority and initiated one of the biggest child protection fiascoes in US history.

All because the Texas CPS was willing to accept the lurid tales of bitter former polygamists and ignore the evidence.
The Height of Paranoia | 9:15 a.m. June 11, 2008
Yesterday upon the stair..
I met a man who wasn't there..
He wasn't there again today..
Oh I wish that man would go away..
Reply to Not a polyg | 9:18 a.m. June 11, 2008
Who are the 12? You must not be aquainted with FLDS since they don't have an organized 12. Looks like you need a little more education as well, like English and spelling. I would suggest some education before you start spouting on the blog sites.
Laying Low | 9:18 a.m. June 11, 2008
"If there were going to be violence, it would have occurred when CPS was tearing families apart."

Not necessarily. The FLDS enforcers could have been laying low so as not to give Texas any more justification for keeping the kids.

Now that the kids are back, a little retribution wouldn't be out of the question, especially if it serves notice on the some of the FLDS, who might be wavering, on what they can expect if they don't toe the party line.
Gray Wolf | 9:21 a.m. June 11, 2008
Deseret News:
The heightened security was ordered after authorities from Utah and Arizona warned them to be on the lookout for FLDS "enforcers," the Deseret News has learned.

Something is really wacky for the DI to publish this story, even if it is true. Are you now a "lackey" for law enforcement, or just can't resist stirring the pot?

The newspaper publishing business is hurting, so perhaps anything is justified to keep readership up for the advertisers.

Well, DI, how did you learn the information? I bet it's confidential.

beware of FLDS | 9:24 a.m. June 11, 2008
I have known some FLDS. I don't think the authorities should back off for one minute on investigating FLDS cultists. They are not what they appear. I think Willy Jessop is one of their ring leaders and as well a very evil man just like the rest. Most of these hateful posts come from FLDS.
New SUVs | 9:27 a.m. June 11, 2008
Willie and the boys are probably out shopping the new line of SUVs so they'll know which one to buy when their raid windfall profits start to roll in from all of the lawsuits they plan on winning.

Of course, the women and children won't see a penny of the money.

Most of the FLDS are good, decent, law-abiding (except for polygamy) people.

But not all.
beware | 9:31 a.m. June 11, 2008
Utah has a rich history of religious fanatics, they know what they are looking at from experience. Looking from Texas, we see many in Utah that are very suspicious and you better stay right where you are. Don't come to Texas!
Rick | 9:32 a.m. June 11, 2008
To: thinkdeeper | 6:29 a.m. June 11, 2008

I agree.
Patricia | 9:34 a.m. June 11, 2008
Pull your heads out of the sand, people! I simply cannot believe the comments I read on this page. Anyone who knows anyone who's ever been in the FLDS or has ever been around there (or has even seen a documentary on tv or read a book) knows about the trucks that follow outsiders in and out of the community and the intimidation tactics used by the FLDS to keep their women in line and keep them from leaving. Why do you think they had a guard tower built at the YFZ ranch?? To protect their garden from jackrabbits?? Whether you think this judge was right or wrong in her decisions, she absolutely has reason for protection from some of these people based on their history. And, if I were her, circumstantial evidence would be quite enough for me to want to protect myself and my family. Religious fanaticism is at the heart of much violence in this world and those of you that would say this judge deserves some sort of revenge--SHAME ON YOU! And those of you who think the FLDS are not religious fanatics with extremist beliefs, GET A CLUE!
Brillo | 9:44 a.m. June 11, 2008
Seems like the real question here (which no one seems to be asking) is: Who exactly are the "Utah and Colorado authorities" who started this? I'm getting really tired of anonymous informers.
spiritree | 9:46 a.m. June 11, 2008
More of the 'smear' effort to justify the actions of texas officials against a community of citizens. Where is the proof? If there are those who are gunning for this judge, I use the honorable term loosely in her case, why are you warning them? Paranoid is not the word here, they are trying to cover there behinds and limit law suits that are coming. Why to the people of Texas tolerated this miss use of there officials and the excessive misuse of tax payers money. Shame on Texas!
Not all | 9:51 a.m. June 11, 2008
Not all of any of us are good, decent, law-abiding people. Unfortunately.
Texan | 9:52 a.m. June 11, 2008
I have lived in Texas all of my life and I resent the fact that all of Texas is being made fun of--I and my family had nothing to do with the raid on the ranch so please quit generalizing and be more specific. Thank You
Raymond Takashi Swenson | 9:54 a.m. June 11, 2008
It is certainly appropriate to give Judge Walther security protection. Millions of Americans hate her for her high-handed actions in violation of statute and the 14th Amendment. She could be targeted by a wacko like Timothy McVeigh who has nothing to do with the FLDS people but looks for ways to violently express an amorphous rage against perceived government oppression.

