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amen | 8:13 p.m. May 11, 2008
To: Zen Master Strategy.
Amen on your two favorite teams!
Sasha was a complete baby in this game. He kept throwing little tantrums towrads Korver.
Amen on your two favorite teams!
Sasha was a complete baby in this game. He kept throwing little tantrums towrads Korver.
The Napster | 8:17 p.m. May 11, 2008
When the game fell apart for LA they chose to turn it on and they did. Derek
Fisher hits three clutch treys and then blocks Deron's shot at the end of
regulation. Phil had simply played them just too long and they fizzled out at
the end. The Lakers remain able to turn on the jets at will and take over with
confidence. Deron won't always be able to take up the slack and hit the
shots to keep us in the game.
Jordan's Flu = Kobe's Back. Same Coach different year.
I loved seeing the young bench group womp all over LA. Price got his revenge on that nasty rejection and the "kobe-esque" layup and one. AK blocked shots, Millsap hustled, Korver hit threes, Harpring was physical. If the bench is allowed to run free with Brewer flying around the rim than game 5 is a possibility and once Utah has the home court they have the series.
Jordan's Flu = Kobe's Back. Same Coach different year.
I loved seeing the young bench group womp all over LA. Price got his revenge on that nasty rejection and the "kobe-esque" layup and one. AK blocked shots, Millsap hustled, Korver hit threes, Harpring was physical. If the bench is allowed to run free with Brewer flying around the rim than game 5 is a possibility and once Utah has the home court they have the series.
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ram | 8:24 p.m. May 11, 2008
here is my complant about all nba officals it had at least twice for both teams
todays the guy goes to the baset gets fouled they wait to see if it goes in if
it doesnt they call a foul this bugs me either call a foul or dont when it
happens o by the way great block by price on billwalton red head jr
go jazz great game
go jazz great game
DQ | 8:28 p.m. May 11, 2008
For all the Laker fans who believe the Jazz can't win in LA, please
remember that one screw up and your done. THe Jazz were within 5 and 4 in the
last six minutes of games 1 and 2. If the same thing happens in Games 5 or 7 and
they execute their offense this time your done. Seems to me not many gave the
Jazz a chance in Game 7 last year in Houston. I hope your team is as
overconfident as you are. Kobe will look great on the golf course on Memorial
Day weekend. BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID.
The Lakers are dirty? | 8:42 p.m. May 11, 2008
I hate the Jazz. I hate you fans and I hate the state. The Jazz are well known
as one of the dirtiest teams of all time, even back when Stockton and Elbows
Malone were playing. Kobe is going to play, you won't have to worry about
his status. Players are getting called for fouls on Kobe because GASP! they are
fouling him. That's how it works.
I love all the hate the Lakers get. But I will remind Jazz fans of this....think about this long and hard when you wanna start talking mess.
Laker Championships-14
Jazz Championships-0, Zero, Nada, Zilch, O-fer, None
I love all the hate the Lakers get. But I will remind Jazz fans of this....think about this long and hard when you wanna start talking mess.
Laker Championships-14
Jazz Championships-0, Zero, Nada, Zilch, O-fer, None
re: zen master strategy | 8:46 p.m. May 11, 2008
hahahaha. You have such a loser complex. Do you really think that Jordan and
Phil sat in the strategy room in Chicago and though..."well, Jordan you
torched the Jazz for 35+ in the regular season but I think you might have to
pretend to be sick this time. If you do, and if we pump IV fluids into you at
half time you might get 40!"
haha. I think Kobe was told the same thing - "Even though you're averaging 36 pts on 50% shooting against the Jazz this series - you should pretend to hurt your back, miss most of your 2nd half shots, settle for jumpers to make them think your back hurts and then come back in teh last second and ....lose."
Face it - Kobe was hurt - and the Jazz won. The Jazz also played well so kudos to them. But come on - faking injuries? Jazz need to just accept when they lose and move on. they got 2 at home - good for them but now they go to LA and will lose, then come back to Utah and lose yet again. I can hardly wait for the complaints to begin.
haha. I think Kobe was told the same thing - "Even though you're averaging 36 pts on 50% shooting against the Jazz this series - you should pretend to hurt your back, miss most of your 2nd half shots, settle for jumpers to make them think your back hurts and then come back in teh last second and ....lose."
