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Chairman says Texas CPS workers mistreated FLDS
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G | 6:10 p.m. May 14, 2008
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These parents were abusing these kids EVERY DAY!! By telling them that everyone and everything outside the gates is evil, and if they leave they will go to hell - and told that every day from the day they are born, by people they trust - that's abuse. That's stealing their future - and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy."
There's a slight problem with your idea--namely that what you have just described is legal and practiced daily in the Bible Belt and elsewhere.
These parents were abusing these kids EVERY DAY!! By telling them that everyone and everything outside the gates is evil, and if they leave they will go to hell - and told that every day from the day they are born, by people they trust - that's abuse. That's stealing their future - and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy."
There's a slight problem with your idea--namely that what you have just described is legal and practiced daily in the Bible Belt and elsewhere.
antizelot | 6:43 p.m. May 14, 2008
Statutory rape laws are unconstitutional and are nothing but a tool custom made
to persecute religious responsible people and celebrate teenagers who fornicate
secretly in backseats of cars. Statutory rape laws don't stop teen
pregnancies and never will. That is what Abortions are for !!
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Unbelievable | 7:10 p.m. May 14, 2008
What can we do? We MUST do something. We cannot stand idly by and watch this
travesty go on. We must stand up for these children and save them from the
clutches of this horrible evil which is the Texas CPS. Can we contribute? Can
we write to Governor Perry? Will it do any good? This entire situation makes me
sick to my stomach. We MUST do something.
antizelot | 8:17 p.m. May 14, 2008
Ive written a few angry letters and at least it will make you feel better if
nothing else. You should also write to your senators and tell them you are not
happy with your tax dollars being used to steal children from their families.
This problem is beyond just the Texas CPS it is happening in every state because
of financial incentives. As you have noticed the FBI has not stepped in to
protect the rights and well being of US citizens and frankly that scares me more
than the Texas authorities. The FLDS also has their own website where you can
contribute. But if Judges wont obey the law what good will hiring attorneys do ?
Interloper | 8:58 p.m. May 14, 2008
This tempest in a teapot is a distraction that I am sure will fade since there
is no actual evidence of abuse of any of the FLDS guests. Based on the poor
reasoning, spelling and grammar errors of most of the MHMR workers, I do not
think they have qualifications to be making judgments about important issues
anyway. They were likely there to soothe the guests, a job that they obviously
failed in.
I look forward to the evidence being weighed and individual child custody cases being resolved. But, that should be done with deliberate speed so that youngsters are not returned to abusive FLDS members.
It saddens me that the degree of ignorance of some people in our country is such that years after everyone should have learned people in the condition Terri Schiavo was in have no brain functions beyond those provided by the brain stem such as breathing, there are still folks incapable of grasping something that easy to understand. Let's hope that the YFZ Ranch saga will provide lasting understanding of why child sex abuse is unacceptable in our society, and, the legal procedures involved in child custody cases.
I look forward to the evidence being weighed and individual child custody cases being resolved. But, that should be done with deliberate speed so that youngsters are not returned to abusive FLDS members.
It saddens me that the degree of ignorance of some people in our country is such that years after everyone should have learned people in the condition Terri Schiavo was in have no brain functions beyond those provided by the brain stem such as breathing, there are still folks incapable of grasping something that easy to understand. Let's hope that the YFZ Ranch saga will provide lasting understanding of why child sex abuse is unacceptable in our society, and, the legal procedures involved in child custody cases.
Thomas | 9:22 p.m. May 14, 2008
The CPS continues on it way harrasing innocent parents and their children. CPS
has already acknowledged that one alleged child bride is an adult. What happens
if all these so-called child brides are actually adults?
Interesting to the Interloper. | 9:28 p.m. May 14, 2008
Tomorrow is another day. I'm beginning to wonder who is keeping all of
this hullabaloo going. I've yet to read anywhere but on this web site
about the letter to President Bush, the letters from the MHMR workers, etc.
I stand by what I said earlier. MHMR staff do not have a leg to stand on. Posters need to check their records also. I find it interesting that they did not say how many workers were actually at the coliseum. Was it 9 complaints out of 9 staff, or 9 complaints out of 100 staff?..We will probably never know that one for sure.
I stand by what I said earlier. MHMR staff do not have a leg to stand on. Posters need to check their records also. I find it interesting that they did not say how many workers were actually at the coliseum. Was it 9 complaints out of 9 staff, or 9 complaints out of 100 staff?..We will probably never know that one for sure.
to psyche nurse | 9:29 p.m. May 14, 2008
Thank you, I work as a counselor and can't believe the damage cps has done
to these children affecting them the rest of their lives. There are abandonment
issues as a child cannot understand this cruelty of separation by the State. The
children need to be returned immediately, I wish we could drive an army in there
and pull the same act on CPS as they pulled on the FLDS.
