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Texas says all YFZ kids at risk
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The Eyes of Texas | 2:13 a.m. May 10, 2008
The problem is...girls marry early, strict religous programming of children,
patriarchal obedience to elders, a community isolated from the mainstream
culture...
I bet the Amish aren't planning to move to Texas anytime soon.
I bet the Amish aren't planning to move to Texas anytime soon.
ThunderBulldog | 2:57 a.m. May 10, 2008
Texas is Heartless.
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CA | 4:56 a.m. May 10, 2008
God Bless Texas!!
luckyNotMe | 5:55 a.m. May 10, 2008
Well, at least they're being forthcoming. The FLDS are not a Texas-approved
religion. And, as such, can be "dismantled" because "their belief
system requires that they follow the prophet."
If you have a like belief and you don't in some way stand up for these people, keep your mouth shut when the state comes after you and your prophet.
If you have a like belief and you don't in some way stand up for these people, keep your mouth shut when the state comes after you and your prophet.
Mahonri | 5:55 a.m. May 10, 2008
TexaSS is finally admitting the truth: they don't like the groups religious
beliefs.
LDS better watch out as Section 132 of the D&C still has that commandment in it. It has not changed. It is still a Belief... and TexaSS has shown that is all they need.
LDS better watch out as Section 132 of the D&C still has that commandment in it. It has not changed. It is still a Belief... and TexaSS has shown that is all they need.
avengeance | 5:57 a.m. May 10, 2008
Well, at least they were honest enough to finally come out and say it. You can
be a member of the Church of Statn, and that doesn't break laws. You can
be a member of the National Man Boy Love Association, and that's okay. But
you dangerous religious freaks: we're coming for you, and we're going
to commit genocide to destroy you!
Thought / faith crime is now a reality. You don't have to actually break laws (as we know EVERY adult there hasn't broken laws), you just have to BELIEVE something the government consideres DANGEROUS to the children.
So they all need to be taken away, and put in mainstream society, where they can believe things like how it's okay to have sex with no strings attached. How it's okay to numb your mind on high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and prescription drugs. How it's okay to do the bare minimum to get by, and complain that "the man" is holding you down. And how it's okay to destroy entire communities if you don't like their beliefs.
This is truely a sad day in American history.
Thought / faith crime is now a reality. You don't have to actually break laws (as we know EVERY adult there hasn't broken laws), you just have to BELIEVE something the government consideres DANGEROUS to the children.
So they all need to be taken away, and put in mainstream society, where they can believe things like how it's okay to have sex with no strings attached. How it's okay to numb your mind on high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and prescription drugs. How it's okay to do the bare minimum to get by, and complain that "the man" is holding you down. And how it's okay to destroy entire communities if you don't like their beliefs.
This is truely a sad day in American history.
Pat | 6:35 a.m. May 10, 2008
Before the unspeakable damage goes any further to these children, Texas needs to
present to all adult women IN ONE SITTING (meeting) a choice:
Give the state a written, signed statement identifying all of their own children AND each child`s father`s name. On separate signed statement give the state the names and parentage of every child in the community as they understand it to be.
Any refusal or lie will disqualify each mother from any further consideration to be reunited with their children. Period.
In one sitting meet with all men from the community.
Instruct them to remove themselves from the YFZ property, secure employment outside the "ranch" and send whatever money they can to an office set up on the "ranch" operated by women of the "ranch" and OPEN to the state`s view.
These women can "run" the "ranch". They are well-used to hard work.
UNTIL the state has time to figure out what`s in the long-term best interest of these children, THEY should be returned to HOME and their own MOTHERS!
Anything less is DESTROYING (for LIFE) children the state should be PROTECTING! Once they "get it", they will no longer advance this garbage to their children.
Give the state a written, signed statement identifying all of their own children AND each child`s father`s name. On separate signed statement give the state the names and parentage of every child in the community as they understand it to be.
