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Ruling: Some FLDS children must go back; dissent says teenage girls remain at risk
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I'm glad the Texas Supreme Court could see that.
I have to admit, I didn't have a great deal of faith the Texas Supreme Court would follow Texas law and slap the CPS down. Kudos to them that they saw through the state actions for what they were: child theft.
To all those that think marrying a 16 year old is wrong...clean your own houses first..there are hundreds of girls younger having sex in your schools..i suggest you stop that first and quite picking on others you see as easy targets.
With gay marriage and the legalization of sodomy..polygamy will be legal soon as well..a lot of you critics already live like polygamists already anyway.
in a month, when all the 12-14 yr old girls are being paired up with their uncles - I hope you can live with yourselves.
now that the kids have seen the outside, I imagine there will be a lot more FLDS child suicides. If I was 14 yr old girl, I'd rather be dead than have sex with my uncle.....
I am glad to see the higher Court RULE
Hurray
Now for Utah Courts to follow suit!
Who are these Judges and Lawyers that are hiding in the background?
The ones making the kids and all the money?
Seriously, do you people have any idea how contemptible that attitude is?
You assume every LDS in Utah has negative feelings toward the FLDS. One does not have to agree with their teachings to recognize that Texas overstepped it's legal responsibilities to do what they did to those poor children and parents.
no one cares about polygamy, if they would just not do it to 14 yr olds.....
This is AMERICA. Children should not be forced into things that affect their entire life (like marrying their uncle or having babies at 14). They should be able to choose their own path, yet that is the LAST thing these FLDS parents want.
if you are for FLDS, then you are for child slavery. No other way to look at it, and no need to respond. It is what it is. Nothing you can say will change these FACTS.
PS. I had no idea how the FLDS felt about Black people. (just found out today) If they're going to continue to impregnate their own uni-browed teen girls, then I suppose changing the racial mindset is out of the question.
Hooray for anti-family busting justice... two middle fingers with sparkling jewelry for the FLDS system of belief.
I am so through commenting on these people
It's a shame these folks can't do what's right on their own, but have to be FORCED.
I sincerly hope that the FLDS sue the ever loving snot out of these people. The pigeons always come home to roost.
Remember their motto? Don't mess with Texas? This "mess" will get messier before it's all done.
With luck and godspeed, the children have not been too severly modified. I would hate it if my 13 yr old niece no longer wants to have sex with me.
Thanks again!
The are not honest, (there are SOME good ones) and I can totally see the state of Texas going into the ranch and having them lie up and down.. It must have been frustrating for them, so the state said, fine, lets take them all.
Im sure there was Zero cooperation on the FLDS part.
Most of the rumors you hear about the FLDS are true.
They are nutty.
To the person that said that they are mormons, give me a break. There is about 1% similarity. Yes they read the BofM, thats about where it ends. They derive a totally different doctrine.
Priestood leadership, Missionary work, temples, the nature of God, revelation, education, civic duties, The roll of Jesus Christ, Womens Rights/Rolls, I could go on and on.. They are 99% different. Fact is, Its hard to see any resemblance.
At the same time, there was some good that came of it because now there is enough attention on this issue that it won't go away, and eventually they will get to the bottom of things.
What I'm saying is...things will work out.
There are plenty of LDS women on Prozac, there are lots of stats to back that up. But then again, there are a lot of people in general on Prozac. That's not meant to be perjorative.
Regardless of my reservations about some FLDS doctrines, this ruling seems correct.
Also, the LDS church is not to be condemned for not speaking out and demanding anything at all in this case. They do not operate like the Reverend Al Sharpton. They followed their standard procedure of not offering a position on what was really a political and legal issue. Certainly, it had to do with families, freedom of religion, and law, but the LDS church has already stated where it stands on those issues and there was no need for them to comment on this case specifically. That is not the modus operandi of the LDS church. It followed an internally consistent course of action to say, "we are not the same as them," (which is one of the reasons it's a little funny to see all the "from one Mormon to another" comments) but then to allow the legal issues to play out in the legal arena.
oh - wait - we tried that and everyone clammored about the parents rights. (guess child rights don't count)
Now lets go after the Judge and Texas authorities that went past their authority and prosecute them for the illegal things they did under color of state authority. The Judge should at the very least lose her job and should be dis-barred. The state needs to tell these CPS employees that they don't have any right or responsibility to take children from a mis-understood religious organization. For those that believe this was just a civil matter you should know that Typically CPS in every state oversteps their authority all the time. Nobody ever complains because these storm troopers can make their life really miserable if these thugs want to.
