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People Forget | 11:03 a.m. April 29, 2008
It used to be much worse...even the BCS is an improvement from what used to
happen...aka 1984
Gap isn't as big as your heads | 11:12 a.m. April 29, 2008
Texans! You're great in your own right. Fix the BCS and Florida, Texas,
Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State would all still be good. So why are you afraid to
allow a BYU in its best year the chance to prove you wrong?
The Boston Celtics should have dispatched the Atlanta Hawks by now, by your logic, but give a team with heart the dream of the playoffs and you've got a series. It's tied up! Who'd have thought. But of those thousands watching, who'd have seen it unless it didn't play out?
The Boston Celtics should have dispatched the Atlanta Hawks by now, by your logic, but give a team with heart the dream of the playoffs and you've got a series. It's tied up! Who'd have thought. But of those thousands watching, who'd have seen it unless it didn't play out?
1984 | 11:14 a.m. April 29, 2008
When Oklahoma was too afraid to play BYU? They lost any right to claiming a
title because their coach refused to play BYU for it. Good example of how dumb
the big boys are.
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To BYU Who>>>>>>>>> | 11:13 a.m. April 29, 2008
BYU may not be a powerhouse and may not be able to compete with Kansas or
Missouri at the top of the Big 12. But if you check the records, BYU is 2-0
against Texas and 1-0 against Oklahoma and these weren't even our good
teams. I remember those games, it wasn't BYU who looked slow.
Anonymous | 11:17 a.m. April 29, 2008
Re: BYU who. Your point is well taken. Let's take a look at the NFL draft
of last weekend. How many Cougars were taken in the draft? I believe the answer
is 1, and that was in the 4th round. How many USC trojans were taken in the
draft? There is a huge difference in the QUALITY of NFL ready players that
leave the big schools. When you practice against the best and play the best you
deserve to be called the best.
Duhhh | 11:17 a.m. April 29, 2008
BYU..Who: In case you don't know, BYU beat Texas in Austin. Just thought
I'd confuse the issue with a fact. :)
Excuse Yourself | 11:26 a.m. April 29, 2008
I don't understand why the mid-level conferences don't break off and
do their own playoff. Invite the conference champions from those conferences,
put a NCAA logo on the trophy and call yourselves the NCAA Champions.
The bowls that BYU/Utah go to now are meaningless. They practice for a month so they can play a mediocre team, and in the end they get a meaningless trophy.
Who cares that BYU won the Las Vegas Bowl last year?
Who cares that the UofU has the longest Bowl winning streak?
All we hear at the end of every college football season is, "Yeah they won the National Championship, but...."
There should be no "buts" about it!
The bowls that BYU/Utah go to now are meaningless. They practice for a month so they can play a mediocre team, and in the end they get a meaningless trophy.
Who cares that BYU won the Las Vegas Bowl last year?
Who cares that the UofU has the longest Bowl winning streak?
All we hear at the end of every college football season is, "Yeah they won the National Championship, but...."
There should be no "buts" about it!
Anonymous | 11:27 a.m. April 29, 2008
To the comment about having USC play BYU in 2006 because when SC beat them under
Crowten, it was not representative of a good BYU team, Do you think that the
2006 SC team that lost to UCLA and Oregon State and STILL stomped Michigan in
the Rose Bowl would be good representation of USC football?
thumb suckers | 11:26 a.m. April 29, 2008
Pac10/Big10 know they will be thumped by SEC every year.
The Rose Bowl is a comfy blanky they can hide behind and know no one will kick sand in their face.
Do a play-off without them. No one will even notice they're not there.
The Rose Bowl is a comfy blanky they can hide behind and know no one will kick sand in their face.
Do a play-off without them. No one will even notice they're not there.
Helmsdeep(81) | 11:28 a.m. April 29, 2008
Gee Dick, nice pick up on the obvious there...what do you think I've been
saying for the last five years??? It was an Ohio State alumni, former University
President and Big 10 Commissioner who started the ball rolling....largly due to
the "83" Holiday Bowl.......He was insessant at BYU's national
championship .......the Pac 10 and the Rose bowl were automatic because of the
previous conference ties to that New Years day Bowl........the three follow on
Buckeye victories over the Cougars gave the guy a false sense of security,
thinking that creating this monstrocity would rid the elite of this pesty little
university in Provo and bar the door to all the little conferences like the WAC.
