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Why? | 4:02 p.m. May 29, 2008
We have a problem with the seperation of Church and State in Utah!
The Legislature is of a backwards nature.
The Legislature is of a backwards nature.
wow!!! | 4:03 p.m. May 29, 2008
What did the church leaders do to be punished with a meeting with Bush, the
Great Satan?
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comparisons | 4:14 p.m. May 29, 2008
Comparing Monson to the Pope?
Now that's rich.
The Original Church's Holy Father, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI; in Latin, Benedictus XVI, Episcopus Romae. However, his rarely-used full title is "His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, overseeing 1.3 billion Catholics and a former advertising executive for this Newspaper over seeing a protestant church of about 13 million.
Yes, I see the similarities.
(don't you wish)
Now that's rich.
The Original Church's Holy Father, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI; in Latin, Benedictus XVI, Episcopus Romae. However, his rarely-used full title is "His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, overseeing 1.3 billion Catholics and a former advertising executive for this Newspaper over seeing a protestant church of about 13 million.
Yes, I see the similarities.
(don't you wish)
Re: Re: Colorado 3:40 pm | 4:17 p.m. May 29, 2008
> If we did that we'd all wake up to radical religious > rule and
"America" would be led by religious zealots > that kill those who
don't accept its faith.
So, what are you advocating? Finding all of those religious zealots wherever they are in the world and killing them wherever they may be, taking over nation after nation if that is what is needed?
Yes, there are millions of people on this planet that hate all Americans and would kill you and I to make their point. We can't change that fact.
Likewise, we can't resolve the situation by invading every country we decide might contain "bad people" in our own zealous effort to rid the world of all evil.
So, what are you advocating? Finding all of those religious zealots wherever they are in the world and killing them wherever they may be, taking over nation after nation if that is what is needed?
Yes, there are millions of people on this planet that hate all Americans and would kill you and I to make their point. We can't change that fact.
Likewise, we can't resolve the situation by invading every country we decide might contain "bad people" in our own zealous effort to rid the world of all evil.
Re: Maybe This will help | 4:19 p.m. May 29, 2008
I have a heart for the person who lives in Utah who has taken the time to learn
about the church but who chooses not to be baptized and so forth. Taking your
comment a step further, any organization that avows a belief in Jesus Christ
should really be considered a monarchy as much as a theocracy. Jesus Christ is
considered by Christians to be the, 'king of kings'. However,
there's a difference between a monarchy that's ruled by Jesus Christ
and a monarchy that's ruled by someone or something else. I'd say if
a political label were to be placed on the church it would be that of a
monarchy. But it's not just any other monarchy. It's led by Jesus
Christ whose teachings are far more perfect in a governmental sense, and in
every other sense then our own.
Anonymous | 4:20 p.m. May 29, 2008
Funny how subtle negative sentences are spread throughout the article. Such as:
"He did not come across the tarmac to greet a couple of dozen gathered
airmen, to the disappointment of the gathered military." (Really? Did she
ask every single person there?)
"His motorcade came from the base around 8:30 a.m., once again closing streets throughout downtown, as well as portions of I-80 and I-15, and snarling the already busy morning commute." (Apparently the reporter was stuck in that commute and that's why she's grumpy.)
"Some snapped pictures, while others � such as a man on a bicycle who gave the president a thumbs-down � were less impressed." (How many "less impressed" people did she actually see, and how did she know their thoughts? She already admitted that there were only a few people watching the motorcade.)
Real journalists know the difference between reporting the news and editorializing.
"His motorcade came from the base around 8:30 a.m., once again closing streets throughout downtown, as well as portions of I-80 and I-15, and snarling the already busy morning commute." (Apparently the reporter was stuck in that commute and that's why she's grumpy.)
"Some snapped pictures, while others � such as a man on a bicycle who gave the president a thumbs-down � were less impressed." (How many "less impressed" people did she actually see, and how did she know their thoughts? She already admitted that there were only a few people watching the motorcade.)
Real journalists know the difference between reporting the news and editorializing.
Active LDS, Active Democrat | 4:31 p.m. May 29, 2008
Don't begrudge Bush a visit with President Monson. The prophet's hand
is on the helm, and he will not steer the church wrong regardless of who lobbies
him, or how. After all, even Satan was given audience in the War in Heaven.