Any refusal or lie will disqualify each mother from any further consideration to be reunited with their children. Period.
In one sitting meet with all men from the community.
Instruct them to remove themselves from the YFZ property, secure employment outside the "ranch" and send whatever money they can to an office set up on the "ranch" operated by women of the "ranch" and OPEN to the state`s view.
These women can "run" the "ranch". They are well-used to hard work.
UNTIL the state has time to figure out what`s in the long-term best interest of these children, THEY should be returned to HOME and their own MOTHERS!
Anything less is DESTROYING (for LIFE) children the state should be PROTECTING! Once they "get it", they will no longer advance this garbage to their children.
Dave | 6:41 a.m. May 10, 2008
Guilt by association.
buckland | 6:55 a.m. May 10, 2008
"A waste of judicial resources"?
SO now spending court time to ensure justice for children forible - at gunpoint- separated from their parents is a waste of 'judical resources'?
Texas CPS will lose this one - and go down hard.
I onlly hope the DA, CPS, and judge get the Nifong treatment they so deserve.
SO now spending court time to ensure justice for children forible - at gunpoint- separated from their parents is a waste of 'judical resources'?
Texas CPS will lose this one - and go down hard.
I onlly hope the DA, CPS, and judge get the Nifong treatment they so deserve.
David S | 6:59 a.m. May 10, 2008
Visible punishment of specific crimes deters others from committing those
crimes. But you have to wait until people commit crimes before you punish.
Can I gather up everyone who listens to violent rap music because it preaches a belief system of violence?
This article makes it clear Texas is not going after crimes, but a belief system--a religion. Instead of prosecuting those who are guilty, they are preemptively punishing all.
Texas should uphold the law while showing respect for the law by aggressively punishing those who have married underage girls and allowing all the children to return home. When Texas levels specific charges, arrests the men, and returns the children, they will have done their duty in all respects and will earn much wider support.
Can I gather up everyone who listens to violent rap music because it preaches a belief system of violence?
This article makes it clear Texas is not going after crimes, but a belief system--a religion. Instead of prosecuting those who are guilty, they are preemptively punishing all.
Texas should uphold the law while showing respect for the law by aggressively punishing those who have married underage girls and allowing all the children to return home. When Texas levels specific charges, arrests the men, and returns the children, they will have done their duty in all respects and will earn much wider support.
Howard | 7:00 a.m. May 10, 2008
With over 30% of females becoming pregnant as teens, the United States has the
highest rates of teen pregnancy and births in the industrialized world costing
the over $9 billion annually. Moreover, nearly 80% of the fathers of babies born
to teen mothers do not marry their babies' mothers. Then, to make matters
worse, on average, these absent fathers pay less than $800 annually for child
support. Half of high school students in the country are having intercourse. So,
I guess we better round up and take the whole country into custody. Either that
or stop moralizing to the FLDS. At least the don't flush hundreds of
thousands of their unborn fetuses down the hospital drain like the rest of the
people on their moral high horses.
Damgerous Beliefs | 7:04 a.m. May 10, 2008
There isn't enough room in a whole newspaper to list all the dangerous
belief systems that parents teach and pass on to their children. But we
don't take their kids from them for those beliefs. If there is specific
evidence of abuse then deal with it but for some State attorney to suggest that
their belief system is enough to permanently take their kids, we are truly
traveling a new, downward path for which the end is no where in sight. The
Supreme Court will take these statements from Texas officials and throw them out
big time. Unfortunately, the kids and their parents are largely the ones hurt
by all this.
