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Ruling: Some FLDS children must go back; dissent says teenage girls remain at risk

Is Texas worried that no other state would try to annihalate a religious group like they have, without law or order? Are they concerned the people will run to someone who is less cruel than they are,and will abide by the Constitution as they have not done?

Come on America, stand up for freedom! Look what is happening. They are removing prayer from schools, the Ten Commandments from the courthouses, "In God We Trust" from our money system. Where does it end? Soon they will be after every religion that professes to believe in Christ. Our nation is becoming Anti-Christ. Soon there will be no religious freedom in America. The Constitution gone and lost forever!

Dear Con Cerned American,

I totally agree with you that our nation is becoming Anti-Christ. After all, what could be more Anti-Christ than a so-called prophet having sex with 12-year old girls?

Have a nice day!

Hoping a positive ruling will come out of the court today and the children will be returned to the parents.

Why not remove all children in LDS families, where mother is on prozac in Utah? I am also sure the underage girls who are LDS are having children way under age as witnessed by LDS social services ads on tv offering them alternatives to abortion. why is it on these boards one cannot truly express one's opinion, but must have the Deseret News monitor free speech, one of our basic rights??? How hypocritical of LDS to judge the FLDS, they are Mormon just like US AND I SUPPORT THEM. I pray each flds child is returned, if any abuse occured, prosecute yes, but LDS is only concerned that the flds is not confused with flds for our proselytizing efforts...how pathetic and heartless. From the beginning those Texas folk were quoted in El Dorado as saying: "That would make a mighty fine courthouse, " i say sue the State of Texas and Cps extend the Ranch and vote every last one of them OUT. Idiots who think the flds would leave their beautiful temple. I wonder how many LDS will leave the church due to our lack of love and doing nothing to help flds?

A two day hearing within a few days of initial seizure can't possible cover 450 children especially when the parents refuse to tell the court the relationships between the children and adults and where they live. Documents such as birth certificates were not available. Trust could not be established due to lying and this made it difficult to tell which information was believable.

Just a couple days ago, we saw another example of the difficulty of obtaining necessary information when Louisa Bradshaw Jessop stated under oath that basically she didn't know who she lived with.

While it is true that law enforcement typically goes after the men, the women have made their daughters available for abuse. For example, Elissa Wall's mother does nothing to prevent the marriage and probably helped with wedding preparations. The mothers also interfered with the CPS investigation. So, it became necessary for the women to be parted from their children.

It's understandable that the men were willing to leave the ranch because they left the state. The women didn't offer to leave the ranch. Plus, CPS did not have the ability to staff a ranch including complex utility systems within days.

It still not matter what the court says the final word will come from the Federal courts on what is due process for If the FLDS loses it will go to the Feds.where the judges are not elected but will go by the constitution so the Texas court is looking for a way to satisfy the Federal court.If it is appealed no child can be adoptive out so Texas will be paying for the next few years so let the children go go after the men who broke the law the children have broken no laws.

Returning the children to their mothers does not necessarily give custody back to the parents nor does it stop any ongoing investigation. The court can order the parents not to remove the children and even if they flee, they can be found and returned.
I mean, seriously, how easy is it to spot someone in a long sleeved pastel dress with black stockings and up-do hair styles? It isn't like they can hide very well now is it?

Constitution?? The Constitution is what says you can't have prayer in PUBLIC schools. The ten commandments are old testament Jewish property laws are you Jewish?
Are you Christian? Then you don't even have the old testament. It's new Testament for your group or do you pick and choose whatever fits the situation.

There IS Religious Freedom, There isn't Freedom to tell others they MUST be like you or else.

In this Texas case, someone believed the lies and stories about those "wicked" folks that are NOT like us.

I see comments on here that are abusive, offensive, off topic, misrepesentative ALL THE TIME. why did you not put my post on? I was just voicing my opinion..You utah mormons are too much. when LDS come to our ward from utah or Idaho, it turns my stomach with the attitude you people have, we lowly converts are not good enough, for you were born into the church....i want to vomit with that self righteousness....why not live our religion and allow our fundamentsl rights of free speech on this board???? You allow constant name calling et al on these boards, but God forbid if one is to criticize your monitoring or anything against the LDS church...I am a faithful member and will always be, but have my own MIND, THANK YOU...sue texas and cps dogs and expand the ranch bringing in thousands of voters and take over El Dorado, how abou that? Sounds simple to me. All LDS were for Romney, whose wife gave to planned parrenthood, (abortion) and he is a good mormon? Pleeeeese. May the Lord Bless the FLDS, really, LDS and DN believes all the lies against them? what about our own history?

