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Catholics told not to give LDS parish data
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Money | 6:59 p.m. May 4, 2008
These posts are silly. The obvious truth is the Catholic chuch wants money for
its records and that's it. They have seen how the world in anxious to find
their ancestors, it's just not an LDS thing, and they want to cash in, pure
and simple. But have fun thinking this is a religous issue. Its all about money.
anonymous | 7:01 p.m. May 4, 2008
OK, now get this......any church in the world, ANY, can feel free to baptise my
dead ancestors. It doesn't bother me at all because I know that they do
not have the authority to do so. If the Catholic church believes that the LDS
Church does not have the authority to do baptism's for the dead then
what's the concern. Obviosly the LDS Church is a major threat to
Catholism.
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Freeman | 7:06 p.m. May 4, 2008
To The Shadow:
The information needed for family history databases is not the same as church membership records. You say the LDS church would not be willing to give up info to the Church of the Magic Wand. Yet, the LDS church has already made all of that and more available online to everyone, including the Magic Wand people. Nice try, but in the end you have shown that...
The Shadow Knows Nothing.
The information needed for family history databases is not the same as church membership records. You say the LDS church would not be willing to give up info to the Church of the Magic Wand. Yet, the LDS church has already made all of that and more available online to everyone, including the Magic Wand people. Nice try, but in the end you have shown that...
The Shadow Knows Nothing.
Tigerlily | 7:10 p.m. May 4, 2008
to non mormon. we as lds people have every right to search out our ancestors no
matter what religion they may be. and us as relatives have every right to the
information about our ancestors. and yes we do have the right to speak for them.
Vaiola | 7:11 p.m. May 4, 2008
The comments have been very interesting...some very negative and incredulous
toward the Pope. What most of you don't understand is that he doesn't
understand...at all. The publicity engendered by his decision will open all
kinds of doors for the missionaries...by people who want to know the truth and
can see the dichotomy you all have commented on. Just keep serving your
neighbor and doing good to those who may offend you. Remember, "No
unhallowed hand..."
Richard | 7:24 p.m. May 4, 2008
I think for the good of genealogical research covering the entire world, the LDS
church and the Catholic church should come to a mutual agreement that benefits
both institutions. Sure there are religious differences, but these can be put
aside for a common genealogical effort that is underway around the world (there
are a large number of non-mormons doing this now). Catholics can continue to
access free genealogical data put into organized data bases, and LDS can do
their baptisms for the dead. Both win under this scenario. Wow, maybe nothing
should change.
Question | 7:26 p.m. May 4, 2008
To all the LDS members who claim this practice is "no big deal" and
doesn't really mean anything, why is the church spending so much time on
it? But more important, what sort of records are kept on individuals from other
religions who have been baptized LDS? Surely some notation for perpetuity is
made which associates the individual as having been baptized? Is THAT a
secret??
And to those LDS who say they really wouldn't mind being baptized into another religion because it "doesn't mean anything," do you understand that some future relative or geneology researcher might come to the conclusion that you were Catholic, Hindu, Protestant...what goes around.
Thanks to Pope Benedict for protecting these PRIVATE records.
And to those LDS who say they really wouldn't mind being baptized into another religion because it "doesn't mean anything," do you understand that some future relative or geneology researcher might come to the conclusion that you were Catholic, Hindu, Protestant...what goes around.
Thanks to Pope Benedict for protecting these PRIVATE records.
Wouldn't be bothered | 7:31 p.m. May 4, 2008
No, actually, I wouldn't be bothered if some other faith did baptisms for
the dead for my ancestors, even the LDS ones. As I don't accept their
baptisms as having any effect whatsoever, why would it matter?
The Catholic church must believe our baptisms are valid, and also that a person can be baptized against their will. I think what we have here is a fundamental difference in beliefs about baptism.
News Flash: Mormons don't believe anyone is baptized against their will.
The Catholic church must believe our baptisms are valid, and also that a person can be baptized against their will. I think what we have here is a fundamental difference in beliefs about baptism.
News Flash: Mormons don't believe anyone is baptized against their will.
FAITH | 7:32 p.m. May 4, 2008
HEADLINE: "Catholics told not to give LDS parish data"
Thank God!
Thank God!
