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BYU football: Another missionary switches to play for Y.
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Re: Disappointed | 11:42 a.m. May 30, 2008
No BYU coach in his right mind would have such a form letter unless all
missionaries were off limits to ALL schools recruiting them during their
missions.
I can understand, however, why a Utah fan would want to lay a guilt trip on the Y and get them to self-impose another disadvantage that no other school is bound to.
There is NOTHING WRONG with BYU responding to a missionary's inquiry as long as it is done with care and doesn't distract the missionary from his missionary work.
Almost ALL missionaries make plans for their future while they're still serving.
We've had four children graduate from BYU. All four served missions and all four filled out applications and even scheduled classes for the upcoming school year, all while they were still serving in the mission field. None of them were athletes.
Missionaries are very capable of being fully committed to their missionary service and still find time to make plans for after their missions.
Why should athletes be held to a different standard?
I can understand, however, why a Utah fan would want to lay a guilt trip on the Y and get them to self-impose another disadvantage that no other school is bound to.
There is NOTHING WRONG with BYU responding to a missionary's inquiry as long as it is done with care and doesn't distract the missionary from his missionary work.
Almost ALL missionaries make plans for their future while they're still serving.
We've had four children graduate from BYU. All four served missions and all four filled out applications and even scheduled classes for the upcoming school year, all while they were still serving in the mission field. None of them were athletes.
Missionaries are very capable of being fully committed to their missionary service and still find time to make plans for after their missions.
Why should athletes be held to a different standard?
Spud Man | 11:49 a.m. May 30, 2008
Bronco has built a winning program. Its no wonder that the blue recruits are
now flooding his door. Everyone wants to be a winner (not a weiner-Ywete fans).
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ute hater | 11:53 a.m. May 30, 2008
he contacted BYU, find something else to take your shots at yewts
Big Deal | 11:58 a.m. May 30, 2008
So BYU recruited a couple of guys on their mission. Let's get this
straight, it's okay for any other school in the nation to go after a kid on
a mission but BYU, an LDS institution. Isn't LDS athletes what BYU wants.
If anything LDS missionaries should be off limits to anyone but BYU.
Bronco busting | 12:00 p.m. May 30, 2008
Bronco is a good guy, and I'm not even a BYU fan.
Re: Re: Nice one Cougars | 12:00 p.m. May 30, 2008
You've obviously missed the point, the smack wasn't on UNLV, it was on
BYU.
Objective fan | 12:02 p.m. May 30, 2008
BYU fans get over yourselves, this isn't about blind jealousy on the part
of Ute and Aggie fans. From a Ute fans perspective why would they be jealous
that you're pulling in two marginal recruits whose future impact on the
team is as mysterious as the BYU coaches silence on this whole issue?
What Ute and Aggie fans are questioning is the ethics of BYU coaches and these kids' families for that matter. I understand missionaries should have realistic goals set for when they return, but is it really necessary to have college plans set in stone while you still have a year left on the mission?
What Ute and Aggie fans are questioning is the ethics of BYU coaches and these kids' families for that matter. I understand missionaries should have realistic goals set for when they return, but is it really necessary to have college plans set in stone while you still have a year left on the mission?
Ben Olson Situation | 12:18 p.m. May 30, 2008
I remember reading or hearing that the UCLA coach wrote Ben Olson every week on
his mission.
The uproar of all of this is mainly due to the fact that BYU has a winning program that these young men want to play for...not to mention a great school.
Bronco Mendenhall is a coach that any parent should be proud to have their son play for!!
The uproar of all of this is mainly due to the fact that BYU has a winning program that these young men want to play for...not to mention a great school.
Bronco Mendenhall is a coach that any parent should be proud to have their son play for!!
Bunch of Babies | 12:19 p.m. May 30, 2008
To those of you who think Bronco and his staff was proactive in contacting
Milosi Teo you don't know what's going on! A little background
info...
