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Utah Jazz: Adelman can't get over Utah's tough tactics
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Leapin' Leaner | 5:22 a.m. April 29, 2008
Adelman couldn't beat the Jazz when he was with the Kings, and he still
can't beat the Jazz now with the Rockets. He is outcoached every playoffs
by the man who should have won 3-4 NBA Coach of the Year Awards, but blames
"tough tactics" by the Jazz for his inability to coach a team to
victory. That this flunky is receiving consideration for NBA coach of the year
is ludicrous. It isn't "tough tactics" that help Jerry Sloan
coach ALL of his teams to success regardless of the players. It is fundamental
basketball and a work ethic second to none. Maybe Adelman hasn't noticed
that every championship team plays tough and physical ball in the playoffs. Did
Shaq win rings by playing soft? How about the pistons, were they rough or soft?
The Bulls with Jordan had some designated physical players underneath, the spurs
play physical inside, and the Heat, with Shaq, played rough too. Adelman is a
ballerina instructor in a league of tough-minded coaches. Not surprisingly
I've never heard Jerry Sloan blame another team's rough tactics for
any Jazz losses. Have some cheese with that whine, Adelman!
odogtriever | 5:47 a.m. April 29, 2008
You don't hear coach Sloan complain about all the cheap shots taken on
Williams. Adelman is just beeing such a whiner.
I used to have so much respect for Adelman. Now I see he is just Tracys wipping boy.
I used to have so much respect for Adelman. Now I see he is just Tracys wipping boy.
Shut up Adelman! | 8:20 a.m. April 29, 2008
What is Adelman talking about. If Deron comes out of this series with half his
body parts he will be doing good. Go ahead and send the tape to the league, all
will show is how the refs are letting the Rockets beat up on Deron!
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Reflection of the coach | 8:23 a.m. April 29, 2008
The Rockets reflect their coach. Instead of playing hard and sucking it up, they
whine and complain. And there is no player on the court more dirty than
"Coca" Scola.
lost in DC | 8:29 a.m. April 29, 2008
Adelman is just coaching the refs. If Adelman got his wish and the tape is sent
to the league, the officials would see how DWill is getting clobbered with no
calls.
Henry Drummond | 9:02 a.m. April 29, 2008
This sounds like last year when Vangundy kept complaining that Houston was in a
"knife fight with the Bully Brothers from Utah".
These guys do their share of pushing and holding.
These guys do their share of pushing and holding.
mikey | 9:01 a.m. April 29, 2008
I find it interesting that Adelman is whining when this is the same coach that
had his team cheap shot Stockton and injure John's back in the playoffs
years ago. He didn't whine then and Sloan didn't whine then.
Ghost | 9:04 a.m. April 29, 2008
Welcome to the NBA Playoffs, Adelman!
Sloan should have been coach of the year many times. The problem is that the Jazz are too stable. They don't have long stretches of bad years and then a good one. Sloan is just consistent and that is why he will be a hall of fame coach. That is why he is the 4th winningest coach in NBA history.
Sloan should have been coach of the year many times. The problem is that the Jazz are too stable. They don't have long stretches of bad years and then a good one. Sloan is just consistent and that is why he will be a hall of fame coach. That is why he is the 4th winningest coach in NBA history.
Dave | 9:16 a.m. April 29, 2008
Adelman is doing whatever it takes to help his team win the series so you
can't fault him for that.
If Jerry Sloan announced he was retiring Adelman would be one of a short list of coaches that I think would fit here. If he got that Houston team as currently constituted where they are now he should be considered for COY.
And so should Sloan, every year.
If Jerry Sloan announced he was retiring Adelman would be one of a short list of coaches that I think would fit here. If he got that Houston team as currently constituted where they are now he should be considered for COY.
And so should Sloan, every year.
I love old school basketball | 9:30 a.m. April 29, 2008
Stop whining. Tracy McGrady has all the calls going his way.
A Man's Game | 9:31 a.m. April 29, 2008
The NBA, and more so the Playoffs, is a man's game. Men playing rough,
getting knocked around, slammed to the ground, the real men get up dust off and
do it again, the fakers (McBaby) get up cry to the coach, media, whoever will
listen. Real coache's tell them to shut up and play, the others (Adelboob)
whine. McGrady is getting all sorts of touch fouls called against the Jazz,
while D-Will is getting slammed to the ground, kicked, shoved and nothing
called. He is playing the same or more minutes than McGrady and look who shows
up in crunch time, D-Will, while McBoob does a vanishing act.
skichuck | 9:39 a.m. April 29, 2008
Adelman apparently doesn't bother to watch what his own players do to every
Jazz player that drives to the basket. There haven't been so many body
slams since the last pro wrestling championship. And what do you know, the refs
haven't been calling any of those. McGrady has gotten off easy. He should
try taking what Deron Williams has had to take from the Houston players.