No Name Catholic | 7:34 p.m. May 4, 2008
this is BIG. this is HUGE!
first the Mormons tried to do baptisms for the Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, without regard for how the Jewish community and synagogues felt about it. this is EXTREMELY insensitive and disrespectful. but the mormons DON"T CARE about anyone but themselves.
now the Catholic Church has finally realized what disrespect the Mormons have been performing against their people!
all you Mormons can do is whine about it. it never occurs to you that what you are doing is GROSSLY offensive to others. you don't care.
well, it is about time. thats all i can say. its about time.
first the Mormons tried to do baptisms for the Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, without regard for how the Jewish community and synagogues felt about it. this is EXTREMELY insensitive and disrespectful. but the mormons DON"T CARE about anyone but themselves.
now the Catholic Church has finally realized what disrespect the Mormons have been performing against their people!
all you Mormons can do is whine about it. it never occurs to you that what you are doing is GROSSLY offensive to others. you don't care.
well, it is about time. thats all i can say. its about time.
Jordon | 7:40 p.m. May 4, 2008
The catholics should be ashamed of themselves standing in the way of the lords
work. I now know that they are horrible and misserable people if they cannot
grant this choice on to those who have believed a false gospel and have gone
before them and live in the darkness of non-existence.
get a clue | 7:52 p.m. May 4, 2008
Why does the LDS Church require non-mormon polling workers to obey the word of wisdom while using their church buildings on election day?
It�s simple. Because the LDS subscribe to this belief as part of their theology, and they demand that it be respected in their buildings. They forbid all polling workers to drink coffee or use tobacco products in the building out of respect for Mormon beliefs.
You people do not get it. The Catholics DO NOT BELIEVE in baptizing the dead. I don�t care how much support you think 1Cor 15:29 gives you, Christian churches are very clear in their beliefs that Mormons misinterpreted Paul, and several posters here have outlined that for you. The Vatican has addressed this and will not contribute to an erroneous ritual that does not coincide with Catholic theology. Catholics obviously want the same respect for their beliefs when asking for parish records; that the LDS demand for Mormon beliefs when their facilities are being used as polling places.
You guys need to stop bashing the Catholics, and making arrogant and judgmental comments. You�re no better than the Anti-Mormons who bash you on a regular basis on these boards.
re: "my questions" | 7:53 p.m. May 4, 2008
To answer an earlier question: Why isn't God powerful enough to save
without baptism/ordinances? He is. Joseph Smith taught (you can find this in
the Doctrine and Covenants) that children under the age of 8 are saved through
the blood of Christ because they are without guilt. The rest of us, however, are
not without guilt. There are certain stipulations to entering in the Kingdom of
God, just as there are certain stipulations to earning a scholarly degree. One
has to work toward it and complete certain requirements. Baptisms for the dead
show the mercy of God. How would you like to not be able to earn your degree
because you didn't know about certain classes that you had to take to
graduate? By the same token, how would you like to not be able to go to Heaven
because you didn't know about baptism (think about the millions of people
who died without a knowledge of God or Christ)? Baptisms for the dead give
people the opportunity to "take the classes necessary to graduate"
before their final desination is determined.
Leslie Townsend | 7:59 p.m. May 4, 2008
The Catholic Church should be ASHAMED for being so supremely ungrateful for the
fantastic genealogical database the LDS Church has compiled and allows EVERYONE
regardless of religion to use. Why should the LDS Church's proxy baptisms
both them unless they believe it would actually have some sort of permanent
effect on the souls of the dearly departed Catholics in question? It is pure
insecurity!
Boo Hoo | 8:01 p.m. May 4, 2008
I can not wait until I here a statement from the first presidency. I think the
catholics are ignorant and selfish for this but it will solidfy how much of a
threat we are to bringing down the false doctrine of the catholic church and how
jealous they are that we are converting nearly all there members.
Jen | 8:02 p.m. May 4, 2008
To Mark, Jason, Decider of Dominator, DCC, etc. you may want to go back and
check the facts on Catholic history. The original Christian church, following
Jesus Christ's death & prior to the council of Nicea 3 centuries later,
aka the Catholic church, practiced baptism for their dead! The practice was
only removed like so many other doctrines when Constantine & the others had
their council. How do you like 'dem apples?
judie | 8:03 p.m. May 4, 2008
When I went to the LDS Library, no one asked me what my religion was. They
kindly helped me find my French and Spanish and other ancestry. They were quite
kind to me. I found lots of my ancestors and found that they came from places
that I never knew existed and so I found a new part of me.