Scary | 7:21 a.m. May 10, 2008
Okay, now this allegation takes the cake and is the most scary to us all outside
of child brides/pregnancies. This touches every single home and every single
neighborhood. When will our beliefs be labled dangerous? Laws can change daily
to define a new "abuse". When will loyalty to Jesus, the Pope, or
other religious figures be labled abuse? We are throwing the baby out with the
bathwater with this if allowed. This is sure taking a nose dive away from all
the allegations of rape and sexual abuse. This is a DANGEROUS precident. I
actually am agreeing with TLRA's comment about the children's removal
being like salt on an open wound. I belong to a "conservative"
religious belief system, not FLDS, and when the state starts being thought
police this is a very very dangerous precident for us all. What is labled
"extreme" was not so years ago (I am not talking about sexually raping
girls..I am mentionig things like husbands head of the home) and this definition
and judging bar changes daily. We all need to watch this part of the case as it
will be in our backyard tomorrow if we don't. This can go beyond reason.
Judy | 7:25 a.m. May 10, 2008
CPS has now made this explicitly a religious issue. There has to be a road to
parent/child reunification, even if it requires mothers to leave the compound.
CPS gives crack addicts the chance to clean up to get back their kids, which
often entails them changing where they live, getting a job and taking parenting
classes These mothers will need a similar opportunity. However, I don't
see how CPS can require that these women change their religion because that is a
constitutionally protected right. The higher courts are going to have to
address the line of freedom of religion when religious practices conflict with
child welfare laws. This is going to very interesting but it is going to take a
long time. I feel sorry for the children caught in the controversy.
Flabbergasted | 8:02 a.m. May 10, 2008
Does anyone realize the ramifications of wholesale declarations that ALL people
in a group believe the same thing? Finally, the attorneys are getting to the
heart of the matter. What a double standard it is to apply this line of
thinking to ALL people in a group. By this logic, ALL Catholic priests would be
child molesters and the parents of the victims would be child abusers for
"failure to protect." Furthermore, ALL foster parents would also be
child abusers (don't forget the statistics of abuse in foster care that are
much higher than the norm). Why didn't Texas remove ALL of the children in
their TYC (Texas Youth Commission) facilities (juvenile jail)? Was there not
PROVEN SYSTEMIC abuse? Double standards apply for CPS and the law doesn't
matter to them. This precedent is DANGEROUS and OUTRAGEOUS! Whose mind will
they be reading next?
Thomas | 8:05 a.m. May 10, 2008
By attacking their "dangerous belief systems" the CPS is confirming
that is a case of religious persecutuion. Actions and not beliefs are what
matter. The evidence for any abuse is slender. Certainly, there is no evidence
for this mass round-up of chidren.
Michigander | 8:09 a.m. May 10, 2008
The State of Texas will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
For the past years I've been reading everything I could lay my hands on in regards to LDFS and must say, some oversight of their practices is necessary. Especially in the Eldorado compound.since Warren Jeffs imposed doctrines are so restrictive it will prevent any one of those children to be able to live on it's own, always dependent on it's own people, that is a form of slavery. The idea that a prophet decides when a girl is ready to marry and to whom, usually the man who can be relied on to make his wives the most obedient, is repulsive. To suppress an inquisitive mind, to explore what the world has to offer, the good or bad, is part of what matures a person. This will be sorted out, never to anyones satisfaction, but the State at least tried to make sure 'business as usual' will never go on again in the Eldorado compound.
For the past years I've been reading everything I could lay my hands on in regards to LDFS and must say, some oversight of their practices is necessary. Especially in the Eldorado compound.since Warren Jeffs imposed doctrines are so restrictive it will prevent any one of those children to be able to live on it's own, always dependent on it's own people, that is a form of slavery. The idea that a prophet decides when a girl is ready to marry and to whom, usually the man who can be relied on to make his wives the most obedient, is repulsive. To suppress an inquisitive mind, to explore what the world has to offer, the good or bad, is part of what matures a person. This will be sorted out, never to anyones satisfaction, but the State at least tried to make sure 'business as usual' will never go on again in the Eldorado compound.
John | 8:13 a.m. May 10, 2008
Where is the due process for the other 95% of the children involved Here? If I
remember right, 31% of the teens in America become pregnant. Nobody is taking
them away from their homes.
