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RE: BSU81 | 6:27 p.m. April 29, 2008
Yes, Boise State won the "PAC-10" in wrestling, let's take a look
at the prestigious teams (of these this was Oregon's last season):
Arizona State
Boise State
Cal Poly
Cal State Bakersfield
Cal State Fullerton
Oregon
Oregon State
Portland State
Stanford
UC Davis
Certainly doesn't remind me of the other PAC-10 schools.
And regarding football, the conferences can do what they want that will earn them the most money. Until the NCAA sponsors the "post-season" in football money will be the driving factor.
And yes, while I am a BYU grad I am a Big 10 fan.
Arizona State
Boise State
Cal Poly
Cal State Bakersfield
Cal State Fullerton
Oregon
Oregon State
Portland State
Stanford
UC Davis
Certainly doesn't remind me of the other PAC-10 schools.
And regarding football, the conferences can do what they want that will earn them the most money. Until the NCAA sponsors the "post-season" in football money will be the driving factor.
And yes, while I am a BYU grad I am a Big 10 fan.
Re: Scoobie | 6:39 p.m. April 29, 2008
The BCS was not created because of the '84 BYU team. It actually was
created in 1998 after Michigan and Nebraska split the A/P and Coaches poll in
1997, both going undefeated. There was no true champion. Not everything is
about BYU.
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Cal reader | 6:39 p.m. April 29, 2008
It didn't take long for the anti-BYU people to pop their heads up and spout
off. I think an article on nail trimming would bring them out.
O - H! | 7:35 p.m. April 29, 2008
I - O!
Go Buckeyes!
Why will the Buckeyes get over their little National Championship "hump" this year?
They're returning virtually every starter from last year, had one of the top recruiting classes in the country, are deep at every position, and...add mega-star TERRELLE PRYOR to the mix!
With all the junior All-Americans that decided to forego the NFL draft(Boone, Jenkins, Laurinaitis, etc.), you're looking at roughly 20 Ohio State starters that will almost certainly be playing on Sundays soon.
Once the Bucks thump USC in September, you better get used to the idea of seeing Ohio State in the NC again, except this time they're loaded, fast and experienced!
GO BUCKS! LONG LIVE THE BCS!
Go Buckeyes!
Why will the Buckeyes get over their little National Championship "hump" this year?
They're returning virtually every starter from last year, had one of the top recruiting classes in the country, are deep at every position, and...add mega-star TERRELLE PRYOR to the mix!
With all the junior All-Americans that decided to forego the NFL draft(Boone, Jenkins, Laurinaitis, etc.), you're looking at roughly 20 Ohio State starters that will almost certainly be playing on Sundays soon.
Once the Bucks thump USC in September, you better get used to the idea of seeing Ohio State in the NC again, except this time they're loaded, fast and experienced!
GO BUCKS! LONG LIVE THE BCS!
O-H! No . . . | 8:01 p.m. April 29, 2008
not Ohio State again.
I think this year it is Georgia's turn to humiliate OS if they get to the big dance.
It is like a year long slow motion car wreck and even before the season starts you can see how this is going to end and it isn't pretty for the BuckEyes.
Go Dawgs
I think this year it is Georgia's turn to humiliate OS if they get to the big dance.
It is like a year long slow motion car wreck and even before the season starts you can see how this is going to end and it isn't pretty for the BuckEyes.
Go Dawgs
Football Pageant | 8:38 p.m. April 29, 2008
The current system is not a playoff system. Rather than the BCS it should be
called the College Football Pageant. That is why everyone hates it other than
Rose Bowl executives. Noone will ever be happy until there is a 16 team
football playoff. I know, I know it can't be done. Bla, Bla, Bla.
It's not peace in the middle east. Set up a 16 team bracket and play it.
That's all. Someone in the NCAA just needs to make it happen. The guy
that made it happen would be the most loved person in the US.