Milosi played at American Fork until he could see that the coaches didn't have a full appreciation for his talents so he went to Kahuku.
The coaching staff at American Fork has the mentality of sharing the load for running the ball even though one may be clearly better and should get most of the carries. I know because my son was a player there and he knows Milosi. Because Milosi didn't get the carries and the attention from Universities he should have @ AF-he went to Kahuku.
Kahuku didn't necessarily receive Milosi with open arms and they made him play behind someone else since that player had been there. But with his talent he finally got noticed later in the season there and he got the playing time he deserved.
BYU didn't give him the time of day until his parents came knocking! He's definitely worth the scholarship but under the circumstances didn't get noticed until his family made the contact. He's coming to the school he always wanted to play for!!
Milosi played at American Fork until he could see that the coaches didn't have a full appreciation for his talents so he went to Kahuku.
The coaching staff at American Fork has the mentality of sharing the load for running the ball even though one may be clearly better and should get most of the carries. I know because my son was a player there and he knows Milosi. Because Milosi didn't get the carries and the attention from Universities he should have @ AF-he went to Kahuku.
Kahuku didn't necessarily receive Milosi with open arms and they made him play behind someone else since that player had been there. But with his talent he finally got noticed later in the season there and he got the playing time he deserved.
BYU didn't give him the time of day until his parents came knocking! He's definitely worth the scholarship but under the circumstances didn't get noticed until his family made the contact. He's coming to the school he always wanted to play for!!
How Bad Can It Get? | 12:22 p.m. May 30, 2008
The BYU fans' (and that certainly includes Dick Harmon) best argument in
all of this is that no rules were broken and BYU did just what all other schools
do. Ergo, what's the big deal?
The big deal, of course, is that some people, check that, many people, expect something just a little better from a Universtiy who has as its Board of Trustees the Quorum of the Twelve.
Truth is, and nothing could demonstrate it much better than the string of comments above, BYU fans are just like other fans -- their fanatics. They care more about their perception of what it means to have a "great" football program than they do about having, for example, a broken heart and contrite spirit.
That's OK -- except for when they pretend it isn't so. Then, it's their behavior, much more than anything done by their coach or players, that really makes them what they are.
The big deal, of course, is that some people, check that, many people, expect something just a little better from a Universtiy who has as its Board of Trustees the Quorum of the Twelve.
Truth is, and nothing could demonstrate it much better than the string of comments above, BYU fans are just like other fans -- their fanatics. They care more about their perception of what it means to have a "great" football program than they do about having, for example, a broken heart and contrite spirit.
That's OK -- except for when they pretend it isn't so. Then, it's their behavior, much more than anything done by their coach or players, that really makes them what they are.
To Objective Fan | 12:23 p.m. May 30, 2008
I agree, why are Ute fans making such a big deal over this. They are bashing BYU
by the hoards.
Regarding the ethics, what is wrong with a recruitable kid or their family contacting a school to find out if they can play for that school? What is wrong with a coach (keeping NCAA rules)responding to such a kid, even if they are on a mission? If it is wrong, why does every other school do this, and most schools even cross that line and initiate contact with kids to recruit them to their program? BYU has been very careful not to cross that line. Other schools have no problem initiating contact. So, why are Utes and the BYU haters making such a bid deal? The only think I can come up with is their hatred for BYU and the fact that they can't stand that BYU is good and getting better.
Objective fan??? Hardly.
Regarding the ethics, what is wrong with a recruitable kid or their family contacting a school to find out if they can play for that school? What is wrong with a coach (keeping NCAA rules)responding to such a kid, even if they are on a mission? If it is wrong, why does every other school do this, and most schools even cross that line and initiate contact with kids to recruit them to their program? BYU has been very careful not to cross that line. Other schools have no problem initiating contact. So, why are Utes and the BYU haters making such a bid deal? The only think I can come up with is their hatred for BYU and the fact that they can't stand that BYU is good and getting better.
