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FLDS Church lawyers taking steps to sue Texas

Please donate to help free the captive FLDS children - you can go the the Captive FLDS children website and read all about this brutal inhumanity, and while you are there, donate whatever you can afford, please.

I'm a Canadian who has personally witnessed the bully tactics of CPS in this country - they really need to be sued and taught a strong lesson: don't mess with families, especially when any reasonable person would conclude THERE HAS BEEN NO ABUSE. Get a real job, and quit ruining people's lives. Every single day, somewhere in the world, these bullies, without due process, rob parents of their children, and it's all done to perpetuate the government mooching. Get a real job, and do something productive with your lives - quit bringing devastation and heartbreak to innocent families.

I am going to be donating even more money to the FLDS, and I can't wait to see the day of victory, when CPS and the State of Texas are exposed for the bullies they are.

Jail the fathers of children conceived when the mother was 15 or less, but release the others. No one can care for the children better than their natural mothers.

I hope the FLDS get a large settlement from the State of Texas, which will rein in its out-of-control CPS.

Polygamy will not be found to be illegal, given the diabolical U.S. Supreme Court precedent of Lawrence v. Texas.

31 of 53 girls between the age of 12 and 17 are either pregnant or have babies. NO ABUSE????

And so it begins . . . .

Thank you I have already mad a donation hopefully these mothers will be reunited with there children but I am sure it will have to reach the federal courts before all the children are returned.
I hope the state of Texas and the CPS will have to pay for their error.
What a bunch of idiots maybe we should bird dog everyone that was involved in taking these children and see how they raise their children.

It is being reported that 31 of 53 girls between the age of 12 and 17 either have babies or they are pregnant. This is child abuse. It could be that all 53 have been molested and not become pregnant yet. It could also be that many under age 12 have also been molested. Some say they would not molest girls under 12 because they only do it to reproduce. If that is the case why do they also molest the little boys. This is documented by Brent Jeffs as well as others.

"New statistics released Monday indicate that 53 of the girls are between the ages of 14 and 17. "We believe that 31 of them either have children or are pregnant," Crimmins said. "In most cases, that's what the girls have told us."

Sacrificing underage girls to marry and have children IS ABUSE.

31 and why the number will change.

First we know that Math is not the strong suite at Texas CPS. I have not been able to keep up with their body count.
Second problem is the age grouping. 17 is the legal age of consent so why is it included in any of these reports?
Third problem is CPS coercion. Ages are being based on the statements of the children. We have 20 mothers faced with being 18 and forcible separated from nursing children or being 17 and allowed to stay with their children.
Finally the fact that the original quote was quickly published as fact without critical evaluation tells me it is propaganda published by the state.

the FLDS! Guess you excuse abuse don't ya?

>>31 of 53 girls between the age of 12 and 17 are either pregnant or have babies. NO ABUSE????<<

Didn't you mean to say that "31 of the 53 girls between the age of "ONE" and 18, etc...?"

And remember, Texas felt it was OK for 14 year olds to marry and get pregnant before FLDS came to town. Why did Texas have an epiphany and suddenly decide it was an abuse? Go figure.

Re: Mrs. Johnson

Get ready, you're more likely to see members of the FLDS in an 'Orange Jumper suit' than a big backlash against TX.

Sex with underage girls is a crime... PERIOD! No amount of moaning will make civil society think otherwise.

A jury of citizens in TX will convict the wrong doers.

If TX needs to raise money to care for the children, then I'll donate. Same for the FLDS women. Nothing to the FLDS structure.

Re: Mrs. Johnson: "31 of 53 girls between the age of 12 and 17 are either pregnant or have babies. NO ABUSE????"

Depends.

First of all, the "between 12 and 17" was based on watching the young ladies, nothing more, and several -- many? most? -- of them claim to be 18.

Second, "12 to 17" is a significant span. If you've got 31 pregnant 12-year-olds, someone's looking at doing serious time.

On the other hand, if you're talking 17-year-olds, it's a little more nuanced.

They still may be considered victims, even if of age to consent, if the State claims the men involved were in a "position of trust." Given the environment at the ranch, I think Texas will give this a shot if they have to.

Another strategy Texas may try is to claim the "marrieds" are too closely related under Texas law.

None of this relieves Texas of following its own laws, though. Removing toddlers and kindergartners because they faced "imminent danger" -- i.e., danger now, not in ten or 15 years -- was IMO highly problematic.

Not the FLDS. The FLDS already takes your tax dollars. Do NOT send money to this cult and group of abusers!

If you read the articles thoroughly you will notice that it mentions that alot of these 31 girls claim to be of age but CPS has determined they probally(???) are not. When they wont acknowledge a birth certificate and drivers licences as valid ID,seems to me CPS doesn't want the facts,and what about the 3 (yes thats right 3!!) under age gils they've determined to be pregnant. Well let's see 1 is almost 18, and 1 refused a test.....SO there is 1 and I would really like to know her age!!!

I think the Texas CPS is desperate to find more than they have. It is claimed that many girls are over 18 but lied in order to stay with their children. Many girls also have birth certificates which Texas refuses to honor. Is Texas removing all the young girls who are pregnant by older boyfriends in the general population? Are we taking all the Catholic children because they could be abused by a priest? Texas needs to bring some sanity back in the process. Keep the teen girls and send all the boys and young children back and have protective services monitor them on site and have Texas sit down with them and set some ground rules on what they both can accept. God bless.

Susan,

I do recall that the authorities in some states have arrested priests for crimes against boys. The difference is that with girls you can see they're pregnant, underage; for boys, you have to rely on them saying something. CPS responded to a call at YFZ ranch, could see pregnant underage girls and rightfully removed them. CPS also had info on past pratices of FLDS treatment of boys, and rightfully removed the boys, pending review by the court.

The Sheriff in his prior visits to the ranch thought there were no more then 150 folks at the ranch. They saw upwards of 400 children. Add to that, none of the parents/adults were giving truthful info about the kid.

What parent willfully lies about their kids age and other facts?

Their actions undermined their credibility, and the TX authorities had to act.

Bravo to TX!!

Way to go FLDS. Texas richly deserves to be sued over this fiasco. It's doubtful Texas CPS had the goal of saving the children in the first place. Harassing a religion they don't want for neighbors in Eldorado, Texas seems more likely.

Innocent until proven guilty,used to be.

Nationally 2800 teens get pregnant each day,one-quarter of 15 year old females have had sex,just some stats I found.We need to start building more jails,and hire more foster parents.

Thank God the Texans have taken control of this. It is unthinkable that people feel it is there right to molest children in the name of God. Let�s not lose site of the fact that:
A. molesting children is against the law.
B. Raping a child is against the law.
C. Polygamy is against the law.

Where is the Utah Attorney General in all of this? He feels polygamy is not serious enough to prosecute? That the state of Utah has no the resources to go after these kind of people? My word. This man needs to be replaced with someone with some moral fiber and values.

This behavior has been going on for long enough in this state, and for The Attorney General to perpetuate this kind of behavior is shameful.

We (Utah) should be prosecuting these criminals. Not sitting on the sidelines waiting for Texas to clean up this mess. Utah should show some leadership and step up to the front and show the WORLD that we truly look out for the children of this state and we are leaders in protecting their rights against the evil people that would harm them.

It is a good thing that most of y'all aren't from Texas....

It makes it so much easier to ignore you.

'Sides, I haven't noticed that your house is in order, felons running all over the place, ignoring the law, children being sexually assaulted under the guise religion....

If y'all want a lesson on how to take care of business, come on out, we'll show you.

If you just want to bellyache, the line forms in California.