Jane | 8:06 p.m. May 4, 2008
To Jordon,
How dare you accuse the Catholics of "standing in the way of the Lord's work".
The Catholic Church IS the Lord's work! They have been doing the Lord's work for ten times longer than you Mormons have been deceiving people with your lies about the so-called "apostasy"!
You make me sick and angry toward the arrogant Mormons!
How dare you accuse the Catholics of "standing in the way of the Lord's work".
The Catholic Church IS the Lord's work! They have been doing the Lord's work for ten times longer than you Mormons have been deceiving people with your lies about the so-called "apostasy"!
You make me sick and angry toward the arrogant Mormons!
observer | 8:10 p.m. May 4, 2008
I haven't read all the posts but what right does the pope have to tell
their congregation what they should do with their own personal records. As far
as I know the FHC abides by all laws governing privacy rights. No church has
exclusive rights to all these records and is not the spokesperson for any
family. This issue should be in the hands of the individual families about what
information they feel should be disclosed. If the pope had said to use caution,
I can accept that, but he didn't. Sounds like interference in personal
lives of individuals.
Misguided | 8:17 p.m. May 4, 2008
The pope is unguided and at the helm of a false church. I would suspect we will
see more of this as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints continues to
grow in stature. These little knee biters will try to take away from the church
because of the authority we know has been bestowed upon us. I think the pope may
be jealous that a twenty year old boy has more authority then himself.
just a thought | 8:16 p.m. May 4, 2008
The mission of the LDS church is to preach the gospel; period. We don't
care if not everyone will join; that is not the point. The point is that
everyone has the opportunity to hear the gospel. That is what the members of the
church have been commanded to do and we are trying to do it in a spirit of love.
Other organizations can't stop the work from progressing. Joseph Smith
said, "The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop
the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may
assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly,
and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime,
swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be
accomplished and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is
done� (History of the Church, 4:540).
Mary | 8:17 p.m. May 4, 2008
I have a question. If I now go to a Catholic church to see my ancestor's
records, am I going to have to swear under penalty of perjury that I am not LDS?
and if I lie, can I march myself right over to the Catholic confessional, with
records in hand, and promise to never do it again? How are the Catholics going
to know who is LDS and who is not? Is this a witch-hunt? I am not looking for
my ancestors to do their work, I am looking for my ancestors to know where I
came from and who else I am related to. I'm looking for my family.
Bruce | 8:25 p.m. May 4, 2008
The lords work will conitnue to be done. The idiocracy of the catholic church
will not stand in front of the lords true work. How come you think you are
loosing so many member! Because they aer becoming LDS and yes they will continue
to baptize former catholics because they want there ancestors to have the chance
in the after life rather than living in the eternal darkness of a corrupt
church!
Empty promises | 8:33 p.m. May 4, 2008
It's easy for Mormons to say they wouldn't mind if another religion
baptized them posthumously - since no other religion does it. How magnanimous is
it when there's nothing to lose? ... I'm also struck by the sense of
entitlement Mormons seem to have about another church's records.
Ken | 8:34 p.m. May 4, 2008
The way I see it, the Catholic Church can look at the Mormon practice of proxy
baptism and 1) let them do it because in their mind it is a false and
meaningless effort, or 2) go one step further and withhold names altogether to
keep the LDS from even attempting it. They've decided to choose the
latter.
I'm sure this isn't the end of the discussion and perhaps a consensus can be reached.
I'm sure this isn't the end of the discussion and perhaps a consensus can be reached.
Andrew | 8:40 p.m. May 4, 2008
I think Athiests have the only legitimate argument for being against the LDS
church baptising thier deceased anscestors because if they are correct then all
they have is the vestiges of their life including their name and may not want
that altered in any way. Other religions should be satisfied with the fact that
they don't believe it matters. So if the Athiest Society doesn't want
to hand over thier records then we should respect that;)
fairytale | 8:46 p.m. May 4, 2008
The practice of trying to convert dead people is downright creepy. Not to
mention incredibly disrespectful, arrogant, and plain rude to the survivors.
