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Imagine no handguns
I wonder if you can
Nothing to kill or die with
And no ammo too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
Anonymous - Now imagine the Supreme Court - finding a person's right to a concealed arms permit. Kind of like the way they found a "right" to abortion, with the exception that the right to keep and bear arms actually occurs in the Constitution!
Guns are the only cause of death? Cars,knives, strangulation, battery,drugs, smoking, alcohol and on and on. I guess you believe criminals will turn in their guns too. You truly are a dreamer! Wake up and smell the postum, oh, that's right, they don't make it anymore....then try coffee.
That being said . . . why are we issuing concealed weapon permits in the State of Utah to non Utahns?? The likely hood of abuse of the system is much greater, especially concerning guns, than say . . hunting or fishing permits. With hunting and fishing permits, you still have to come to Utah to use the permit.
It doesn't mater to me what State they came from, I'm just glad they took the time to get it.
You sir...are ignorant! And I mean that in the most polite way. You are 'obviously' ignorant regarding our U.S. Constitution, you are ignorant regarding human nature, and how evil mankind can be to his fellow man. You live in a dream world, where no human being would ever dream of taking advantage of his fellow man. Well...WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, BROTHER!!!
It's a violent world out there, and sometimes a man or woman has to defend themselves against those who would cut short their life, for a mere few bucks!
What color is the sky...in that dream world of yours?
Get a clue!
Zulu Cowboy
If ordinary citizens were not allowed to own and bear arms, why would police and federal agents need to carry guns for protection? There would be no threat right? Nobody, not even criminals, would have guns right? Well, I wish you well there in your dream world. It must be great living in fantasy land and avoiding/denying reality. As for me, I must live in the real world, where, unfortunately, there is an ever growing element of crime and evil perpetrated by those who have no respect or regard for life, liberty, or property. While you stick your head in the sand and pretend all is well, I'll exercise my God given Constitutional right to keep and bear arms in defense of my life, my family's lives, and our liberty. I will admit that it would be nice to live in your fantasy world, but in the world I live in there are evil people with evil intent and I will do all in my power to prevent them from harming my family.
When I can read the Des News and not see a story about drug dealers, gang activities and violence, then I'll think about putting away my gun.
It sounds from the article like the deparment is self sustaining, pulling in more than $1 million per year. As long as it is a money maker, why in the world would you not give permits to (qualified) out of state applicants?
To the "private gun ownership" is a joke guy, you are too dumb to live. I'll trade you places; you come here to San Fransisco with the rest of the gun- hating naked nutballs, and I'll take your spot in Utah...
Then go out into the streets and do their NRA thing on each other and the herd will automatically become thinned.
"Utah suffers no liability because these other reciprocity states choose to recognize the permits and could easily change their minds if they wanted to."
If Utah gains a reputation for freely giving CCWs out to everyone, then other states are likely not to join in reciprocity agreements with Utah or to cancel them due to Utah's lack of strict standards. I am more concerned that a Utah resident with a Utah CCW can freely carry in other states due to reciprocity agreements than I am about whether or not a Californian can carry outside of California with the aid of a Utah CCW.
The NRA is the predominent proponent of gun safety and responsible gun use and ownership! Good try mouth-breather!
This kind of makes me want to get one, for the simple reason that so many others around me have one. Or to get one even if I do not intend to carry a handgun, just to skew the numbers.
Kind of sounds like the old joke about the guy that carries a bomb onto an airplane because the odds of being on an airplane with one bomb is high, but the odds of being on one that has two bombs is astronomical. Doesn't really make sense. Back in the old west I guess.
I don't think UT should stop issuing permits to non-residents because it is a win-win situation for all involved. If anything, raise the application fee for non-residents to cover the costs, but don't stop issuing the permits.
Anonymous: Take a look at countries that banned firearms, and how crime statistically has increased after the firearms bans. Britain's crime has had no real change, and in some cases has increased. Most gun control measures are just feel-good methods that have no real end-effect.
That Utah's non-resident CCW licenses are skyrocketing in number because so many states accept the UT permits should be seen as a boon, not a problem. Reciprocity for most other states' permits is not nearly as complete as for Utah's.
If the costs are exceeding the inputs from fees, raise the fees. Don't make it harder for good people to carry. Having the ability to legally exercise your right to defend yourself in as many places as possible is a good thing.
I also see the recent NRA national meeting was jam-packed with GOP loyalists, Romney included. All saying the anti-right messages.