:-)
suzyk | 4:32 p.m. May 29, 2008
I find many of these comments comical if not down right sad. These people with
negative comments must harbor deep feelings of regret and sadness in their own
lives...I feel sorry for them, that they are so miserable in life that they do
everything they can to try to influence others to feel the way they do. Bravo
to those positive and non-judgemental comments..why is it so difficult to see
the good and not concentrate on the bad. There was and is no bad when it comes
to Pres. Bush and the First Presidency's meeting and exchanging positive
thoughts. Look for the GOOD..you might be surprised.
Indiana | 4:36 p.m. May 29, 2008
To wow!!!@3:48
That was rediculous, childish and judgemental. You should apologize for it, but I suspect you have neither the moral compass (not knowing you did anything wrong) or the courage to do it...
again, let me repeat: BUSH IS NOT THE BAD GUY.... BE MAD AT THE REAL BAD GUYS, NOT THE GUY WHO HAS PROTECTED YOUR SORRY, UNDESERVING, COWARDLY HINEY; YOUR FAMILY AND MANY FRIENDS FROM GETTING KILLED BY THE REAL BAD GUY... get a clue....
That was rediculous, childish and judgemental. You should apologize for it, but I suspect you have neither the moral compass (not knowing you did anything wrong) or the courage to do it...
again, let me repeat: BUSH IS NOT THE BAD GUY.... BE MAD AT THE REAL BAD GUYS, NOT THE GUY WHO HAS PROTECTED YOUR SORRY, UNDESERVING, COWARDLY HINEY; YOUR FAMILY AND MANY FRIENDS FROM GETTING KILLED BY THE REAL BAD GUY... get a clue....
Anonymous | 4:43 p.m. May 29, 2008
Seems like Bill Clinton visted with the first presidency a few years ago.. Humm,
Maybe they were making a deal with Bill.
Steve-Re: Comparisons 4:14pm | 4:46 p.m. May 29, 2008
That's YOUR belief about the Pope. It doesn't make it fact. He may
or may not be who and what he's claimed to be (IF it's all true).
But IF Monson is indeed who and what he's claimed to be, a true and living prophet of God (just like Moses and others from the Bible, same authority etc.) then he's the one with true authority from God rather than the Pope.
Either both churches are wrong OR one of them is right, they both can't be right/correct in what they each claim (to be God's one true and official church).
Also, the LDS Church isn't a protestant church (if what it teaches is fact/true). It claims no ties to any existing church, that it's God and Christ's church (the full gospel) restored to Earth after being gone since the death of the original 12 Apostles.
When Debi and I compared Monson and the Pope in this thread we were only saying both are leaders of a large church, and as such the American President tends to visit either one when in their city (SLC or Rome... or if the Pope is visiting America).
But IF Monson is indeed who and what he's claimed to be, a true and living prophet of God (just like Moses and others from the Bible, same authority etc.) then he's the one with true authority from God rather than the Pope.
Either both churches are wrong OR one of them is right, they both can't be right/correct in what they each claim (to be God's one true and official church).
Also, the LDS Church isn't a protestant church (if what it teaches is fact/true). It claims no ties to any existing church, that it's God and Christ's church (the full gospel) restored to Earth after being gone since the death of the original 12 Apostles.
When Debi and I compared Monson and the Pope in this thread we were only saying both are leaders of a large church, and as such the American President tends to visit either one when in their city (SLC or Rome... or if the Pope is visiting America).
Boy oh Boy | 4:50 p.m. May 29, 2008
A lot of you here have sure been led "down the primrose path".
That's all.
unegimicated nation? | 4:54 p.m. May 29, 2008
i think that our society wastes too much time playing videos games and doing
nothing. it may help us to read and learn from history, it has an uncanny way
of repeating itself. so much hostility and vitriole are evidence of shallow,
unprepared (uncultivated) and unkempt minds. we probably ought to return to the
good old fashioned days of proper parenting and teaching responsibility...it
might work! it may turn out to be the only hope of curing our hate-filled
society.