Do It! | 9:23 p.m. April 29, 2008
If they play any sport in the next life, it will be college football. There is
nothing quite like an Autumn afternoon watching college football. However, it
is the only sport where the Cinderella is kicked to the curb. To the O-H-I-O
State fan who said, "long live the BCS" are you kidding me? What are
you afraid of? Appalachian State? What does Ohio State have to brag about
anyway? They get schooled by the SEC every year.
Home Field Advantage | 10:54 p.m. April 29, 2008
Move some of those BCS games up to the north, and we'll see what the result
will be. I'm sick and tired of SEC home field advantage in bowl games.
The NC in New Orleans? Are you kidding me?!?!?
I want to see the NC in a foot of snow in Buffalo or Green Bay and see how the pansies in the SEC fare.
The NC in New Orleans? Are you kidding me?!?!?
I want to see the NC in a foot of snow in Buffalo or Green Bay and see how the pansies in the SEC fare.
They don't hold all the cards | 11:51 p.m. April 29, 2008
The pac-10 and big ten schools act as if they hold all the cards: they
don't.
Those schools all play unbalanced schedules. Equal teams play home-and-home series. Bigger schools only agree to "you come here, we pay you, now get lost" deals (Aren't we still waiting for Michigan to come to Utah?), or at best two-for-one deals (notre dame and BYU). Either way they get the lion's share of the gate. If the non-BCS schools stopped doing those deals, the BCS schools would get hurt.
Hawaii already showed you don't have to have a big game on your schedule, just go undefeated, so the incentive for a 1-2 deal is no longer there -- home and home with an equal school is probably now just as financially viable, and would be especially so if it led to a genuine playoff system, and not this four-then-one baloney that is being proposed.
pac and big 10 schools don't want to home-and-home each other. The chance of a loss hurts their players and their record, decreasing the likelihood of the big payday down the road. If anyone doesn't believe this, look at notre dame.
Those schools all play unbalanced schedules. Equal teams play home-and-home series. Bigger schools only agree to "you come here, we pay you, now get lost" deals (Aren't we still waiting for Michigan to come to Utah?), or at best two-for-one deals (notre dame and BYU). Either way they get the lion's share of the gate. If the non-BCS schools stopped doing those deals, the BCS schools would get hurt.
Hawaii already showed you don't have to have a big game on your schedule, just go undefeated, so the incentive for a 1-2 deal is no longer there -- home and home with an equal school is probably now just as financially viable, and would be especially so if it led to a genuine playoff system, and not this four-then-one baloney that is being proposed.
pac and big 10 schools don't want to home-and-home each other. The chance of a loss hurts their players and their record, decreasing the likelihood of the big payday down the road. If anyone doesn't believe this, look at notre dame.
re:BYU... who? | 11:56 p.m. April 29, 2008
If the BCS schools are so superior, then they shouldn't have a problem with
a playoff, should they?
No one thinks BYU or Utah would contend every year, we'd just like to see them have a chance when they catch lightning in a bottle like Utah did in 2004.
If there were a geniune playoff, not this gutless 4 and 1 deal, then recruiting would be on an increasingly level playing field, because players would know they would have a chance at a BCS bowl in the lighting years.
No one thinks BYU or Utah would contend every year, we'd just like to see them have a chance when they catch lightning in a bottle like Utah did in 2004.
If there were a geniune playoff, not this gutless 4 and 1 deal, then recruiting would be on an increasingly level playing field, because players would know they would have a chance at a BCS bowl in the lighting years.
Whiney Boy; | 3:20 a.m. April 30, 2008
None of the BCS bowls are in SEC stadiums, N.O. is the only one even close to an
SEC school.
Play the games in 10 feet of snow and the result will be the same.
Play the games in 10 feet of snow and the result will be the same.