Beth | 8:50 p.m. May 4, 2008
Jen | 8:02 p.m.,
You have no proof that early Christians practiced baptism for the dead as a legitimate Christian rite. two thousand years of history shows that ALL mention of baptism for the dead in the Bible are condemning that pagan, false, occult practice as evil and from the devil! Even the Dead Sea Scrolls and the documents found in the Nag Hammadi Library all clearly show baptism for the dead to be an heretical practice that was NEVER mainstream in the Christian church.
"Dem apples" you so arrogantly try to trick us into swallowing are poisoned apples! Poisoned by the lies of Mormon apologist "scholars" who are on the payroll of your Church to give the illusion of legitimacy and respectability to the false doctrines they are making YOU swallow! Wake up before it is "everlastingly too late!"
A TRUE sister in Christ.
You have no proof that early Christians practiced baptism for the dead as a legitimate Christian rite. two thousand years of history shows that ALL mention of baptism for the dead in the Bible are condemning that pagan, false, occult practice as evil and from the devil! Even the Dead Sea Scrolls and the documents found in the Nag Hammadi Library all clearly show baptism for the dead to be an heretical practice that was NEVER mainstream in the Christian church.
"Dem apples" you so arrogantly try to trick us into swallowing are poisoned apples! Poisoned by the lies of Mormon apologist "scholars" who are on the payroll of your Church to give the illusion of legitimacy and respectability to the false doctrines they are making YOU swallow! Wake up before it is "everlastingly too late!"
A TRUE sister in Christ.
Re: Jen | 8:52 p.m. May 4, 2008
"The original Christian church, following Jesus Christ's death &
prior to the council of Nicea 3 centuries later, aka the Catholic church,
practiced baptism for their dead."
Did you learn this in seminary? You need to check your facts. There were numerous break-off sects after the crucifixion. At least one, even maybe a few practiced baptism for the dead, but it was considered a LOCAL practice and was NEVER practiced as a whole by the mainstream Church. The Council at Nicea sought to consolidate the beliefs of Christianity, but baptism for the dead was never a practice of the "Original Christian Church" or even a wide-spread practice and was considered heretical.
Did you learn this in seminary? You need to check your facts. There were numerous break-off sects after the crucifixion. At least one, even maybe a few practiced baptism for the dead, but it was considered a LOCAL practice and was NEVER practiced as a whole by the mainstream Church. The Council at Nicea sought to consolidate the beliefs of Christianity, but baptism for the dead was never a practice of the "Original Christian Church" or even a wide-spread practice and was considered heretical.
Offended? Why? | 8:53 p.m. May 4, 2008
What if I decide to take my Catholic grandmother's name to the temple and
receive proxy ordinances for her? She's my grandmother. If she disagrees
with what I do in the temple for her, that's between her and me, not anyone
else. No Catholic church member need feel offended - it's frankly none of
his or her business. There are former Catholics who join the LDS Church and
want to perform these ordinances for their ancestors, and that's their
right. The Catholic church making it more difficult by sequestering these
records will only make them look bad - and this being the Lord's work, it
won't stop anyone for long.
I agree that the Catholic Church's proposed action is about money. I imagine anyone with enough money would be able to see those records, regardless of what religion he is.
I agree that the Catholic Church's proposed action is about money. I imagine anyone with enough money would be able to see those records, regardless of what religion he is.
A couple of things | 8:58 p.m. May 4, 2008
First off, last poster Beth has no concept of Baptism for the Dead. According to
your logic, then the whole Bible is a myth...
To all you posters who think that I would be offended if your church or any other church wanted to baptize me or anyone else in my family after I was dead, I say, GO FOR IT! I could care less and I'm sure that most Mormons would say the same thing. Knock yourself out.
If the Catholic Church doesn't want its records used for family history, so be it. All that means is that it will take a little longer during the Millenium to sort out all the names. 1000 years is a long time and people will be busy doing it.
As for doctrine, the Catholic Church has changed so many things from the Bible that it scarcely looks like the church that Christ set up while He lived on the earth. Anyone with have a brain knows that they have no authority to do a thing.
I have too many other things to worry about than if some Catholic is offended because someone who died 500 years ago is baptized for the dead.
To all you posters who think that I would be offended if your church or any other church wanted to baptize me or anyone else in my family after I was dead, I say, GO FOR IT! I could care less and I'm sure that most Mormons would say the same thing. Knock yourself out.
If the Catholic Church doesn't want its records used for family history, so be it. All that means is that it will take a little longer during the Millenium to sort out all the names. 1000 years is a long time and people will be busy doing it.