Face it - Kobe was hurt - and the Jazz won. The Jazz also played well so kudos to them. But come on - faking injuries? Jazz need to just accept when they lose and move on. they got 2 at home - good for them but now they go to LA and will lose, then come back to Utah and lose yet again. I can hardly wait for the complaints to begin.
B. Rock | 8:47 p.m. May 11, 2008
NICE WIN!!!!
Is anyone else sick of watching games on ABC/ESPN? First the sound is always going in and out, 2nd they always use that crappy line camera where you can't even see the game (come on!! that angle sucks sooo bad!), and 3rd NOBODY in the ESPN studio likes the Jazz at all. If you were to watch the highlights after the game you would have thought the Fakers won. That special interest story that Lisa Salters did right before game three on Derek Fisher was sooo lame! They think the Jazz fans are evil because we boo Fisher. HELLO- Fisher is wearing a Lakers jersey!!!!
Looking forward to Wednesday.
PS Ronnie Price punking Walton was the sweeeetest play of the night! Awesome job Ronnie!
Is anyone else sick of watching games on ABC/ESPN? First the sound is always going in and out, 2nd they always use that crappy line camera where you can't even see the game (come on!! that angle sucks sooo bad!), and 3rd NOBODY in the ESPN studio likes the Jazz at all. If you were to watch the highlights after the game you would have thought the Fakers won. That special interest story that Lisa Salters did right before game three on Derek Fisher was sooo lame! They think the Jazz fans are evil because we boo Fisher. HELLO- Fisher is wearing a Lakers jersey!!!!
Looking forward to Wednesday.
PS Ronnie Price punking Walton was the sweeeetest play of the night! Awesome job Ronnie!
Guy | 8:55 p.m. May 11, 2008
Kobe is going to be whining because of injury. If he is injured he should stay
on the bench. There is always a scape goat with the reigning MVP. It was the
refs in the other games. If Kobe sat, Lamar and Fisher would have continued to
dominate the Jazz. Kobe lost the game for them and he will get all the sympathy
from the analysts. Jazz get no love, even though they deserve to be there.
Funny... | 8:59 p.m. May 11, 2008
Funny how the announcers made such a big deal about Kobe and his hurting back.
Boozer has a hurt back and nobody knew about it until a couple of days ago.
I don't want to get started on the officiating...wow, did they blow the call on AK in the OT! That was symbolic of how rigged this thing is. As a fan of the game, I just want it called straight up....otherwise it is just professional wrestling!
I don't want to get started on the officiating...wow, did they blow the call on AK in the OT! That was symbolic of how rigged this thing is. As a fan of the game, I just want it called straight up....otherwise it is just professional wrestling!
Gus | 8:59 p.m. May 11, 2008
What's up with D Will not playing defense against Fisher? If Fisher scored
one three pointer on me, I'd make sure he didn't get any more open
looks. But D Will left Fisher wide open three times in a row. There would have
been no need for an overtime had D Will done his job.
korver | 9:07 p.m. May 11, 2008
I agree with, the reason we are struggling in the 2nd and 4th quarter's is
that Korver is playing too long. He's good for about 6-8 minutes when he
can come in give us a spark with a few three's. When he's left in too
long the Lakers are taking advantage of his poor defense. Let Brewer play more!
goleta jazz fan | 9:08 p.m. May 11, 2008
If derek fisher was telling the truth about his daughter being sick why is he
playing nba basketball. He shuld be by his daughters side at the hospital.
The Lakers are a better team | 9:16 p.m. May 11, 2008
DQ, I'm not afraid. I haven't seen anything from Utah that causes me
any kind of concern. You aren't playing Houston anymore so stop the
comparisons. Those little ticky tack fouls that the intimidated refs were
calling out in Mormonville aren't going to be called out in L.A. And please
pissing and moaning about how the games are rigged. While Stern may want the
Celtics/Lakers, both teams gotta win to get there. San Antonio brings in the
lowest ratings and yet they have 4 titles in the last 9 years. So much for
rigged games. The Utah fans clearly have an inferiroity complex when it comes to
the Lakers....I like it...it makes me laugh.
SantaBarbaraJazzFN | 9:22 p.m. May 11, 2008
Great win. Please continue to boo D-Fish. Go Jazz!!!