He didn't see BYU"s "96" season coming nor would he even
fathom that not only the WAC, but now this new Mountain West Conference would
continue to keep bashing in the doors to the BCS party..........How could you
not have seen this long before now???
Go State! | 11:29 a.m. April 29, 2008
We Are....Penn State!
Scoobie | 11:41 a.m. April 29, 2008
Let's see....I've heard this before.....thats right I've been
saying this for a couple of years....nice to see someone else myself and Terry
Bowden finally getting the picture of the "True Nature" of the BCS.
It's about time Dick!!!!!
It's about time Dick!!!!!
Re: Carmel Candace | 11:45 a.m. April 29, 2008
"You know we won the BCS national Championship, but that undefeated USC
team that creamed everyone they faced and won the Rose Bowl might have been a
worthy opponent, but they exist in their own separate arrangement with the
BigTen..." will just not fly with anyone." What you're saying is
that the current system is ok to exclude the 5 "lesser" conferences
and that the BCS can crown someone they choose to be the National Champion.
There should be an asterisk already to the entire NC!! Because not everyone
gets a shot at it. I tell my kids that nothing is fair in life, except it
should be when you are playing a game and everyone has to play by the same
rules. Unfortunately, someday I'll have to explain that if they go to x
university, they won't be able to play for the national championship, so
they can't even have the highest goal available to them.
Scoobie | 11:49 a.m. April 29, 2008
Crowton's gone, Rhondo's gone, Vine's gone.......Mendenhall
rules.... and BYU athletics are in Tom Holmoe's capable hands, so is get on
with your lives you Crowton groupies......geez let it die.
Little man syndrome | 12:08 p.m. April 29, 2008
Maybe BYU should replace Northern Iowa with LSU on their schedule. Instead of
Eastern Washington play Ohio State or Florida. Until teams in the lesser
conferences play the big boys and show that they can compete, they will
continued to be overlooked.
Yes... if your child goes to X university he won't be able to play for a national championship. So, if that is the goal, and the kid is good enough, he should shoot for a BCS school.
To "thumbsuckers" The SEC sticks with its comfy blankie of playing SEC teams. I will agree that the SEC is tough, but often play schedules on the softer end of the scale.
Yes... if your child goes to X university he won't be able to play for a national championship. So, if that is the goal, and the kid is good enough, he should shoot for a BCS school.
To "thumbsuckers" The SEC sticks with its comfy blankie of playing SEC teams. I will agree that the SEC is tough, but often play schedules on the softer end of the scale.
Tip of the Iceberg | 12:08 p.m. April 29, 2008
Dick, I'm not convinced for a second that the Big Ten, Pac-10, and Rose
Bowl are the ONLY guilty parties here. Do you think the SEC wants to give up
its ability to proclaim itself the strongest football conference in the country?
(Despite protests, yes.) The ACC and Big Twelve are sitting pretty right where
they are, and they'd rather not upset the applecart, either.
Isn't the Big Least--uh, the Big East--shaking in their boots at any portent of being removed from the BCS cartel, now that it's fairly obvious to even uninformed observers that even the MWC, Conference USA, and possibly even the WAC, for heck's sakes, are better football conferences?
If you were right, Dick, the BCS WOULD throw the Rose Bowl/Big Ten/Pac-10 under the bus, as you suggest. But you're wrong--the BCS still benefits ALL the big boys. This group isn't any more guilty than the rest of them.
If the BCS AS A WHOLE wanted to re-invent itself, it would. But it doesn't want to. It wants only token reforms while keeping the ability to rake in cash for itself and maintain its power.
The BCS is the problem. Not conferences. Not a bowl.
Isn't the Big Least--uh, the Big East--shaking in their boots at any portent of being removed from the BCS cartel, now that it's fairly obvious to even uninformed observers that even the MWC, Conference USA, and possibly even the WAC, for heck's sakes, are better football conferences?
If you were right, Dick, the BCS WOULD throw the Rose Bowl/Big Ten/Pac-10 under the bus, as you suggest. But you're wrong--the BCS still benefits ALL the big boys. This group isn't any more guilty than the rest of them.