Texas Who? | 5:48 a.m. April 30, 2008
To "BYU....Who?" I would remind you to look at BYU's
non-conference victories from 1980-2007. You will find many wins by BYU over
teams with rosters full of fleet-footed athletes who were predicted to run by
our "slow foted players with ease." Wisconsin, SMU (Craig James AND
Eric Dickerson), UCLA, Pitt, Washington, Wash State, Michigan, Miami (#1 ranked
BTW), Penn State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, Notre Dame, Kansas
State, Missouri, Oregon, Virginia, Boston College, Arizona St, Cal, Miss St,
Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Arizona. Find us a non-BCS team who has played and
defeated more BCS conference schools over the years than BYU. Go ahead, try. So
your argument that Texas and Oklahoma are too talented for BYU is obviously
transparent since BYU is 2-0 against the horns and 1-0 against OK (a bowl game).
WHile it is true that BYU is 0-2 against USC and 0-3 against OhSt, most teams
out there, BCS or not, have losing records against those two programs. And in
2003, BYU came as close as anyone to knocking off the eventual Nat Champs,
erasing a 20-0 USC lead, getting to within 20-18 in the fourth quarter until USC
scored again. Texas who?
LV Cougarfan | 8:40 a.m. April 30, 2008
Dick just wrote the article I would have wrote last year. He's dead
on...the Rose Bowl is the #1 reason we will never have a playoff. If I were to
have a hit list (I'm definitely not advocating anyone having one)...Jim
Delany would be on the top of my list and Tom Hansen would be #2. Jim Delany is
the Vladamir Putin of College Football (he even kind of looks like him).
He's College Football playoff advocates' worst enemy. I agree with
Dick, the other 4 BCS conferences should let Jim and Tom go through with their
threat to leave if there's a move to a playoff. Let them play their rosy
game by themselves while the rest of college football has a true National
Champion that's annointed by the NCAA. (The FBS Subdivision of football is
the only sport that the NCAA doesn't acknowledge a National Champion). The
NCAA is actually probably just as accountable as Jim Delany and Tom Hansen
because of their inaction. The whole reason they were established was to ensure
fairness and to establish a true national champion. They don't do that for
college football.
Re: Nothing is Fair | 10:29 a.m. April 30, 2008
Yes, to answer your first question. That 9-3 team had the opportunity to win
those three games that it lost, they were given the opportunity. The teams
outside the BCS are not given the opportunity, that is the unfair part. The BCS
excludes teams from the National Championship.
And here is just a question that I hope someone can answer. Why is it that the NCAA can govern every aspect of play, including rules, scholarships, who can eat dinner with whom and get it paid for, etc. and yet they can allow the disparity to occur when it comes to not allowing equal and fair play when it comes to the national championship? That, in my opinion, would be the basis for a law suit against the NCAA. If it governs one aspect of play, it should govern all, and therefore be fair.
And here is just a question that I hope someone can answer. Why is it that the NCAA can govern every aspect of play, including rules, scholarships, who can eat dinner with whom and get it paid for, etc. and yet they can allow the disparity to occur when it comes to not allowing equal and fair play when it comes to the national championship? That, in my opinion, would be the basis for a law suit against the NCAA. If it governs one aspect of play, it should govern all, and therefore be fair.
Cougar Fan from Wyoming | 11:37 a.m. April 30, 2008
First of all for the transplant from Texas, learn to spell before you rant how
great other conferences are. The idea of a four team playoff is a great idea
for starters, at least with four teams there would be twice the chance of
getting the best teams.
The Mountain West and WAC top teams could very well hold their own with most of the teams in the so called major conferences and are every bit as deserving of a chance to be in a play off as are the second tier teams from the major conferences. Bring on the four team play off and go from there.
The Mountain West and WAC top teams could very well hold their own with most of the teams in the so called major conferences and are every bit as deserving of a chance to be in a play off as are the second tier teams from the major conferences. Bring on the four team play off and go from there.
Scoobie | 11:59 a.m. April 30, 2008
Ref: Soobie
We're both right...the imputus... "WAS"... the BYU undefeated season of 83 that crowned us in 84 since the Holiday bowl was played before New Years Day. Brian Gumble, "The Mouth" (Barry Sweitzer) and a certain Ohio State Alumni made a big stink over it. The concept of the BCS was initiated not long after by the Ohio State Alumnus who later became the University President and later Big Ten Commisioner.