Finally | 8:50 a.m. May 10, 2008
Texas admits what it is all aboub, someones religious beliefs.
Manson family values | 8:51 a.m. May 10, 2008
FLDS Texas was more like a Manson style cult than a religion; girls brainwashed
to accept statutory rape, extensive sexual activity and childbirth outside
bounds of legal marriage, families broken up and reassigned at whim, and all
sworn to follow without question the orders of a convicted pedophile.
It is difficult to fathom the reasoning of those who continue to defend the practices at YFZ.
Texas officials should be applauded for acting assertively to rescue and protect the children caught up in this tragedy.
It is difficult to fathom the reasoning of those who continue to defend the practices at YFZ.
Texas officials should be applauded for acting assertively to rescue and protect the children caught up in this tragedy.
Barry | 8:57 a.m. May 10, 2008
Go to any website dealing with teen pregnancy and look at the national
statistics. The FLDS have much lower incidence of teen pregancy than the rest of
the country. Hey, how about Texas requiring every female age 11 and up to be
vacinated for HPV (street name- "genital warts").
Ted | 9:00 a.m. May 10, 2008
Hey, this is good. They are doing the right thing for these kids. This cult is
not good and needs to be closed down. Using God to marry little girls is wrong.
John Lambert | 9:01 a.m. May 10, 2008
The Texas authorities lie in their arguments. They say that the FLDS feel
"No age is too young for marriage". I have read that the average age
of marriage for women in Thailand in 9. There is NO EVIDENCE that the FLDS have
done any marriages with girls who are pre-pubescent. Puberty is clearly viewed
as a minimum age by the FLDS, so there are ages that are too young for
marriage.
The problem is that the FLDS and Texas authorities do not see eye to eye on what the proper minimum age should be. However since the FLDS do accept a minimum age, the Texas CPS is mis-stating their case and also making the FLDS seem less able to compromise and change their ways than is the case.
Since the FLDS accept that there is an age under which marriage should not occur it is theoretically possible that friendly discussion could convince them to change the age at which they start marrying their daughters.
The problem is that the FLDS and Texas authorities do not see eye to eye on what the proper minimum age should be. However since the FLDS do accept a minimum age, the Texas CPS is mis-stating their case and also making the FLDS seem less able to compromise and change their ways than is the case.
Since the FLDS accept that there is an age under which marriage should not occur it is theoretically possible that friendly discussion could convince them to change the age at which they start marrying their daughters.
John Lambert | 9:01 a.m. May 10, 2008
What next, will LDS boys have the choice of being dragged off from their homes
or will them and their parents just have to renounce belief in following the
teachings of Thomas S. Monson?
I for one do not like the line that the boys are in danger because "They believe in following the teaching of the prophet."
I for one do not like the line that the boys are in danger because "They believe in following the teaching of the prophet."
Anonymous | 9:09 a.m. May 10, 2008
To all you "good" Christians that are cheering CPS just wait a few
more years and you won't be cheering.
Do you know what psychology also considers unhealthy beliefs:
*masturbation is wrong
*birth control should not be used
*gay and lesbians are going to hell
*People who are not "saved" are going to hell
Does your church teach any of these beliefs? Well, then you should have your children removed, it's unhealthy for them. The State should immediately remove all children and not return them until you renounce your religion. Don't think it will happen, just let this case go through and see.
Do you know what psychology also considers unhealthy beliefs:
*masturbation is wrong
*birth control should not be used
*gay and lesbians are going to hell
*People who are not "saved" are going to hell
Does your church teach any of these beliefs? Well, then you should have your children removed, it's unhealthy for them. The State should immediately remove all children and not return them until you renounce your religion. Don't think it will happen, just let this case go through and see.
Dangerous Belief System? | 9:11 a.m. May 10, 2008
I do NOT believe in what they do in the FLDS
organization�..BUT
I�m appalled at the rational used to justify the treatment of them.