Objective fan??? Hardly.
Aggie Fan | 12:27 p.m. May 30, 2008
The past weeks events don't look good for anyone. It doesn't look
good for Riley, his family, or his mission president. It doesn't look good
for the USU coaches because they lost an All-American. But it doesn't look
good for BYU and their "believe to be" high standards. I am sorry to
see Riley leave Logan where he would be respected, but I am disappointed in BYU.
I guess no college player is safe in Utah unless they play for BYU.
Re:ute hater | 12:26 p.m. May 30, 2008
Who are you referring to as he? I think in this story you are right, but it is
still apparent in the Nelson case that BYU contacted his family and him. So
findng a new thing to take shots at is a great idea, but if you read the
interview with his father with any kind of objectivity, the case is pretty much
closed on who initiated contact. Coaches called the family. The
"casual" conversation with the high school coach is pretty irrelevant.
objective fan II | 12:27 p.m. May 30, 2008
It's obvious that Bronco KEEPS the recruiting rules and RESPECTS
missionaries and their families. The program is set up wonderfully. Missions
help mature boys into men, and it becomes easier to see a full picture, make
clearer decisions without regret. It shouldn't get ute/aggies mad at
all...if anything they should be excited, because they get to play BYU and
compete. Signed, Craig Thompson
chester blue | 12:29 p.m. May 30, 2008
With recruiting on the rise and an excellent coaching staff, BYU is on track to
not only bust the BCS this year, they'll be listed as a BCS buster for
years to come. Winning and doing it the right way recruits excellent LDS
athletes not only in HS but others(currently serving missions who've signed
with other schools before) because their heart strings have been touched. I
believe they often receive divine intervention while in the field to make the
best possible decision on their future. As Collie said, While doing your best
and doing the right things on and off the field, the Lord steps in and does the
rest. BYU is the right place for most LDS athletes if not all. Sometimes they
don't realize until on their missions but that's okay. BRONCO AND
STAFF HAVE NEVER INITIATED CONTACT WITH REGARDS TO STEALING LDS ATHLETES AWAY
FROM OTHER SCHOOLS. THEY WERE INBOUNDS ON THEIR APPROACH. THE MISSIONARIES AND
THEIR FAMILIES MADE THE FIRST MOVE. I'll I can say now is we welcome you
Manti and Levi and the rest that may follow. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!!
Texas Cougar | 12:29 p.m. May 30, 2008
Good players want to go to good programs. Two years ago (when these guys were
getting recruited) who've thought that BYU would have back to back 11-2
seasons? BYU is the BCS busting darling of this preseason (whether they deserve
it or not).
That's one of the tough parts of college sports. When a team starts doing well, people that play at slumping schools jump ship and join the successful team (for a chance at a little more publicity and professional prospect). The good get better while the not so good try to find a way to cope. This was BYUs situation just four short years ago (w/Ben Olson)
Maybe players shouldn't be allowed to switch schools once they've made a decision to sign with one team. Does that idea work better for everyone out there complaining about these recent moves? No, wait...I've got an even better idea. For every time a player decides to transfer to another school, the NCAA should remove one of their fingers. That would make some players think twice about changing their loyalties.
Plus, these players weren't really recruited by BYU
That's one of the tough parts of college sports. When a team starts doing well, people that play at slumping schools jump ship and join the successful team (for a chance at a little more publicity and professional prospect). The good get better while the not so good try to find a way to cope. This was BYUs situation just four short years ago (w/Ben Olson)
Maybe players shouldn't be allowed to switch schools once they've made a decision to sign with one team. Does that idea work better for everyone out there complaining about these recent moves? No, wait...I've got an even better idea. For every time a player decides to transfer to another school, the NCAA should remove one of their fingers. That would make some players think twice about changing their loyalties.