When you plant a seed for "some trees" ... it takes a few years for the seedling to develop and then for that seedling to grow and expand into a fully developed tree with ripening fruit it takes even longer. That is where you fail to see my friend...... The BCS didn't develop over night....and our former Ohio State University President/ Big Ten Commissioner,.... is the brainchild. Because of the Rose bowl ties that already existed between the Big Ten and the PAC Ten is what keeps the BCS in power....it's also the reason for this article.
We're both right...the imputus... "WAS"... the BYU undefeated season of 83 that crowned us in 84 since the Holiday bowl was played before New Years Day. Brian Gumble, "The Mouth" (Barry Sweitzer) and a certain Ohio State Alumni made a big stink over it. The concept of the BCS was initiated not long after by the Ohio State Alumnus who later became the University President and later Big Ten Commisioner.
When you plant a seed for "some trees" ... it takes a few years for the seedling to develop and then for that seedling to grow and expand into a fully developed tree with ripening fruit it takes even longer. That is where you fail to see my friend...... The BCS didn't develop over night....and our former Ohio State University President/ Big Ten Commissioner,.... is the brainchild. Because of the Rose bowl ties that already existed between the Big Ten and the PAC Ten is what keeps the BCS in power....it's also the reason for this article.
Helmsdeep(81) | 1:32 p.m. April 30, 2008
Ref: Ref: Scoobie
The BCS was in existence before the 98 season. All the 97 season did was force the BCS to get the polls together on the same page to select a true "BCS" #1 & #2 and that they and only they would win the "BCS" National title. Prior to 98 with the disagreeing polls it was possible for a winning #3 or a winning #4 to split the title if there was disagreement in the performance level of play between #1 and #2.
The issue of the at large birth selection by rankings also was changed prior to 98 because of the snubbing of the 96 BYU Cougars who at #8 was forced to go to the Cotton Bowl ( which they won finishing #5 in the final Poll) despite being #9 or higher which was the BCS criteria.
The BCS was in existence before the 98 season. All the 97 season did was force the BCS to get the polls together on the same page to select a true "BCS" #1 & #2 and that they and only they would win the "BCS" National title. Prior to 98 with the disagreeing polls it was possible for a winning #3 or a winning #4 to split the title if there was disagreement in the performance level of play between #1 and #2.
The issue of the at large birth selection by rankings also was changed prior to 98 because of the snubbing of the 96 BYU Cougars who at #8 was forced to go to the Cotton Bowl ( which they won finishing #5 in the final Poll) despite being #9 or higher which was the BCS criteria.
Re: Carmel Candace | 2:26 p.m. April 30, 2008
"Without the BigTen/Pac10, none of the other four BCS conferences could
legitimately lay claim to a national championship without a serious
asterisk."
The National Championship already deserves a serious asterisk. It's nothing but a beauty contest. There were at least 6 teams last season who could have built serious cases for being picked for the BCS Championship game.
The National Championship already deserves a serious asterisk. It's nothing but a beauty contest. There were at least 6 teams last season who could have built serious cases for being picked for the BCS Championship game.
Re: BYU ..... Who? | 2:41 p.m. April 30, 2008
"You do not have the talent to beat the teams at the top."
Typical BCS conference supporter arrogance; except for the Pac 10, most top BCS teams won't schedule games in places like Provo, Salt Lake City, and Boise because they know there is a good chance they are afraid that could actually lose to a good team on the road.
1990
- Miami, defending National Champion and No. 1 ranked with their speedy defensive backs
vs.
- BYU and their slow-footed receivers
BYU - 28
Miami - 21
Typical BCS conference supporter arrogance; except for the Pac 10, most top BCS teams won't schedule games in places like Provo, Salt Lake City, and Boise because they know there is a good chance they are afraid that could actually lose to a good team on the road.