John | 12:41 a.m. May 15, 2008
How would you like it if your children were taken away because a neighbor down
the street abused a child? Why didn't they first investigate to find out
who was doing the abusing?
CPS insects | 1:13 a.m. May 15, 2008
First they take everything out of Rozita�s apartment, so
that we�ll never learn the truth of how all this started.
They confiscate the mother�s cellphones so that there
won�t be a visual record of the children being ripped from
their arms, then they make social workers sign confidentiality agreements so
that no one will know how they�re mistreating their
victims. They operate in the dark like roaches, with all the morality of
insects.
Spam City | 7:09 a.m. May 15, 2008
I see the FLDS spammers were up late with their usual weak arguments about the
CPS trying to destroy their religion.
In reality, CPS is only trying to prevent the FLDS from further abusing their children, but the FLDS don't see anything wrong with abusing their children, so to them, this is all a giant conspiracy to destroy their religion.
Whatever it takes, the FLDS must be prevented from getting their kids back until they've agreed to abandon their practice of forced underage marriages.
In reality, CPS is only trying to prevent the FLDS from further abusing their children, but the FLDS don't see anything wrong with abusing their children, so to them, this is all a giant conspiracy to destroy their religion.
Whatever it takes, the FLDS must be prevented from getting their kids back until they've agreed to abandon their practice of forced underage marriages.
To - G | 8:33 a.m. May 15, 2008
what I said isnt practiced every day in the bible belt. Those kids go to
college and are free to choose their path. These kids are locked behind a guard
tower. See the difference?
Comparing these kids to those raised in a std religious household is just ignorant.
Comparing these kids to those raised in a std religious household is just ignorant.
To antizelot | 8:35 a.m. May 15, 2008
"Statutory rape laws are unconstitutional and are nothing but a tool custom
made to persecute religious responsible people and celebrate teenagers who
fornicate secretly in backseats of cars. Statutory rape laws don't stop
teen pregnancies and never will. That is what Abortions are for !!"
Yes, but there is a major difference between teens who explore their sexuality--not with the best results, sometimes--of their own free will and kids who are forced into marriages with adults several times their age. None of the teens I work with chose forty-year old men for their partners. I'm a high school teacher, and there are plenty of teens having sex, but they have access to birth control. FLDS kids do not. And they're told that if they don't submit to these older men they're disobedient and bad and going to hell. What kind of life is that, whether that's how you were raised or not?
Yes, but there is a major difference between teens who explore their sexuality--not with the best results, sometimes--of their own free will and kids who are forced into marriages with adults several times their age. None of the teens I work with chose forty-year old men for their partners. I'm a high school teacher, and there are plenty of teens having sex, but they have access to birth control. FLDS kids do not. And they're told that if they don't submit to these older men they're disobedient and bad and going to hell. What kind of life is that, whether that's how you were raised or not?
Grandpa Phil | 9:03 a.m. May 15, 2008
Interloper, my wife and I served as foster parents to over 200 teenage foster
daughters in NC over a five year period. We have seen first-hand the abuses
that CPS has inflicted upon children and families in this State. Now we are
watching those same things happening in Texas. We are STILL waiting for the
"legal procedures involved in child custody cases" to become apparent.
There do not seem to be any in the Texas case. What you call a distraction and
a "tempest in a teapot" is nothing less than an attempt to minimalize
the horrific scope of State abuse in this case. It is called the exercise of
unrighteous dominion and CPS has honed it to a science.
As for the poor writing skills of the Mental Health workers, they are probably drawn from the same pool as the CPS workers. Few of the CPS workers we have come into contact with over the years have the comprehensive skills to grasp a technical concept such as legal rights and almost none possess the compassion to look inside an issue and weigh the consequences of their abuse. Their reading comprehension skills are minimal and sometimes laughable. That is sad.
As for the poor writing skills of the Mental Health workers, they are probably drawn from the same pool as the CPS workers. Few of the CPS workers we have come into contact with over the years have the comprehensive skills to grasp a technical concept such as legal rights and almost none possess the compassion to look inside an issue and weigh the consequences of their abuse. Their reading comprehension skills are minimal and sometimes laughable. That is sad.