Plus, these players weren't really recruited by BYU
Coach | 12:29 p.m. May 30, 2008
Good work: quality recruit, abide by the rules. Go Cougars.
to 19 ute 13 | 12:34 p.m. May 30, 2008
The Vegas bowl is treating us just fine, considering it is the bowl the
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS go to. Don't you wish you could get there?
The real issue: | 12:36 p.m. May 30, 2008
Dick has finally found the quote - "We will not recruit players while they
are on their missions. That is not our policy. But when they do contact us,
we'll certainly listen."
According to Riley Nelson's dad BYU contacted Riley's parents through his high school coach.
Accroding to Te'os dad the parents contacted BYU.
Conclusion- Jensen was recruited, Te'o was not. Bronco went against his policy with Jensen, with the policy with Te'o.
The End
According to Riley Nelson's dad BYU contacted Riley's parents through his high school coach.
Accroding to Te'os dad the parents contacted BYU.
Conclusion- Jensen was recruited, Te'o was not. Bronco went against his policy with Jensen, with the policy with Te'o.
The End
To: Objective fan | 12:40 p.m. May 30, 2008
"is it really necessary to have college plans set in stone while you still
have a year left on the mission?"
YES< YES< and YES,
it is REALLY NECESSARY
...if you want to play for a major college football program.
For most athletes, there is only a very small window of opportunity. If you wait too long, that window of opportunity may be closed.
EVERY school has a limited number of scholarships and has to divy them up to cover ALL positions and ALL years.
If an athlete, who isn't already on the list of scholarship players, intends to play for a certain school, he needs to get his name on the list as soon as possible so that the school can make plans to include him, otherwise, there may not be an available scholarship or open position for him to fill.
YES< YES< and YES,
it is REALLY NECESSARY
...if you want to play for a major college football program.
For most athletes, there is only a very small window of opportunity. If you wait too long, that window of opportunity may be closed.
EVERY school has a limited number of scholarships and has to divy them up to cover ALL positions and ALL years.
If an athlete, who isn't already on the list of scholarship players, intends to play for a certain school, he needs to get his name on the list as soon as possible so that the school can make plans to include him, otherwise, there may not be an available scholarship or open position for him to fill.
A Good Laugh . . . | 12:46 p.m. May 30, 2008
Having a good laugh here about the "whose in whose" shawdow re: BYU
and Utah football.
There is that brilliant group who says "only the last two years matter and we Cougars know how we've dominated those games -- so get a life (Collie and Harline . . .)".
Then, there is the "'history' matters -- but only if we define it the way I want it defined and that's the LaVell era" group.
Then, there is the "we won a National Championship and you didn't -- so, neenerneenerneener" bunch.
Oh, and don't forget the "we won all those conference championships" group.
Pretend the all-time record in the rivalry isn't BYU-30 wins Utah-49 wins.
Pretend the record over the last 10 or 20 years isn't just about even.
Pretend that the bowl game record of all those conference champions isn't embarrassing.
Pretend that going undefeated in 1984 is way better than going undefeated in 2005 since no other team went undefeated in 1984.
Pretend that Ty Detmer is a much better player than Alex Smith (I'd put Steve Young's name in here if I were you, oh -- but wait he didn't win a Heisman either).
Pretend, pretend, pretend.
There is that brilliant group who says "only the last two years matter and we Cougars know how we've dominated those games -- so get a life (Collie and Harline . . .)".
Then, there is the "'history' matters -- but only if we define it the way I want it defined and that's the LaVell era" group.
Then, there is the "we won a National Championship and you didn't -- so, neenerneenerneener" bunch.
Oh, and don't forget the "we won all those conference championships" group.
Pretend the all-time record in the rivalry isn't BYU-30 wins Utah-49 wins.
Pretend the record over the last 10 or 20 years isn't just about even.
Pretend that the bowl game record of all those conference champions isn't embarrassing.
Pretend that going undefeated in 1984 is way better than going undefeated in 2005 since no other team went undefeated in 1984.