1990
- Miami, defending National Champion and No. 1 ranked with their speedy defensive backs
vs.
- BYU and their slow-footed receivers
BYU - 28
Miami - 21
BTU...thats WHO | 2:50 p.m. April 30, 2008
Dear Tex:
Hope you really enjoy watching bubba ball in the SEC and Big Eight(or is it Big 2 and the little 6). Where players seldom attend real classes and graduation runs a distance second to posting up for the NFL draft even if you are not even drafted.
Bring on the hype and jive and vist Provo for a thumping, just like BSU put on Oklahoma and BYU put on the elite DUCKS from the PAC -10.
What a treat to see the good ole Fla Gators face off againt the Cougars in the 2008 sugar. Check the final 2007 rankings , and I think you'll find the beloved longhorns looking up at the cougars!!!
Hope you really enjoy watching bubba ball in the SEC and Big Eight(or is it Big 2 and the little 6). Where players seldom attend real classes and graduation runs a distance second to posting up for the NFL draft even if you are not even drafted.
Bring on the hype and jive and vist Provo for a thumping, just like BSU put on Oklahoma and BYU put on the elite DUCKS from the PAC -10.
What a treat to see the good ole Fla Gators face off againt the Cougars in the 2008 sugar. Check the final 2007 rankings , and I think you'll find the beloved longhorns looking up at the cougars!!!
congress | 3:08 p.m. April 30, 2008
I will post it again as I have before when ever this BCS topic comes up. NOTHING
WILL EVER HAPPEN UNTIL CONGRESS SHUTS THIS CARTEL DOWN!!!! Remember its ALL
ABOUT THE MONEY!! These Commissioners, University presidents and other people
are being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars under the table to keep things
at status quo. Im sure their getting "other benefits" as well if you
know what I mean
BTU... | 3:10 p.m. April 30, 2008
what are you smoking?
can I have some?
can I have some?
dreams | 10:54 a.m. May 1, 2008
hey BTU, if your going to dream at least get it right:
BYU vs Georgia for the Nat Championship ?
let's make it a date
Go Dawgs
BYU vs Georgia for the Nat Championship ?
let's make it a date
Go Dawgs
Scoobie | 12:23 p.m. May 1, 2008
Ref:BTU.....thats WHO
Mendenhall over Chow followed by a Win over Urban Myer.....now that would be a season even if we lost to the Uteys.........I have my doubts.... lets just get past Washington and take the season as it comes......this is a special team and could be a special year.....we don't need the hype and jive frenzy....cool your jets....and quite being a jerk.
Mendenhall over Chow followed by a Win over Urban Myer.....now that would be a season even if we lost to the Uteys.........I have my doubts.... lets just get past Washington and take the season as it comes......this is a special team and could be a special year.....we don't need the hype and jive frenzy....cool your jets....and quite being a jerk.
Scoobie | 2:11 p.m. May 1, 2008
Ref: O-H!
I-O
Do you like worms???.........I'll keep plenty of them on hand.... to serve to you on a plate just in case somebody like little ole Indiana trips "the(pronounced thee) Mighty Buckeyes" and gives them a Charlie Rose of a shiner.
I-O
Do you like worms???.........I'll keep plenty of them on hand.... to serve to you on a plate just in case somebody like little ole Indiana trips "the(pronounced thee) Mighty Buckeyes" and gives them a Charlie Rose of a shiner.
BYU pro | 3:29 p.m. May 1, 2008
BYU....? Yeah just like Oklahoma wuppped up on boise state a year or two
back...LOL
BYU pro | 4:27 p.m. May 1, 2008
Hey anonymous BYU and Utah did not want to compete for the limited talent in the
area at the time with Logan State Agricultural College. That is the reason for
the dis...
A Utah man am I | 4:53 p.m. May 1, 2008
I am a Utah fan, but I am realistic one. We're never going back to a BCS
bowl. We got very lucky to go the first time because we had a once-in-a-lifetime
coach (Urban Meyer) and a once-in-a-lifetime player (Alex Smith).