Grandpa Phil | 9:23 a.m. May 15, 2008
Spam City would love to make everyone believe that the only supporters the FLDS
families have is other FLDS people. Hate to be the one to burst your bubble
Spam City but there are a LOT of us out here who see this for what it is. Under
the pretext of protecting the children from abuse, the State of texas has
perpetrated the worst case of abuse on a group of children in the history of the
United States - UNDER COLOR OF LAW. The illegal actions of CPS and the Sheriff
Dept. are actionable under 42 US Code, Sec 1983. The people may take their time
in figuring out what happened but, when the smoke and mirrors have cleared,
someone is going to pay dearly for treading on the rights of these families. If
there really was any child abuse, prosecute it. None of us has any problem with
that. As yet, we have yet to see any. All we hear is vague accusations and
innuendo and hearsay. Such things are only admisable in Kangaroo Courts. We
will wait and see how the hearings are handled and hope the theme song to CPT
Kangaroo isn't playing in the background.
magnus | 12:18 p.m. May 15, 2008
It is my and every other parents God and State given right to teach my children (or indoctrinate them) the way that I think is in their best interest.
There may not be a right way to handle a complicated situation like this, but I think there is little question that this is the wrong way. I hope and pray that justice when the dust settle that justice is served for everybody involved here. Unfortunately justice isn't going to repair the damage done to these kids.
I wonder if anyone at CPS ever considered the possible outcomes of this situation? Maybe shortsightedness is just part of being a Texan. I wonder if anybody ever thought about the high probability that if these kids do go back to their families (which they probably will because the state is running out of reasons to keep them) and they grow up continuing to be "indoctrinated" with the teaching of their faith. How much MORE like will they be to become MORE extreme in their distrust fo the government and MORE radical in their separationest views.
Childhood Trauma + percieved injustice + abuse of authority + isolation = perfect breeding ground for extremism
G | 1:32 p.m. May 15, 2008
To the poster at 8:33:
"what I said isnt practiced every day in the bible belt. Those kids go to college and are free to choose their path. These kids are locked behind a guard tower. See the difference?"
I've lived in the Bible Belt all my life, I think I know how things go here. Yes, many religious groups teach that non-protestants will go to Hell when they die, and generally threaten their own children with the same. That isn't conducive to producing well-balanced children, but not illegal nonetheless.
As for college, that issue is completely irrelevant because "kids" do not generally go to college. College is for adults (18+) and is not a parenting issue any more than military enlistment is ("Kids" that old are fighting in Iraq right now. Call CPS.)
Why you pro-CPS types continue to resort to non-sequitirs like this one is confounding since Texas insists that they have substantive evidence that FLDS was doing something that was actually illegal and not something that is merely disturbing to your own particular suburbanite, soccer-mom ethos and therefore "bad parenting".
The world is a big place, and not every good parent drives a minivan.
Grandpa Phil | 1:39 p.m. May 15, 2008
Magnus, that is just the kind of eye opening people need right now. You are
correct of course. Sooner or later, most, if not all of these children will
have to return to parental custody. The State can threaten and wail and knash
teeth all they want but, sooner or later, the reasons for keeping them away from
their parents will dissolve like sand castles at high tide. When that happens,
the State will find out that they have only reinforced in the children what
their parents have been telling them - that the authorities out there are the
bad guys. I agree with them; the authorities in Texas ARE the bad guys and, if
I lived in Texas, you can bet I would be making considerable preparations to
make sure this could not happen to my family. CPS only has themselves to blame.
Their worst fears will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. (Sorry, I just have
to chuckle when I think about all you folks out there who don't believe in
prophecies.)
Antizelot | 1:49 p.m. May 15, 2008
of course I am against young girls being forced to marry if they don't want
to. They could have gone in there and asked them if they were imprisoned by
their husbands. Not one person from the YFZ said thanks for rescuing me. There
were no victims there until they all had their children kidnapped. Maybe they
were mad at the women for wanting to go home with their kids instead of
renouncing their husbands.
I don't see how a young girl getting pregnant by a boy her own age who has no means to support her is good. "Safe sex" is more of a benefit to men than women. It is nothing more than unpaid prostitution. It causes emotional damage in young women as they travel though numerous meaningless sex partners. Men want sex. Women want love, stability, and a safe place to raise their children.
Even if the Mormons paired off teenagers I'll bet they would have still been treated the same.
I don't see how a young girl getting pregnant by a boy her own age who has no means to support her is good. "Safe sex" is more of a benefit to men than women. It is nothing more than unpaid prostitution. It causes emotional damage in young women as they travel though numerous meaningless sex partners. Men want sex. Women want love, stability, and a safe place to raise their children.
Even if the Mormons paired off teenagers I'll bet they would have still been treated the same.
G | 1:59 p.m. May 15, 2008
"As for the poor writing skills of the Mental Health workers, they are
probably drawn from the same pool as the CPS workers. Few of the CPS workers we
have come into contact with over the years have the comprehensive skills to
grasp a technical concept such as legal rights and almost none possess the
compassion to look inside an issue and weigh the consequences of their abuse.
