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one more time! | 7:35 p.m. June 4, 2008
As far as next year goes, I think the Jazz have a better chance of winning at
all with Sloan than with another coach - any coach that they could get.
I say give this team and Sloan another run, and go from there - and I'm glad Larry did.
I say give this team and Sloan another run, and go from there - and I'm glad Larry did.
NY_JAZZ-FAN | 7:38 p.m. June 4, 2008
I am so happy to see the future Hall of Fame coach (Jerry Sloan) come back for
another year. Congrats to the coach and most of all the JAZZ organization. I
believe we are a man or two away of winning it all. For the folks that are not
happy of his return, I am sorry for you. Maybe, you would like to chear for the
Knicks. They have a new coach now.
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magnus | 8:10 p.m. June 4, 2008
Sorry, the Pathetic bandwagoners comment was out of line...but I stand by the
rest of it.
ron | 8:33 p.m. June 4, 2008
tired.. I am so tired of you rambling on and on about sloan. why don't you
take a break until next season starts? The real problem is not sloan. the big
name players will not come to play in utah because of utah. not because of
sloan. If he was coaching in any other venue he would win it all many times
over. right now if he could get one big center that could play both offense and
defense he could win it all. take a break and cool your jets. and we would all
feel better.
Anonymous | 8:35 p.m. June 4, 2008
For all the stupid Sloan haters: who do you suggest will WANT to come to Utah
and will be able to get a title??? Just curious, you guys seem to know so much
more than the Jazz organization..... So you guys tell me
Moron | 8:50 p.m. June 4, 2008
I know I am a complete moron for suggesting that I am happy that Jerry Sloan
will be back for another year. After all is said and done, who else would be a
better selection to continue the tradition of Coaching an NBA Team into
under-acheiving and then come back year after year for twenty years with full
support from the owner, than Coach Sloan?
Go JAZZ!!! | 9:04 p.m. June 4, 2008
We are very lucky to have a coach like Jerry Sloan. Year in and year out, you
can always expect the Jazz to be competitive, which is more than you can say for
most of the NBA franchises. Loyalty is a rare thing these days. Kudos to Coach
Sloan AND to Larry Miller for 21 years of loyalty and for delivering a
competitive product we can all be proud of.
Could be | 9:06 p.m. June 4, 2008
Could be the "Sloan Haters" are just trying to spin people up, and
really couldn't care one way or the other? I mean, look at their posts...
not one legit point in the group. They just spout off a bunch of crap...
you'd think someone who really cares would at least make a point worth
thinking about instead of spouting a bunch of drivel like that idiot Jazzsmack!
I mean, look at the list of players he mentioned. Andre is the only player of
the bunch worth anything. And yes, he did get better on the Jazz. The rest are
and were marginal bench players at best, and some aren't even in the league
anymore... after having chances with multiple coaches. You'd think if
Jazzsmack really cared, he'd at least make a valid point. I think those
guys are just trying to stir the pot because they aren't smart enough to
have a real opinion. They LOVE Sloan and they KNOW it. GO JAZZ!!!!
Jazzsmack | 10:01 p.m. June 4, 2008
RE: couldbe: You wouldn't know a valid point if it smacked on the side of
the head.
You should be more like Magnus, we may disagree, but atleast we can have an intelligent conversation.
RE: magnus: There is plenty of blame to go around.
I blame sloan for his coaching and rigid adherence to his system and game time routines. Underutilizing the three, Underutilizing horny. not defending the three.
I don't blame the players much because they did what they are capable of doing or allowed to do in the system.
I do blame the management for not putting the team together right to win championships.
Other organizations can seem to do over and over again. I hate mention the lakers, but they did in the seventies they did in the eighties they did again a few years ago and are on on the verge of doing it again.
they snag the first pick from the jazz which became magic johnson.
they snag gasol.
They find a way to get star plyers like wilt kareem shaq etc.
They just seem to find away of making it happen.
They don't sign other teams casts offs like Hart and wish and hope.
You should be more like Magnus, we may disagree, but atleast we can have an intelligent conversation.
RE: magnus: There is plenty of blame to go around.
I blame sloan for his coaching and rigid adherence to his system and game time routines. Underutilizing the three, Underutilizing horny. not defending the three.
I don't blame the players much because they did what they are capable of doing or allowed to do in the system.
I do blame the management for not putting the team together right to win championships.
Other organizations can seem to do over and over again. I hate mention the lakers, but they did in the seventies they did in the eighties they did again a few years ago and are on on the verge of doing it again.
they snag the first pick from the jazz which became magic johnson.
they snag gasol.