Refs were awful | 9:37 p.m. May 11, 2008
Kobe knocked down AK in front of the Jazz bench and Ak gets called for a
block.
Vujicic flops after getting an "elbow" from Korver and they get the call. Oh and he was reaching all over before he got "the elbow".
Memo gets called for a tech. Seriously how many times a game do Odom and Kobe do that after calls that go against them?? and they call that on Okur at the end of the game??? Very suspicious.
How about Fisher lowering his shoulder and running Williams over. There was no way that was a block. If there weren't going to call a charge they shouldn't have called anything on that one.
I don't know how the Jazz beat LA and the refs tonight. Oh wait.. Kobe was "hurt"
Actually to be honest he did look like he wasn't moving like normal and i hope he stays that way so that Jazz can win game 5!!
Vujicic flops after getting an "elbow" from Korver and they get the call. Oh and he was reaching all over before he got "the elbow".
Memo gets called for a tech. Seriously how many times a game do Odom and Kobe do that after calls that go against them?? and they call that on Okur at the end of the game??? Very suspicious.
How about Fisher lowering his shoulder and running Williams over. There was no way that was a block. If there weren't going to call a charge they shouldn't have called anything on that one.
I don't know how the Jazz beat LA and the refs tonight. Oh wait.. Kobe was "hurt"
Actually to be honest he did look like he wasn't moving like normal and i hope he stays that way so that Jazz can win game 5!!
kobe factor | 9:38 p.m. May 11, 2008
The kobe factor is that the refs baby him and call fouls on anybody that gets
within 2 feet when he has the ball. Makes me sick to my stomach to see how our
guys can get hammered at times by the L.A. Losers and nothing gets called and
then a foul gets called for kobe when our guy blinks at him. With the refs
helping kobe and whiny phil jackson like that it's no wonder they beat the
Jazz in L.A. and came very close to winning at ESA. What a bunch of garbage.
Great Win | 9:39 p.m. May 11, 2008
But our power forward has no power. Price could eat Boozers lunch down in the
paint. Also less Korver and more Brewer or some C.J..Korvers sorry defense blew
2 10 point leads today. After he has a little flurry get him out. Great game
Deron, Andre, Memo, Ronnie, Paul, Matt, and Ronnie Price
Re: The Lakers Are Dirty? | 9:39 p.m. May 11, 2008
Seriously man? I'm a lakers fan and you are embarassing all of us. We can
at least admit that Kobe gets the star treatment, no one but the ignorant Laker
fan will deny that. There are times when I am surprised what he gets away with
and the way calls go sometimes, but that's been the game for a long time.
Stinks sometimes, but makes a victory sweeter. Kudos to the Jazz for a hard
fought, well-deserved win.
Secondly dude, the whole "look how many championshps we have and you don't have any" argument is worse than "yeah well, my dad can beat up your dad" and can be serious grounds for foot-in-mouth disease. Go spout off somewhere else and quit making the rest of the Laker fans look like complete fools. Ignorance.
I say Lakers in 7, the Jazz are a tougher team to play than most give credit(and except for December they'd probably be the 1 seed in the west instead of my lakers), but I don't think they can pull it off this year.
Secondly dude, the whole "look how many championshps we have and you don't have any" argument is worse than "yeah well, my dad can beat up your dad" and can be serious grounds for foot-in-mouth disease. Go spout off somewhere else and quit making the rest of the Laker fans look like complete fools. Ignorance.
I say Lakers in 7, the Jazz are a tougher team to play than most give credit(and except for December they'd probably be the 1 seed in the west instead of my lakers), but I don't think they can pull it off this year.
Is losing the series bad? | 9:48 p.m. May 11, 2008
I hear it time and time again....."the lakers are the best team in the
league. They are so good. No one can stop them." They Jazz have at least
shown that isn't true. But it really dosn't matter if the Jazz win the
series. The Lakers are favored to make it to the Finals by the league office.
They allowed a horrible Pao Gasol trade. They manipulate the games by telling to
refs to call it a certain way....although fair......in a way that changes the
tempo in the lakers favor. But it doen't matter. Even a true Jazz fan
beleives neither the Celtics or Lakers will win a championship. It will be a
Pistons-Spurs final....again.....there goes the tv ratings. Boo!!!!!! but its
true.