Their reading comprehension skills are minimal and sometimes laughable. That is
sad."
In many states all you need to be an entry-level social worker is a B.S. degree in anything. State agencies like CPS and many others soak up the graduates that find that their peace studies or feminist theory degrees don't get them far in the private sector and whose records don't qualify them for the graduate schools. They get decent salaries, good benefits, and employment for life since it's very difficult to fire state workers. And they get to impose their will on others.
In many states all you need to be an entry-level social worker is a B.S. degree in anything. State agencies like CPS and many others soak up the graduates that find that their peace studies or feminist theory degrees don't get them far in the private sector and whose records don't qualify them for the graduate schools. They get decent salaries, good benefits, and employment for life since it's very difficult to fire state workers. And they get to impose their will on others.
Wanda Farmer | 12:44 a.m. May 16, 2008
This is true about the case workers, And if you say something to them. they will
tell more lies about you. I live in Milam Co. TX Population about 25,000. Cps
took more then 400 children into foster care last year. Only 120 of them are
with family. My granddaughter and grandson, are apart of them. Based on false
accusations. These case workers don't care about the children, they just
want the money. We didnt even get to talk in court. Cps told their story, and
that was the way it was. We had no money for an attorney.We were not told our
rights. They retaliate if you complain. If you don't stay quiet, they
threaten to send, your children some were else. And we wont be able to find
them. You just need to sign your rights away. So they can adopt them out. For
the money. Our children are being sold to the highest bidder, the government.
There are 6 million people in the US saying that cps stold their children and
know one can do anything about it. Thank You W. F.
G comment - 1:32pm | 9:53 a.m. May 16, 2008
the problem with your rationale is that I really don't care whether CPS
found evidence of abuse. I care that the women and children are let out of that
compound so they have some options in life. It's unclear to me why you try
to impress with big words that most here do not understand (like
"non-sequitirs", which you misspelled, by the way, since I do
understand it) when you could simply speak in plain terms.
You have yet to actually address the issue. You state that kids don't go to college, but I'm assuming that you realize they grow up. And if either pregnant or brainwashed, they won't have a chance to go to college. So stop beating around the bush and trying to impress with big words. Try actually addressing the issue of servitude being forced upon these women and children. That is, after all, the big issue. That's why the children were taken. The most ironic part is that you FLDS don't even realize that is the issue. You think it's about underage brides. lol - wake up. Free the women and children and you can live as you like.
You have yet to actually address the issue. You state that kids don't go to college, but I'm assuming that you realize they grow up. And if either pregnant or brainwashed, they won't have a chance to go to college. So stop beating around the bush and trying to impress with big words. Try actually addressing the issue of servitude being forced upon these women and children. That is, after all, the big issue. That's why the children were taken. The most ironic part is that you FLDS don't even realize that is the issue. You think it's about underage brides. lol - wake up. Free the women and children and you can live as you like.
G | 1:16 p.m. May 16, 2008
"You state that kids don't go to college, but I'm assuming that
you realize they grow up. And if either pregnant or brainwashed, they won't
have a chance to go to college."
Do you not realize how silly this exchange has become when you state that the government can take children away because parents don't send them to college?
I'd be laughing now if your views weren't so disturbing. Maybe CPS should start taking children away from people that make $20,000 a year or less, since they obviously can't afford college.
Do you not realize how silly this exchange has become when you state that the government can take children away because parents don't send them to college?
I'd be laughing now if your views weren't so disturbing. Maybe CPS should start taking children away from people that make $20,000 a year or less, since they obviously can't afford college.
Gramma | 6:27 p.m. May 16, 2008
CPS, the most corrupt, cruel, and powerful department of any government,
operates like this everywhere in the world. US, Canada, you name it - they
steal your children and you have no hope. Judges go along with them,
politicians, for the most part, don't care, or regurgitate the evil PR
phrase "in the best interests of the child". People have to unit and
start a class action lawsuit (I believe there is one in US already), and
pressure their politicians with petitions and so on. Don't vote for anyone
who isn't going to protect your rights as a parent, and ensure that your
child or baby can't be stolen.
ALL IT TAKES IS ONE ANONYMOUS PHONE CALL - SOMETIMES EVEN LESS. AND WHO IS TO SAY THAT THE SOCIAL WORKER THEMSELF WON'T BE THE ONE MAKING THE "ANONYMOUS PHONE CALL."
ALL IT TAKES IS ONE ANONYMOUS PHONE CALL - SOMETIMES EVEN LESS. AND WHO IS TO SAY THAT THE SOCIAL WORKER THEMSELF WON'T BE THE ONE MAKING THE "ANONYMOUS PHONE CALL."
