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Texas fires back with photos in FLDS case

If the CPS can not tell the age of a person when they have them in custody. How can they tell it from a photograph. For that matter where is the photo. Sounds to like CPS is clutching at straws, and will use any underhanded dirty trick to get their way

Jeffs is safely housed in Draper, so ALL the children are still not in imminent and immediate danger. As the FLDS expert and the psychiatrist stated in court, all the children should not be removed since all are not in danger. The only risk is those girls that are prepubescent. The court removed ALL the children regardless. While the picture causes a knee-jerk reaction, it changes nothing.
The question given the mother was:
Have you done anything to prevent an underage marriage? Her response, as would be expected: "I don't Know."
Now I ask you: Have you done anything to prevent the murder of your mother?
Only a savvy person could follow that question and answer appropriately while under the stress of having had a child/children removed.

Why also are they refusing to answer where the picture was found? If it was found using the search warrant, then it will eventually be tossed since the warrant was not valid per the Court of Appeals.

-Agnostic mom of 3

The state is refusing to say where they obtained the pictures. I will wager they found them using the warrant which the Court of Appeals determined invalid. The CPS case is tanking, especially when they force a woman that only gave birth a week ago to testify to gain her child back. I am sure the mother isn't at all emotionally charged and physically impacted by this...rolls eyes.

What I can't figure out is why the State of Texas CPS has not raided some of the inner city neighborhoods of Houston and Dallas. Many young girls there are impregnated on a regular basis, and, seemingly encouraged to do so as this will increase the income on their welfare checks. There seems to be a cultural bias in some of these neighborhoods that promotes the impregnation of young women, WITHOUT marriage and all of the responsability that that entails. If social cultural mores are sufficient rationale for removing children from their families, why do we have any babies in any inner city having mothers less than 17 years of age?

If CPS has decided that MS. Bradshaw is an adult, why is she still in their custody? If she is an adult as they now have decided, why isn't she free to go?

Any time the government is rounding up hundreds of citizens for anything, we all should be alarmed.

The Child Protection Services failed to meet their legal burden in the trial court, and the case was reversed.

If they had further evidence, the time to introduce that was at trial, not when the appellate courts are slaming them.

This is obviously now about playing to the public.

as far as i am concerned...cps is full of lies to get their way. i know i have dealt with them and they do nothing but destroy familes and send them to doctors, counselors, ect. these people dont help they just want the money they are paid. the children have more harm done to them than help. they loose respect for their family because families are not allowed to talk to them about the situation. only cps is allowed to talk to them and tell them what they want them to know, coerce them into saying what they want them to say so that they can get the texas court to do what they want. the judges and such dont ever talk to the children let alone see them, they only get to hear what cps has to say about the situation. i hope the supreme court stands up for families and take cps down a few notches because they are the ones that put the children in terrible situations.

I've seen lots of pictures of Presidential candidates kissing babies and children on the lips exactly like that. Is CPS investigating them for child abuse? One candidate, George Bush, is from Texas!!! Go get him!
Just goodle image: Bush kissing Child; or Bush Kissing baby! there's Tons and tons! to of evidence!
Does CPS know the names of the people who are in the same house as Louisa Jessop's children, or the other FLDS children? Does the CPS know these residents of foster care personally? Is CPS worried about the dangers that foster life presents to these children? Apparently; only when children are with their own families is the CPS concerned even though there's a terrible history of abuse in Texas foster homes.

That's no 12 yr. old. Look at her hands. Cps is going to pay big time with all the lawsuits. If this girl was truly 12, I could see being in an uproar...I wouldn't put it past CPS to doctor the picture up, they're desperate now that Appeals court struck their ruling DOWN, DOWN, DOWN....LOL ROF. POOR CHILDREN NEED TO BE REUNITED WITH THEIR MOTHERS.