JazzFan4ever | 9:50 a.m. April 29, 2008
Just play the game, it's the playoffs, it's always physical. Where
have you been Adelman that you've forgotten? Quit playing the media and
just coach your team.
Moto X | 10:01 a.m. April 29, 2008
McGrady just can't handle itwhen they are are called a bit more fairly than
they might have been in the past. He is still getting some
"superstar" calls based on his rep but maybe the refs are realizing,
like the rest of us, he is no superstar.
When the playing field is leveled and you take some of the "gift/phantom" calls away, that he has been getting for years, he suddenly just becomes a slightly above average player.
If our guys got superstar calls like that then this series would be over already.
I hope the NBA/refs don't buy into this protect McGrady crap. It sick and it cuts into what the average fan views as fairness.
Adelman knows the only way they can win is if he can convince the NBA/refs they need to protect McGrady and give him better calls than the rest of the players. Then, even if they lose, he will have laid the groundwork for a diversion for the fact his coaching and these players could not beat the Jazz. If the refs give him the calls, then they get to push the series to 6/7 games. No downside for him. Whine, whine, whine!!!
When the playing field is leveled and you take some of the "gift/phantom" calls away, that he has been getting for years, he suddenly just becomes a slightly above average player.
If our guys got superstar calls like that then this series would be over already.
I hope the NBA/refs don't buy into this protect McGrady crap. It sick and it cuts into what the average fan views as fairness.
Adelman knows the only way they can win is if he can convince the NBA/refs they need to protect McGrady and give him better calls than the rest of the players. Then, even if they lose, he will have laid the groundwork for a diversion for the fact his coaching and these players could not beat the Jazz. If the refs give him the calls, then they get to push the series to 6/7 games. No downside for him. Whine, whine, whine!!!
adam d | 10:03 a.m. April 29, 2008
I thought that players and coaches were fined for making derogatory comments
about the refs to the media. Am I wrong here? I think this ridiculous attempt to
bias the officials through the media is outrageous. Refs call it how you see
it.
Maybe I have jazz fan goggles on, but it seems like the Rockets are playing just as physical as the Jazz. Yet only when the Rockets lose we hear complaints.
One of the things I like least about Sloan is his contempt for 3 point shots. I think taking 3's are crucial to winning, just ask the spurs. Like the Jazz the Spurs have attempted around 13 3's per game in the playoffs and I think that is a good number. Taking 3pts spreads the defense making it easier for D-will to drive the lane and kick/layup/pick and roll. I have also noticed that missing a 3 gives a team a better chance at a long offensive rebound. Jazz have taken more 3 point shots this year than ever before and they have been rewarded with the best winning record since the glory days. Stick with the 13 3's pg.
Maybe I have jazz fan goggles on, but it seems like the Rockets are playing just as physical as the Jazz. Yet only when the Rockets lose we hear complaints.
One of the things I like least about Sloan is his contempt for 3 point shots. I think taking 3's are crucial to winning, just ask the spurs. Like the Jazz the Spurs have attempted around 13 3's per game in the playoffs and I think that is a good number. Taking 3pts spreads the defense making it easier for D-will to drive the lane and kick/layup/pick and roll. I have also noticed that missing a 3 gives a team a better chance at a long offensive rebound. Jazz have taken more 3 point shots this year than ever before and they have been rewarded with the best winning record since the glory days. Stick with the 13 3's pg.
Texas Jazz Fan | 10:28 a.m. April 29, 2008
I am really getting sick of Houston's constant whining, complaining, and
excuses. My opinion is that as a fan, I can blame the refs, and get upset over
bad calls all I want. But for a coach to come out after every loss, blaming the
refs? Seems pretty pathetic to me. If it wasn't for the missed offensive
goal-tending call (in Houston's favor) at the end of game 4, it
wouldn't have even been close enough in the end to have a discussion. Go
Jazz, finish the job tonight!