Now that they're gone, we are again the same program we were under McBride. We could fire Whittingham and hope to get another coach like Meyer who uses us for a stepping stone to somewhere great, but we're more likely to hire someone like Guy Somebody (that's Utah State's coach for those of you who don't follow D-II teams) than Urban Meyer. ... Realistically, we are the third best program (behind TCU and, ugh, BYU) in the nation's best non-BCS conference. We can consistently win between six and eight games a year, which is pretty good, considering how far under the radar we are nationally (thank you, Craig Thompson). So this article is meaningless to me.
Utah fans shouldn't fight this.
If there was a playoff, all that would happen is that we'd just be sitting at home watching BYU occasionally play in the playoff.
That's not what I fought in 'Nam for.
And I ain't fightin' for this.
Now that they're gone, we are again the same program we were under McBride. We could fire Whittingham and hope to get another coach like Meyer who uses us for a stepping stone to somewhere great, but we're more likely to hire someone like Guy Somebody (that's Utah State's coach for those of you who don't follow D-II teams) than Urban Meyer. ... Realistically, we are the third best program (behind TCU and, ugh, BYU) in the nation's best non-BCS conference. We can consistently win between six and eight games a year, which is pretty good, considering how far under the radar we are nationally (thank you, Craig Thompson). So this article is meaningless to me.
Utah fans shouldn't fight this.
If there was a playoff, all that would happen is that we'd just be sitting at home watching BYU occasionally play in the playoff.
That's not what I fought in 'Nam for.
And I ain't fightin' for this.
A Cougar man am I | 11:22 a.m. May 2, 2008
Actually, I think Utah has realistically been the MWC's best overall team
since its inception. You can tell I'm a die-hard cougar fan because I
anonymously posted this entry AS one, and didn't leave my real name.
Where's the beef? | 12:03 p.m. May 2, 2008
Its money and nothing less. Right now, the big conferences would win a playoff
system. The issue is 5-10 years down the road. Players would be more willing
to commit to other schools if they knew they would have a shot at the playoffs.
Slowly, we would see more parity. Slowly, USC, Florida, Ohio State, Notre Dame
--etc would lose their power. The big conferences know it and that is why they
fight it. If it wasn't big money, you would not have titles such as CEO of
the Fiesta Bowl. CEO of a bowl? Come on!!!!
Re: Scoobie | 3:21 p.m. May 2, 2008
That's fine. I seriously doubt Indiana will trip up Ohio State anytime
soon because they don't even play each other this coming season. Continue
your wishful thinking.
The last time the Buckeyes lost to a team that did not go on to a BCS bowl or win a National Championship was 2004. Keep in mind that 3 out of Ohio State's last 4 losses were to the eventual National Champions.
With this said, Scoobie, I'll keep a plate of worms around in case BYU finds a mediocre Conference USA team on their schedule. Wait... actually, I won't. Not only could a three year old come up with something better than "worms," I really couldn't care less if BYU loses to Northern Iowa or Washington, nor will anyone else. Would it even make headlines? Probably not, because it won't be much of a surprise. Anyway, my attention will be on the Ohio State - USC game around the time of BYU's next loss to a mediocre Pac-10 team.
The last time the Buckeyes lost to a team that did not go on to a BCS bowl or win a National Championship was 2004. Keep in mind that 3 out of Ohio State's last 4 losses were to the eventual National Champions.
With this said, Scoobie, I'll keep a plate of worms around in case BYU finds a mediocre Conference USA team on their schedule. Wait... actually, I won't. Not only could a three year old come up with something better than "worms," I really couldn't care less if BYU loses to Northern Iowa or Washington, nor will anyone else. Would it even make headlines? Probably not, because it won't be much of a surprise. Anyway, my attention will be on the Ohio State - USC game around the time of BYU's next loss to a mediocre Pac-10 team.
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