As for doctrine, the Catholic Church has changed so many things from the Bible that it scarcely looks like the church that Christ set up while He lived on the earth. Anyone with have a brain knows that they have no authority to do a thing.
I have too many other things to worry about than if some Catholic is offended because someone who died 500 years ago is baptized for the dead.
Zoar | 9:08 p.m. May 4, 2008
Ain�t no thang,
Since you are a former Catholic and Now LDS don�t you think you have the right to research the records of your own ancestors. If it was for some Tom, Dick, or Harry, I would see their point. So all you people that are making a big fuss, we are doing it for their own family not for strangers. What is wrong with that? Are you going to tell me I don�t have the right to baptize dead relatives in my own blood line. Who is infringing on rights now?
Since you are a former Catholic and Now LDS don�t you think you have the right to research the records of your own ancestors. If it was for some Tom, Dick, or Harry, I would see their point. So all you people that are making a big fuss, we are doing it for their own family not for strangers. What is wrong with that? Are you going to tell me I don�t have the right to baptize dead relatives in my own blood line. Who is infringing on rights now?
Council at Nicea | 9:14 p.m. May 4, 2008
This whole council was a fraud perpetrated on people. When do you think the
plain and precious truths were removed?
You don't vote on whether or not bap 4 the dead is a valid practice or not. You don't vote if God, Christ and the Holy Ghost is one person or not. The definition that came of that council is one of the silliest definitions ever heard.
Can't you people read the Bible and see where there are 3 separate and distinct people?
For you Catholic scholars....Who had the priesthood line of authority from Christ to convene the Council of Nicea? Please document who it was that had the priesthood authority, not the governmental authority, but actual priesthood authority!
I don't care what the Catholics do on their own time. The Pope is not a prophet of God; he doesn't have any priesthood authority; he doesn't receive revelation; where does it say that we should worship Mary...Actually the 1st commandment of the 10 commandments tells us otherwise....
There are so many fallacy practices in the Catholic Church it would take forever to list them all.
Kostecki is a nitwit with nothing else to do but blast the Mormons...
You don't vote on whether or not bap 4 the dead is a valid practice or not. You don't vote if God, Christ and the Holy Ghost is one person or not. The definition that came of that council is one of the silliest definitions ever heard.
Can't you people read the Bible and see where there are 3 separate and distinct people?
For you Catholic scholars....Who had the priesthood line of authority from Christ to convene the Council of Nicea? Please document who it was that had the priesthood authority, not the governmental authority, but actual priesthood authority!
I don't care what the Catholics do on their own time. The Pope is not a prophet of God; he doesn't have any priesthood authority; he doesn't receive revelation; where does it say that we should worship Mary...Actually the 1st commandment of the 10 commandments tells us otherwise....
There are so many fallacy practices in the Catholic Church it would take forever to list them all.
Kostecki is a nitwit with nothing else to do but blast the Mormons...
Steve | 9:15 p.m. May 4, 2008
I suppose if Catholic priests were running around hospital delivery wards
baptizing newly born infants Mormons would just simply watch in silence since
they don't believe it does anything...right?
Why should any church leadership stand by and allow someone to perform what they believe to be a heretical practice on their faithful?
Why should any church leadership stand by and allow someone to perform what they believe to be a heretical practice on their faithful?
Anonymous | 9:24 p.m. May 4, 2008
The mormons who have posted here are very prideful; so much to a point you are
an embarassment to anyone whom claims to follow in the footsteps of Jesus
Christ. I personally would say you are drunk with your percieved power and the
'authority' that you percieve god has granted you. I feel sorry for
you all and I wish that you could just repect fellow man without tearing down
his faith just to build yours up.
Mertonian | 9:25 p.m. May 4, 2008
Hey, Upon this Rock (St. Peter) I will build my Church and the gates of hell
will not prevail. The Pope is like your prophet (without authority). Your church
is less then 200 years old, Ours is 2000 years old. If it be of God it will
continue if not it will die on the vine. Well, its still here and telling you
that have no authority....
Freeman | 9:31 p.m. May 4, 2008
Beth, you should read up on the first few hundred years of that two thousand
years of history to which you are referring. "Clear" is not a word
that scholars would use to describe those times. Maybe you've heard of the
"Dark Ages" before? Hardly clear.