John Lambert | 5:02 p.m. May 29, 2008
To the 3:09 commentor:
If you care so little about the LDS Church than why do you even bother to post on this web site?
If you care so little about the LDS Church than why do you even bother to post on this web site?
John Lambert | 5:06 p.m. May 29, 2008
To the poster at 2:59,
You obviosly know nothing of US history. The agreements between the LDS Church and others were negotiated when Benjamin Harrison and Grover Cleaveland were presidents of the United States. You have also failed to distinguish whether people were representing the LDS Church or the territory of Utah or the People's Party.
Secondly, no one is claiming the LDS Church did not oppose the ERA. We are stating that that was a moral and not a political stance and that the church does not sponsor or support specific candidates. How do you explain the fact that four of the church members in congress are Democrats if you think the LDS Church is so pro-Republican?
You obviosly know nothing of US history. The agreements between the LDS Church and others were negotiated when Benjamin Harrison and Grover Cleaveland were presidents of the United States. You have also failed to distinguish whether people were representing the LDS Church or the territory of Utah or the People's Party.
Secondly, no one is claiming the LDS Church did not oppose the ERA. We are stating that that was a moral and not a political stance and that the church does not sponsor or support specific candidates. How do you explain the fact that four of the church members in congress are Democrats if you think the LDS Church is so pro-Republican?
Anonymous | 5:07 p.m. May 29, 2008
To John Lambert -
Are you telling me this is an LDS website?
Are you telling me this is an LDS website?
John Lambert | 5:16 p.m. May 29, 2008
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a protestant church.
It is a church that traces its origin to God revealing his will and restoring
his priesthood to man, not to people trying to protest what was going on in an
existing church.
The comparison of President Monson to the pope is not meant to say that they are similar men, but that their position is similar. It has been so long since President Monson worked as an advertising executive that most of us forget it. He has been the second or third most prominant leader of the church since 1985 and before that had been heavily involved in getting the church early recognition in East Germany including building a temple there. He is a man known for caring for people on a one on one basis and for emphasizing we have to focus on individuals and not just programs. President Monson was first called as an apostle in 1963.
However people would probably compare the current Pope more with President Monson's theoretial succesor (although President Monson is younger and may outlive him) Boyd K. Packer, however I think many misunderstand President Packer.
The comparison of President Monson to the pope is not meant to say that they are similar men, but that their position is similar. It has been so long since President Monson worked as an advertising executive that most of us forget it. He has been the second or third most prominant leader of the church since 1985 and before that had been heavily involved in getting the church early recognition in East Germany including building a temple there. He is a man known for caring for people on a one on one basis and for emphasizing we have to focus on individuals and not just programs. President Monson was first called as an apostle in 1963.
However people would probably compare the current Pope more with President Monson's theoretial succesor (although President Monson is younger and may outlive him) Boyd K. Packer, however I think many misunderstand President Packer.
John Lambert | 5:21 p.m. May 29, 2008
To Anonymous:
Since the LDS Church owns the Deseret News than yes, this is more or less an LDS Website. Well, less, but it does not make sense to come out and say the LDS Church is totally irrelevant and of no significance. This website would not exist without it, as well as many other things.
Since the LDS Church owns the Deseret News than yes, this is more or less an LDS Website. Well, less, but it does not make sense to come out and say the LDS Church is totally irrelevant and of no significance. This website would not exist without it, as well as many other things.
Anonymous | 5:23 p.m. May 29, 2008
I knew I should have never asked.
John Lambert is one of those Mormons where every thing is an opportunity for a (typically windy) testimony.
This guy REALLY DOES think this is an LDS website!!!
John Lambert is one of those Mormons where every thing is an opportunity for a (typically windy) testimony.
This guy REALLY DOES think this is an LDS website!!!
to: one guy | 5:26 p.m. May 29, 2008
You know what I don't get? Your comment. The 12 Articles of Faith are to
follow Hitler or Bush? How did you get that? Please show your thought process,
as it is not making any sense.
Anonymous | 5:29 p.m. May 29, 2008
Monson could much better be described as the CEO. He has no theological
training and represents a "church" that functions as a corporate
entity with tax-exemption.