They find a way to get star plyers like wilt kareem shaq etc.
They just seem to find away of making it happen.
They don't sign other teams casts offs like Hart and wish and hope.
Moto X | 11:05 p.m. June 4, 2008
re:JazzSmack
You are clueless. Boozer is better since he got here. So is Memo. We have drafted D-Will, Brewer, CJ, and Millsap and they are all making waves in the NBA. AK also got better and was "the star" until he got all the cash and he became convinced everything should revolve around him. His ego was his downfall. Most talented players just shine when they get more help. AK melted and his brain imploded. It was a cultural thing to some extent I think--not coaching.
Anyway, our coaching staff has multiple talented players we drafted all dramatically improving their games and making a name for themselves. Show me one team that "hits" on every draft pick.
The Spurs blew theirs on Taigo Splitter last year and they can not even get him to come play for them.
Your arguments don't hold up.
"Sloan Hater" is the same person writing about 90% of the anti-sloan comments here. He posts under different names to try to give the appearance there is more people that agree with him.
He is one negative nasty dude with no legitimate solutions and alot of complaints. Generally a toxic person.
You are clueless. Boozer is better since he got here. So is Memo. We have drafted D-Will, Brewer, CJ, and Millsap and they are all making waves in the NBA. AK also got better and was "the star" until he got all the cash and he became convinced everything should revolve around him. His ego was his downfall. Most talented players just shine when they get more help. AK melted and his brain imploded. It was a cultural thing to some extent I think--not coaching.
Anyway, our coaching staff has multiple talented players we drafted all dramatically improving their games and making a name for themselves. Show me one team that "hits" on every draft pick.
The Spurs blew theirs on Taigo Splitter last year and they can not even get him to come play for them.
Your arguments don't hold up.
"Sloan Hater" is the same person writing about 90% of the anti-sloan comments here. He posts under different names to try to give the appearance there is more people that agree with him.
He is one negative nasty dude with no legitimate solutions and alot of complaints. Generally a toxic person.
Thanks Jerry | 11:06 p.m. June 4, 2008
Glad to have you back.
magnus | 11:37 p.m. June 4, 2008
@ Jazzsmack
That's an interesting point. It looks like it is valid on the surface but when we dig a little deeper it is a little shaky.
First regarding "system" and three of your beefs with it, in reverse order...
-"Not defending the 3" - The Jazz where the 6th best team in the league in opposing team three point percentage this year, that doesn't happen by letting other teams shoot.
-"Not utilizing Horny more" - horny was second on the team in minutes played dring the '96-'98 seasons and was the second leading scorer, I'm not sure how much more usage his broken body could have taken. horney was the consumate team player, if he thought shooting the ball more would have been better for the team he would have done it.
-"Underutilizing the three" - The Jazz do shoot fewer threes than almost anyone in the league, but they also have one of the most efficient offenses in the league every year. Just so youknow "efficiency" means that the Jazz get more points per posession than other teams in the league, and they do it without shooting threes.
to be cont.....
That's an interesting point. It looks like it is valid on the surface but when we dig a little deeper it is a little shaky.
First regarding "system" and three of your beefs with it, in reverse order...
-"Not defending the 3" - The Jazz where the 6th best team in the league in opposing team three point percentage this year, that doesn't happen by letting other teams shoot.
-"Not utilizing Horny more" - horny was second on the team in minutes played dring the '96-'98 seasons and was the second leading scorer, I'm not sure how much more usage his broken body could have taken. horney was the consumate team player, if he thought shooting the ball more would have been better for the team he would have done it.
-"Underutilizing the three" - The Jazz do shoot fewer threes than almost anyone in the league, but they also have one of the most efficient offenses in the league every year. Just so youknow "efficiency" means that the Jazz get more points per posession than other teams in the league, and they do it without shooting threes.
to be cont.....
magnus | 12:21 a.m. June 5, 2008
@ Jazzsmack
cont...
One thing I find interesting about the "putting together the right team to win championships" argument, is that it is not like every team in the league isn't trying to find the next Magic or MJ or build a championship calliber team. I mean even if you do get an elite player like Lebron or Kobe it is fairly obvious that you need more than that to get to the Championship level.
The Gasol trade was an inside job, no way in a million years that trade happens on merit alone. Same with the Garnett trade. Does it seem funny at all to you that two of the most lopsided trades in history sent great players from crappy teams to two of the most storied, biggest market, franchises in the NBA? That's not a coincidence brother.
