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FLDS mother victorious in court

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tl | 4:28 a.m. May 17, 2008
Excellent! Doesn't this show that the justice system is working?
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Rubber stamp judges | 5:10 a.m. May 17, 2008
"Authorities are still investigating if the original call was a hoax..."

Why this tired sentence every time? The whole thing is a hoax, including these hearings. It's a rubber stamp of the execrable CPS.
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This is a victory? | 5:17 a.m. May 17, 2008
Is this the best her lawyers could do? It's like Nazis saying a mother can accompany her children on the cattle car.
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bartleby | 5:25 a.m. May 17, 2008
Give the children back to their rightful parents. Stop the abuse of children and families now. CPS is kidnapping children every day, in every state, often on the basis of an anonymous phone call.

Anyone with children needs to be very alarmed - this could happen to you - please act now to end the tyranny of CPS. Contact everyone you know and let them know about CPS (do some research on the Internet, you will quickly see how corrupt and Gestapo-like they are).

Start a blog, start a petition, tell your elected officials that unless they support parent's rights, and abolish CPS you will not vote for them, do something before it is too late, and they have kidnapped your child or baby and sent them to an abusive foster home.
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bartleby | 5:30 a.m. May 17, 2008
How much better off would the FLDS children be we their parents???? Take a look at these stats:

Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting)

*CPS Watch Inc.
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Thomas | 5:38 a.m. May 17, 2008
CPS needs to admit the obvious. A majority of the so-called underage mothers are adults. Let the children go home.
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John Jankerson | 8:34 a.m. May 17, 2008
I sure hope that those children are returned to their parents. I can tell there is NO abuse. I know it. Texas has done wrong in taking those children. The constitution says religious freedom.
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Do the Math | 10:03 a.m. May 17, 2008
Do the math. If this mother IS 18 and has a 3 yr old....so she gave birth before the age of 16? Hello!!!
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to: do the math | 10:46 a.m. May 17, 2008
If the husband is within the age limit and there was parental consent it is still legal even if was after they changed the law
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realitycheck | 10:55 a.m. May 17, 2008
I'm sure everyone would have no problem giving the children back to the mothers once they agree not to return to the prison - I mean compound - and live amongst the rest of us. In full view, no hiding, no weird stuff going on. No one cares if you have multiple wives or wear weird clothes. We only care that your children not be hidden and they not be taught that everything is evil and if you go out then you can never come back. That they have as much opportunity as possible to do great things in the world. Some of these kids could be great, you know?

Just take them out and about. Let them see the world. We are not all bad people out here, and you may be suprised how kind humanity really is, when we aren't worried about our young citizens. And you can teach us kindness.

Come on - don't be scared. We're not as bad as you think. We're just worried about the freedoms being taken from the youngsters.
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protectchildren | 11:11 a.m. May 17, 2008
Everyone has known about the abuse these poor children have suffered at the hands of their 'parents' for years. I am so glad that CPS is finally doing their job!! Protect the children!!
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RE: realitycheck | 11:26 a.m. May 17, 2008
When I read your post I know what you are saying, but when I see what has happened to these children I only see that we have proved thier parents right. We did do evil to them, I don't care if it was a good intention it went sour fast and is going rotton now. GIVE THE CHILDREN BACK NOW and then work out solutions.
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Notinmyname | 11:39 a.m. May 17, 2008
Taking children from non abusive parents is kidnapping. CPS should meet a higher standard of evidence before they take children. CPS should also be forced to become humane towards the children for whom they are reponsible. This case has highlighted all that is wrong with CPS.
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JusticeNeeded | 11:52 a.m. May 17, 2008
I'm fine with CPS doing their job as long as they do it in a professional and just manner. If there is evidence of sexual abuse, then CPS should investigate it and deal with the particular individuals involved. The above court action shows that CPS has gone well & way beyond any justified action whatsoever. It's a modern day SS / Gestapo organization. In this case they have done much much more harm than good. I don't agree at all with the FLDS ideas or way of life and any underage sexual practices must be stopped. At the same time that doesn't mean I think their kids should be abused at the hands of the CPS, which is exactly what has been going on. Taking kids away from parents is extreme abuse ... it's an emotional beating at the hands of the state. This kids are going to be scarred for life thanks to the lack of judgment on the part of CPS.
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An FLDS Mother | 1:16 p.m. May 17, 2008
realitycheck: We don't call gated communities prisons or compounds.... or do you? YFZ "Ranch" is a gated community. Don't listen to media, its ALL lies. We don't teach the children that EVERYTHING is evil. But we do teach them to keep their bodies covered. Why should we take them out in public to see naked bodies with tatoos and piercings, parents yelling at and hitting their children? Why show them all the trash on TV, sex, abuse, murder?
We do take them out and about. They see some people are nice and good. But they also know, there are plenty of people out there that want to hurt them. Plenty have come into Colorado City and shown the children their true colors. Yell hate things at them, try to climb the fence into the yard saying, "I'm going to get you." and other things.Terrifying the children.
Yes, we teach them to be kind and that we ALL are Heavenly Fathers children and he loves us ALL. We teach them to pray for everyone even those that don't like us. We know that there are good people out there, some are even good friends we know.
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Anonymous | 2:34 p.m. May 17, 2008
To: realitycheck
"Come on - don't be scared. We're not as bad as you think."

You violate peoples civil rights, detain them without cause, treat them like animals, abuse the to the point that an infant almost died. And then you tell them don't be scared, you're not as bad as they think.

Listen buddy, I can assure you, they gave you A LOT more credit than you deserved. You turned out to by ASTOUNDINGLY WORSE than they ever imagined.
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DD | 4:54 p.m. May 17, 2008
The real problem here is that the State of Texas abused its power. They didn't have sufficient evidence to justify the sweeping action that they took. Even if they eventually get that evidence they still had the cart ahead of the horse at the time. This shouldn't happen in America.
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realitycheck | 5:24 p.m. May 17, 2008
to Anonymous and the mom:
dear mom - i understand what you are saying. I don't disagree and I don't have an answer. But you must understand - in "protecting" your children from the "evils" of the world, you are also removing their ability to have a different future. A future of their own choosing. So while I know you truly believe what you are doing is best for your children, you are in fact just ensuring they are just like you, rather than to be their own person. Mind you, that's just my opinion - but rest assured it's also the opinion of the people that took your children, and 95% of America too.

There must be a happy medium you can achieve that allows your children to "spread their wings" yet maintains your vigorous religion. Work it out, girl. We all want you to be sucessful.
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Bill Hoffmann | 5:29 p.m. May 17, 2008
Taking children away from parents is wrong. Taking away civil and religious rights is wrong, It is abuse of power. Taking daughters from their homes and giving them physical examinations to see if they have been sexually active is horrible. Who did it; where did the examination take place? I said nothing when it was the Jews and then it was me. Bill a Mormon from Texas. LDS
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realitycheck | 6:13 p.m. May 17, 2008
to Anonymous -
I understand that CPS has caused you untold grief. For that, I am truly sorry. But throughout history people have done the wrong thing in the name of freedom. CPS (and I - and most Americans) believe that the women and children were being led down a path of perpetual servitude.
If you all would just not try to hide, I seriously doubt any of this would have happened. And for the record, most Americans don't care how many wives and children you have - only that they are happy and free to choose their future.

I am not your enemy. Your enemy is the shadows...
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