Re: Re: Master Zen Strategy | 9:58 p.m. May 11, 2008
Dude, of course they don't strategize those things and it isn't about
the individual's performance it is about team matchups. The Bulls did not
sweep past the Jazz, those were tough, hard-fought series.
It is all about the psychological game. You just got beat twice by a team that people like you said wouldn't win a game in the series. If there is any way you get them to let down there guard at all then you do it. Zen never said that they sat down and planned it out, nobody said that. But nevertheless that is what happens, players will play the psyche game as much as they can. Get them to relax and then you have them where you want them, get them over confident and you can shut them down. Kobe does that in individual games all the time. Acts like he is in pain and then comes back playing harder than before, why wouldn't he do that for a series that isn't the sweep you were planning on.
It is all about the psychological game. You just got beat twice by a team that people like you said wouldn't win a game in the series. If there is any way you get them to let down there guard at all then you do it. Zen never said that they sat down and planned it out, nobody said that. But nevertheless that is what happens, players will play the psyche game as much as they can. Get them to relax and then you have them where you want them, get them over confident and you can shut them down. Kobe does that in individual games all the time. Acts like he is in pain and then comes back playing harder than before, why wouldn't he do that for a series that isn't the sweep you were planning on.
SO-CAL Jazz Fan | 9:59 p.m. May 11, 2008
Re: The Lakers are dirty?
Are you blind or something?! Either that or you forget things easily! Need I remind you of RONNY TURIAF and his flagrant-2 foul on Ronnie Price, or Kobe's stiff arm to AK47 late in the game and got called for the foul instead of Kobe? I'm not denying that the Jazz are a physical team, but you're a biased fool if you think the fakers play squeaky clean basketball every moment they're on the floor.
And you know what, I HATE the Lakers, I HATE the entire arrogant & smug bandwagoning fanbase of your team, and I'm ashamed to be living in Southern California with you people! Listening to all of your obnoxious rants makes it feel all the better when we beat you guys!! GO JAZZ!! BEAT LA!!!
Are you blind or something?! Either that or you forget things easily! Need I remind you of RONNY TURIAF and his flagrant-2 foul on Ronnie Price, or Kobe's stiff arm to AK47 late in the game and got called for the foul instead of Kobe? I'm not denying that the Jazz are a physical team, but you're a biased fool if you think the fakers play squeaky clean basketball every moment they're on the floor.
And you know what, I HATE the Lakers, I HATE the entire arrogant & smug bandwagoning fanbase of your team, and I'm ashamed to be living in Southern California with you people! Listening to all of your obnoxious rants makes it feel all the better when we beat you guys!! GO JAZZ!! BEAT LA!!!
RE: re: zen master strategy | 10:16 p.m. May 11, 2008
The Jazz didn't win because Kobe was hurt. He still got his points and the
Jazz prevailed. Boozer and Williams are both playing hurt so no excuses. The
Jazz won that game, period.
The Turiaf foul was unacceptable and I hope it leads to a suspension. Phil Jackson said it was not a flagrant foul (but admitted that he hadn't watched the tapes). That kind of conduct you will not see by any Jazz player in this series. At least we can lose and not make excuses.
Kobe reminds me of a junior high school kid who works hard to get attention. He is a good enough player that he doesnt need any help but he sure gets it.
Great game Jazz....see you in LA
The Turiaf foul was unacceptable and I hope it leads to a suspension. Phil Jackson said it was not a flagrant foul (but admitted that he hadn't watched the tapes). That kind of conduct you will not see by any Jazz player in this series. At least we can lose and not make excuses.
Kobe reminds me of a junior high school kid who works hard to get attention. He is a good enough player that he doesnt need any help but he sure gets it.
Great game Jazz....see you in LA
McKay | 10:19 p.m. May 11, 2008
Boozer (back), DWill (hand) and Mehmet (achilles) are all playing injured and
you don't see them playing it up like Kobe... Maybe it's genuine maybe
it's not, but it looks a little suspicious when he only grimaced or winced
after he missed shots or got beat defensively
Re: The Lakers Are Dirty? | 10:26 p.m. May 11, 2008
No one says that Kobe doesn't get the calls he deserves, the problem is
that he gets MORE of them than he deserves.
Kobe's push on Andrei was CLEARLY an offensive foul due to frustration due to his lack of mobility.