For instance:
�Texas child welfare attorneys say children were removed � because its residents live as one big family and all have the same dangerous belief system.�
What has happened to our whole country? �Dangerous belief system�?
And it�s a SAFE Belief system that the rest of the country lives�.ie�.. homosexual relationships and even placing children in homes of homosexual partners?
At least the FLDS believe in marriage. The rest of the country allows men to have sex with and live with women without marriage.
The rest of the country is beginning to allow men to marry men and women to marry women.
WHO has the �DANGEROUS BELIEF SYSTEM�?
I�m appalled at the rational used to justify the treatment of them.
For instance:
�Texas child welfare attorneys say children were removed � because its residents live as one big family and all have the same dangerous belief system.�
What has happened to our whole country? �Dangerous belief system�?
And it�s a SAFE Belief system that the rest of the country lives�.ie�.. homosexual relationships and even placing children in homes of homosexual partners?
At least the FLDS believe in marriage. The rest of the country allows men to have sex with and live with women without marriage.
The rest of the country is beginning to allow men to marry men and women to marry women.
WHO has the �DANGEROUS BELIEF SYSTEM�?
relieved | 9:14 a.m. May 10, 2008
Children removed from a place wherein they are raised to be abused or are taught
to be party to abuse. How can any decent individual have an argument with that?
Get Real CPS! | 9:15 a.m. May 10, 2008
�One large community�,
�the children all call each other brothers and
sisters�. Wow, this sounds terrible! Could CPS concern for
these children be exaggerated? FYI: CPS agencies get huge amount of money from
the federal government for every child adopted - and if not adopted funding is
cut in other programs. Hmmm�very concerning alright, kudos
to the CPS boss.
Why not focus on the alleged perpetrators? They have the DNA. Because CPS is too big to be in touch and too busy and too motivated to care.
Why not focus on the alleged perpetrators? They have the DNA. Because CPS is too big to be in touch and too busy and too motivated to care.
mary kecxon | 9:17 a.m. May 10, 2008
The child protective services are absolutely correct in not returning the
children to their mothers. Those mothers with their sick beliefs are
endangering their children that they say they love. How can a mother subject
their children to this sick belief? I am a mother and I worked hard to protect
my children from all the evils out there. I am so happy for the chldren that
they do not have to go through what their mothers went through. May God help
them to fit into the world one day.
YES to Texas | 9:21 a.m. May 10, 2008
This is a great story that deals with several subjects open to debate. But from
what I read, the FLDS attorneys have no substance to their arguments, and the
state attorneys are the ones with facts to back them up.
1. If the prophet says, "flee", the women will flee.
2. If their husband says, "flee", the women will flee.
3. If the prophet says, "marry" to an underage girl, she will marry and have sex while underage.
4. FACT - the FLDS women and men are lying right and left and at best, are raising the suspicions and proving themselves to be hiding incriminating evidence.
5. The only position the FLDS attorneys are taking is, "uh -uh!" on every point.
By their actions and core beliefs, they force Texas to the current situation, of their own making. I was always taught to tell the truth and accept the consequences. In this way, perpetrators and victims can heal and move ahead. I suggest this course to the FLDS. Establish a plan of course correction, allow for probation and regular follow up, and keep the agreements. You'll find the Texas authorities to resolve each case favorably.
1. If the prophet says, "flee", the women will flee.
2. If their husband says, "flee", the women will flee.
3. If the prophet says, "marry" to an underage girl, she will marry and have sex while underage.
4. FACT - the FLDS women and men are lying right and left and at best, are raising the suspicions and proving themselves to be hiding incriminating evidence.
5. The only position the FLDS attorneys are taking is, "uh -uh!" on every point.
By their actions and core beliefs, they force Texas to the current situation, of their own making. I was always taught to tell the truth and accept the consequences. In this way, perpetrators and victims can heal and move ahead. I suggest this course to the FLDS. Establish a plan of course correction, allow for probation and regular follow up, and keep the agreements. You'll find the Texas authorities to resolve each case favorably.