Pretend that Ty Detmer is a much better player than Alex Smith (I'd put Steve Young's name in here if I were you, oh -- but wait he didn't win a Heisman either).
Pretend, pretend, pretend.
Passionate about BYU | 12:49 p.m. May 30, 2008
Wow, I think the BYU haters are as passionate about BYU football as the BYU fans
are. Do they spend this much enery towards other teams they hate?
Best sign yet that BYU football is healthy>
Best sign yet that BYU football is healthy>
to: Bunch of Babies | 1:09 p.m. May 30, 2008
So what you are saying is that the brothers belong at American Fork?? Then what
is the other one doing at Timpview???? This seems to be a case of parents who
have learned how to bend the rules in their favor.. First the UHSAA and now
BYU..
BSU fan | 1:10 p.m. May 30, 2008
BYU DON'T EVEN TALK SMACK UNTIL YOU CAN BEAT US. WE CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE
AND BEAT YOU 50-12!!!!!!!!!!
To:passionate about BYU | 1:15 p.m. May 30, 2008
please define "enery" for me. I have a Masters degree from BYU and
don't ever remember that word.
Shadow - Original | 1:26 p.m. May 30, 2008
Typical COUGIE fans....always pointing to 1984 to a VERY debatable national
championship. True, all you TDS followers have all of these past accolades to
point to. I'm not debating that. The only thing that is not debatable is
that Bronco and his TDS followers have stated that their goals this year is an
"undefeated season" and a "BCS Bowl" birth. So based on
those comments....UTAH has ALREADY accomplished BYU's goals only a few
years ago. Keep dreaming about what its like being Utah in 2004
Cougars....maybe Broco should have all the players lay in the grass and watch
2004 Ute highlight films so they can better imagine what they need to aspire to.
1984 | 1:26 p.m. May 30, 2008
The worst NCAA chanpionship in football. So bad the BCS was born because of it.
BYU barely beat a 4th place Michigan team to win the title. All you BYU people
complianing about the BCS, it was because of BYU it was created.
BSU the new BYU | 1:29 p.m. May 30, 2008
BSU is now considered what BYU used to be years ago, they now put fear in the
eyes of BYU players and fans.
LALALA | 1:30 p.m. May 30, 2008
LALAL HEY HEY WHO CARES!!
Who is this guy freakin LT or Reggie Bush? Just like Nelson is a 5'10 Tim Tebow or something? Guys who cares, these aren't big time players or recruits. Let them go play at BYU or whatever. Guys are making such a big deal about kids you don't even know. My proof there are 4 pages of ridicoulis comments.
re: Passionate | 1:31 p.m. May 30, 2008
Passionate isn't showing up to a game 2 minutes before kickoff. YOu want
college football passion go move to the south where they tailgate all day of the
game.
Anonymous | 1:33 p.m. May 30, 2008
I agree with 'BSU fan', byu is a joke. byu still thinks the mtn west
is better than the wac.
hasnt the wac champ played in the bcs bowls the last couple yrs.
imagine if byu was in a bcs bowl - lol
I guess they did win a national title in 1984. And they totally deserved it, not many teams could barely beat a 6-6 Michigan that finished 5 place in the big ten.
I still dont understand why barry switzer of Oklahoma was mad byu was the national champion football team?
hasnt the wac champ played in the bcs bowls the last couple yrs.
imagine if byu was in a bcs bowl - lol
I guess they did win a national title in 1984. And they totally deserved it, not many teams could barely beat a 6-6 Michigan that finished 5 place in the big ten.
I still dont understand why barry switzer of Oklahoma was mad byu was the national champion football team?
RE: Passionate about BYUWHO | 1:34 p.m. May 30, 2008
BYU is healthy to go to yet another VEGAS bowl. Go cougars!! Live the dream and
show up 5 minutes before kickoff and boo every time there is a call, even though
it was clear.
dave neff | 1:35 p.m. May 30, 2008
'To:passionate about BYU', bragging about a masters from byu is very
impressive.
how did u stand living in provo for the 2 yrs it took to get the degree that alone impresses me.
how did u stand living in provo for the 2 yrs it took to get the degree that alone impresses me.