Kobe's push on Andrei was CLEARLY an offensive foul due to frustration due to his lack of mobility.
Ryan | 10:31 p.m. May 11, 2008
Phil Jackson, at the end of his press interview said: "Well, they've
extended this series to six. Now it's a six game series." Then he
talks about how they will have to see about Kobe's condition for the next
game. He seems to be playing a mental strategy on the Jazz for having them
underprepare since Kobe is supposedly injured too badly to play normal
basketball. What a bunch of lies! I hope that the Jazz prove this man and team
wrong. I fully believe that if the Jazz win this next game, then they will take
the series.
Flagrant | 10:39 p.m. May 11, 2008
"That foul that was called a Flagrant 2 on Turiaf was the biggest load of
B.S. I have seen."
Apparently you haven't seen much then.
There was already a whistle blown on a foul on the drive. Turiaf's takedown of Price was completely unnecessary - it was a dead play. And a flying body slam on a guy much smaller than you is pathetic.
Flagrant 2, no question.
Apparently you haven't seen much then.
There was already a whistle blown on a foul on the drive. Turiaf's takedown of Price was completely unnecessary - it was a dead play. And a flying body slam on a guy much smaller than you is pathetic.
Flagrant 2, no question.
SP | 10:42 p.m. May 11, 2008
The Jazz are tough at home but still barely won. The Jazz have not lost every
game at the Staples Center this year by 10 points or more. Until they prove
they can even make the game close the Lakers will win the series. Game 5 to the
Lakers. Game 6 will once again come down to the very end. If and I say if
there is a game 7 the Lakers will blow the Jazz away.
re b rock | 10:45 p.m. May 11, 2008
I think the reason the floor sound goes in and out is to keep massive expletives
from being broadcast on live tv...
Arm Chair Coaches | 10:48 p.m. May 11, 2008
Its funny how everyone sits at home and thinks how easy it is to play. Of course
Boozer realizes he needs to take it to the basket because he is missing outside
shots. The Lakers do as well. They back off. Of course DWill realizes Fisher is
hitting his shots. He was on him, fisher got loose through screens and hit a
three with dwill all over him.
Reality is its not as easy as it seems on TV. Players are in the NBA because they can overcome the obvious. Leave your coaching to you video games. You sound as bad as the anouncers stating the obvious.
Reality is its not as easy as it seems on TV. Players are in the NBA because they can overcome the obvious. Leave your coaching to you video games. You sound as bad as the anouncers stating the obvious.
NO | 10:56 p.m. May 11, 2008
BigJazzFan:
I guess your perfect NO team isn't championship caliber either. I hardly consider West and Chandler as dominant bigmen.
Peja is just a smaller Okur. When hitting their threes, their team is very hard to beat. Of course that is the same game plan every team uses.
With most things being equal, whomever hits the three normally will win the game.
I guess your perfect NO team isn't championship caliber either. I hardly consider West and Chandler as dominant bigmen.
Peja is just a smaller Okur. When hitting their threes, their team is very hard to beat. Of course that is the same game plan every team uses.
With most things being equal, whomever hits the three normally will win the game.
So Cal Jazzman | 11:03 p.m. May 11, 2008
Kudos for the win. I was cursing when the 12 point lead vanished but the Jazz
showed me something in OT.
I like Sloan's old school mindset most of the time but I would like to see Brewer in the game in the 4th quarter. His defense is good and he gets his points inside, something the rest of the team forgets how to do late in the game. Sloan seems to be stuck in the same rotation patern no mattter what. Jerry, it's the playoffs. It's ok to mix things up.
I like Sloan's old school mindset most of the time but I would like to see Brewer in the game in the 4th quarter. His defense is good and he gets his points inside, something the rest of the team forgets how to do late in the game. Sloan seems to be stuck in the same rotation patern no mattter what. Jerry, it's the playoffs. It's ok to mix things up.
Go_Jazz_Win | 11:05 p.m. May 11, 2008
I wish Derek Fisher was playing for the Jazz still, but I hold nothing against
him for making a decision that he felt was best for his family.
houston jazz fan | 11:30 p.m. May 11, 2008
Whoever said that Jazz fans know nothing about basketball needs to keep their
mouth firmly shut. I'm sure that most laker fans couldn't even tell
you what offense the lakers run. get over it, our fans rock. their loud, their
proud, they don't have the drama on the team that LA requires. JAZZ is
where it's at.