On the other hand, a news-gathering organization like the DMN should have the research capability to actually identify any violent crimes committed by FLDS people in the dossier. The fact that none of the people whose names are used in this story are actually associated with a specific charge of criminal violence, let alone a conviction, makes the entire story questionable. Making accusations of potential criminal action by people who have never been charged or convicted, who have not themselves actually uttered a threat, and who are not for other reasons public figures, may open the DMN to litigation for defamation of character. If I were Mr. Cannon, I would have removed the names from this piece unless there was specific evidence of specific threats or violent behavior, not subjective "he looked at me funny" assertions by the prejudiced.
WashCo | 9:58 a.m. June 11, 2008
Those of you that don't believe that danger for the judge is possible don't live around these folks. Remember Ervil Lebaron?, the same thought processes are still there. The goon squads are still there. Ask some of the "lost boys" if there is danger. Ask some of the women who have managed to escape if there is danger. You bet she needs protection.
Turnaround... | 10:01 a.m. June 11, 2008
...is fair play.

Stupid | 10:10 a.m. June 11, 2008
This is so stupid. The judge is more likely at risk from a psyco NOT FLDS, then from one of them. LAME!
I'm so scared | 10:16 a.m. June 11, 2008
This is getting out of control. There is absolutely NO evidence that Judge Walther is in any danger and the moment the FLDS realized that a non-FLDS owned site had posted her home address and phone number they asked the owner of the site remove it.

They have had ample opportunities for violence but have not resorted to it. Let's not forget the Utah officials who convicted Warren Jeffs? Who has been killed by the FLDS for the arrest and conviction of their leader? NO ONE!

I guess the staring contest at Jeff's trial where Jessop gave that threatening "look" didn't amount to action since we haven't received any news that the Judge, jury, prosecutor or arresting officers have been harmed. When was Jeffs convicted? It was in September of last year and it has been almost 9 months since the conviction.

They didn't react violently to that conviction nor did they react violently when the police showed up at the YMZ Ranch, nor did they react violently when their children were taken by CPS workers, and they didn't react violently when the Judge ruled against them instead THEY REGISTER TO VOTE. That's really scary!
due dilegence | 10:18 a.m. June 11, 2008
Texas should do it's due dilegence in investagating the dribble. We don't want threats and intimidation that have been propagated in times past to continue.

Research this and you will find it true.
Grandpa Phil | 10:24 a.m. June 11, 2008
"I'm so scared" has made the best point yet. Well done.
They are making things up | 10:29 a.m. June 11, 2008
Raymond Takashi Swenson,

"Making accusations of potential criminal action by people who have never been charged or convicted, who have not themselves actually uttered a threat, and who are not for other reasons public figures, may open the DMN to litigation for defamation of character."

They could always use the defense that they are reporting a story about the persons in questions but laws against defamation of character protect private individuals from having any defamatory statements printed about them.

"If I were Mr. Cannon, I would have removed the names from this piece unless there was specific evidence of specific threats or violent behavior, not subjective "he looked at me funny" assertions by the prejudiced."

There's no evidence of any violent behavior and such assertions are false. It has been 9 months since they claimed that Willie Jessop looked at them funny yet no one has been harmed. If they haven't killed any one in the 9 months since Jeff's conviction I doubt they are planning it anytime soon.

The only thing that the FLDS have done in Texas since the Supreme Court ruling that's threatening is REGISTERING TO VOTE.
Smear tactics | 10:46 a.m. June 11, 2008
More smear tactics from the FLDS to build public sympathy for their windfall profits lawsuits.
Anonymous | 10:48 a.m. June 11, 2008
I suggest that if you don't personally know any followers of polygamy, you should not be posting your comments about what they are or are not capable of. Female polygamists are brainwashed by the males and they are afraid of them. They are so brainwashed that if a family decides to leave the "group", the ones leaving can't allow their children to visit with family members still remaining with the "group" for fear that they will never have their children returned to them or, even see them again. Those of you who post that the FLDS are not to be feared, 1) don't know any of them, 2) are posting just to be controversial, or 3) are sympathizers with them and want to boast of your sympathy. People who intentionally break the law and choose to flaunt it are to be feared. No religion has the right to expect its membership to break the law intentionally. It's not a religion, it is a cult.
Re: RTS | 10:53 a.m. June 11, 2008
You obviously don't understand defamation. The DN can not be sued for simply publishing information contained in a public record.

Authorities don't have to wait until actual violence occurs before for they do something to prevent it. Only people with extreme stupidity and incompetance would wait until after the fact before they considered the possibility.
LMAO | 11:13 a.m. June 11, 2008
Ok ok, it says Deseret news. But just have to check again, cuz it sounds like The Onion.com, Des news should do articles like this more often I needed the Laugh.
COSMO | 11:22 a.m. June 11, 2008
DMN, why are you afraid of logical comment?
I will be brief. Texas is setting the stage, for a
"Waco style Bar B Que", of the FLDS. They are not going to let the issue go.
R | 11:43 a.m. June 11, 2008
//People who intentionally break the law and choose to flaunt it are to be feared.//

Hmm... I've broken multiple laws in my time. And yet no-one I know is afraid of me. Not all laws are created equal. Should I be afraid of people who are lax about seatbelts? People who smoke marijuana from time to time? People who download movies and music? People who leave graffiti?

