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Warrant dropped in FLDS raid
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Let�s call it what it is - the states pogrom of ethnic cleansing.
Some folks are OK with this behavior from their government - I am not OK with government abuses. No one supports child abuse yet we accommodate the conditions of abuse that the Texas CPS represents. When the topic of civil liberties comes up we ask what about the children that were alleged abused? Indeed, the children - what about the civil liberties of the over 400 children condemned to incarceration as wards of the state?
A careful review of the facts around the first search warrant will most likely prove a conspiracy on the part of government officials to deprive the entire community of their civil liberties.
It's really hard to believe that nothing has been done before now. Plural marriage is illegal - if FLDS cult members think it should be otherwise, then lobby the government, don't just build a fort and hold women and children prisoner to get your way.
You can see the Texas Government does not recognize any
You have no Constitutional rights in Utah courts
Charged and convicted
They want you to hire a stupid Lawyer
Now you are indebt to your ears
It looks as though there are a lot of young girls in Texas that could use the protection of CPS. I hope they are as vigilant in helping the rest of the state's girls as they are these "weird" polygamists.
Texas should clean up their ghettos and barrios and realize that just because young ladies are not mature enough to marry in mainstream Texas society, that it doesn't mean they all are. Their changing that marriage age from 14 to 16 was directed toward the FLDS because its done nothing to curtail their ghetto teen pregnancies. Of course, those don't get married anyway.
They didn't find their trusted inside informant, because she didn't exist, but they sure took advantage of the chance to grab anything and anyone they could.
What Texas is doing is not based on specific evidence of crimes committed by specific people; it is based on knowledge of POSSIBLE crimes (which of course are repulsive) committed by people within a community. But the gross error and injustice and outrage is the taking of hundreds of children from MANY parents who are most certainly innocent of crimes themselves--who are only guilty of associating with some who might be guilty.
The burden of Due Process makes prosecution and punishment hard...for a reason: to protect the innocent. Even if guilt is found in this INVESTIGATION it will have come at the cost of our trust in the Law. Should we turn Due Process on its ear in our haste to produce results? What happens when we're wrong?
Just because somebody "said or presumed or alledged" something, or just because it is written on the internet or in the newspaper, does not make it a truth.
Herb B. You are right to be worried. If you belong to a Church, and continue to attend even though you are aware that abuses have or might occur because of heirachy of power, then your children may be taken next.
To-10:25.... Some of us know!!!----Do you? It's not gossip!
I haven't heard the CPS talk about pedophiles and dirty old men. It seems to be mainly 17 year olds married to 22 year olds. They also say nothing about brainwashing. Their whole case is based on pregnant girls who are under 18.
As for plural marriage, it is not illegal. Some states (including Texas) have tried to make it so, but they always fail because higher courts never uphold convictions.
I can tell that you really hate these people, but you're going to have to contain your darker impulses, because the rest of the US will not allow it. These people will get their kids and their community back, along with a very large payment for their trouble compliments of you and the rest of Texas's taxpayers.
Have a nice day.
I have never read so much talk about nothing on a post in days. Half of you people don't know day from night or right from wrong.
I hope the authorities get the FLDS sex perpetrators. It all make me sick.
Have a nice night.
And while we are so concerned about the constitution and due process, what about the many families separated when husband falls out of favor and the wives and children are reassigned to other men by church leaders? Where are their rights? Since many of the marriages are only "spiritual" rather than legal marriages, do these biological fathers have no protection, let alone those children separated from their fathers? Where are the tears and outrage on their behalf (especially if they are not dirty old men with multiple wives)?
Here's a hint; when investigators knock on your door and start asking questions, providing complete, accurate, consistent answers to their questions will save you a lot of misunderstanding and grief. Lie, evade, and change your story will result in forcing the government to sort it all out. And if you try and lead a lifestyle exempt from laws and accountability, sooner or later, the government will be forced to demonstrate that you are, indeed, not exempt.
How many young pregnant girls must be observed by CPS before they would conclude that girls below the age of consent are being systematically impregnated? Once they see apparent evidence, would you expect them to turn a blind eye and walk away?
Did FLDS leaders provide birth certificates for each child, demonstrating that they were above the age of consent? What would a reasonable person conclude is the reason for not presenting those records?
How many young boys must turn up in St. George, without any visible means of support, stating that they were kicked out of their homes before you would conclude that maybe their mothers apparently love some children more than others? Isn't the double standard obvious...mothers crying for their young children taken away by CPS, but deafening silence as to the plight of their young sons no longer welcomed into the community (oh right, no lost boys in Texas, only in Utah)? Now, reports of kids with broken bones...
Sure, blame the government. Kids who don't even necessarily know who their mother or father is, don't necessarily know their birth date. No documents for marriages or births; blame the government!
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Let�s call it what it is - the states pogrom of ethnic cleansing.
Some folks are OK with this behavior from their government - I am not OK with government abuses. No one supports child abuse yet we accommodate the conditions of abuse that the Texas CPS represents. When the topic of civil liberties comes up we ask what about the children that were alleged abused? Indeed, the children - what about the civil liberties of the over 400 children condemned to incarceration as wards of the state?
A careful review of the facts around the first search warrant will most likely prove a conspiracy on the part of government officials to deprive the entire community of their civil liberties.