Hollywood | 11:30 p.m. May 11, 2008
What a whiner. Suck it up Kobe. Don't grimace every time down the court.
And like soemone else noted, yeah, it sure looked he was hurt when he did his
pretty pose after tieing up the game at the half.
Fisher got hot. Odom had his best game. And Utah hung on for the win. It's down to best of three. Do I think LA will win? Yes - in seven. But UT does have a chance for a huge upset.
But LA will need to collapse, because UT ain't getting any calls in games 5 or 7. Kobe gets "Jordan-treatment" and the league wants LA in the finals. It's going to take a monumental effort by the Jazz to take either of those games.
Fisher got hot. Odom had his best game. And Utah hung on for the win. It's down to best of three. Do I think LA will win? Yes - in seven. But UT does have a chance for a huge upset.
But LA will need to collapse, because UT ain't getting any calls in games 5 or 7. Kobe gets "Jordan-treatment" and the league wants LA in the finals. It's going to take a monumental effort by the Jazz to take either of those games.
Dean | 11:35 p.m. May 11, 2008
Phil Jackson's Post Game Comments Laughable.
Come on! Take credit for your team's lack of execution and be a man. The whining and complaining was ridiculous and shows your lack of class. The simple truth is the Lakers were out played. End of story Phil.
Go Jazz!
Come on! Take credit for your team's lack of execution and be a man. The whining and complaining was ridiculous and shows your lack of class. The simple truth is the Lakers were out played. End of story Phil.
Go Jazz!
game | 11:55 p.m. May 11, 2008
AGGGGHH...we won but man can we not keep a lead. I do have a new respect for
Kobe. I hated him back in the late nineties but man he can play.
I glad we have D-will!
I glad we have D-will!
Re: Lakers are a better team | 12:05 a.m. May 12, 2008
Wait - you have one skinny talented Eurostar we have one.
We have a talented center, oh wait, you just used him up to counter Andrei.
Oh, wow, you have no real answer for Boozer (when he shows up).
Oh shucks, we forgot to rotate on Fisher... that'll happen next time, forget him.
So really you have Kobe, but we have Williams and a far superior supporting cast.
Face it, without Phil Jackson the Lakers would still be terrible. While Sloan is very, very important the Jazz are a far more talented team overall that the Lakers and because of Sloan they play better as a team.
How many assists did you have in the overtime? Oh wait, zero, how many buckets? Oh yeah, one.
We have a talented center, oh wait, you just used him up to counter Andrei.
Oh, wow, you have no real answer for Boozer (when he shows up).
Oh shucks, we forgot to rotate on Fisher... that'll happen next time, forget him.
So really you have Kobe, but we have Williams and a far superior supporting cast.
Face it, without Phil Jackson the Lakers would still be terrible. While Sloan is very, very important the Jazz are a far more talented team overall that the Lakers and because of Sloan they play better as a team.
How many assists did you have in the overtime? Oh wait, zero, how many buckets? Oh yeah, one.
Sinan | 12:43 a.m. May 12, 2008
Great game, great win. This the Jazz, runs to the final. The referees, they are
humanbeing and they may make mistakes. But of course they must be very carefull
esp. on final minutes. Memo's tech foul was created by the referee, no
doubt. Please imagine, final minutes..you touch the ball but they call
foul..maybe the game will fly away..maybe all efforts will go away..what do you
think Memo do under that circumstance ? Smile ?? Common referees, please think
of players mental positions a bit and then give a decision to the action.
GO MEMO, GO JAZZZZZZZZZZ, I BELIVE WE'RE GONNA BEAT THE L.A. AT THEIR HOME.
GO MEMO, GO JAZZZZZZZZZZ, I BELIVE WE'RE GONNA BEAT THE L.A. AT THEIR HOME.
way to go Jazz | 2:03 a.m. May 12, 2008
talk about hating a city...LA is awful! It is the dirties, most polluted hole on
the west coast. "stars" who live there make a living PRETENDING to be
something they are not (like luke walton...at least when daddy isn't
talking him up on tv)...or coach phillip being all zen-like just because he
works for his girlfriends dad (does he still live with his parents?)and rubs his
cool v-shaped goatee. (Has anyone told him triangles have been around for a
really, really long time?)