Hate to say it | 9:29 a.m. May 10, 2008
but i told you so. It never was about Sarah.
Let's hope no TX officals go to an LDS ward and hear the members referring to each other as "brother and sister".
Let's hope no TX officals go to an LDS ward and hear the members referring to each other as "brother and sister".
Pauline | 9:32 a.m. May 10, 2008
Why aren't these parents being given a fair trial???? Surely all these
parents should not have their kids ripped from them!
XGI | 9:37 a.m. May 10, 2008
Wicked people will ALWAYS accuse others of doing just exactly what they
themselves are doing. The CPS and the judge are in fact the abusers and they
are lying through their teeth about the confusion about the names and age and
who each child belongs to. They were told the truth in the first place by the
mothers and children. They are not only destroying the respect that these
children could have had for law and order but they are telling the whole nation
that children do not need to be obedient to anyone. Why do most children and
young people fear cops? Why do we have gangs in this county?
Grooming the Young | 9:38 a.m. May 10, 2008
Are we not as guilty of "grooming young girls" for young sex? Have you
seen the TODDLER section of your local mall..Hoochie clothes and thong
underwear. Look at the online games for young girls.. girl love and kissing. Are
we not as guilty of abusing boys by teaching them to listen to the
"cultural prophet" Hollywood boys teaching our young boys to be
rebellious, do drugs, score some, and live for pleasure rather than purpose.
Let's focus on actual bruises and rape here. We are just as guilty of
grooming our young, just without a marriage certificate or vows or commitment
behind the acts. We punish the young mothers by ripping their children from
them. Our young mothers go to the local Planned Parenthood to get rid of the
evidence of older sex partners and they are never touched, or we give them free
housing, food, and medical. Sympathy for those who "choose" the sex
young, punishement for the girls who "choose" or forced and give
birth-no sympathy or help. We are hypocritcal guys. We say these girls are not
old enough to even choose to be married young but let's hand out free
condoms to 12 year olds.
XGI | 9:41 a.m. May 10, 2008
The bible teaches that the man is the head of the woman. So what is the matter
with being obedient? If these statements stand and are upheld by the court then
our religious freedoms are no more and we are all in deep trouble. Freedom of
speech is gone and even the media will eventually be governed by some government
agency. The media especially should be outraged at this implication that the
teaching are harmful to the children. The numbers just are not there. The
number of so called underage mothers or mothers to be are far, far less in flds
society than in the rest of TEXAS. What is wrong with marriage? It is far more
honorable than shaking up. These women were NOT forced. They do not look the
part or have the signs of immorality on them. Terrible people, they teach their
children to be obedient. What a crime. And they do it willing. What
brainwashing? This country is doomed. It is no better off to day than Sodom
or Gomura. The world hates them only because they are right. The world is a
wicked place
Marie | 9:46 a.m. May 10, 2008
Having grown up in an area in Ohio (YES, OHIO) that is FULL of KKK members who
do not hide their beliefs and hatred, I am now waiting for our Child Protective
Department to swoop down and save the kids of these zealots.
TheMadNuker | 10:02 a.m. May 10, 2008
Ah the sounds of Fascism! Gov. Perry where are you?
Does TEXAS have an "Approved Religion" list?
Note to all you people that use the term " Brothers and Sisters", you are next on the State of Texas's
"Undesirables List". Who would have thought that the
"Goose Step" would be resurrected in TEXAS!
Now if the Supreme Court would declare that "2ND Amendment" dead, then the Fascists could have alot
more fun. "Seig Heil", everyone! And you thought that this travesty would not affect you. Hey, your not an FLDS member. Don't worry, They will get around to you later.
Does TEXAS have an "Approved Religion" list?
Note to all you people that use the term " Brothers and Sisters", you are next on the State of Texas's
"Undesirables List". Who would have thought that the
"Goose Step" would be resurrected in TEXAS!