And nobody is trying to "trick" you into anything at all. If you want to talk about "legitimate" Christian rites, you need to start with the authority that Christ bestowed upon his apostles, not "mainstream" status. Legitimacy stems from proper authority, not the accumulation of history. But to each his/her own. I'll eat my apples and you can drink your kool-aid.
And nobody is trying to "trick" you into anything at all. If you want to talk about "legitimate" Christian rites, you need to start with the authority that Christ bestowed upon his apostles, not "mainstream" status. Legitimacy stems from proper authority, not the accumulation of history. But to each his/her own. I'll eat my apples and you can drink your kool-aid.
re: Offended? Why? | 9:31 p.m. May 4, 2008
"No Catholic church member need feel offended - it's frankly none of
his or her business"
Are you joking? If you, as a distant Mormon relative, baptize my dead Catholic grandmother, it's every bit my family's business.
Are you joking? If you, as a distant Mormon relative, baptize my dead Catholic grandmother, it's every bit my family's business.
Carl | 9:32 p.m. May 4, 2008
I would say the Mormons have a little "face saving" to do with both
the Catholics and Jews.
Keith | 9:33 p.m. May 4, 2008
The catholic church is crumbling and the LDS chruch is growing and is seen as
the true church of the lord. I think this is a petty move and based on no truth
as the catholic faith has not had any truth nor represented Jesus Christ for
nearly 2000 years. The catholic church is insignificant and we are converting
members hands over fist. I think this is a childish and very very dark move by
a false church!
Re:Most Hon. Rev. Finkelstein | 9:38 p.m. May 4, 2008
"Wow! Look at all the LDS people who don't mind if some other church
has them baptized into another faith after they die."= This is because we
understand the "Doctrine" of "Free Agency", just because
someone is "Baptized by Proxy" in a temple who is dead is meaningless
if: 1. The Church is not true. 2. The individual chooses NOT to accept the
Baptism in his/her behalf. 3. Authority to Baptize is not From God and His
Priesthood by the Laying on of Hands. With those 3 key principles baptize away
my friend, I could care less after I am dead! Do it, do all my dead ancestors,
Truth is truth, and if the Catholic Church doesn't believe in LDS
Priesthood Authority what is the Harm in this? Are they worried?
wrz | 9:48 p.m. May 4, 2008
>>The pope is scared and this is proof.<<
The Pope is trying to stymie the work. The B of M explains the nature of the Pope's church and thus, his work on earth.
The Pope is trying to stymie the work. The B of M explains the nature of the Pope's church and thus, his work on earth.
Belles N. Whistles | 9:53 p.m. May 4, 2008
I am not LDS so I definitely see little significance in by-proxy baptisms for
the dead, when I am dead.
However I do feel like I own my name and identity, living or dead, and it is not the LDS's or a LDS's to assume at any time. They say they do it as a gift of love. To me it is stil arrogant identity theft.
The gift itself is just annoying junk mail addressed to my soul. I am not Catholic either but I thank the Pope for his stand.
However I do feel like I own my name and identity, living or dead, and it is not the LDS's or a LDS's to assume at any time. They say they do it as a gift of love. To me it is stil arrogant identity theft.
The gift itself is just annoying junk mail addressed to my soul. I am not Catholic either but I thank the Pope for his stand.
Genealogy expert | 9:56 p.m. May 4, 2008
I passed along this information to a woman at church who has been working in
family history libraries for years. Her first reaction was not, "Shoot this
is going to slow the work down." But, "Well, there are going to be a
lot of Catholic people who will be very disappointed because they come to our
LDS Family History centers to find their ancestors. They can't afford a
trip to Italy or wherever to lok it up themselves. These Catholic (or Lutheran
or whatever) folks appreciate so much the effort of the LDS genealogy workers
for finding this information for them. So this is a sad event for LDS and
Catholic alike.
Baptism for the dead? I can see how Catholics would be offended if they didn't understand it. If they knew and comprehended our belief that this is just an opportunity we are offering to our ancestors, something they may not have had access to in their lives on earth, and that they can reject it if they want, it shouldn't be offensive to them at all.
I sense that Catholics don't want to understand and are jumping on the bandwagon of trying to squelch an opposing faith.