JMG | 5:34 p.m. May 29, 2008
I am glad we are done with you Mr. Pte Bush
Anonymous | 5:36 p.m. May 29, 2008
Monson was once an advertising guy for this newspaper.
Businessmen are important in our capitalistic system that we enjoy.
I can see why fellow businessman, George W. Bush would be willing to bond with Monson.
Now, ... what the (blank) are we going to do about our economy going down the (blanking) toilet?!!!
Businessmen are important in our capitalistic system that we enjoy.
I can see why fellow businessman, George W. Bush would be willing to bond with Monson.
Now, ... what the (blank) are we going to do about our economy going down the (blanking) toilet?!!!
a dear John letter | 5:39 p.m. May 29, 2008
To John Lambert-
I am not LDS, I read the Deseret News. I like what I read.
I don't think it wise John, to hijack the paper and this website for the advancement of the LDS church.
You have your ward, your stake, etc. for that sort of thing.
Thank you.
I am not LDS, I read the Deseret News. I like what I read.
I don't think it wise John, to hijack the paper and this website for the advancement of the LDS church.
You have your ward, your stake, etc. for that sort of thing.
Thank you.
Anonymous | 5:43 p.m. May 29, 2008
I think President Bush has been very nice and personable on this visit. He
treats all religion equal. I think he visits with the LDS church just like he
would meet with any other religion. Our country was found on basic beliefs
which a lot of Americans have forgot and are ungrateful for. They want to state
their beliefs but don't look at what our forefathers built this nation on.
wrz | 5:47 p.m. May 29, 2008
"The MormonChurch claims it does not get involved in secular politics but
leaves it to the people, which in my lifetime was largely true until the Equal
Rights Amendment came up and for some time the Church was neutral on, that is
until Roe-v-Wade happened, and then the Church rallied its forces in ward and
stake meetings for its members to defeat it. Don't think this happened?
Well... I was in many of these meetings and it did happen!"
The Church will always weigh in on moral issues. And has a perfect right to do so. In fact, many would think the Church remiss if it didn't.
And, by the way, most all churches around the country do the same thing.... And beyond.
The Church will always weigh in on moral issues. And has a perfect right to do so. In fact, many would think the Church remiss if it didn't.
And, by the way, most all churches around the country do the same thing.... And beyond.
Fred | 5:48 p.m. May 29, 2008
"take a guess
1) Its an honor to meet with you.
2) Were praying for you
3) Utah is a beautiful state"
I'll take mine black.
1) Its an honor to meet with you.
2) Were praying for you
3) Utah is a beautiful state"
I'll take mine black.
e=wrz | 5:55 p.m. May 29, 2008
"What happened to avoid 'the very appearance of evil'?"
They avoided you didn't they?
They avoided you didn't they?
Citizen of very little significa | 5:59 p.m. May 29, 2008
Am I the only one who is upset at the arrogance of the presidents traveling in
those 747's?
This morning I heard that there are 4 of them that are identical and then there are I think they said two that are backups. This to me is a government out of control.
Today they announced on one airline, no more peanuts. Thats the way things have gone.
This morning I heard that there are 4 of them that are identical and then there are I think they said two that are backups. This to me is a government out of control.
Today they announced on one airline, no more peanuts. Thats the way things have gone.
wrz | 6:00 p.m. May 29, 2008
"As the entire world receives the news that Bush's own press secretary
has thrown Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Karl Rove under the bus, the Deseret News
finds no place for this story on the front page of this web site."
It's a non-issue. How can a pesky gnat throw an elephant under a bus?
It's a non-issue. How can a pesky gnat throw an elephant under a bus?
wrz | 6:22 p.m. May 29, 2008
"Don't forget George W. Bush favors tax breaks for churches (something
I personally would like to do away with)."
It's not a tax break for churches. It's following the US Constitution which says, essentially, that Congress shall make not law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Taxes would interfere with the free exercise of religion.
It's not a tax break for churches. It's following the US Constitution which says, essentially, that Congress shall make not law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Taxes would interfere with the free exercise of religion.
To "Anonymous" at 9:42 | 6:40 p.m. May 29, 2008
I'm 42 years old and have been a member of the LDS church for over 34 years
and have served in several leadership positions and I just want to know one
thing.....
What in the world are you talking about?!?!....
