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State's top child welfare official: FLDS children have broken bones
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Re: from Idaho | 7:07 p.m. April 30, 2008
Don't read to much into this. A lot of us questioning the actions of CPS
and avoiding a rush to judgement are LDS. And a lot of the posters ready to
burn every FLDS on sight are not.
Fascism ? | 7:28 p.m. April 30, 2008
Everyone in American should be frightened by what is going on in Texas. CPS
workers across the nation operate from the same philosophy, which is the far
left liberal belief that government has the right to invade your home and tell
you how to raise your kids. I don't have young children but all of you who
do had better wake up because this thinking is FASCISM, not a Democracy!
Instead of reacting to the trash that CPS is feeding the news media....be a good citizen and investigate what this agency is about and how they are violating the constitutional rights of these people. Whether or not you like the FLDS people....defending THEIR rights is defending your own.
Instead of reacting to the trash that CPS is feeding the news media....be a good citizen and investigate what this agency is about and how they are violating the constitutional rights of these people. Whether or not you like the FLDS people....defending THEIR rights is defending your own.
russ | 7:33 p.m. April 30, 2008
Some of the kids will have to have broken bones. it is called growing up.
However, they do not play in little league, soccer leagues, football, etc.
So the question is: do the number of kids with broken bones exceed what should statistically be there? And, as to the breaks, where are they and how did they get them? Pediatrics can answer some of these questions, and so can medical forensics.
Give them time.
However, they do not play in little league, soccer leagues, football, etc.
So the question is: do the number of kids with broken bones exceed what should statistically be there? And, as to the breaks, where are they and how did they get them? Pediatrics can answer some of these questions, and so can medical forensics.
Give them time.
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observer | 7:53 p.m. April 30, 2008
What about the "lost boys" that this sect sytematically
excommunicates? These boys are children that are sent away from their homes,
families and are never heard from again. They are sent out ON THEIR OWN. These
are the children that I feel sorry for. They have no one.
I see these mothers crying for their children. Why aren't they crying for their lost boys? Why aren't these people crying for the men that have been set out from this sect, and their families reassigned to other men?
It's seems to me that FLDS is not as interested in keeping families together as they claim they are.
I see these mothers crying for their children. Why aren't they crying for their lost boys? Why aren't these people crying for the men that have been set out from this sect, and their families reassigned to other men?
It's seems to me that FLDS is not as interested in keeping families together as they claim they are.
to texas CPS | 8:02 p.m. April 30, 2008
ether make some charges and arrest some one or give them back ther kids, but
enuph with the daily slandering, good grief!!!
katie | 8:22 p.m. April 30, 2008
I am SO SICK of the media blowing EVERYTHING out of proportion. Kids get broken
bones. It's called an active childhood. If you pull a few hundred kids from
anywhere you'll find a substantial amount of them that had broken bones.
And gosh dang, who cares that some of them were really young...my little sister
broke her arm at age 2. ITS NORMAL. Leave these poor people alone. They are
getting enough negative attention.
Douglas | 8:24 p.m. April 30, 2008
Here are that Statistics in America:
2.4 fractures per 100 people, per year, distributed between male and female at 2.8/100 men, 2.0/100 women, until age 45, when breaks increase proportionally in women. Source = Nat'l Ambulatory Medical care and American Academy of Orthpaedic Med.
Math: 11.136 of the 464 should suffer a broken bone EVERY YEAR. SO, if the average age is say Age 4, then this group is right at the national average.
I bet the incidence of broken bones in CPS workers at the same average age as the average age of these kids is actually slightly lower than the flds kids, based soley upon the bone-intesive nature of their heads. Speaking of which, I suspect CPS is also suffering from chronic cranial-rectal inversion, also reducing their incidence of skull fractures, but likely increasing their risk of extremities fracure due to stumbling into situations blindly.
2.4 fractures per 100 people, per year, distributed between male and female at 2.8/100 men, 2.0/100 women, until age 45, when breaks increase proportionally in women. Source = Nat'l Ambulatory Medical care and American Academy of Orthpaedic Med.
Math: 11.136 of the 464 should suffer a broken bone EVERY YEAR. SO, if the average age is say Age 4, then this group is right at the national average.