The whole system width and breadth needs to be redone. You can't pay people to have compassion, this work needs to be done by compassionate service organizations.These don't necessarily have to be religious organizations but it might be a good start.
Sadly these children will never be the same and the states needs to reimburse them for their psychological damages. Then when they are done with the state start suing the stuffing out of the individuals that were involved in this treacherous act. JUSTICE HAS WON .
I saw someone here say it was a sad day that the FLDS would get their children back. I don't want anyone to have to live in the kind of abusive environment they may be subjected to at the Ranch, but the saddest day is the one in which the only way to protect someone that the state and its agencies can find involves violation of due process and a person's Constitutional rights, herding up whole communities and treating criminalizing the victims.
Now they just need to go after the FLDS sex perverts. This is what the Texas authorities should have done in the first place.....GO AFTER THE FLDS MEN AND THEIR SICK PERVERSIONS!!!
decisions on behalf of all families everywhere.
The validation of parental rights has occurred.
Fathers and mothers have constitutional rights and
due process protections.
I am proud of the lawyers and the legal aid society
that defended these families. I think they
were being persecuted for their religious beliefs.
If anyone has been to family court or gone through
an ordeal with CPS, you will understand the strong
arm, sometimes corrupt tactics, used to circumvent
our inalienable rights. In those instances, families
get destroyed. Finally, the Texas Supreme Court has
said enough is enough. The subjective view of
what is good parenting should not be the domain
of just politically correct, in many instances potentially atheistic, social workers and judges.
The court made the right decision, of course, but what is disturbing is that it was not unanimous.
As a frequent poster I have learned that sometimes you need to be patient. You'll notice if you could have waited a few more minutes it would have been there. From my experience, it may take a LONG time but it will get there. I've never had a comment rejected and I sometimes get WAY out there.
One question... Why all the venom for the church?
You claim to be a member of the church, yet you go off on "You utah mormons" ... "when LDS come to our ward from utah or Idaho, it turns my stomach with the attitude you people have, we lowly converts are not good enough, for you were born into the church....i want to vomit with that self righteousness".
That attitude doesn't sound like it comes from any christian I've ever met (BTW We're all converts) and it sounds like you may have your own little problem with self reightouseness (and paranoia).
I read your comment and don't see why you were so upset that it didn't get posted. It seemed a pointless-rant to me.
This doesn't mean we ignore any laws that were broken by anyone on the ranch, it just means we won't tolerate an agency like CPS operating way beyond their legal bounds (even if the people they are affecting are considered by CPS to be "a religious cult").
I'm sure many in Texas would also consider me to be a member of a religious cult (some have told me that) so I think it's important to monitor stuff like this and insure the court's decisions are respected by these rogue agencies in order to keep government agencies in check.
But brace yourselves as we all learn the meaning of "fair". If gay marriage is allowed, surely legalizing polygamy can not be far behind. After all its just a lifestyle choice. right?
In the end, the only thing that they will be able to prosecute is underage marriage.
The FLDS MUST STOP THIS PRACTICE OF UNDERAGE MARRAGE.
The Abusers when proven need to have there A**'s thrown in Jail. Who in the HE** GIVES YOU THAT RIGHT !
Just because you have a problem and think it's fine that old men marry young girls doesn't make it right. You FLDS men take the rights and choices away from those young girls by forcing them to marry old men. What could be more repulsive! As far as teenagers some do and some don't. They still have the right to make choices of their own and are not forced into sicko marriages. So what's it to you anyway?
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