Are you one of those guys that believe that the Mormons dug a tunnel under the Atlantic Ocean from Englad to America in the 1800's so we could kidnap European women and force them into polygamy?
What in the world are you talking about?!?!....
Are you one of those guys that believe that the Mormons dug a tunnel under the Atlantic Ocean from Englad to America in the 1800's so we could kidnap European women and force them into polygamy?
Cesqy | 6:47 p.m. May 29, 2008
Using taxpayer money and government transportation to attend a $70,000 dollar a
couple fund raiser makes me nauseous. Then a sideline "political"
meeting to endorse Utah's predominate religious leaders made me want to
continue with some dry heaves. I'm starting to get the exact same physical
reaction when I pay my federal and state taxes. A lame duck president pandering
to the rich and the religious voters on the taxpayers dime. Wow what a
country!!!
re: wrz | 7:07 p.m. May 29, 2008
Taxes would interfere with the free exercise of religion????
Not quite, but that�s a good one. ALL non-profit organizations that qualify may obtain federal tax exempt status, and churches are no different. The LDS church has holdings which are both exempt and non-exempt. Tithes and donations are exempt from taxation, but any revenue generated from active or passive business income would be subject to the usual corporate tax rates.
Not quite, but that�s a good one. ALL non-profit organizations that qualify may obtain federal tax exempt status, and churches are no different. The LDS church has holdings which are both exempt and non-exempt. Tithes and donations are exempt from taxation, but any revenue generated from active or passive business income would be subject to the usual corporate tax rates.
Hey Citizen....... | 7:10 p.m. May 29, 2008
Do you always believe everything you hear??
4 Presidential 747's and 2 backups??? gimme a break!!!
Where did you heart that from????
4 Presidential 747's and 2 backups??? gimme a break!!!
Where did you heart that from????
LDS Teacher | 7:11 p.m. May 29, 2008
I don't see my constitutional liberties being taken away, after all,
I'm not a terrorist. Rather, all of this discussion is proof positive that
our civil liberties have not been violated.
Pres. Bush has done more for AIDS in Africa than any other President. Do you see this in the mainstream media? I think not. He is the type of person that does not need to parade his good deeds all over the place as some others tend to do. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has, but remember, the Congress is the most powerful of the branches.
And why not visit the First Presidency when he's in Utah? That seems like a no-brainer. It's common courtesy and a privilege for the President of the United States to visit.
Always interesting to read these discussion boards. So much cynicism and ignorance abound.
Pres. Bush has done more for AIDS in Africa than any other President. Do you see this in the mainstream media? I think not. He is the type of person that does not need to parade his good deeds all over the place as some others tend to do. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has, but remember, the Congress is the most powerful of the branches.
And why not visit the First Presidency when he's in Utah? That seems like a no-brainer. It's common courtesy and a privilege for the President of the United States to visit.
Always interesting to read these discussion boards. So much cynicism and ignorance abound.
Newt | 7:26 p.m. May 29, 2008
To Republican: 11:55am So It's all Bush's fault?
Who's to blame for our high gas prices? The oil companies? The Saudis? OPEC? The answer, unfortunately, is closer to home: The "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress.
Last Thursday, with oil at $124 a barrel, liberals on the Senate Appropriations committee voted to block environmentally sound development of oil shale in Colorado.
there are an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale in the U.S. and Canada. Retrieving just a tenth of it would quadruple our current oil reserves.
But the "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress -- as they're prone to do -- said no, and Americans will pay the price. Colorado Senator Wayne Allard (R) put it best when he said: "If we are really serious about reducing pain at the pump, this is a vote that would make a difference in people's lives."
Who's to blame for our high gas prices? The oil companies? The Saudis? OPEC? The answer, unfortunately, is closer to home: The "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress.
Last Thursday, with oil at $124 a barrel, liberals on the Senate Appropriations committee voted to block environmentally sound development of oil shale in Colorado.
there are an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale in the U.S. and Canada. Retrieving just a tenth of it would quadruple our current oil reserves.