If the BCS AS A WHOLE wanted to re-invent itself, it would. But it doesn't want to. It wants only token reforms while keeping the ability to rake in cash for itself and maintain its power.
The BCS is the problem. Not conferences. Not a bowl.
Fight on!!! | 12:11 p.m. April 29, 2008
I laugh. I live in utah. i hear all this talk about how big the BYU- Utah game
is. The people in this state think that thier rivalry is one of the biggest in
the nation. Sorry to tell you but it isn't even close. Maye in the top 20
rivalries. Maybe. As Hawaii showed, you guys cant play with the big boys. You
can get up for Big games and pull off some good wins. Byu barley beating UCLA
was a good win. but not BCS worthy. You need to be able to consistently beat top
opponents. I was at the USC BYU game a few years back. Im sorry but BYU got
spanked. Both times. I dont care if it was close for a quater and a half in one
of the games. Your guys jock strap is still on the 10 yard line in the colisium.
Texas Cougar | 12:13 p.m. April 29, 2008
BY Who?...I live in Texas right now. You know a whole lot more about BYU
football than even the most rabid Texas football fan. I think you are a Ute fan
in Texan clothing (I don't blame you for trying to be a Texan, especially
when it comes to football).
Of course the teams at the top are more talented than BYU, but that doesn't make them better. Every year, the most talented team in the MWC is San Diego (they send more football players to the pros than many of the big BCS teams). Yet, BYU usually handles them quite well.
BYU, TCU, Boise State, and Utah (especially Utah) have beaten team that, talent-wise, they had no business even playing. That's what makes college football so fun: You never know if David is going to beat Goliath.
That's what makes the BCS so disappointing. Big league teams don't want to schedule mid-major start ups. Do you think Florida wants to go play in Rice-Eccles in November? How about Ohio State playing in Provo at the beginning of September? It won't happen as long as the BCS rewards high level teams for weak schedule romps.
Of course the teams at the top are more talented than BYU, but that doesn't make them better. Every year, the most talented team in the MWC is San Diego (they send more football players to the pros than many of the big BCS teams). Yet, BYU usually handles them quite well.
BYU, TCU, Boise State, and Utah (especially Utah) have beaten team that, talent-wise, they had no business even playing. That's what makes college football so fun: You never know if David is going to beat Goliath.
That's what makes the BCS so disappointing. Big league teams don't want to schedule mid-major start ups. Do you think Florida wants to go play in Rice-Eccles in November? How about Ohio State playing in Provo at the beginning of September? It won't happen as long as the BCS rewards high level teams for weak schedule romps.
SOCAL | 12:16 p.m. April 29, 2008
Anonymous is a pinhead. Let's just use the NFL draft as the measuring stick
for all of college football. If you are the #1 draft pick, then you get the
Heisman. Whatever team has the most players drafted gets named National
Champions. More NFL players come from BCS schools BECAUSE they have a monopoly
on national TV exposure and the wealth that comes from being a BCS school.
Stanley Havili spurned BYU in favor of my Trojans for those very reasons. Great for SC but very unfair to BYU. If given equal access schools with a commitment to football excellence (and believe me there are plenty of schools in the PAC 10 that are not committed) would rise to the top.
And yes national TV audiences would watch and cheer for the "little guys" as they did with Boise a couple of years ago.
Stanley Havili spurned BYU in favor of my Trojans for those very reasons. Great for SC but very unfair to BYU. If given equal access schools with a commitment to football excellence (and believe me there are plenty of schools in the PAC 10 that are not committed) would rise to the top.
And yes national TV audiences would watch and cheer for the "little guys" as they did with Boise a couple of years ago.
SEC is the KEY | 12:33 p.m. April 29, 2008
If the SEC want's the playoff system then it should be a no-brainer because
they're the teams that are pounding everyone else. SEC is good ole',
fast moving, smash mouth football.
Let the PAC and BIG Ten babies have their football and go play on another field. I'll take the SEC, MWC, Big twelve, WAC, MAC, USA and Notre Dame any way. The big schools in the TEN conferences will move out to get at a National Championship.
Let the PAC and BIG Ten babies have their football and go play on another field. I'll take the SEC, MWC, Big twelve, WAC, MAC, USA and Notre Dame any way. The big schools in the TEN conferences will move out to get at a National Championship.