It will be a sad day when LA is cleaved off into the sea...for the fish! (and yes, I do mean d.fish and all the other poor souls who have to endure LA traffic)
It will be a sad day when LA is cleaved off into the sea...for the fish! (and yes, I do mean d.fish and all the other poor souls who have to endure LA traffic)
jazzfan | 2:44 a.m. May 12, 2008
We have a series
ArnarG | 5:29 a.m. May 12, 2008
Please stop talk about Kobe being hurt, if he plays, if he puts his uniform on
he isn�t injured. I remember thats what Karl Malone said
few years ago.
If you�re going to have excuses, dont,�t play.
I agree eith people who say that "Zen master" is trying to physche or smoething. Please ignore that arrogant "master". Kobe is not MJ, though both himself and Jackson think he is.
Go UTAH!!
If you�re going to have excuses, dont,�t play.
I agree eith people who say that "Zen master" is trying to physche or smoething. Please ignore that arrogant "master". Kobe is not MJ, though both himself and Jackson think he is.
Go UTAH!!
re:re: zen master strategy | 6:31 a.m. May 12, 2008
actually you have no clue what I called. I actually called the Lakers in 6 so
I'm still on track. The Lakers will win in LA and close out in Utah.
As for the psychology of the game...my point was exagerated to point out how lame your argument was. There was no need for Kobe and Jordan to pretend to be injured. Do you really think a "kobe injury" psychology game worked? With Jordan they talked about it before the game - with Kobe it happened in the 1st quarter. How does that even impact the game psychology. It didn't really start impacting his shot until the 4th quarter when he stopped driving and started passing more.
So -that's the point. Don't put useless garbage on the board. Plain and simple, the Lakers lost 2 games and we Lakers fans can accept that. The fact that the Jazz fans always believe in wierd conspiracy/psychological warfare etc is just a measure of how isolated you are from the "big city".
The Lakers will win in LA and then close out in Utah.
See you in Utah...
As for the psychology of the game...my point was exagerated to point out how lame your argument was. There was no need for Kobe and Jordan to pretend to be injured. Do you really think a "kobe injury" psychology game worked? With Jordan they talked about it before the game - with Kobe it happened in the 1st quarter. How does that even impact the game psychology. It didn't really start impacting his shot until the 4th quarter when he stopped driving and started passing more.
So -that's the point. Don't put useless garbage on the board. Plain and simple, the Lakers lost 2 games and we Lakers fans can accept that. The fact that the Jazz fans always believe in wierd conspiracy/psychological warfare etc is just a measure of how isolated you are from the "big city".
The Lakers will win in LA and then close out in Utah.
See you in Utah...
re: refs were aweful | 6:47 a.m. May 12, 2008
First- let's understand and all agree that no ref ever calls a perfect
game. And the conspiracy theorists...well they're never happy so I'm
not concerned about them.
Second- Go watch each of the 3 (non-technical fouls) again in slow replay.
AK fouling Kobe: In the replay, Kirilenko was moving his feet when contact was made. Yes Kobe initiated contact but AK didn't square his shoulders. Hence:Personal foul against AK. Go watch the replay.
Korver fouling Sasha: In fast motion it looked like an elbow to the face but in slow motion, you're right - you can see that the ref missed the call. Should have been a no call.
DWill fouling fisher: Just being Fisher put his should down doesn't make it an offensive foul. Fisher drove and DWill shuffled his feet but didn't square his body so that's always a blocking foul.
Okur-tech: No idea-Kobe's been called for the exact same thing in the regular season so have a lot of other players.
So-the funny thing is that you only pay attention to the fouls that impact you. Don't pretend that the refs didn't miss a couple on the other end.
Second- Go watch each of the 3 (non-technical fouls) again in slow replay.
AK fouling Kobe: In the replay, Kirilenko was moving his feet when contact was made. Yes Kobe initiated contact but AK didn't square his shoulders. Hence:Personal foul against AK. Go watch the replay.
Korver fouling Sasha: In fast motion it looked like an elbow to the face but in slow motion, you're right - you can see that the ref missed the call. Should have been a no call.