No integrity | 1:40 p.m. May 30, 2008
The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does another. Obviously, all BYU
and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful. So much for your higher
standards and being different.
Zoobie 55 | 1:47 p.m. May 30, 2008
RE: Please Humor me Ok Ok maybe BYU recruited Riley Nelson on his mission.
Here are some other imperfections which may amuse you.
When Gifford Nielson broke his leg in the 1970"s against Oregon I was so upset I didn't go to church the next day. (God had abandoned us)
I used to think a BYU win was a win for the church.
When a student at BYU, I wouldn't confess red was my favorite color.
One of my BYU football roommates drank beer. I refused to turn him in for honor code violations. Karma came back to bite me. One evening my date asked if she could see where I lived. When we entered my apartment it was empty, but 10 empty beer bottles had been left surrounding the kitchen table. It was my first and last date with her.
When Gifford Nielson broke his leg in the 1970"s against Oregon I was so upset I didn't go to church the next day. (God had abandoned us)
I used to think a BYU win was a win for the church.
When a student at BYU, I wouldn't confess red was my favorite color.
One of my BYU football roommates drank beer. I refused to turn him in for honor code violations. Karma came back to bite me. One evening my date asked if she could see where I lived. When we entered my apartment it was empty, but 10 empty beer bottles had been left surrounding the kitchen table. It was my first and last date with her.
Confused | 1:52 p.m. May 30, 2008
UTE FANS AND OTHERS WHO THINK BRONCO IS A HYPOCIT!
Please show me one piece of evidence that Bronco recruited these two young men?
Please tell me:
Did Bronco send them a letter (before the family contacted him)?
Did he send out his Assitant coaches to the families to persuade them to have the kid change his mind?
Did he offer a scholorship to these young men BEFORE they contacted him?
Nelson - Higgens was talking to the Logan Coach in a causul conversation and mentioned that BYU was interested. It was the Logan coach that did the recruiting
Recruiting? Borderline, not recruiting in the general sense of the word
Teo - This is all the family and young man decision.
They contacted Bronco, WHO WAITED UNTIL THE LEGAL TIME TO MAKE CONTACT to email the PARENTS (still no contact with player). This wait was something like a year, the kid must have been wondering why the whole time.
Recruiting - NO! no way, no sense , no how
Please show me one piece of evidence that Bronco recruited these two young men?
Please tell me:
Did Bronco send them a letter (before the family contacted him)?
Did he send out his Assitant coaches to the families to persuade them to have the kid change his mind?
Did he offer a scholorship to these young men BEFORE they contacted him?
Nelson - Higgens was talking to the Logan Coach in a causul conversation and mentioned that BYU was interested. It was the Logan coach that did the recruiting
Recruiting? Borderline, not recruiting in the general sense of the word
Teo - This is all the family and young man decision.
They contacted Bronco, WHO WAITED UNTIL THE LEGAL TIME TO MAKE CONTACT to email the PARENTS (still no contact with player). This wait was something like a year, the kid must have been wondering why the whole time.
Recruiting - NO! no way, no sense , no how
re:good laugh... | 2:03 p.m. May 30, 2008
Im sorry but Alex Smith is a worthless qb in the NFL. He is a system qb that
was good in college and wont do anything in the NFL. So you can
"pretend" that 49ers got their money's worth with him.
Your a bunch of Idiots... | 2:05 p.m. May 30, 2008
All of the NCAA Championships titles are debatable since there is has never been
a NCAA Championship Football Game! BYU 1 Yewts Zip!
Cougarcanuck | 2:06 p.m. May 30, 2008
Hey dfarmer, do other schools not recruit Catholic athletes just because Notre
Dame, Boston College and some others recruit them? Schools will recruit the
best athletes they can get their mitts on, regardless of religion.