Any public high school in America might have a pregnant 15-year-old, not just in school but maybe playing flute in the band. Does acceptance of that fact mean that the other hundreds of kids in the same school are at imminent risk of harm? Heck no!

Please Texas Supreme Court make it stop! Give the kids back and let them all just go home!!

To Con Cerned American:

If the FLDS wasn't forcing underage girls into marriages with older men for their sexual pleasure they wouldn't have anything to worry about.

And you can blame the ACLU for the rest of your rant not the Texas CPS.

JDN: "our nation becoming anti-christ"

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Our nation is neutral towards religion. Whether your christ or their prophet or someone else's guru. We are a nation which tolerates religion. First and foremost we are a secular nation. A nation of laws. Not a theocracy.

To Lilathe: It is pretty easy for them to hide in parts of Utah and Arizona, as well as Canada and Mexico, where they can blend in with other sect members. If they are in Utah or AZ, TX may be able to get them back. In general, Mexico and Canada make it very difficult to get anyone extradited. Canada is currently harboring the head of a weird Jewish child abusing sect (physical violence "to save their souls", not sex) in Israel and blocking efforts to get him back. I assure you that you could pick him and his burqa wearing wife out of the crowd, but that doesn't help bring him to justice and it doesn't stop the abuse of the children by his followers either--only taking the kids out of the home does that. Sadly, a lot of horrible things are done to children in God's name. The problem is that it is hard to protect the children while respecting religions in which child abuse seems endemic to the belief system, whether they are FLDS, Jehovah's WItnesses or a cultic Ultra Orthodox Jewish sect.

Thank You DN...for putting my posts on. We are all up in arms about these beautiful children. THANK YOU. i WAS SEPERATED FROM MY PARENTS AS A CHILD, SO I DO TAKE THIS SEPERATION OF THE CHILDREN VERY SERIOUSLY. The Lord Bless for your goodness and kindness to let all opinions be heard. THANKS AGAIN

Expanding on Ray's comment. What have they found 5 girls who were pregnant as teens? As a percentage that is much much lower than the percentage of African American and Latino girls who become pregnant as teens. I wonder if Texas is planning to take all of there children.

This is a total miscarriage of justice. Their
constitutional rights and due process rights were
violated. CPS admitted that they were using the
FLDS belief system as their basis for removal.
They are using the usual cadre of false allegations,
innuendo and assumptions. I know many Americans
dislike their lifestyle, but the issue of violating
these families rights is one for every person to
notice. Generally wealthy, politically connected parents, r friends of CPS will never have to worry abou the Nazi-like,miltaristic attack and removal of their children, only the poor, disenfranchised or religously obscure need to be alarmed at the potential for such a traumatic intrusion by the
state, any state.

God Bless Texas!! You can't find them with there prairie dresses in a community of 10,000. Don't let the kids go back. The FLDS worship Warren Jeffs they feel whats good for the prophet is good for us. I can only imagine the hurt those little girls went thru on there wedding night. When they had relations with Warren. Alot of you on here think its a ok.

You people are blinded. I am a Christian and I can see the reality of this situation. This is about their religion because they claim to follow the True Jesus Christ. If you think the antichrist isn't coming soon than you are wrong. This type of treatment of religion is the antichrist. If you don't want to face it because you haven't suddenly disappeared yet well you better get ready because things are getting worse here and your faith will be tested just like all others who follow our Savior. Your religion will conform to what antichrist or you will be stamped out. Better strengthen your faith and stop judging those families,only God knows their hearts not you or I. I pray that we can take our test as well as they are!

Interested persons may wish to read the "Story Graphic" attached to this article. It is a "Texas Supreme Court Brief" prepared by attorneys Amy Warr and Robert Doggett. The brief clearly presents reasons why the Texas CPS broke state law and why the children must be returned. This brief is comprehensive and excellent.

Yo Christinaq, put down the story book!

The story book was written to make a tidy profit, and it looks like it's working.

The writer is an ex-drug addict who has never been to the YFZ Ranch, and the only pregnant 14-year-old found, turns out to have been a made-up lie by DFS. No pregnant 14-year-olds were found in real life, just in the story.

Put down the story book, it's a story it's not evidence!!!