But the "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress -- as they're prone to do -- said no, and Americans will pay the price. Colorado Senator Wayne Allard (R) put it best when he said: "If we are really serious about reducing pain at the pump, this is a vote that would make a difference in people's lives."
anon | 8:51 p.m. May 29, 2008
Politics, religion, and opinions often create hate and anger. Just let it all
go and relax think and act logically without letting your emotions get in the
way. Build upon common ground and form friendship that way future generations
won't suffer like ours have.
Anonymous | 10:39 p.m. May 29, 2008
They spoke briefly about their coalition to fight gay marriage. That is the
number one issue that separates the Republicans and Democrats.
Forget Iraq. Forget oil. Forget the economy. All that is nothing when all the homophobes in all the bigoted religions get together to try to "save the country" from the curse they expect from their God!
There is nothing more powerful than a group of religious fanatics trying to save the world, even if it means killing people, deceiving, and manipulating. After all, the history of Christianity shows that this is so. Why should Christians be any different today?
Forget Iraq. Forget oil. Forget the economy. All that is nothing when all the homophobes in all the bigoted religions get together to try to "save the country" from the curse they expect from their God!
There is nothing more powerful than a group of religious fanatics trying to save the world, even if it means killing people, deceiving, and manipulating. After all, the history of Christianity shows that this is so. Why should Christians be any different today?
Bigot | 11:30 p.m. May 29, 2008
The comments written by "comparisons - 4:14" were not only bigoted,
but flat out hypocritical.
For one thing, Mormon bashers love to attack the LDS Church whenever they discuss numbers, even though they themselves will do it time and time again.
For another, the self-righteuos, condescending words of "comparisons 4:14" shows that in same people's eyes, it's okay to ridicule and attack others, as long as you're doing it to the right people.
And since when does having a great big huge name make somebody important? If I gave my child 11 names, would that make him an automatic genius?
For one thing, Mormon bashers love to attack the LDS Church whenever they discuss numbers, even though they themselves will do it time and time again.
For another, the self-righteuos, condescending words of "comparisons 4:14" shows that in same people's eyes, it's okay to ridicule and attack others, as long as you're doing it to the right people.
And since when does having a great big huge name make somebody important? If I gave my child 11 names, would that make him an automatic genius?
Bonnie | 11:30 p.m. May 29, 2008
To Colorado:
No...I don't put Bush and Pres. Monson in the "same class", but I DO KNOW "good men".
My eyes are very open....and what can I say to YOUR to let YOU realize how wrong you are for believing all the left-wing mumbo jumbo! I have been given a great brain and can think for myself and don't depend on ANY news media for my personal feelings and impressions. I can't understand how you can't see how the Democratic Congress has made all the decisions that makes Pres. Bush look bad. It was the Republic Congress that made Bill C. look good and he was a scoundrel.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
No...I don't put Bush and Pres. Monson in the "same class", but I DO KNOW "good men".
My eyes are very open....and what can I say to YOUR to let YOU realize how wrong you are for believing all the left-wing mumbo jumbo! I have been given a great brain and can think for myself and don't depend on ANY news media for my personal feelings and impressions. I can't understand how you can't see how the Democratic Congress has made all the decisions that makes Pres. Bush look bad. It was the Republic Congress that made Bill C. look good and he was a scoundrel.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
Idaho | 12:07 a.m. May 30, 2008
So Bonnie, which of the MANY things that make Bush look bad should the Dems take
credit for. The war in Iraq? - no, that one's his. The dismantling of the
Constitution? - no, his again. The reponse to Katrina? - nope, that was all
Dubya.
See gray, Bonnie. See gray.
See gray, Bonnie. See gray.
Dale Newton | 12:13 a.m. May 30, 2008
Thanks to "Colorado" for a well written and honest comment. And to
the many naive or silly comments from others - it is only expected and natural
for the leader of the free world - George Bush [whether you like his policies
and decisions or not] to meet with a prophet of God and the President of the
dominant religion in Utah when visiting Salt Lake City - this was nothing
nefarious or "sneeky". In fact, a prayer for continued guidance,
offered by Thomas Monson, would have been a most proper action during the
meeting.