Anonymous | 10:32 a.m. April 29, 2008
McGrady's already protected beyond what he deserves. I don't think
there's ever been a more loved loser in the history of the NBA. The
national media has a love affair with this guy. Despite the commentators love
for him, I loved that ESPN showed the sign, "Where McGrady can't
advance happens." I also give props to the ESPN halftime crew for not
talking about McGrady once. It's getting ridiculous. The Jazz will win the
series. I'd rather it happens tonight so that I can stop hearing about how
amazing this guy is. Good, yes. Among the best, nope!
faraway fan | 10:53 a.m. April 29, 2008
I am just a simple person but it seems to me that when you are making 30% of
your 3 pointers, that gives you three attempts at a 90% shot(layup) to achieve
the two and potentially get the foul as well, getting roughly the same
result...then even when you shoot your free throws poorly you get the other team
into a situation where they have to play careful defense and increase your
chances in the middle. When your 3 pt. percentage goes down, it is definitely
to your benefit to go in rather than try the 3. In some ways the 3 has ruined
the game I grew up loving. The other thing that brought it down is the
incessant whining...during the game I can understand as that is an emotional
setting and the players and coaches are on edge. What Adelman is doing now (he
seems to have taken a page from Phil Jacksons play book) is like crying
wolf...they cry so much that when something serious actually happens, nobody
takes them seriously.
successful | 11:08 a.m. April 29, 2008
Adelman's comments will get him the sympathy he wants and I predict the
Rockets win tonight with a closely called game against the Jazz.
Deceptive math | 11:50 a.m. April 29, 2008
A lay up, like any two point shot, is worth two points, a three point shot three
points.
Mathmatically that makes it seem that shooting 33.3% from three land is that same as shooting 50% on a two, but the problem is variance. Teams might shoot between 35% (rarely) and 55% (also rarely) on two pointers, but they will NEVER, I repeat NEVER shoot 0% from the floor by pounding it inside like the Jazz did from three point range Saturday.
Mathmatically that makes it seem that shooting 33.3% from three land is that same as shooting 50% on a two, but the problem is variance. Teams might shoot between 35% (rarely) and 55% (also rarely) on two pointers, but they will NEVER, I repeat NEVER shoot 0% from the floor by pounding it inside like the Jazz did from three point range Saturday.
magnus | 12:16 p.m. April 29, 2008
@ adam d
I don't think Sloan hates the three. He has said in the past that he has no problem with guys shooting three's, he just wants the ball to go inside first, and the closer to the basket you can shoot the ball the more he likes it.
This idea is just good basketball. If you watch the Jazz offense, when they don't get the ball near the paint, either at the high or low post or Williams off the dribble, the offense just doesn't work right. They don't get good shots, they get shot clock violations, they have turnovers, but when they get it inside they almost ALWAYS end up taking a high percentage two or an open three. I think it's that fundamental principle of "GET THE BALL IN THE PAINT FIRST" that made the Jazz offense the most efficient in the league (virtual tie with the Suns) this season IN SPITE of being 10th in the league in three point percentage.
I don't think Sloan hates the three. He has said in the past that he has no problem with guys shooting three's, he just wants the ball to go inside first, and the closer to the basket you can shoot the ball the more he likes it.
This idea is just good basketball. If you watch the Jazz offense, when they don't get the ball near the paint, either at the high or low post or Williams off the dribble, the offense just doesn't work right. They don't get good shots, they get shot clock violations, they have turnovers, but when they get it inside they almost ALWAYS end up taking a high percentage two or an open three. I think it's that fundamental principle of "GET THE BALL IN THE PAINT FIRST" that made the Jazz offense the most efficient in the league (virtual tie with the Suns) this season IN SPITE of being 10th in the league in three point percentage.
Tj | 12:21 p.m. April 29, 2008
I really don't mind the 3 pointer but you have to be careful. A prime
example is the Warriors. They pretty much live and die by the 3 and they are out
of the playoffs. Unless I am mistaken they are among the top 2 or 3 teams in the
league in 3 point attempts. Look at Duke this year in college. When the 3's
didn't fall they lost to Clemson in the ACC tourney and almost lost to
Belmont and then did lose to West Virginia. Ask Deron Williams about the 3 piont
line. His last year at Illinois they lost the National Championship game because
they missed a lot of 3's and UNC kept pounding it inside scoring. If you
live by the 3 then you die by the 3. I like the 3 point line but it it can kill
teams if you rely to much on it. I think you should use it but be smart about it
and don't abuse it. I would personally like to see KK fake some 3s and then
hit short jumpers off the dribble a bit more. His shooting percentage is much
higher and it make him harder to guard.