DWill fouling fisher: Just being Fisher put his should down doesn't make it an offensive foul. Fisher drove and DWill shuffled his feet but didn't square his body so that's always a blocking foul.
Okur-tech: No idea-Kobe's been called for the exact same thing in the regular season so have a lot of other players.
So-the funny thing is that you only pay attention to the fouls that impact you. Don't pretend that the refs didn't miss a couple on the other end.
Rich | 6:56 a.m. May 12, 2008
Fisher played well, despite what at least one announcer said. I admire him for
putting family first, passing up several million dollars in the process. His
daughter with eye cancer is getting better care in LA than she could in SLC
simply because no oncologists specializing in her very rare form of cancer are
practicing in SLC. Not only is she continuing to visit the specialists in NYC
but is being watched by specialists in California between trips back East.
Anybody who is idiotic enough or stupid enough to think that Fisher deserves
criticism for placing priority on her life over his loyalty to the Jazz, do us
all a favor. Please boo Fisher each time he touches the ball so that we can
identify the morons among us.
re:re: Refs were Awful | 9:15 a.m. May 12, 2008
Kobe extended his arm and pushed off - the call isn't that two players
fell over, or that Kirlinkio was trying to get his feet set. If you get in front
of a man and have position if he runs into you it's HIS fault. You
don't need to have your feet set for an offensive foul. But that's
hardly the point even if you're SHOOTING the ball if you push off and
extend your arm as Kobe did it is a foul. Kobe sure as heck wasn't shooting
the ball.
Again, just because Dwill wasn't "square" does not mean it isn't an offensive foul both players have a right to position and do NOT have to vacate as long as they're occupying that position. I don't understand where this "squared shoulders" thing you are using came from - maybe for setting a pick or a screen but not in individual defense.
Yes, Kobe gets technicals, that's not the point, the point is that when the Lakers protested during the PLAYOFFS (big difference isn't it?) during the SAME game, no techs were called.
Again, just because Dwill wasn't "square" does not mean it isn't an offensive foul both players have a right to position and do NOT have to vacate as long as they're occupying that position. I don't understand where this "squared shoulders" thing you are using came from - maybe for setting a pick or a screen but not in individual defense.
Yes, Kobe gets technicals, that's not the point, the point is that when the Lakers protested during the PLAYOFFS (big difference isn't it?) during the SAME game, no techs were called.
Anonymous | 9:18 a.m. May 12, 2008
Refs were awful...
as for the conspiracy...one name: Tim Donaghy
as for the Kobe foul...it's tough to set your feet while being STIFF-ARMED down the court!!!
No one can dispute the fact that Kobe gets very special treatment on the court...or that ABC/ESPN is more pro LA Fakers than CNN is pro Obama (and that is a lot!)
as for the conspiracy...one name: Tim Donaghy
as for the Kobe foul...it's tough to set your feet while being STIFF-ARMED down the court!!!
No one can dispute the fact that Kobe gets very special treatment on the court...or that ABC/ESPN is more pro LA Fakers than CNN is pro Obama (and that is a lot!)
GO JAZZ GO | 11:52 a.m. May 12, 2008
Game 4 showed what the Utah Jazz can really do when THEY REALLY WANT TO PLAY AND
WORK HARD for a game, I think they can win the series, AK still playing good in
defense with Kobe, LAKERS without kobe = NOTHING,NADA,ZERO!!! We have more than
5 talented players, they have 1 and 4 helpers.
GO JAZZ!!!
GO JAZZ!!!
Jakarta Jazz: to Ernest | 1:24 p.m. May 12, 2008
Jazz in 6. Kobe Makes Vacation Plan. Nothing's stopping DWill.
Re: Re: Re: Zen Master etc. | 6:21 p.m. May 12, 2008
First of all, I didn't post the original message. I was just responding to
your ridiculous post. I didn't say that the strategy was effective. Kobe
proved that. I said that players use it, whether intentionally or not. I have
a doctorate in sports psychology and this comes up all the time.
Secondly, I lived in Los Angeles for about 3 years and now live in Dallas (a much better place to live, by FAR), and so your comment about me not being from the "Big city" is pompous and ignorant. Just leave it alone.
Secondly, I lived in Los Angeles for about 3 years and now live in Dallas (a much better place to live, by FAR), and so your comment about me not being from the "Big city" is pompous and ignorant. Just leave it alone.
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