One of the questions this article raises is why are parents not answering simple questions? These are questions the judge and everyone else in the courtroom know that normal adults can answer. Given that many people have been uncooperative, one must wonder whether the FLDS leadership is threatening these parents not to tell anyone anything. All of this evasiveness on television and in the courtroom is given the impression that there is rampant illegal behavior that must be hidden from view of the outside world. It is clear that they wouldn't want to answer questions about the marriage of a twelve year-old girl to an adult male or that they live in the home of a person who has been accused in writing of practicing very serious child abuse. So, what is the deal with Colorado? Was this man responsible for protecting Warren Jeffs while he was on the run? Is there a secret hideaway where other men avoiding Texas prosecution may be currently located?

The photo printed here is not nearly the worst of the photos. At least one other photo shows these two making out. It looked like child pornography.

How can you live in the same area as your little sister and not know if she is married to someone you consider to be a "perfect" "prophet"? If families are so important then how do you miss your sisters wedding?
It seems the witnesses are using the "I don't know" answers to invoke the 5th ammendment....

asked if she would allow her daughter to be married at age 13...Jessop answered NO...NOT RIGHT NOW !!
Just wondering..would her answer of been YES..if the raid on the compound had not taken place " NOT RIGHT NOW". hmmmmmmm

Well, those women in the photograph are hopefully Warrens daughters. They definitely look 20 to 30 years younger than Warren Jeffs. They just need to identify the women in the photos.

Why wont they let FLDS present evidence?

Really folks, is this the best they can do, I have a few questions,
1. How old is the Photo? We don�t know
2. How old is the Women in it? From what we know of FLDS and CPS one could assume she is 27 year old minor. Don�t two adults have the right to do as they please, if they don�t, we are all in trouble.
3. How did they get it? (Is this evidence from the ranch being leaked? if so Texas has stooped to an all time low in criminal investigation practices.
The fact that there putting out this kind of attack, tell any intelligent mind that they are desperate. If this is evidence why not use it in Court to bring some justice instead of smearing it all over the web?

We can't see the face of the girl in the photo to even guess at her age. We don't know where or when the picture was taken, whether it is genuine, or where and how CPS got the picture. We don't know whether the girl is married to the man. And I don't see that there is any proof that this picture has anything to do with this individual case! I don't think most judges would accept such a photo as evidence of anything. For all we know, this is a father kissing his daughter--we don't kiss our children on the lips in our family, but I know many families that do--and in public, too.
And no, I'm not FLDS, and I am afraid that Warren Jeffs has been a terrible leader to the FLDS, many of whom do revere him as their prophet. But believing that he is their prophet at this minute doesn't mean that he will remain their leader, or that his followers will continue to do so. After all, he has said himself that he isn't a prophet.
THis couple is willing to leave the ranch with their children--let them leave.

CPS is an abusive layer of bureaucracy that needs to be made to obey the consitituional protections guaranteed to all Americans--even unpopular ones.

And it's obvious that this judge has already made up her mind--she sounds more like a lawyer for CPS than she does a judge whose duty is to weigh evidence. This couple will never get their children back under her rule.

I'm not sure how to judge a kissing photograph but I've seen countless pictures of politicians kissing children and infants, often on the lips. This includes presidential candidates. Any search engine with images will show countless examples of such 'evidence'.
If this is the CPS great smoking gun, then they're shooting duds.

Looking at the pictures, it looks like 2 different females to me. The one being kissed looks pregnant, the other does not. Then again maybe the dress hides it in the one picture.

What these pictures have to do with anything is also a puzzle. If my Bishop kissed and copulated with an underage girl, and lived next door to me in the flat I live in, would that mean in America they would be allowed to take my children away from me? Here in the Netherlands I would expect it not to be allowed.

She doesn't look 12 to me, but obviously is a minor. It still makes me sick...to see that evil man doing his thing. Yes, he should be in jail.

FLDS men, I have been somewhat on the fence. But if you support this man as a prophet of God...forget it. No more defending you.