I bet the incidence of broken bones in CPS workers at the same average age as the average age of these kids is actually slightly lower than the flds kids, based soley upon the bone-intesive nature of their heads. Speaking of which, I suspect CPS is also suffering from chronic cranial-rectal inversion, also reducing their incidence of skull fractures, but likely increasing their risk of extremities fracure due to stumbling into situations blindly.
I Man Fraidddd...... | 8:35 p.m. April 30, 2008
41 with broken bones + 31 underage pregnant = 82 cases of abuse, so far. When
the DNA results return you'll have some number without biological parents
at the ranch. Therefore, Kidnapping charge. Plus another number for abused boys.
Jeez.....
This will be the Mother of Child Abuse case.
CPS has more bombs to drop.
Contray claims by Attorney Parker and the denials by the Moms are now undermined. The PR is busted.
This will be the Mother of Child Abuse case.
CPS has more bombs to drop.
Contray claims by Attorney Parker and the denials by the Moms are now undermined. The PR is busted.
Anonymous | 8:53 p.m. April 30, 2008
"However, they do not play in little league, soccer leagues, football, etc. " They might not play those games specifically but I saw pictures of them running around playing.
Ronald A. Young | 8:57 p.m. April 30, 2008
I am on Texas CPS side on this whole issue. I am glad someone had the spine and
the time and the dimes needed to break this Sect Up. Hillsdale and Colorado City
should be next. These people dress like Little House on the Prairie and Act like
Zombies. However they tend to understand Sex with underage girls and it appears
boys. It is easy to check a male child for sexual abuse. Its very visual. As for
the foster care, yes kids will break bones that is what kids do. Male kids more
so then Female kids. Vastly most Foster Care homes are not bad places to stay.
Some like mine treat you like family and we are Auntie and Uncle, (in Hawaii an
Aunt or Uncle does not have to be a blood relative, just someone that helps
you). We don't have any kids right now because the last ones where more
then a handful and we need a break. We fed them the same food and took them
every place we went, to include Church but I went out of my way Not To Proselyte
them. Not the best of Worlds, but Warm, Safe and Dry.
Broken Bones in Girls | 9:25 p.m. April 30, 2008
Did none of you parents read about the study regarding the frequency of
fractured bones in girls age 4 or 5 through middle school? The breaks are in the
forearms and the cause is calcium deficiency.
Watch what you say | 9:51 p.m. April 30, 2008
It was a poor choice to "leak" this information. CPS, you've
got to maintain some level of integrity in this situation. Whether the public
agrees with you or not, please follow the letter of the law and stay away from
sensationalism. Don't lower yourselves or the entire case will be bogus.
California | 10:08 p.m. April 30, 2008
First of all Texas CPS did not give the information to the media. They had to
present it to the Texas legislators. The media was there and ran with it. The
CPS workers are not going out daily and giving news briefs. The FLDS wierdos are
giving daily briefings with their fake crying and all. Of course we have not
seen one man over the age of 30 yet probably cause they have run and hid from
their crimes. Only in Utah do you read these comments. It is sickening to me
that you all support those wack jobs in Texas. I guess it shouldnt surprise me
since they really are your bretherin whether you care to admit it or not. Just
sayin.
Public School/Up In Arms | 10:27 p.m. April 30, 2008
The elementary school near me has about 450 kids. During grades k-6 there have
been more than 40 casts worn. Now, much to the horror of the State, it is well
known that some of these breaks occured during recess,or lunch where the
children have a 1-100 ratio (at best) of being monitored by a "duty
person". (A person in an orange vest who walks around and watches them
play). So, is this neglect, abuse, or abnormally high? Contact sports are not
permitted. Should Utah CPS step in and report this to the national media? Should
Child Welfare report this school and use it to remove the children from their
homes?... After all, the parents knowingly let the children attend even with
obvious casts on their arms and legs.
This is nothing more than an attempt at spectacular grasping for straws by Texas CPS to justify a case gone terribly wrong. For further lessons in tragic outcomes of child removal, read about the Memphis round up of children during the depression, who were sent to "proper homes". Another F for American HIstory.
This is nothing more than an attempt at spectacular grasping for straws by Texas CPS to justify a case gone terribly wrong. For further lessons in tragic outcomes of child removal, read about the Memphis round up of children during the depression, who were sent to "proper homes". Another F for American HIstory.