Now if the Supreme Court would declare that "2ND Amendment" dead, then the Fascists could have alot
more fun. "Seig Heil", everyone! And you thought that this travesty would not affect you. Hey, your not an FLDS member. Don't worry, They will get around to you later.
BDM | 10:06 a.m. May 10, 2008
It is ridiculous to compare teenage girls getting pregnant when they have
relationships with teenage boys to teenage girls being force to marry men old
enough to be their grandfathers.
transplant | 10:10 a.m. May 10, 2008
Including their religious beliefs and making it the case for the removal of the
children are two different things. It has to be an issue because the children
are not allowed to know anything else. Other polygamists children who live in
the society, go to public schools etc. learn, as they have a right to, that life
is about change and choice. They can choose to change their beliefs or give up
on living a belief-based life. As a child living with my mother's religion
beliefs I had to fast for six weeks during lent. I did not withhold food from my
children for any reason. We,our society, recognises that as incredibily cruel to
even consider now. It most certainly is child abuse. I would not have been able
to change my thinking living my whole life in an isolated compound.
Ekim | 10:14 a.m. May 10, 2008
Go Texas!!
shadow | 10:29 a.m. May 10, 2008
Let me err on the side of the young girls. This cult has set up shop where old
men get their jollies off of underaged girls. No? Yes? And they hide behind
calling a religion.
Texas takes a look and says, "This cult will continue the practice of old men justifying raping young girls in the name of God." Should we leave the kids there? Texas says "No."
Thank you Jesus for having someone with some backbone, some guts, some courage, some fortitude, some decency. Hurrah for child service in Texas.
The Shadow reads a lot of illogical trivia on this forum today. Go back, writers, and see if my first two paragraphs are wrong. Then write, write your hearts out. Use up the keyboard. But remember: rape is still rape, child abuse is still child abuse, and invoking God and heaven and the hereafter does not change those facts.
The Shadow Knows.
Texas takes a look and says, "This cult will continue the practice of old men justifying raping young girls in the name of God." Should we leave the kids there? Texas says "No."
Thank you Jesus for having someone with some backbone, some guts, some courage, some fortitude, some decency. Hurrah for child service in Texas.
The Shadow reads a lot of illogical trivia on this forum today. Go back, writers, and see if my first two paragraphs are wrong. Then write, write your hearts out. Use up the keyboard. But remember: rape is still rape, child abuse is still child abuse, and invoking God and heaven and the hereafter does not change those facts.
The Shadow Knows.
ScaredForOurCountry | 10:31 a.m. May 10, 2008
Maybe all the children of the Texas CPS should be removed for having parents
with such destructive mentalities.
I almost can't believe that this is happening in the U.S.
I don't believe in the FLDS, but Texas is far, far worse.
I almost can't believe that this is happening in the U.S.
I don't believe in the FLDS, but Texas is far, far worse.
wrz | 10:30 a.m. May 10, 2008
>>God Bless Texas!!<<
Texas doesn't seem to have a God. For sure they don't recognize the prohibitions of the First Amendment relating to religion.
Texas doesn't seem to have a God. For sure they don't recognize the prohibitions of the First Amendment relating to religion.
David | 10:36 a.m. May 10, 2008
All the operation, property, people, investigation and follow up should be
handed over to the the Salt Lake Mormon church for care and resolution.
JohnJay | 11:16 a.m. May 10, 2008
Will texas imprison all the girls in the colonias? they have teen birthrates
that stagger the mind.
Texas looks the other way with the illegal-immigrant squatter colonias - all 300000+ of them!
The colonia culture and belief system clearly encourages sex at very young ages and births to underage girls are demonstrably in excess of almost any other group in the US!!!
Wheres CPS, someone put in a prank call about the Colonias!!!! 1 Search warrent for all 300000!
goooooo texAS!