What utter nonsense!
If UT doesn't want this Californian's permit renewal fees, tourist dollars, or online business dollars, that's their prerogative. Go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot.
As for the benefit to UT of out-of-state permit holders... um... how about more GOOD guys on the street armed with guns! In case you haven't figured it out, we're not the problem, but we're sure a better solution to crime than any gun control legislation. Duh....
First the permit can take up to 60 days to be processed and 2nd. As a non Utah Resident you CANNOT purchase a handgun in Utah, only in your state of residence.
Out of state instructors are in fact monitored and Utah's BCI does revoke instructor credentials.
And for Bob G, Utah has the same ability to check credentials and residency, and citizenship status and criminal history as if the person applying was a Utah resident.
The Federal Government does NOT restrict firearm ownership to just U.S. Citizens either, nor does Utah with the CCW permits.
I know of a neighbor who has lived here all her life, has a job, paid taxes and raised a family. He is not a citizen, even though he has probably lived here longer than many of you. You want to deny him the right of lawful self-defense?
and that applies to ALL firearms.
(a) It shall be unlawful -
(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed
manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to
transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to
any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed
manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the
transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not
reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business
entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in
which the transferor resides
I understand that most of you have no clue to whats really going, so before you write back and lecture me on how society should work, read and understand the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and try to gain a small understanding of our Founding Fathers intent. And stay out of the way of my God given, constitutionally protected rights!
NRA freaks are just another twisted GOP sub-group that bamboozles each other into thinking they are the "only true Americans" and that the demon un-Americans are out to take their guns (and rights) away from them.
And these poor souls have yet to realize they are being played for chumps by the GOP (What else is new?).
Please have some respect. The prejudice and discrimination is hurtful and narrow-minded.
I personally suspect the main reason they do it is because they sell. It's a good source of revenue, people want them, they are legal, and they are not harmful to society at large. It's simply the free market at work.
Someone opined that "private gun ownership is a joke." I submit that it is no joke. To the contrary, it is a fundamental right and perhaps the gravest of all rights. It's a huge responsibility, and of tremendous importance to freedom and decency. If you fail to acknowledge that, then I suspect you fail to grasp human history.
Utah has had this reciprocity standard since 1994. No state has complained in the last 14 years, why now?
"Imagine no handguns
I wonder if you can
Nothing to kill or die with
And no ammo too"
I wonder if the people of Rwanda, where a million people were massacred with machetes (no guns), see it that way?
My wife and I keep guns because there are only five deputies on duty for an area larger than the County of Los Angeles, and it could take an hour or more for help to come. The first time a drunk showed up at our gate (not easy to do way out where we are) at 6 am on a Sunday morning, with me out of town, I bought my wife a 12-gauge. And she knows how to use it. Plus there's the overpopulation of jackrabbits that'll eat our garden and our trees if we don't thin them. Try doing that without a firearm.
As to firearms, I think Obama said it best: what makes sense in the country may not make sense in the city. Deal with it.
Look it up.
A: No, that's a strawman argument. US vs. Miller (supreme Court)
(1939) tells us what arms are meant in the Second Amendment:
"These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense...
And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of a kind in common use at the time."
bomb?
A: No, that's a straw man argument. US vs. Miller (Supreme Court)
(1939) tells us what arms are meant in the Second Amendment:
"These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense...
And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of a kind in common use at the time."
Utah makes money(i.e., turns a profit) on the program, its' permit program is one of the most respected in the nation, its' objective standards strongly support civil rights, and the existing permit program creates no liability for Utah.
You want to mess with that why? How many other state programs MAKE money?
TX has reciprocity w/28 states, including UT.
My UT license give me 3 states - NV, WA and OH.
The reason TX does not have recip w/NV is we license 18 year olds (soldiers). I'd like recip w/NV but given the choice, I'd rather see our Irac vets be able to get licenses.
A UT license is half the cost of a TX or FL license.
Hmmm. Dump all non-Utah permitting and turn away millions of free money that can supplement the program and other benefits for Utah. Then DPS will dig deeper into your tax dollars for funds to run the program. Yea, that make sense. After all I love paying more taxes! Stupid is as stupid does.
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It is easy to imagine laws that could be passed by other states allowing Utah residents to run businesses or sell products that we, as a society, find objectionable.
So why would we undermine the efforts of other states to control gun ownership?
This seems to violate the "golden rule" -- and I would hope that we, as a state, would set the example on such moral issues.