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Texas fires back with photos in FLDS case
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The question given the mother was:
Have you done anything to prevent an underage marriage? Her response, as would be expected: "I don't Know."
Now I ask you: Have you done anything to prevent the murder of your mother?
Only a savvy person could follow that question and answer appropriately while under the stress of having had a child/children removed.
Why also are they refusing to answer where the picture was found? If it was found using the search warrant, then it will eventually be tossed since the warrant was not valid per the Court of Appeals.
-Agnostic mom of 3
The Child Protection Services failed to meet their legal burden in the trial court, and the case was reversed.
If they had further evidence, the time to introduce that was at trial, not when the appellate courts are slaming them.
This is obviously now about playing to the public.
Just goodle image: Bush kissing Child; or Bush Kissing baby! there's Tons and tons! to of evidence!
Does CPS know the names of the people who are in the same house as Louisa Jessop's children, or the other FLDS children? Does the CPS know these residents of foster care personally? Is CPS worried about the dangers that foster life presents to these children? Apparently; only when children are with their own families is the CPS concerned even though there's a terrible history of abuse in Texas foster homes.
The photo printed here is not nearly the worst of the photos. At least one other photo shows these two making out. It looked like child pornography.
It seems the witnesses are using the "I don't know" answers to invoke the 5th ammendment....
Just wondering..would her answer of been YES..if the raid on the compound had not taken place " NOT RIGHT NOW". hmmmmmmm
1. How old is the Photo? We don�t know
2. How old is the Women in it? From what we know of FLDS and CPS one could assume she is 27 year old minor. Don�t two adults have the right to do as they please, if they don�t, we are all in trouble.
3. How did they get it? (Is this evidence from the ranch being leaked? if so Texas has stooped to an all time low in criminal investigation practices.
The fact that there putting out this kind of attack, tell any intelligent mind that they are desperate. If this is evidence why not use it in Court to bring some justice instead of smearing it all over the web?
And no, I'm not FLDS, and I am afraid that Warren Jeffs has been a terrible leader to the FLDS, many of whom do revere him as their prophet. But believing that he is their prophet at this minute doesn't mean that he will remain their leader, or that his followers will continue to do so. After all, he has said himself that he isn't a prophet.
THis couple is willing to leave the ranch with their children--let them leave.
And it's obvious that this judge has already made up her mind--she sounds more like a lawyer for CPS than she does a judge whose duty is to weigh evidence. This couple will never get their children back under her rule.
If this is the CPS great smoking gun, then they're shooting duds.
What these pictures have to do with anything is also a puzzle. If my Bishop kissed and copulated with an underage girl, and lived next door to me in the flat I live in, would that mean in America they would be allowed to take my children away from me? Here in the Netherlands I would expect it not to be allowed.
FLDS men, I have been somewhat on the fence. But if you support this man as a prophet of God...forget it. No more defending you.
I am so glad they made this picture public because it puts everything in perspective to me. If this is really what is going on, hello. Put all of those men in jail where they belong. And put their pictures on the sex offender registry.
These people don't have to say a word. They can plead the Fifth. And should.
and the FLDS is suing the CPS;
I'd wager they'll be far more evidence of abuse under CPS care than the meager photo that the CPS claims is...? what evactly, idk.
There are ample professional witnesses to the abuse heaped on FLDS members under CPS care, there is ample proof of abuse in fosters homes.
This CPS's attack is their Pearl Harbor;
when the FLDS counter, it will be Hiroshima.
stay tuned, the fireworks will begin...
As far as them demanding that the baby stay in state custody - they want it to adopt out as soon as they can.
You are probably FLDS. Because your argument shows through;
"I bet a good percentage of the kids raised mainstream would still end up having babies at a young age, depending on the neighborhood of their foster family."
They might be having babies elsewhere, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the FLDS LEADER of an ORGANIZED religion is not only molesting children, but encouraging others to molest children. And the people that he is encouraging to molest children don't view it as molesting children.
So anyways, this is where I draw the line. I agree that there are other teen pregnancies. But where this is an organization with money,and the means to keep going, it has to stop somewhere doesn't it?
Stop defending the FLDS. Warren Jeffs has ruined the church, and it HAS TO STOP. They are still following him (just look at the visitors he gets in jail).
Look at the blurred background and straight lines in the hair. The computer program is called "photoshop".
You are all correct, that one would not find photographs like these ... they are computer generated.
It is Mr. Dan Jessop. This man knows that his 12 year old sister was raped by Warren Jeffs. What is his reaction? To cover up by claiming to not know that they are "married".
This man clearly thinks that his loyalty to Warren Jeffs trumps the trauma to his sister.
That is the fundamental problem with the FLDS. They are so deep in to the trance that they will do anything --- anything -- to protect their leaders and lifestyle.
That is why Texas was justified in doing what it did. Hopefully, the Texas Supreme Court will step in and save this kids from the deviancy perpetuated by their parents and the other adults.
Anyway, Jeffs did not live at YFZ ranch and he has resigned as head of the FLDS Church so how is anything he did relevant?
If the Texas CPS had proceeded in a deliberate, rational manner to present this evidence in court from the beginning, I wouldn't have questioned it. Their behavior up to now, however, has undermined the confidence I would otherwise have had in their veracity. I still think it likely that these photos are relevant evidence that Warren Jeffs is a child molester, although the bigotry and dishonesty that CPS has demonstrated raise at least some question about the truthfulness of the pictures. Still, I believe they probably are real pictures. That said, they are no evidence at all about Ms. Bradshaw and Mr. Jessop, who said they thought the activity was "disgusting", among other things, and that they were unaware of it. That's the point those of on this blog who are against CPS are making: not that no one in the FLDS religion is guilty of child abuse, but that certainly not everyone is, and the government must charge individuals and prove those charges, just like they must for every other crime in America.
Anyway, since the CPS thought a 27-year-old was no older than 17, than maybe this lady is 22.
Anyway, how can they introduce evidence without saying how they got it? Was CPS following Jeffs and not telling the FBI where he was? This is all very suspicious.
I have to agree that the way the CPS treated the interaction of Dan and Louisa was disturbing. Since there is no evidence that Jessop has another wife I find the whole episode questionable. Their marriage is not legal in Texas but they may qualify as being married under common law.
My best explanation is that CPS has told Louisa if she does not keep in their custody they will not give her back her other children.
Secondly, remember that Merrill Jessop is a bigtime polygamist. Just because the girl in the picture is Dan's sister does not mean he knows her very well. Also, with the recent crack-down on polygamists in Utah and Arizona and Warren Jeffs having been on the run from the FBI for so long, quite probably no one knows who all is married to Warren Jeffs.
"It's not helping" the government and the Courts should not tolerate such a fabrication.
You need to take responsibility and then people will listen to you.
I know more than 2,000 members in the LDS church, So 4:35 is correct. It would be interesting to know who the the young FLDS girl is that Jeffs is smooching on. It looks like one heck of a tongue lashing kiss. Blaaa!
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