Nah | 12:37 p.m. April 29, 2008
You want the senate to deal with this when they can't handle war, out of
sight gas prices, a mortgage disaster, etc.? They would make as big a mess of
this as they have running the country. To BYU Who, those same teams that would
run past our slow-footed players have teams in their conferences that we could
whup. So it's about few elite programs, not entire conferences.
A playoff would solve it all, and would not be that hard to create. Basketball is certainly a great example. Bring on March Madness over thre bowkl system anytime.
While they are at it, someone should fix the NBA so that you don't have losing teams in the playoffs. Seed the top 16 from the entire league, please.
A playoff would solve it all, and would not be that hard to create. Basketball is certainly a great example. Bring on March Madness over thre bowkl system anytime.
While they are at it, someone should fix the NBA so that you don't have losing teams in the playoffs. Seed the top 16 from the entire league, please.
Idahoan | 12:40 p.m. April 29, 2008
To BYU ..... Who?
"and have all the excuses in the world"
Are you saying that when a BCS team loses, it can use any excuse it wants? It has excuses for losses? On the flip side, does that mean a non-BCS team has no excuse for losing? Whether or not you mean that, your words are quite revealing and telling about the attitude of BCS schools.
"and have all the excuses in the world"
Are you saying that when a BCS team loses, it can use any excuse it wants? It has excuses for losses? On the flip side, does that mean a non-BCS team has no excuse for losing? Whether or not you mean that, your words are quite revealing and telling about the attitude of BCS schools.
Re: BYU ....Who? | 12:40 p.m. April 29, 2008
You spell like somebody from Texas. BYU has played Texas twice and the Cougars
are 2-0 against the Shorthorns. (1987 at Texas ---BYU 22 Texas 17 and 1988 at
Provo ---BYU 47 Texas 6). Nice argument though. BYU is also 2-1 against Texas
A&M. Does Texas have any other teams BYU can play so we can pad our record?
Scoobie | 12:47 p.m. April 29, 2008
Ref: SEC is the KEY
Man...I love your thinking...we should put that in Bobby Bowden's hat since he lives down that way and let him run with it...he hates the BCS as much if not more than us mid Conference groupies here in the Mountains.
Man...I love your thinking...we should put that in Bobby Bowden's hat since he lives down that way and let him run with it...he hates the BCS as much if not more than us mid Conference groupies here in the Mountains.
Hey Dick | 12:51 p.m. April 29, 2008
I dare you to send me a million dollars!!!
I dare you! It would make all us that make less than you feel better about our chances to make a million.
I dare you!
What is this, 3rd Grade?
I dare you! It would make all us that make less than you feel better about our chances to make a million.
I dare you!
What is this, 3rd Grade?
Anonymous | 12:52 p.m. April 29, 2008
It is a true sign of character when people resort to name calling to add to
their credibility.
Scoobie | 12:54 p.m. April 29, 2008
Re: BYU....Who?
Hey man... Don't leave out Jim McMahon stealing the Holiday Bowl away from SMU's Craig James and Eric Dickerson.
Hey man... Don't leave out Jim McMahon stealing the Holiday Bowl away from SMU's Craig James and Eric Dickerson.
Ernest T. Bass | 12:54 p.m. April 29, 2008
Pac ten will add byu and bsu pretty soon.
byu would be in the big 12 if it weren't for that texas governor who said no.
byu would be in the big 12 if it weren't for that texas governor who said no.
Nothing is Fair | 1:00 p.m. April 29, 2008
Is it fair to a 9-3 team in a BCS conference (with 3 conference losses) to be
excluded from a championsip game or playoff because they have to let a team from
a mid major (that maybe plays 1-2 good teams each year) participate?? There is
nothing fair about that to them. If you were to apply the same logic, then that
same mid major champion would probably be nothing more than a 7-5 8-4 team in a
BCS conference. There is no way to make this work for everyone. I think the
extra BCS bowl that allows them to participate each year is sufficient.
Scoobie | 1:09 p.m. April 29, 2008
Ref: Earnest T.
Sorry ernie, your up in the night on BYU joining the PAC 10...never happen... no how.....and secondly,as for the so calle BIG 12... besides Texas and A&M.... and an occasional showing of Missouri, there's not a whole lot of fertile ground to plow that BYU, and Utah could't find elswhere....so who cares about one Texan's opinion.