James Rich | 8:15 p.m. May 16, 2008
Just how long does it take to 'investigate' wether the original call
was real or false? My understanding is that it came from a black woman in
colorado who has a history of making crank calls.
Where's the arrest? Where's the FOI forcing CPS to reveal their phone records? Have these calls been traced? I think that any 2 bit detective could figure this out in around 2 weeks - maximum.
Where's the arrest? Where's the FOI forcing CPS to reveal their phone records? Have these calls been traced? I think that any 2 bit detective could figure this out in around 2 weeks - maximum.
mypc46 | 11:26 p.m. May 16, 2008
Just as i thought..no one saw the photos of the ranch from the air. There are at
least 12 houses and a number of mobile homes. Not everyone was living in a
single residence. Since some men had 1 wife they were probably in the mobile
homes.The men with many wives had a large house for all the members. Since when
is just FLDS the only religion brain washing kids. Italian mom and my dad had to
sign for kids to be raised catholic. Them folks really mess you up. And we all
force our views on our kids. After all why say to kids...because I said so!
Anyone raising a child has 5 years to mold that child into whatever they wish.
As I said return these families to the ranch and help them to change. CPS=
largest abuse warehouse. They are foaming at the mouth with the hopes of
adoption bonuses.
bereaved | 7:52 a.m. May 17, 2008
Well I am one who had the same done to me the more people talk about how abusive
cps is the more powerful they become. I am so overwhelmed on how they are able
to get away with what they get away with.I believe that so many of them are un
wed and do not have children of there own and are able to tell you how to raise
your children.The gov. is so out of it that they do not even know what is going
on.So instead of us talking about it lets do something.Tell me police are here
to protect and serve right, and they have to abide by the law well what makes
cps so different. People think that if they pick up the phone and make a call
they are saving a child. well let me tell you the child or children are in more
danger when cps is notified so before making that call think to yourself am i
doing good or bad,also ask yourself if you have children would i want this to
happen to me!
Justthefactsmaam | 7:53 a.m. May 17, 2008
You do know, don't you, before this is all said and done, Texas Taypayers
will be writng a check over to the FLDS for SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS.
You watch and see. There won't even be one conviction on underage marriage. Prior to September 2005, girls could be formally OR informally married (common law) married at 14 *with* their parent's permission.
After September 2005, it was 16.
When you look at the 2007 Bishop's census, not even one marriage violated the above. Some came close, but none violated.
Regarding the bigamy prosecutions, if Texas is stupid enough to bring those, it will be overturned by SCOTUS using Lawrence vs Texas language of "consensual sex between ADULTS."
Under Texas law, these 14 to 16 year old girls were ADULTS.
Holm was refused to be heard by SCOTUS because Ruth Stubbs was legally a minor under Utah law.
Oops!
Don't mess with Texas.
Leave it alone.
It'll mess its own drawers.
You watch and see. There won't even be one conviction on underage marriage. Prior to September 2005, girls could be formally OR informally married (common law) married at 14 *with* their parent's permission.
After September 2005, it was 16.
When you look at the 2007 Bishop's census, not even one marriage violated the above. Some came close, but none violated.
Regarding the bigamy prosecutions, if Texas is stupid enough to bring those, it will be overturned by SCOTUS using Lawrence vs Texas language of "consensual sex between ADULTS."
Under Texas law, these 14 to 16 year old girls were ADULTS.
Holm was refused to be heard by SCOTUS because Ruth Stubbs was legally a minor under Utah law.
Oops!
Don't mess with Texas.
Leave it alone.
It'll mess its own drawers.
JT | 2:10 p.m. May 17, 2008
What's the Difference between CPS and the Gestapo? When the Gestapo sent
people to the concentration camp, they kept families together.-
Robert T. McQuaid
Robert T. McQuaid
Gramma | 8:53 p.m. May 17, 2008
Boycott Texas. It's the only language they understand.
Gramma | 8:53 a.m. May 18, 2008
And by the way, quit repeating the LIE that there was abuse at the FLDS ranch.
CPS already admitted, there was NO EVIDENCE OF ABUSE. But there sure will be abuse to come for those poor little FLDS children, given the statistics on what brutalities occur in foster homes. Drug addiction, suicide, incarceration, homelessness, this is what they have to look forward to.
Before you so quickly condone the actions of the State and CPS, you might want to do a bit of research and think for yourself. After all, if you really care about the "best interests of the children" you would think long and hard, and do a bit of research, before you so blindly accept what the government and their thugs foist off on you.
BOYCOTT TEXAS!