All Unamerican | 9:56 a.m. May 30, 2008
Listen to all of you! Conspiracy theories, bigotry, hateful protest... This is
AMERICA! One of our greatest respects, or what used to be, is that we are a land
of tolerance, equality, and unity. Are different opinions good? They're
necessary! But this comment board (along with any other hot forum) clearly
states otherwise. All you people who picket church gatherings, military funerals
or presidential visits cannot call yourselves American. You are free to believe
and speak as you choose, but your violent tirades encourage nothing but disunity
and anarchy. Like death threats, freedom of speech is abused by these actions.
Set aside your differences, regardless of offense, and make it clear why our
country is called the "United States of America."
Thanks Gordon - 1st page | 10:07 a.m. May 30, 2008
Good comment. Thank you.
I can see a lot of good Bush has done but I am not blinded by my hatred for everything and everybody around me, especially those with more power than me.
I can see a lot of good Bush has done but I am not blinded by my hatred for everything and everybody around me, especially those with more power than me.
Not Asleep | 10:56 a.m. May 30, 2008
To Colorado: Major Dittos-- you are speaking the truth well (no inflammatory
language, no republican vs democrat wool pulled over your eyes, raw truth).
Pres Bush is not the man that he appears to be even from the prespective of the
main stream media. The church's visit with him is purely perfunctory. The
Book of Mormon is the blueprint for our time-- thank goodness for that great
book and the book of Isaiah not to mention the whole canon.
Anonymous | 7:14 p.m. May 30, 2008
Bush meets with First Presidency.
And this is supposed to be a GOOD thing?
And this is supposed to be a GOOD thing?
re: All UnAmerican | 12:14 a.m. May 31, 2008
Mathew 23:24
' Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel '
I couldn't agree with you more - some people on this message board and what's worse - many across the country - get all fittered at any minor action a president makes and they do an ultra job at reading between the lines and all that and it's just incredible how pathetically unAmerican behavior like that is... There was a time when a president was honored by virtue that he was the president of the United States. . . Bill Clinton has done more damage for the image of the American male then any person that comes to mind. I'd venture to say the Hillary would do more damage to the image of the American woman then anyone else as well. - I wonder what the founding fathers would have to say about modern politics... (one thing for sure they'd hash immediately would be property taxes) - Whatever America is we live in great and horrible times - we certainly do.
' Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel '
I couldn't agree with you more - some people on this message board and what's worse - many across the country - get all fittered at any minor action a president makes and they do an ultra job at reading between the lines and all that and it's just incredible how pathetically unAmerican behavior like that is... There was a time when a president was honored by virtue that he was the president of the United States. . . Bill Clinton has done more damage for the image of the American male then any person that comes to mind. I'd venture to say the Hillary would do more damage to the image of the American woman then anyone else as well. - I wonder what the founding fathers would have to say about modern politics... (one thing for sure they'd hash immediately would be property taxes) - Whatever America is we live in great and horrible times - we certainly do.
Herbert Hoover | 1:03 p.m. May 31, 2008
It would be interesting to know if there was
some discussion and praying in the meeting of the
President of the USA with the First Presidency of the LDS Church ABOUT the rising GAS PRICES. If
this daily nickel or more RISING doesn't stop it
will TANK the economy!!
This Recession will only get worse to the point of creating Another Great GREAT DEPRESSION. One not need to be a prophet to see this coming.
I fear that George W. Bush might go down
(in the history books) like Herbert Hoover of
the early 1930's.
I hope not, and I urge all praying type people to
do what they can too.
I'm registered as Republican, but I have not yet decided who gets my vote in November.
Thank You and God Bless...
some discussion and praying in the meeting of the
President of the USA with the First Presidency of the LDS Church ABOUT the rising GAS PRICES. If
this daily nickel or more RISING doesn't stop it
will TANK the economy!!
This Recession will only get worse to the point of creating Another Great GREAT DEPRESSION. One not need to be a prophet to see this coming.
I fear that George W. Bush might go down
(in the history books) like Herbert Hoover of
the early 1930's.
I hope not, and I urge all praying type people to
do what they can too.
I'm registered as Republican, but I have not yet decided who gets my vote in November.
Thank You and God Bless...
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Why do people complain about the LDS church?
Perhaps it could be explained this way:
How do you think you'd feel if you were living in Iran or Saudi Arabia where a theocracy exists?