Sorry ernie, your up in the night on BYU joining the PAC 10...never happen... no how.....and secondly,as for the so calle BIG 12... besides Texas and A&M.... and an occasional showing of Missouri, there's not a whole lot of fertile ground to plow that BYU, and Utah could't find elswhere....so who cares about one Texan's opinion.
Anonymous | 1:10 p.m. April 29, 2008
Now maybe BYU and Utah (Big Boys of Utah) understand how it feels to be left
out, thus causing the two teams to lose out on money for their programs and
efforts to build and become more competetive. That is what they did to Utah
State back in the 70's and 80's when they continued to apply for
membership in the old WAC. BYU and Utah (both based on GREED) did not want to
share the market with them (tv, radio, advertising, ticket sales, etc).
Same principal applies here. The BIG Boys of college football don't want to share their wealth with the others
Same principal applies here. The BIG Boys of college football don't want to share their wealth with the others
Wow | 1:22 p.m. April 29, 2008
Anyone defending the BCS or thier "so called" major conference school
is just plain chicken. If you are sooo much better than us all, than you should
have nothing to worry about.... chickens. To all you "I grew up in texas
and moved to utah recently", and the competition here is inferior, get over
yourself. I grew up in Texas, played football, went to a BSC School before
transfering to BYU, and they are not any better than the schools here in the
west.... just more money and politics. If you include everyone, you will notice
the current powerhouses start to fade away, due to leverage lost in recruiting,
which is another thing for them to fear.... like I said chicken.
Scoobie | 1:25 p.m. April 29, 2008
Ref: Nothing is Fair.
In other words...your saying something to the effect of "one for me, two for you, none for me and two more for you and I should be happy"......sounds like fightin words to me.....Regardless of who you are.... I'm not letting you play with a stacked deck. The BCS has been been caught dealing off the bottom too many times..... it's time to throw the cheating bums out ( the two 10's) and deal a whole new game.
In other words...your saying something to the effect of "one for me, two for you, none for me and two more for you and I should be happy"......sounds like fightin words to me.....Regardless of who you are.... I'm not letting you play with a stacked deck. The BCS has been been caught dealing off the bottom too many times..... it's time to throw the cheating bums out ( the two 10's) and deal a whole new game.
Good Job Cougs | 1:30 p.m. April 29, 2008
I love it when the good old Cougar fans talk about the 80's. Lets get to
the present day. lets try and keep the talk after 2000. But hey we beat USC in
1923 so stick that in your ear.
Scoobie | 1:32 p.m. April 29, 2008
Ref: Anonymous
I share your pain, but at the time, conference rules forbid having three teams in any of the states covered in the WAC. Back in the times of Henry King and Roy Shivers USU played some awsome football. Shivers was the one who started the big bonus fad in the pro's when he signed with the Cardinals when they were still in St. Louis.....before Namath.
I share your pain, but at the time, conference rules forbid having three teams in any of the states covered in the WAC. Back in the times of Henry King and Roy Shivers USU played some awsome football. Shivers was the one who started the big bonus fad in the pro's when he signed with the Cardinals when they were still in St. Louis.....before Namath.
Be Serious | 1:57 p.m. April 29, 2008
Lions do eat men - when teams like Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida,
USC, Oregon, etc. play they are real games - the second tier is second rate and
it is obvious that 99 out of 100 times the big boys are the perrennial elite for
a reason.
RE: Anonymous 1:10 pm | 2:05 p.m. April 29, 2008
The difference is that BYU and the yewts can compete with the big boys. Now, I
didn't say that they'd win every game or dominate the conference, I
said that they would COMPETE. Something that USU has never done CONSISTENTLY
over the past 30 some odd years they were trying to get in the same conference
as the big boys of Utah athletics. THAT'S why the Ags were never invited
to be a part of the conference.
Texas teams | 2:22 p.m. April 29, 2008
own the record vs. BYU. I'll add to a previous poster and we'll see
how pathetic BYU is vs. Texas teams, who are clearly superior to BYU.