Objective fan to BYU fans | 2:10 p.m. May 30, 2008
Yes because if someone disagrees with a BYU fan then they are automatically
assumed to be a childishly labeled "yewt" right?
Listen, I never said its wrong to seek out educational/athletic opportunities while on the mission, I just asked if it's necessary with a year left when most missionaries are just barely getting comfortable with their new surroundings. I agree with the assertion that many college athletes on a mission have a small window of opportunity to receive a scholarship to a school of their choice. But I also agree that it could have a negative impact on the focus of some of these missionaries.
For any of us to pretend, though, that we know how these recruiting efforts (on both sides) impact these kids on their missions is ludicrous. It may be trivial to a kid's focus, but it could also be detrimental. The latter is why I tend to question the ethics.
Listen, I never said its wrong to seek out educational/athletic opportunities while on the mission, I just asked if it's necessary with a year left when most missionaries are just barely getting comfortable with their new surroundings. I agree with the assertion that many college athletes on a mission have a small window of opportunity to receive a scholarship to a school of their choice. But I also agree that it could have a negative impact on the focus of some of these missionaries.
For any of us to pretend, though, that we know how these recruiting efforts (on both sides) impact these kids on their missions is ludicrous. It may be trivial to a kid's focus, but it could also be detrimental. The latter is why I tend to question the ethics.
Proud BYU fan | 2:15 p.m. May 30, 2008
I think it's time that BYU goes to a BCS bowl game. Maybe this will be the
year.
UTE FAN | 2:19 p.m. May 30, 2008
WHY DO LITTLE COUGS ALWAYS SAY "YOUR NOT UTE FANS, BUT BYU HATERS"??
THIS PUZZLES ME BECAUSE ON DAY THERE WILL BE NO BYU ATHLETIC PROGRAM. IT'S
TOO BIG OF A SCARE ON THE CHURCH! SO SOON THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO HATE! I AM A
UTE AND WILL BE TIL I DIE!
Alex | 2:20 p.m. May 30, 2008
I have to admit I am loving this. I am trying really hard to keep myself from
laughing myself to tears. I've gone through dozens of these passionate
indignation speeches about the "indignity and gall" of returning
missionaries from other schools switching from other schools to go to BYU. I
still don't understand what specifically BYU did that has BYU antifans
(they love to hate BYU) indignant. That said, there are few things in this
world more satisfying than BYU success right to the face of a BYU antifan with a
chip on his shoulder. Go Cougars!
RM Cougar | 2:21 p.m. May 30, 2008
While I was on my mission, Jacob de Jager spoke to us and I still remember him
telling us, "Just as you have to prepare to come on a mission, you have to
prepare to come home." He said that we needed to put our affairs in order,
so we could concentrate on the work. That's all these two young men are
doing.
To: A Good Laugh . . . | 2:23 p.m. May 30, 2008
I'll give you 1922 to 1963, Utah was mediocre, and BYU barely fielded a
team.
But since the formation of the WAC in 1964:
Overall
BYU 348-168-3 (67%)
Utah 264-233-3 (53%)
head-to-head (BYU 28, Utah 16)
WAC
BYU 279-127-3 (68%) 19 WAC; 1 National championship
Utah 192-197-3 (49%) 2 WAC championships
head-to-head (BYU 24, Utah 11)
MWC
BYU 69-41 (63%) 4 MWC championships
Utah 72-36 (67%) 3 MWC championships
head-to-head (BYU 4, Utah 5)
Bottom line, Utah has become more competitive and, thanks to Urban Meyer's 2 great season, and Gary Crowtons 3 terrible seasons, Utah has a slightly better record, but fewer conference championships than BYU since the formation of MWC.
Even so, Utah's much improved record (67%) over the last 9 years is the same as BYU's record (67%) for the past 45 years.