I think the Jazz are on the championship track. Sloans system works and Williams is the cornerstone, he has the talent and the competitive fire to lead a championship team and I think that when you look at the talent backing him up right now and the season they had this year the only thing they lacked was consistency/experience.
cont...
One thing I find interesting about the "putting together the right team to win championships" argument, is that it is not like every team in the league isn't trying to find the next Magic or MJ or build a championship calliber team. I mean even if you do get an elite player like Lebron or Kobe it is fairly obvious that you need more than that to get to the Championship level.
The Gasol trade was an inside job, no way in a million years that trade happens on merit alone. Same with the Garnett trade. Does it seem funny at all to you that two of the most lopsided trades in history sent great players from crappy teams to two of the most storied, biggest market, franchises in the NBA? That's not a coincidence brother.
I think the Jazz are on the championship track. Sloans system works and Williams is the cornerstone, he has the talent and the competitive fire to lead a championship team and I think that when you look at the talent backing him up right now and the season they had this year the only thing they lacked was consistency/experience.
Anonymous | 12:24 a.m. June 5, 2008
Jerry Sloan is the man. I met him 20 years ago just after he took over from
Frank Layden. I would not have imagined this length of tenure--he is the
standard bearer of professionalism, hard work and commitment to his profession.
I like everything about this guy.
Ing | 3:58 a.m. June 5, 2008
See, I told you the posts would go this way. The Sloan-haters can't back
themselves up with evidence, as usual.
As for the reason the Lakers are always finding a way to get the biggest star players and repeatedly build championship teams, you don't have to look any farther than that big Hollywood sign on the hill. Can't fault Sloan or the Jazz brass for not having that on their side.
That list of players someone put up saying they didn't get better playing for Sloan is bogus. Hornacek played great for the Jazz; Sloan's system got the most out of him when he was well past his physical prime. Raja Bell...who was he before he came to the Jazz? Nobody. Why did the Suns want him so much? Hmmm... The couple of players you can legitimately say didn't get better also didn't really try to work with Sloan. I could go on down the list just like that.
I'm not saying he's perfect--just that he's a fine coach who has done more with less over the years than just about anybody else could have, and Jazz ownership is smart enough to know a good thing when they've got it.
As for the reason the Lakers are always finding a way to get the biggest star players and repeatedly build championship teams, you don't have to look any farther than that big Hollywood sign on the hill. Can't fault Sloan or the Jazz brass for not having that on their side.
That list of players someone put up saying they didn't get better playing for Sloan is bogus. Hornacek played great for the Jazz; Sloan's system got the most out of him when he was well past his physical prime. Raja Bell...who was he before he came to the Jazz? Nobody. Why did the Suns want him so much? Hmmm... The couple of players you can legitimately say didn't get better also didn't really try to work with Sloan. I could go on down the list just like that.
I'm not saying he's perfect--just that he's a fine coach who has done more with less over the years than just about anybody else could have, and Jazz ownership is smart enough to know a good thing when they've got it.
jazzrule | 11:08 a.m. June 5, 2008
Why bother to post good points, I tried it during the season and even gave Sloan
credit for finally making some changes in his coaching style. And I have
coached professionally before, so you can not say I have no expertise. I
won't bother posting those points again, because you Sloan lovers are to
stupid to even consider good points as you proved in my previous post. Sloan is
a "good coach" and yes we could do worse, but as far as making
adjustments during games and in a playoff series he is not that good. In any
case when we finally get another coach we will be losing some of the good
players off this current team, and all of you Sloan lovers will say see I told
you so. I still say if Larry Miller would provide the players with a secret way
to vote on keeping Sloan he would find out the truth. I love the Jazz and will
continue to support them, but it is very unlikely we will ever win that elusive
championship with Sloan at the helm, not impossible just highly unlikely.
Re: moron | 3:06 p.m. June 5, 2008
You knew you were a moron. Thanks for letting us know.
Anonymous | 3:41 p.m. June 5, 2008
You Sloan whiners just don't get it. Players win championships. Sloan
can't shoot the team's shots or play defense for them. He can only
teach. He's helped the Jazz to the playoffs 18 of the past 20 seasons and
the Jazz players just haven't finished (most notably Malone and his FT
troubles). I can understand your guy's frustration, though, because we
have a championship-caliber team in the middle of the stacked western
conference.