Baptism for the dead? I can see how Catholics would be offended if they didn't understand it. If they knew and comprehended our belief that this is just an opportunity we are offering to our ancestors, something they may not have had access to in their lives on earth, and that they can reject it if they want, it shouldn't be offensive to them at all.
I sense that Catholics don't want to understand and are jumping on the bandwagon of trying to squelch an opposing faith.
CougarKeith | 9:55 p.m. May 4, 2008
I would just like to thank the Vatican for finally acknowledging the
truthfulness of the Restored Gospel and the Priesthood Authority being restored
to the earth. It is a shame the Vatican thinks they can stop "God's
Work" from moving forward by withholding a few of their Geneology records.
This should not be surprizing as Satan has promised to raise his ugly head in
opposition in every way he can to prevent the work from moving forward. Relax,
any "Stoppage" this creates is only temporary, the work will be
completed in the Millenium in spite of any efforts to the contrary of True
Doctrines of the Church of JESUS CHRIST.
I think this is just really nice of the Pope and the Vatican to finally be concerned enough to openly acknowledge the LDS Legitimate Priesthood Authority, otherwise why would this even matter?
We must remember the Catholic Church is a wonderful organization in today's day and age, they are sincere and a wonderful people. They believe the doctrines and creeds passed down from their fathers and councils.
They do a lot of Good, They Help A Lot Of People, And We Must Remember The Sincerity Of Their Hearts!
I think this is just really nice of the Pope and the Vatican to finally be concerned enough to openly acknowledge the LDS Legitimate Priesthood Authority, otherwise why would this even matter?
We must remember the Catholic Church is a wonderful organization in today's day and age, they are sincere and a wonderful people. They believe the doctrines and creeds passed down from their fathers and councils.
They do a lot of Good, They Help A Lot Of People, And We Must Remember The Sincerity Of Their Hearts!
Dear Steve | 10:03 p.m. May 4, 2008
Hey Steve, in case you can't read or comprehend, it is baptisms for the
DEAD, not the living. There is a huge difference...... what a silly and stupid
analogy....
It's people like you who don't have a clue and lack understanding..... the people are DEAD!
Again, you want to baptize my family that has passed on, let me know and I'll send you my PAF file of over 10,000 names....
Metonian...does the age of one's church make it a true church? if so, can you show me where it states that? Do you know how to read about the apostacy in the Bible?
Can you document the priesthood line of authority from Peter to the current Pope? I'd love to see it....Do Catholics really understand how their church came about? I think not....
It's people like you who don't have a clue and lack understanding..... the people are DEAD!
Again, you want to baptize my family that has passed on, let me know and I'll send you my PAF file of over 10,000 names....
Metonian...does the age of one's church make it a true church? if so, can you show me where it states that? Do you know how to read about the apostacy in the Bible?
Can you document the priesthood line of authority from Peter to the current Pope? I'd love to see it....Do Catholics really understand how their church came about? I think not....
To: Happy | 10:12 p.m. May 4, 2008
I agree with your comment in respecting others, and I was annoyed by the woman
that stated the only time catholics are basically friendly is in a time of need.
There should be no need to worry about baptisms for the dead. What is so upsetting to the catholics about these baptisms? Any religion could do these baptisms if they wanted, but ultimately it will be the decision of the deceased for what they want to choose.
There should be no need to worry about baptisms for the dead. What is so upsetting to the catholics about these baptisms? Any religion could do these baptisms if they wanted, but ultimately it will be the decision of the deceased for what they want to choose.
Linda | 10:16 p.m. May 4, 2008
My son's attitude is that he plans to be baptized in EVERY church
"just in case". I think it's a great idea, won't offend
anyone and his "records" will be worldwide.......
Barbara | 10:19 p.m. May 4, 2008
Now is NOT the time to tear down each other's religion. We ALL believe in
the same God, we ALL believe in the same Jesus Christ. We ALL believe in the 10
commandments and we ALL read the same Bible. Let's just wait to see where
this ends up, and start acting a bit more Christ-like, Catholics and Mormons
alike.
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I personally would be pleased if a Catholic felt concerned enough about my salvation that they would light andles and say prayers in my behalf. I would be pleased and appreciative but would not think for a momnt that there would be one iota of difference as I do not think they have the power and authority to act in God's name.
Nevertheless, I respect Catholic clergy and members for the good they do throughout the world and hope that we cn have mutual respect and dialogue in spite of this rather narrow-minded move on their part.