Winning records vs. TX teams:
W/L
BYU/Texas 2-0
BYU/Texas AM 2-1
TCU 5-2
UTEP 28-7-1
SMU 3-0
N. Texas 3-2
Baylor 1-1
Losing record to TX teams:
Tech 0-1 (1940)
West Texas State 0-1 (1961)
Man, TX guy is right, BYU can't ever play with the big boys, especially football's capital---Big Bad TX.
Winning records vs. TX teams:
W/L
BYU/Texas 2-0
BYU/Texas AM 2-1
TCU 5-2
UTEP 28-7-1
SMU 3-0
N. Texas 3-2
Baylor 1-1
Losing record to TX teams:
Tech 0-1 (1940)
West Texas State 0-1 (1961)
Man, TX guy is right, BYU can't ever play with the big boys, especially football's capital---Big Bad TX.
To be serious | 2:51 p.m. April 29, 2008
Actually Appalachian State ate Michigan. And they aren't even considered a
second tier team. They're not even in the same division.
By second rate you must be talking about the second tier of each conference like Purdue, Indiana, Michigan State, Northwestern, and Minnesota.
Some advice to the big ten: when you schedule division II because beating a non-bcs team has become too tough, don't let any of your second tier/second rate teams schedule Appalachian State. They will cut you down like any of the upper teams in the have-not conferences of division I.
By second rate you must be talking about the second tier of each conference like Purdue, Indiana, Michigan State, Northwestern, and Minnesota.
Some advice to the big ten: when you schedule division II because beating a non-bcs team has become too tough, don't let any of your second tier/second rate teams schedule Appalachian State. They will cut you down like any of the upper teams in the have-not conferences of division I.
Dom1Nate | 3:04 p.m. April 29, 2008
"[insert non-BCS team] could never compete with [insert BCS team]".
This statement may be true, but there is no way of knowing and is only an
opinion.
The system currently in place is fundamentally flawed for one reason: there are Division 1 football teams who could win every game (in other words, do everything right that they can possibly do) and still not be considered "National Champion".
This is the solution that we should all be pushing in order to unify our voice.
-Keep the BCS (the computer, the rankings, the voting, the bowls, the bias, etc.)
-16 team playoff.
-Every conference champion (all ten) gets an automatic bid.
-BCS rankings are used to seed each team.
-The six at-large bids go to the next highest BCS seeded teams. (most likely all BCS alliance schools)
-The BCS bowl games rotate (as they do now) between the quarter-final and semi-final games.
-Championship game is not affiliated with a bowl.
-Less prestigious bowl games compete for the right for the first round games (eight).
-Other bowls can showcase whomever they want, whenever they want.
This solution solves the fundamental flaw. Any Division 1 team--any player--has the chance to win it all.
The system currently in place is fundamentally flawed for one reason: there are Division 1 football teams who could win every game (in other words, do everything right that they can possibly do) and still not be considered "National Champion".
This is the solution that we should all be pushing in order to unify our voice.
-Keep the BCS (the computer, the rankings, the voting, the bowls, the bias, etc.)
-16 team playoff.
-Every conference champion (all ten) gets an automatic bid.
-BCS rankings are used to seed each team.
-The six at-large bids go to the next highest BCS seeded teams. (most likely all BCS alliance schools)
-The BCS bowl games rotate (as they do now) between the quarter-final and semi-final games.
-Championship game is not affiliated with a bowl.
-Less prestigious bowl games compete for the right for the first round games (eight).
-Other bowls can showcase whomever they want, whenever they want.
This solution solves the fundamental flaw. Any Division 1 team--any player--has the chance to win it all.
JD | 3:06 p.m. April 29, 2008
Until you actually get invited and play in a BCS game, I really don't think
you have anything to argue for. Perfection will not happen this year, one day
you might be able to join Utah, Boise St. and Hawaii, but your not there yet.
Keep trying.......stop comparing yourself, you haven't done it! Your a step
down looking up with hope.