//More smear tactics from the FLDS to build public sympathy for their windfall profits lawsuits. //

Who's smearing whom? Who have the FLDS smeared and what was the smear?
Get a life and one wife | 12:01 p.m. June 11, 2008
Re: Anonymous well for your information, I know some FLDS and you folks are not what you try to make people believe you are. YOU ARE LIARS! And you are full of BS!
well... | 12:11 p.m. June 11, 2008
....isn't this lovely. Such a nice loving community, so picked on because their child abuse has come to light. Nevermind the fact that Warren Jeffs has been ripping kids from families for years before the raid.

And to all of the FLDS supporters, can any of you PLEASE explain why Merrill Jessop is in hiding??? If he's so great and this community has done nothing wrong, what does he have to hide?
John Lambert | 12:12 p.m. June 11, 2008
Actually Hitler, or at least Himler, wanted to institute polygamy. They did have their project where "aryan" soldiers were bread with good "aryan" young-women to bring forth a master race. The state then raised these children.
Obvious | 12:12 p.m. June 11, 2008
I find it hard to believe there's so much support for the FLDS identified enforcers. The FLDS followers support the rape of minor girls by so-called "marriages". The bottom line is that it's rape and only rape. A minor girl does not have the legal ability to consent, especially 15 year olds and younger. Rape is an act of violence and if they're capable violence against a minor girl, they're capable of violence against an adult. Since none of you were in the courtrooms where they were banned and have obvioulsy never seen the reports, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Get real.
John Lambert | 12:17 p.m. June 11, 2008
To me,
And obviosly the Holocaust was the Jews fault and since they were killed in such numbers we have to worry about them being violent.
If you do not see I am being sarcastic, then I am telling you I am. That is the type of rubbish the people who bring up the LeBarons are spouting.
I am suprised I have not yet seen people griping about Jeffs and the killing of the dogs. However if you do, you ignore the fact that Jeffs is not an animal rights activists and does not see the death of a dog as morally equivalent to the death of a person.
justice | 12:17 p.m. June 11, 2008
The wicked flee when no man persueth.
betty | 12:18 p.m. June 11, 2008
i am one of those wicked baptists who dance, ha ha, we will be praying for the safety of the judge who tried to free the enslaved women and protect the precious children.
the polys must not be working much now, they seem to spend all their time spewing hatred over the internet.
Please Read | 12:20 p.m. June 11, 2008
"UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN" is a must read for the majority of the ones on this blog."GODS BROTHEL" is another one,especially if you are under the imression that the young women have a choice.Please,don't believe all the garbage that the anti-CPS and anti-Texas, people are spouting off.
BBQ | 12:22 p.m. June 11, 2008
"Texas is setting the stage, for a "Waco style Bar B Que", of the FLDS."

Since Texas wasn't responsible for WACO, most of the FLDS having nothing to fear.

On the other hand, the child-abusing FLDS men, you know who you are, should be very concerned about the accomodations in the Texas correctional facilities.
The "authorities" are scary | 12:23 p.m. June 11, 2008
I'd worry a lot more about the Texas Rangers and CPS than about the harmless FLDS. What happened at the ranch in April? The heavily armed Texas Rangers and other cops, with an ARMORED CAR, crashed thru the gates, smashed their way into the FLDS Temple and terrified men, women and children. Rounded the children and many of the women up, loaded them onto First Baptist Church buses and hauled them off to the Baptist Church. And what did the "dangerous" FLDS men do? They knelt around the outside of the Temple and prayed. Yes, they are certainly a bloodthirsty, killer bunch alright!

Shurtleff, Utah and Texas authorities are proven liars. Everything they say and do is highly suspect and not just concerning the FLDS. Shurtleff should go to jail for his recent escapades. The FLDS need to file multi-million dollar lawsuits against all of them, that will shut them up. Much of this crap is coming from Flora and Carolyn Jessop, liars who are looking to make money from book sales.
re:Mark | 12:24 p.m. June 11, 2008
That is being very,very "Jr.Highish" it does not make you sound cute or smart only STUPID STUPID !!!!!
Jackson | 12:26 p.m. June 11, 2008
The judge is in serious danger. She has received death threats and the governor's house has already been burned by an arsonist.

She does need protection, not from the FLDS, but from the general public.

The problem for the state of Texas is that they can't admit this without also admitting that their and her actions have generally pissed people off.

So they pretend that they are protecting her from the FLDS.

This is a perfect example of why government officials should not violate the rights of the citizens. Not because it is wrong, but because it is DANEROUS.
mensem | 12:32 p.m. June 11, 2008
No proof, no crime- except the slander campaigne by the state of Texas. Wow, if FLDS was ever inclined to just let by gones be by gones and not sue Texas for disregarding the constitution and ripping their families apart, those chances are gone! It's sad, but the only way to fix Texas (an entity and not a person) is to sue them.
Clarence | 12:37 p.m. June 11, 2008
To: Laying Low | 9:18 a.m. June 11, 2008
"The FLDS enforcers could have been laying low so as not to give Texas any more justification for keeping the kids."

I really loved your post. It reminds me of all the heinous crimes you are waiting to commit when the time is right.

You really should be incarcerated before you start harming innocent people. Or at the very least the public should be warned about you before it's too late.

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