Hugh McBryde | 11:46 p.m. April 30, 2008
The broken bone rate is below the national average. I've done the
research. This is unusual if indeed FLDS kids have a high incidence of
"Brittle Bone" disease. It shows an extraordinarily LOW rate of bone
breakage, not a high one.
Yes Texas is dropping bombs, but that's all. No one has been arrested. No "anonymous" crime has been alleged for which there is some sort of "John Doe" warrant. Texas is EXAGGERATING. They need to come up with statistics like this: 3 kids 1 year old or less with broken bones. 5 kids 14 years old that have been or are pregnant. They are not doing that. They're giving expansive age ranges because if they told you the precise information, you simply wouldn't be as outraged. So they range you.
31 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 who have been pregnant. Some broken bones among "very young" children (What is very young?) They don't discuss the fact that the bone breakage rate overall is very very low. YOU ARE BEING PLAYED.
Yes Texas is dropping bombs, but that's all. No one has been arrested. No "anonymous" crime has been alleged for which there is some sort of "John Doe" warrant. Texas is EXAGGERATING. They need to come up with statistics like this: 3 kids 1 year old or less with broken bones. 5 kids 14 years old that have been or are pregnant. They are not doing that. They're giving expansive age ranges because if they told you the precise information, you simply wouldn't be as outraged. So they range you.
31 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 who have been pregnant. Some broken bones among "very young" children (What is very young?) They don't discuss the fact that the bone breakage rate overall is very very low. YOU ARE BEING PLAYED.
Anonymous | 12:31 a.m. May 1, 2008
From Idaho 6:53p.m wow, How judgemental of you to say how judgmental we Mormons
are. I would say a lot of the people defending the FLDS are LDS. I disagree with
their practice but feel they are being unjustly targeted without do process. I
however find your post very bigoted.
Attorney | 6:10 a.m. May 1, 2008
The FLDS attorney, Rod Parker, spoke about the broken bones as not a case of
abuse but "brittle bone disease" that the women of the compound stated
before turning these children over.
Perhaps many, if not most, realize but brittle bone disease is an autosomal dominant issue. In other words, the attorney should have kept his mouth shut since the disease is an issue because of pervasive inbreeding as is their Fumerase Deficiency.
*0-2: 101, 49 females, 52 males
* 3-5: 99, 46 females, 53 males
* 6-9: 131, 68 females, 63 males
* 10-13: 62, 34 females, 28 males
* 14-17: 42, 27 females, 15 males
Take a look at children's ages 0 - 13. Note that males are near equal to that of females. Now look at 14 - 17 and ask, where are the boys?
Perhaps many, if not most, realize but brittle bone disease is an autosomal dominant issue. In other words, the attorney should have kept his mouth shut since the disease is an issue because of pervasive inbreeding as is their Fumerase Deficiency.
*0-2: 101, 49 females, 52 males
* 3-5: 99, 46 females, 53 males
* 6-9: 131, 68 females, 63 males
* 10-13: 62, 34 females, 28 males
* 14-17: 42, 27 females, 15 males
Take a look at children's ages 0 - 13. Note that males are near equal to that of females. Now look at 14 - 17 and ask, where are the boys?
Cynthia | 5:37 p.m. May 3, 2008
In one report on CNN, an FLDS mother stated "There's the grass where
the children play". Upon doing a bit of research I discovered that these
kids have no playground equiptment, no bicycles, skateboards, skates, they
don't play in any sports.....nothing. So....how DOES a child who is raised
in this kind of environment, break their bones?? ...maybe they're just a
bit clumsy??... I'm surprised the mothers haven't tried to use that
excuse either.
Jen | 7:41 a.m. May 6, 2008
Is it that 10% HAD broken bones, past tense? Or is it that they currently HAVE
broken bones? 10% has got to be high for the number of bones currently broken.
Jen | 8:05 a.m. May 6, 2008
To the folks crying foul on the fact that the raid occurred at all, I disagree
that this raid constitutes a violation of our freedoms. If there is a murder and
you a suspect, they have the right to detain you to PROTECT our freedoms.
That's what is being done here - protection of the freedoms of these
children.
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