Helmsdeep(81) | 3:25 p.m. April 29, 2008
Ref: Be Serious
As much as I like JOEPA he was lucky to get a second wind this past season. The SEC is really the only BCS conference with bragging rights. Michigan was supposed to have the best returning act in the Big Ten last year and they were lucky to have a mediocre winning season. Florida stole Ohio States shorts two years ago and they still didn't have them back when they tried to stop LSU this year. If they can't take the conference title again this year it's going to be tough to consider them to be a major powerhouse anymore. They only lost one starter on either side of the ball. If for some reason they should stumble in conference play that really only leaves Purdue, Wisconsin or Illinois as possible step up players. Indiana showed some promise this past season but you'd have to call them a long shot. Michigan's eligible returning offense pretty much disintigrated after the hiring of Rich Rodriguez, so even Utah has a good chance at a W in their win column. USC with Sarkesian calling the plays is my
As much as I like JOEPA he was lucky to get a second wind this past season. The SEC is really the only BCS conference with bragging rights. Michigan was supposed to have the best returning act in the Big Ten last year and they were lucky to have a mediocre winning season. Florida stole Ohio States shorts two years ago and they still didn't have them back when they tried to stop LSU this year. If they can't take the conference title again this year it's going to be tough to consider them to be a major powerhouse anymore. They only lost one starter on either side of the ball. If for some reason they should stumble in conference play that really only leaves Purdue, Wisconsin or Illinois as possible step up players. Indiana showed some promise this past season but you'd have to call them a long shot. Michigan's eligible returning offense pretty much disintigrated after the hiring of Rich Rodriguez, so even Utah has a good chance at a W in their win column. USC with Sarkesian calling the plays is my
Scoobie | 3:43 p.m. April 29, 2008
REF:JD
Talk nice.... JD....obviously your a UTEY doing your little Tootie. The BCS was created because of BYU's N.C.season in "83" and you got your selection to the BCS .....hmmmmmm....shall we say... again because of BYU. The snubbing of the "96" No.5 Cougars forced the dropping of the ranking criteria for non BCS teams to get an at large birth from at least a no.9 to a no.7, thus allowing your no. 8 Uteys in the door.
Talk nice.... JD....obviously your a UTEY doing your little Tootie. The BCS was created because of BYU's N.C.season in "83" and you got your selection to the BCS .....hmmmmmm....shall we say... again because of BYU. The snubbing of the "96" No.5 Cougars forced the dropping of the ranking criteria for non BCS teams to get an at large birth from at least a no.9 to a no.7, thus allowing your no. 8 Uteys in the door.
Helmsdeep(81) | 4:14 p.m. April 29, 2008
First DMN allowed 500 characters...then changed to 250 words.... now
they've cut back to 200...........anyways as I was saying previously, USC
with Sarkesian calling the offense is my pick for the PAC....with all due
respect for the return of Norm Chow to college football. UCLA's chances of
glory in the 2008 season have greatly improved no doubt on that fact alone.
Final Thought.....SEC still remains the conference to be replaced at the top.
............Cougar in Big 10 Country............
Final Thought.....SEC still remains the conference to be replaced at the top.
............Cougar in Big 10 Country............
GRETZKY | 4:28 p.m. April 29, 2008
i disagree that the MWC's and WAC's of the world need to
"prove" themselves first with consistency before including them in the
BCS...since when did South Florida or Cincinatti have to prove themselves?? or
Connecticut??
IF the WAC's and MWC's and CUSA's are allowed to participate then their recruiting naturally gets better and the parity among teams increases and competition increases. "If you build it, they will come (get better)" theory of baseball applies fully here.
IF the WAC's and MWC's and CUSA's are allowed to participate then their recruiting naturally gets better and the parity among teams increases and competition increases. "If you build it, they will come (get better)" theory of baseball applies fully here.
SoCal Coug | 4:39 p.m. April 29, 2008
Although I am in favor of a playoff, the "plus 1" system is doomed
from the beginning. Consider the 2007 season- after last regular season game,
1) OSU, 2)LSU, 3) VaTech, and 4)Oklahoma. After bowls (ranking before bowls),
1)LSU(2), 2)UGA(5), 3)USC(7), and 4)Mizz(6). What would have happened if Hawaii
beat UGA? Undeafeted Boise would have been left out in 2006 and Utah in 2004.
At least 8 teams will have to participate, which will require 3 rounds of games. If you increase it to 4 rounds, you can have 16 teams, which would be much more interesting (cinderalla teams) and earn much more money. Will the universities go for a 3 or 4 round playoff over the holidays with finals in the mix? I doubt it.
The only upside of the plus one method would be that it would open the door to a playoff system. Downside for mid-major fans is that their team will never be in the top 4 to participate- but then again they will never participate in the NC as it is.