pablo | 12:36 p.m. April 29, 2008
Teams have always accused the Jazz of tough dirty play. Do you remember that one
time when Carl Malone caught David Robinson on the side of the head with an
elbow and knocked him unconscious for like five minutes? good times. good times.
faraway fan | 12:48 p.m. April 29, 2008
The other thing that comes to mind is that I never NEVER hear post after post of
the Jazz players denying that they foul! Again, in the game they try to sell it
just as everyone else does but they admit to getting physical and they
don't get "T'd up" when the other team goes to the line a
lot (See Kobe). They play physical ball and readily admit it. The hypocrisy of
certain teams like San Antonio and Houston is that they pretend to be choirboys
and bad mouth Utah. To be honest with you, most of Houston's players could
go to Utah and fit right in...Scola, Mutumbo, Alston...In fact, the only one who
comes to mind as a bad fit would be McGrady...he is just too soft for that
style...which makes him a misfit even in Houston...which may not be THE reason,
but is definitely A reason he has not advanced in the playoffs. But it is up to
our guys to make sure that he doesn't and it is not going to be a cakewalk!
shaybo | 2:35 p.m. April 29, 2008
TM and Houston have been whining since the first game when they thought a foul
shouldn't have been called at the end of the game. They apparently
didn't notice AK getting hammered to the floor when they took the ball away
from him just a minute earlier or the non existent traveling call on DW. TM gets
pampering from the refs as much as anyone in the NBA. If you ask me it's
the Rockets who are getting away with the physical play.
McBaby | 2:59 p.m. April 29, 2008
Anyone see the interview last night with t-mac saying he was going to send a
message tonight?
My only concern is that this is the same coach that had c-web "send" a message to the Jazz previously in the playoffs. The result was an incredibly cheap shot that injured John Stockton and he wasn't the same after that due to some cracked/ bruised ribs. Webber so much as admitted after the game that it was intentional as he was trying to send a message, but no disciplinary action was taken- other than a foul called on the play.
I don't see t-mac as being physical enough to even try something like that, but I'm not sure I'd put it past him.
As for the defense- what is wrong with a defender bodying up a player at half-court to keep the ball out of his hands? That's called tough, hard-nosed defense and there's nothing wrong with it, even though Adel-baby would like to have the Jazz step aside and let T-mac have an easy road to the rim on every play. (which, by-the-way, Boozer did in the 4th Saturday, why won't he take a hard foul like the Rockets do?
My only concern is that this is the same coach that had c-web "send" a message to the Jazz previously in the playoffs. The result was an incredibly cheap shot that injured John Stockton and he wasn't the same after that due to some cracked/ bruised ribs. Webber so much as admitted after the game that it was intentional as he was trying to send a message, but no disciplinary action was taken- other than a foul called on the play.
I don't see t-mac as being physical enough to even try something like that, but I'm not sure I'd put it past him.
As for the defense- what is wrong with a defender bodying up a player at half-court to keep the ball out of his hands? That's called tough, hard-nosed defense and there's nothing wrong with it, even though Adel-baby would like to have the Jazz step aside and let T-mac have an easy road to the rim on every play. (which, by-the-way, Boozer did in the 4th Saturday, why won't he take a hard foul like the Rockets do?
adam d | 3:32 p.m. April 29, 2008
Thanks for all of your comments about 3's. I agree with going inside most
of the time, but when your playing the best interior defense in the league bad
things happen. Blocks, no call fouls, and steals. I would rather have an open
shot taken from half court than no shot from a turn over. And again I am not
saying go nuts from the 3pt. The jazz are going to take their 13 a game but why
not actually call some plays to get Korver or Williams a wide open look?
sob | 3:58 p.m. April 29, 2008
these are the same rocketts that have been whining about the jazz sine the early
90's
the always complain then lose
the always complain then lose
Moto X | 4:03 p.m. April 29, 2008
Houston won lots of their games this year by shooting 3's and then by
defending their opponents from taking them. Their game plan is to prevent open
looks from 3 point land--they don't just defend the paint well--they also
defend the 3 well.
That is, in part, why KK has not done much in the playoffs thus far. KK is a one-trick-pony and they don't do much in the playoffs. Why? Teams will game plan to take that away. Remember Okur last year? Mr. 3 point/Okur got his 3's taken away. He had to develop something else ie. moves to the basket/putting it on the floor or it would have happened again this year.