CPS already admitted, there was NO EVIDENCE OF ABUSE. But there sure will be abuse to come for those poor little FLDS children, given the statistics on what brutalities occur in foster homes. Drug addiction, suicide, incarceration, homelessness, this is what they have to look forward to.
Before you so quickly condone the actions of the State and CPS, you might want to do a bit of research and think for yourself. After all, if you really care about the "best interests of the children" you would think long and hard, and do a bit of research, before you so blindly accept what the government and their thugs foist off on you.
BOYCOTT TEXAS!
Tina | 2:51 p.m. May 18, 2008
Gramma, not sure about Boycotting Texas, but my husband came home Friday and
told me he was offered a job in Texas. I told him no amount of money is going
to make me move to Texas after all of this. There are 49 other states in the
union - he can pick another one.
I'm not saying there was not abuse in the FLDS compound, but I am NOT going to live in a state where the state government representatives hold adults as minors until they give birth to snatch their kids or any of the other things I have heard about their CPS.
I don't have children yet, but that does not matter - not moving to Texas.
I'm not saying there was not abuse in the FLDS compound, but I am NOT going to live in a state where the state government representatives hold adults as minors until they give birth to snatch their kids or any of the other things I have heard about their CPS.
I don't have children yet, but that does not matter - not moving to Texas.
Gramma | 1:09 a.m. May 19, 2008
Wise decision, Tina.
Read the Frontline segment on Logan Marr, the 5 year old who was taken from her "unfit" mother, and given to the foster "mother" / CPS worker. This case reveals much about CPS and the kind of people who have power there.
All it takes is one (anonymous) phone call. A vindictive ex, a jealous co-worker, a creepy neighbour. There is no justice in a court where one side (the government and CPS) have all the power, and everything is done in secrecy. If you do run into problems with CPS, don't meet them without a (good) lawyer present, and (if state law permits it) tape record everything that transpires between you, CPS, doctors, etc.
Read up on your rights, and how to fight CPS, should that horrible day ever come to pass.
If I was young again, I would really think hard about having children. I can't think of anything worse than losing them to CPS. But I'm hopeful that things will change, given enough awareness. The human race has much goodness, unfortunately, right now there are a lot of evil people with power.
Read the Frontline segment on Logan Marr, the 5 year old who was taken from her "unfit" mother, and given to the foster "mother" / CPS worker. This case reveals much about CPS and the kind of people who have power there.
All it takes is one (anonymous) phone call. A vindictive ex, a jealous co-worker, a creepy neighbour. There is no justice in a court where one side (the government and CPS) have all the power, and everything is done in secrecy. If you do run into problems with CPS, don't meet them without a (good) lawyer present, and (if state law permits it) tape record everything that transpires between you, CPS, doctors, etc.
Read up on your rights, and how to fight CPS, should that horrible day ever come to pass.
If I was young again, I would really think hard about having children. I can't think of anything worse than losing them to CPS. But I'm hopeful that things will change, given enough awareness. The human race has much goodness, unfortunately, right now there are a lot of evil people with power.
survivor of cps | 8:22 a.m. May 19, 2008
what cps is doing in Texas is what they do all over our country. Every child
taken into thier protective custody is victimized or revictimized by an agency
full of people trying to justify what they do, so that they can sleep at night.
cps is in denial regarding thier own mental health and is in desparate need of
intervention. They themselves have become the neglectful and abusive guardian.
The only way to change them, is to challenge and confront them,which is what has
been happening across America IF you will just see. The time has come, for our
nation to TRUELY be made aware of the unredeamable disfunctionality of cps.
Because, what happened to my family and the families of half a million children
every year, and now FDLS families can happen to YOU. If you don't believe
me, try refusing to send your kindergarden child to the dentist and see how
close cps gets to your door.
survivor of cps | 8:53 a.m. May 19, 2008
when I think of cps, I think of the Stanford prison experiment of 1971.
gold | 12:59 p.m. May 19, 2008
Being a foster adoptive parent for 15 plus years, I can see that cps has to
investigate by law. If a child is in danger, or reason to believe of
abuse/neglect the child is removed. It is up to the judge to make the final
decision how long the children stay in care or go home. I thought by law ,having
many wives is not legal in the USA. If fathers were infact causing harm to the
children the children would be removed from the home. If the mothers of the
children were aware of this , they are as quilty. As for the cps workers being
rude, etc. It is like many situations, there are good workers, and not so good.
Same goes for teachers, police, etc.
Deborah Bratcher | 2:06 p.m. May 19, 2008
CPS in Texas has been out of control for years! They believe they have
"magical" powers of discernment, making SNAP judgements against people
and then only changing their tactics when high-powered attorneys are brought in.