At least 8 teams will have to participate, which will require 3 rounds of games. If you increase it to 4 rounds, you can have 16 teams, which would be much more interesting (cinderalla teams) and earn much more money. Will the universities go for a 3 or 4 round playoff over the holidays with finals in the mix? I doubt it.
The only upside of the plus one method would be that it would open the door to a playoff system. Downside for mid-major fans is that their team will never be in the top 4 to participate- but then again they will never participate in the NC as it is.
Anonymous | 4:39 p.m. April 29, 2008
to helmsdeep- UCLA will have a better shot this year, but they lost both
qb's last week in the same practice. It will be interesting to see how
they make it through spring football. As much as I hate UCLA, I will be
cheering for them when they come to Provo this fall.
Re: Scoobie | 4:47 p.m. April 29, 2008
You're obviously not a Ute fan, nor a History major.
The 2004 Utes finished their regular season ranked #6 in the BCS poll. At THAT time, #6 was the magic number for an automatic bid. Utah got in the hard way, and to date, is the only non-BCS team to finish at that mark. BYU didn't do Utah any favors that year except for maybe rolling over in their season finale, and allowing them to phone that one in. After their Bowl game, the Utes finished at Nos. 4 and 5 in the AP and Coaches poll.
The 2006 Boise St. team finished THEIR regular season ranked #8 in the BCS poll. They were the first team under the magic number of #12.
One final point...whoever suggested the Utes have the longest bowl winning streak in the nation has forgotten that Boston College is still one bowl game ahead of them.
The 2004 Utes finished their regular season ranked #6 in the BCS poll. At THAT time, #6 was the magic number for an automatic bid. Utah got in the hard way, and to date, is the only non-BCS team to finish at that mark. BYU didn't do Utah any favors that year except for maybe rolling over in their season finale, and allowing them to phone that one in. After their Bowl game, the Utes finished at Nos. 4 and 5 in the AP and Coaches poll.
The 2006 Boise St. team finished THEIR regular season ranked #8 in the BCS poll. They were the first team under the magic number of #12.
One final point...whoever suggested the Utes have the longest bowl winning streak in the nation has forgotten that Boston College is still one bowl game ahead of them.
Scoobie | 5:28 p.m. April 29, 2008
Ref: Scoobie
I have nothing against the Utes getting in, I rooted for them all the way... but let's compare apples to apples...the BCS polls are rigged....your AP ranking was 8......as far as Boston College goes who cares. Like it or not I don't really care, but BYU's "96" team set the stage. I hate the BCS and the Buckeyes whose former President is the brainchild .... not the UTES..........but when a Utey talks smack I'll jump in feet first.....Toot your horn all you want.
I have nothing against the Utes getting in, I rooted for them all the way... but let's compare apples to apples...the BCS polls are rigged....your AP ranking was 8......as far as Boston College goes who cares. Like it or not I don't really care, but BYU's "96" team set the stage. I hate the BCS and the Buckeyes whose former President is the brainchild .... not the UTES..........but when a Utey talks smack I'll jump in feet first.....Toot your horn all you want.
watch out, little man ! | 5:46 p.m. April 29, 2008
you said >>The SEC sticks with its comfy blankie of playing SEC teams. I
will agree that the SEC is tough, but often play schedules on the softer end of
the scale.<<
Playing an SEC schedule is the toughest schedule those teams can play, and it shows when they meet non-SEC teams.
The SEC won 7 Bowls this year, the SEC put 5 teams in the top 15 of the final poll (including #1 and #2).
A two loss SEC team is better than anything any other conference can produce- ask Ohio St and Hawaii
You boys out west can have your mid-major/BCS feuds all you want, no harm; but don't dare dis the SEC. you'll only make yourself look bad.
Playing an SEC schedule is the toughest schedule those teams can play, and it shows when they meet non-SEC teams.
The SEC won 7 Bowls this year, the SEC put 5 teams in the top 15 of the final poll (including #1 and #2).
A two loss SEC team is better than anything any other conference can produce- ask Ohio St and Hawaii
You boys out west can have your mid-major/BCS feuds all you want, no harm; but don't dare dis the SEC. you'll only make yourself look bad.
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