The trend, however, starting with Mendenhall and Whittingham, is going in BYU's favor. If Utah doesn't want to fall back into the shadow again, they're going to have to pick up the pace.
But since the formation of the WAC in 1964:
Overall
BYU 348-168-3 (67%)
Utah 264-233-3 (53%)
head-to-head (BYU 28, Utah 16)
WAC
BYU 279-127-3 (68%) 19 WAC; 1 National championship
Utah 192-197-3 (49%) 2 WAC championships
head-to-head (BYU 24, Utah 11)
MWC
BYU 69-41 (63%) 4 MWC championships
Utah 72-36 (67%) 3 MWC championships
head-to-head (BYU 4, Utah 5)
Bottom line, Utah has become more competitive and, thanks to Urban Meyer's 2 great season, and Gary Crowtons 3 terrible seasons, Utah has a slightly better record, but fewer conference championships than BYU since the formation of MWC.
Even so, Utah's much improved record (67%) over the last 9 years is the same as BYU's record (67%) for the past 45 years.
The trend, however, starting with Mendenhall and Whittingham, is going in BYU's favor. If Utah doesn't want to fall back into the shadow again, they're going to have to pick up the pace.
Y fans not honest | 2:30 p.m. May 30, 2008
It was pretty clear that Y coaches initiated contact with Nelson through his
coach, from Nelson's dad's comments. Nothing wrong with that except
the hypocrisy.
Why can't Y fans admit Bronconi is like everyone else when it comes to recruiting. He uses his advantage and playing the religion card in his advantage. His "higher standards" are just for the consumption of those he is recruiting, but not for his staff.
I'm going to laugh when Manti goes to USC and you are stuck with his lesser cousins and your plan to land the big fish.
Why can't Y fans admit Bronconi is like everyone else when it comes to recruiting. He uses his advantage and playing the religion card in his advantage. His "higher standards" are just for the consumption of those he is recruiting, but not for his staff.
I'm going to laugh when Manti goes to USC and you are stuck with his lesser cousins and your plan to land the big fish.
Shadow? | 2:36 p.m. May 30, 2008
Hmmmmm, BYU in Utah's shadow?
When was the last time Utah won a national championship?....Oh, right NEVER!
When was the last time a Ute player won the Heisman?
NEVER!
Seems Utah is still in the Y's shadow.
When was the last time Utah won a national championship?....Oh, right NEVER!
When was the last time a Ute player won the Heisman?
NEVER!
Seems Utah is still in the Y's shadow.
GO COUGS | 2:41 p.m. May 30, 2008
I find it very interesting that BYU can come up with a scholorship after they
realized he was related to a blue chip linebacker. All you U fans need to
remember this is "ZION" the "Lords School". We would never
ever do anything that would violate NCAA policy
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Alex | 2:41 p.m. May 30, 2008
No integrity:
"The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does another. Obviously, all BYU and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful. So much for your higher standards and being different. "
Of course we are about winning. Aren't you? Look, I wouldn't give a fig for someone who doesn't play sports and life to win. Where is the high standard in aiming lower? How different is it to be as mediocre as possible? Everyone should aim to be the best they can be, and not be ashamed if they are blessed with success.
"The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does another. Obviously, all BYU and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful. So much for your higher standards and being different. "
Of course we are about winning. Aren't you? Look, I wouldn't give a fig for someone who doesn't play sports and life to win. Where is the high standard in aiming lower? How different is it to be as mediocre as possible? Everyone should aim to be the best they can be, and not be ashamed if they are blessed with success.
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Look at what Bronco has done to BYU football, the character of these young men, to the community, and to the MWC. He has brought respect and honor to all of the above. He honored his own recruiting policy, which is at a higher standard than any other coach. I guarantee you that most other coaches have absolutely no problem contacting and recruiting players on missions. It happens all of the time to BYU players, whether they choose to go or not.
BYU haters, where is your class??????????? Where??