It's anti-American,and, as so many before me have pointed out, CPS plans
are way more harmful to children than the parents the children are removed from
were. I hope to have a say to Gov. Perry, too, if a real, sincere probe into
the constant misconduct of various CPS offices is undertaken.
Caren | 2:10 p.m. May 19, 2008
If there are so many victims of CPS isn't it time for a massive class
action law suit.
You should all contact the attorneys of FLDS and team up. Or have they made class action lawsuits illegal already ...The big surge in kidnapping came after the Welfare reform bill so most of the victims still are incarcerated someplace. It is about time to get them released.
You should all contact the attorneys of FLDS and team up. Or have they made class action lawsuits illegal already ...The big surge in kidnapping came after the Welfare reform bill so most of the victims still are incarcerated someplace. It is about time to get them released.
Gramma | 12:20 a.m. May 20, 2008
CPS should be abolished. If there is a suspicion of abuse, it should be treated
just like any other crime. Due process and the presumption of innocence should
not be thrown out. People need to stop buying into the idea that there is abuse
everywhere, and that just because some kid has a bruise or is crying, they must
be getting abused. We have been totally brainwashed by shows like Oprah, and
the media, who see abuse everywhere. If parents are having problems, they
should be helped. Too many parents have lost their children, merely because
they are poor. All the money that is spent on government mooches could have
paid for all these families to live like royalty. The government is the true
evil here, for it is what is behind CPS. Remember, CPS is just an arm of the
government. Demand that your elected official abolish CPS or immediately make
reforms that take away their abusive power. Demand also that such things as
anonymous accusations be outlawed, and that the penalty for a false accusation
be jail time!
Gramma | 8:40 a.m. May 20, 2008
To Gold: Do some research on CPS - they are a brutal organization wherever you
find them.
THERE WAS NO ABUSE FOUND, AND NO EVIDENCE OF ABUSE FOUND, AT FLDS.
When are you people going to get that through your heads?
The FLDS children should have been given back LONG ago, and never taken in the first place. What is happening right now, EVEN IF IT WERE LEGAL, would be the most inhumane, brutal thing!
Have some heart and brains! This is so obviously a sickening bullying brutal action of the State and CPS. Anyone who can't see that is so totally brainwashed it's pathetic.
DO SOME RESEARCH INTO CPS! THEY ARE EVIL INCARNATE!
THERE WAS NO ABUSE FOUND, AND NO EVIDENCE OF ABUSE FOUND, AT FLDS.
When are you people going to get that through your heads?
The FLDS children should have been given back LONG ago, and never taken in the first place. What is happening right now, EVEN IF IT WERE LEGAL, would be the most inhumane, brutal thing!
Have some heart and brains! This is so obviously a sickening bullying brutal action of the State and CPS. Anyone who can't see that is so totally brainwashed it's pathetic.
DO SOME RESEARCH INTO CPS! THEY ARE EVIL INCARNATE!
4COMMONSENSE | 10:10 p.m. May 20, 2008
G comment -
the problem with your rationale is that I really don't care whether CPS found evidence of abuse.
____________________________________________________
You don't care ? It's ok that based on someone's opionion that these girls/women were repressed,etc that 464 children are uprooted and placed with total strangers ? I have concerns about any children you may have based on these screwed up beliefs.
the problem with your rationale is that I really don't care whether CPS found evidence of abuse.
____________________________________________________
You don't care ? It's ok that based on someone's opionion that these girls/women were repressed,etc that 464 children are uprooted and placed with total strangers ? I have concerns about any children you may have based on these screwed up beliefs.
4COMMONSENSE | 10:10 p.m. May 20, 2008
Grandpa Phil,
Your post means alot, considering you have first hand knowledge of the inner workings of CPS and family court.
Your post means alot, considering you have first hand knowledge of the inner workings of CPS and family court.
Grandpa Phil | 7:11 a.m. May 21, 2008
Caren, CPS is "protected" from lawsuits due to their status as a
government agency. They can only be sued with their permission. Not likely
that is going to happen.
Mother | 12:39 p.m. May 21, 2008
I think this is horrible and CPS is to blame and should be held responsible. I
dont blame Texas in general. There are many people who are born and raised in
Texas and are very respectful and honest. This whole situatin has reflected on
them unfairly. CPS is like this all over the country. This paticular tragedy is
a lose/lose situation. Tax payers will pay. The children are paying now and so
are the parents.
gold | 2:30 p.m. May 21, 2008
To Gramma,
I do have heart and brains. Where did you get your info that there was no abuse/neglect? So, did they rule out all of the findings? I made a comment on the neutral side and you taking it out of context.