Sloan Deere Fan | 4:50 p.m. June 5, 2008
Jerry's a real asset to the NBA & when he's gone you will all
realize what it was like to have a REAL coach in your town. He takes young
players & makes them hungry to play by sitting them out to season(unless
their talent is unavoidable) in the D-league, He makes veterans bust thier cans
as a role model to the younger players & he gives his point guards the
reigns and creates leaders out of unpolished players. A young immature bunch
like this shows up by foulding alot & you saw that this year, watch this
team as it matures & bonds to form a strong unit of guys who hate to lose
enough to pay the price of blood, sweat & tears to bring SLC a Championship.
Nobody hates to lose more than Jerry Sloan. How do I know? I see him every offseason & know personally how much it pains him. It's not about the money or accolades. He prides himself in trying to do the most with what Miller & Oconner give him...I'd say he's done a heck of a job. Shame on you who think consistant playoff appearances isnt a good job.
Nobody hates to lose more than Jerry Sloan. How do I know? I see him every offseason & know personally how much it pains him. It's not about the money or accolades. He prides himself in trying to do the most with what Miller & Oconner give him...I'd say he's done a heck of a job. Shame on you who think consistant playoff appearances isnt a good job.
Moto X | 1:00 p.m. June 6, 2008
re:jazzrule
"You have coached professionally before" I guess that obviously means past tense. It did not take me long to figure out why either.
You elude to "having a secret way for the players to vote on Sloan". Yes, likability/player picked is how all coaches should be selected. Right! How ridiculous can you possibly get!!!!
By your standard George Karl would be the best coach in the NBA--players really like him. Players love any coach who make them work less and let them shoot and play undisciplined "street" basketball. That is until the twilight of their career/they mature and they realize they have won NOTHING and then they want a coach with some discipline and system with a chance to win.
As far as you judging whether Sloans "in-game" adjustments are good or not...well I guess we can evaluate your logic on "secret coach selection by player vote" and decide for ourselves whether you are a credible judge of that or not.
"You have coached professionally before" I guess that obviously means past tense. It did not take me long to figure out why either.
You elude to "having a secret way for the players to vote on Sloan". Yes, likability/player picked is how all coaches should be selected. Right! How ridiculous can you possibly get!!!!
By your standard George Karl would be the best coach in the NBA--players really like him. Players love any coach who make them work less and let them shoot and play undisciplined "street" basketball. That is until the twilight of their career/they mature and they realize they have won NOTHING and then they want a coach with some discipline and system with a chance to win.
As far as you judging whether Sloans "in-game" adjustments are good or not...well I guess we can evaluate your logic on "secret coach selection by player vote" and decide for ourselves whether you are a credible judge of that or not.
odogtriever | 7:54 a.m. June 8, 2008
Hey Sloan=0 Championship. Your comments about Poppovich are baseless.
Didn't San Antonio win only one game against the Lakers in the west finals.
He did that with Duncan, Manu, and Parker.
The Jazz won two and Sloan did it with Williams, Boozer, and Memo. I like Williams over Parker, but last time I checked the other two are better players.
Popovich is Sloans biggest fan. He made his mark by coaching with a demanding style he took from Sloan.
I just wish all the naysayers would have an inteligent argument. Don't post if you are going to show just how dumb we are becoming in America.
Please someone tell me what coach is going to do better with this group of players, and how they are going to do it? I just want to know. You all seem to have an answer.
The Jazz won two and Sloan did it with Williams, Boozer, and Memo. I like Williams over Parker, but last time I checked the other two are better players.
Popovich is Sloans biggest fan. He made his mark by coaching with a demanding style he took from Sloan.
I just wish all the naysayers would have an inteligent argument. Don't post if you are going to show just how dumb we are becoming in America.
Please someone tell me what coach is going to do better with this group of players, and how they are going to do it? I just want to know. You all seem to have an answer.
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Brave prediction. Especially since you can pretty much chalk the Jazz up for a winning season every year (I think you take that for granted, why don't you go ask a Knicks fan how it feels not to have that) and 15 out of 16 teams that make the playoffs next year will lose.
@ Sloan=Zero championship
I would hardly call the Jazz playoff runs this year or last year "fizzling out". The Jazz where the third best team in the playoffs this year (maybe second), go ask the Lakers they'll tell you.
@ All Sloan Haters
I think it is funny that the same people that blame the Jazz lack of championships on Sloan turn around in the same post and talk about how players win championships and the Jazz don't have the right players.
WHICH IS IT?!?!?
It can't be all Sloans fault and all the players fault, so which is it?
And if it is both then how come substandard players with substandard coaching were within 2 points + one game of the NBA championship TWICE!!!!
Pathetic bandwagoners.