KK's other value though is that his man does have to guard him which means their is one less man in the paint.
3-pt-shooting should be inside out. 3's vs. shot clock violation/turnover, what about the layup opponents get off long rebound because our guys were out of position for the rebound? Instead of them having to take out-of-bounds you just got scored on. Now you are further behind instead of setting up to defend.
Missed 3's frequently result in layups/fastbreak points. Risk-vs.-reward. You need balance.
That is, in part, why KK has not done much in the playoffs thus far. KK is a one-trick-pony and they don't do much in the playoffs. Why? Teams will game plan to take that away. Remember Okur last year? Mr. 3 point/Okur got his 3's taken away. He had to develop something else ie. moves to the basket/putting it on the floor or it would have happened again this year.
KK's other value though is that his man does have to guard him which means their is one less man in the paint.
3-pt-shooting should be inside out. 3's vs. shot clock violation/turnover, what about the layup opponents get off long rebound because our guys were out of position for the rebound? Instead of them having to take out-of-bounds you just got scored on. Now you are further behind instead of setting up to defend.
Missed 3's frequently result in layups/fastbreak points. Risk-vs.-reward. You need balance.
faraway fan | 4:03 p.m. April 29, 2008
Adam, the idea is that driving the lane becomes a turnover when players get
impatient with the offense. While there is nothing wrong with taking an
occasional 3 point attempt, there is no lower percentage shot than 0%. Remember
back when the three was never or hardly ever used but the games were always in
the 110 point range? Making the 3 available has cost us so much in terms of
players learning to make the inside stuff stay high percentage. Players let
their fundamentals slide to get good at the highlight stuff and the game
suffers. That is why Russel had more rings than Wilt and why Duncan has more
than Iverson. How many 3's does Duncan usually try per game?
Whatever | 4:18 p.m. April 29, 2008
I can't believe Adel is even defending T-Mac after he dissed him in the
post game interview by questioning his lineup at the last play of the game.
Seems like they're all a bunch of whiners. If they can't take the
heat, better blow the game and get out of it.
As far as defending T-Mac, I've never played pro ball, but isn't that what you're supposed to do? In fact in any sport isn't that the whole purpose? Yeah, our players (JAZZ) are physical, but they get the job done. There's shots that are missed on both sides, but what good is it to whine about it? Adel is out coached, his team is out played. T-Mac thinks he's all that, I haven't seen the finger wiggle when he makes a shot since the first game, because he knows he's knocked down a few pegs, ya think?
As far as dirty players and no calls by the ref, Adel needs to rewatch the tapes and watch his players. Skola is one of the dirtiest players I've seen in a long time. His flopping isn't working anymore, so he's taken to more physical tactics and not being called. Get real!!
As far as defending T-Mac, I've never played pro ball, but isn't that what you're supposed to do? In fact in any sport isn't that the whole purpose? Yeah, our players (JAZZ) are physical, but they get the job done. There's shots that are missed on both sides, but what good is it to whine about it? Adel is out coached, his team is out played. T-Mac thinks he's all that, I haven't seen the finger wiggle when he makes a shot since the first game, because he knows he's knocked down a few pegs, ya think?
As far as dirty players and no calls by the ref, Adel needs to rewatch the tapes and watch his players. Skola is one of the dirtiest players I've seen in a long time. His flopping isn't working anymore, so he's taken to more physical tactics and not being called. Get real!!
Great Combo! | 4:37 p.m. April 29, 2008
AdelBrain and McBaby. Gotta love it! Take it to 'em, Jazz. Stuff their
words down their throats.
Anonymous | 4:59 p.m. April 29, 2008
Didn't adelman beat the jazz in the playoffs when he coached the
trailblazers?
MAtt | 7:41 p.m. April 29, 2008
Since when has "playing too tough" been a problem? This is the
playoffs, stop being such a baby Adleman. When has a team ever won without being
tough? I'm pretty sure thats why the Spurs have won so many titles, they
dont cry, they play tough, they get things done, look what theyre doing to the
defensless Suns, toughness wins games, this isn't the All-Star game.
re: anonymous | 9:00 p.m. April 29, 2008
I know adelman beat the jazz when he coached the kings in 2002, don't know
about the trailblazers
GO JAZZZ | 9:50 p.m. April 29, 2008
lmao jazz fans, what did i say. you guys predicted blow out. you were half righ.
jazz got blown out.
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