I have seen first hand children saved from the hand of someone that took advantage of them. CPS first priority is to protect the unproteced, and to find a permanent situation be it with parents, relatives, kinship, adoptive placement.
I do have heart and brains. Where did you get your info that there was no abuse/neglect? So, did they rule out all of the findings? I made a comment on the neutral side and you taking it out of context.
I have seen first hand children saved from the hand of someone that took advantage of them. CPS first priority is to protect the unproteced, and to find a permanent situation be it with parents, relatives, kinship, adoptive placement.
Concerned for Familes | 7:16 p.m. May 21, 2008
If you have ever had dealings with Texas CPS you will soon realize that their
sole purpose it to ruin your family and your life. There are no real check and
balances system for CPS they are always in charge. Along with many counties
that have paid Attorney ad idem on their payroll which is a direct conflict of
interest. It soon becomes obvious that the attorney representing your child are
actually looking only to keep their job and do not have the real interest of any
child in mind. CPS will not listen to any parent under suspect nor will they
listen or contact anyone that might have first hand knowledge of your child or
not. They PAY WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO KEEP CONTRACTORS FOR EVALUATIONS for you
and your child in business. CPS IS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL IN TEXAS. Now
problems in San Angelo because the are a high profile news story is moving much
faster than any other case on their current files leaving all other cases in
limbo.
CPS Child Protective Services or better said CPS Communist Police State...
CPS Child Protective Services or better said CPS Communist Police State...
Gramma | 12:50 a.m. May 22, 2008
Gold, please just google "CPS" and "big business" or
"CPS" and "organized crime" or "CPS" and
"gestapo". Read some of the truth about these pack of sadistic thugs
who steal children and babies for money and power.
Where did you get YOUR info that there WAS abuse?
Maybe you've seen a case, or even two, where it appeared that CPS helped. I'm sceptical. I've read case after case after case where they have done everything from lie, create false reports, bully, intimidate, abuse, sexually abuse, to murder (PBS did a story on a CPS worker who became a foster parent and murdered, and was convicted of murdering a poor little girl - the CPS worker / foster mom duct taped the little girl to a chair in the basement and she died, I believe, from suffocation.) There are many other stories out there about sick, twisted, perverted CPS workers. Power corrupts, and CPS workers have more power than God and Satan put together, at least that's the way it feels when you're a wrongfully accused parent. Please don't believe all the Oprah / Nancy Grace crap that you hear / read.
Where did you get YOUR info that there WAS abuse?
Maybe you've seen a case, or even two, where it appeared that CPS helped. I'm sceptical. I've read case after case after case where they have done everything from lie, create false reports, bully, intimidate, abuse, sexually abuse, to murder (PBS did a story on a CPS worker who became a foster parent and murdered, and was convicted of murdering a poor little girl - the CPS worker / foster mom duct taped the little girl to a chair in the basement and she died, I believe, from suffocation.) There are many other stories out there about sick, twisted, perverted CPS workers. Power corrupts, and CPS workers have more power than God and Satan put together, at least that's the way it feels when you're a wrongfully accused parent. Please don't believe all the Oprah / Nancy Grace crap that you hear / read.
Gramma | 12:57 a.m. May 22, 2008
And one thing people can do to help is to donate to the litigation fund for FLDS
- go the Captive FLDS Children website, and give whatever you can. Also, sign
the Petition that is online to Free the FLDS Children. And let your elected
officials know, today, that if they don't speak out NOW against this
abomination of the justice system, you will NOT vote for them.
Oh, and boycott Texas -
Oh, and boycott Texas -
jennifer | 6:10 p.m. May 22, 2008
Texas cps and police officers from the fortworth police department came to my
house and removed 3 of my children and placed them out of state with a convicted
child abuser after i told them my Children were not to Leave the state of Texas!
Texas Cps and the fortworth police department removed my children 2yrs ago and
the Tarrant County DAs office, OAG office of Texas and The courthouse in
downtown Fortworth Texas can not find any records saying cps and the police
removed my kids!
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Listen, people - these children's rights were being STOMPED ON. Instead of being so concerned about the parents rights, try (for once) to think of the children's rights to an open and proserous future. If left alone in that compound, they were all destined to be enslaved and have no hope for a future. Granted, they'd be happy, since ignorance is bliss, but they could do great things in the real world, yet none of them would have any chance at all. How many doctors, scientists, etc are in ththose kids? We would never know.
These parents were abusing these kids EVERY DAY!! By telling them that everyone and everything outside the gates is evil, and if they leave they will go to hell - and told that every day from the day they are born, by people they trust - that's abuse. That's stealing their future - and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.