Texas looks the other way with the illegal-immigrant squatter colonias - all 300000+ of them!
The colonia culture and belief system clearly encourages sex at very young ages and births to underage girls are demonstrably in excess of almost any other group in the US!!!
Wheres CPS, someone put in a prank call about the Colonias!!!! 1 Search warrent for all 300000!
goooooo texAS!
to Shadow | 11:19 a.m. May 10, 2008
The media has shown you and I people who hate this group saying "This cult
has set up shop where old men get their jollies off of underaged girls."
but you and I have seen no proof. If they cant show you and I one case in over a
month of investigation can they show us anything they dont make up
themselves?
But I saw it no the news!!! If I say Shadow is guilty of child rape, does that make it true? no. If I get on the news and say Shadow is guilty of child rape, is it true now? no. If I write a book that says Shadow is guilty of child rape, is it true now? no. If i feed my story to law enforcement and CPS and they come and arrest Shadow have a trial with a jury full of people that have been wathching the news and convict Shadow of child rape and he sits in prison, is it true now?
NO.
but Shadow will know.
But I saw it no the news!!! If I say Shadow is guilty of child rape, does that make it true? no. If I get on the news and say Shadow is guilty of child rape, is it true now? no. If I write a book that says Shadow is guilty of child rape, is it true now? no. If i feed my story to law enforcement and CPS and they come and arrest Shadow have a trial with a jury full of people that have been wathching the news and convict Shadow of child rape and he sits in prison, is it true now?
NO.
but Shadow will know.
gal50 | 11:26 a.m. May 10, 2008
CPS truly does not know the names of the parents of these children. And, I would
guess that CPS may never know the names of all of the fathers and maybe some of
the mothers of these children. Additionally, legal parents from Utah have called
CPS to locate their missing children some of whom were found on the ranch.
The appeals court, it seems will only rule on the hearing in district court. It will not rule on the order to seize all of the children. After the children were seized, there was no way of returning the children because of the widespread deception on the part of some FLDS parents. Only with DNA testing, will CPS know who was telling the truth. At this point, it would behoove the FLDS to prepare an honest, complete list.
All FLDS children are at risk, but I don't think CPS has been as convincing as it could be. The adults are committing crimes at the behest of Warren Jeffs. It doesn't appear that many or any of these people defy him. He is clearly an unstable doomsday type person. There was a cyanide recipe found at the ranch.
The appeals court, it seems will only rule on the hearing in district court. It will not rule on the order to seize all of the children. After the children were seized, there was no way of returning the children because of the widespread deception on the part of some FLDS parents. Only with DNA testing, will CPS know who was telling the truth. At this point, it would behoove the FLDS to prepare an honest, complete list.
All FLDS children are at risk, but I don't think CPS has been as convincing as it could be. The adults are committing crimes at the behest of Warren Jeffs. It doesn't appear that many or any of these people defy him. He is clearly an unstable doomsday type person. There was a cyanide recipe found at the ranch.
Lame | 11:48 a.m. May 10, 2008
You cannot punish someone because of their beliefs! Especially when it's
religious. Just keep the Texas reasoning as acts of crime but don't say
further action is going to be taken because of someones beliefs. That is a very,
very dangerous precedent.
Matthew | 12:00 p.m. May 10, 2008
The more CPS says about their reasons, the tougher it is for the CPS apologists
to come up with justification.
Once again, show us the evidence. The truth is these girls are in no more danger of being sexually exploited than the average Texas teenager (which isn't to say it is a good situation).
The problem really is that the FLDS religion is unacceptable to the Texas Authorities. It is all about Texas Tyranny. Down with Tyrants!
Once again, show us the evidence. The truth is these girls are in no more danger of being sexually exploited than the average Texas teenager (which isn't to say it is a good situation).
The problem really is that the FLDS religion is unacceptable to the Texas Authorities. It is all about Texas Tyranny. Down with Tyrants!
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Very dangerous precedent.