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Last of kids separated: All FLDS children in Texas now off to foster care
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FLDS Lawsuits | 6:49 p.m. April 26, 2008
I'm looking forward to these FLDS lawsuits. This will allow the State to
look into all areas of their demented lifestyle. I predict the house of cards
will finally fall down. And they brought it on themselves. Those of you who
fear the CPS will yank your kids away for "no reason" probably have
done something wrong. Why else would you feel paranoid? And to the poster who
says her children were afraid when they saw the FLDS girls taken away, I'm
wondering what you said to make them feel afraid. My children were glad that
the girls were being taken away. My 12 year old daughter was horrifed by the
FLDS, not the CPS
re: a non mormon | 6:54 p.m. April 26, 2008
The FLDS separated from the LDS religion because of a real, specific animosity.
The LDS church is the absolute _last_ place the FLDS would want their kids to
go.
Anonymous | 7:16 p.m. April 26, 2008
FDLS is not our own.........they broke from the LDS church over 100 years ago.
and practice there own law not God's law.......these women have been breed
generations back, and they don't really know it is wrong, but the men, why
are they still running around the ranch.....and I have yet to see proof but
would love to see if they have been collecting welfare for all of these kids,
money Texas is paying out.....and The FDLS have stated they hate the LDS church
and do not want there kids anywhere near it.
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Bruce | 7:59 p.m. April 26, 2008
Oh no. "broke God's law"...give me a break. I suppose that the
LDS is right and the FLDS is wrong? As an ex-mormon you cannot believe how that
sounds. I'm also an ex-Texan and I've seen corruption in that
state's CPS that would sound like fiction if I were to relate it.
An obejective look at the two church's history reveals that the LDS and their convenient "manifesto" was the breaking of "God's law" if there was such a thing.
An obejective look at the two church's history reveals that the LDS and their convenient "manifesto" was the breaking of "God's law" if there was such a thing.
Red Texan | 8:13 p.m. April 26, 2008
Texas is going to go broke paying the lawyers $200/hr??? Hey, even the lawyers
here have big hearts--they're respresenting the children for FREE--and
there were more volunteers than needed.
Texans will gladly empty their pockets to rescue these children if that's what it comes to. How sad that Utah & AZ wouldn't.
Don't mess with Texas is our anti-littering slogan and here we are cleaning up the trash for UT & AZ. . .
Texans will gladly empty their pockets to rescue these children if that's what it comes to. How sad that Utah & AZ wouldn't.
Don't mess with Texas is our anti-littering slogan and here we are cleaning up the trash for UT & AZ. . .
Jennifer | 8:21 p.m. April 26, 2008
TO CPS: You may want to consider going to your local mormon churches and asking if maybe the families of the churches would consider opening their homes to these children. FDLS is of the mormon faith and in doing so you may no longer be accused of having a bias against their beliefs.
I agree that removing the children in one raid was correct and needed. If any children had been left behind they would have been transfered quietly in the dark of night to another location ASAP.
Texas Non-Mo | 8:53 p.m. April 26, 2008
Jennifer | 8:21 p.m:
Go to the local Mormon churches and ask the LDS to open their homes�.FLDS is of mormon faith?????
Have you been paying attention? Your illustrious leaders want nothing to do with the FLDS. According to the commanders, the FLDS are most certainly not Mormons. No one knew it, but apparently the LDS are only ones who are allowed to lay claim to the title of �Mormon.� SLC has been very busy with the PR campaigns distancing the LDS from the FLDS fiasco. Think they want to get into it with the FLDS or the State because Mormon foster parents took these kids to an LDS church? Think again!
Good luck getting any cooperation from the LDS powers-that-be to even consider your idea.
Go to the local Mormon churches and ask the LDS to open their homes�.FLDS is of mormon faith?????
Have you been paying attention? Your illustrious leaders want nothing to do with the FLDS. According to the commanders, the FLDS are most certainly not Mormons. No one knew it, but apparently the LDS are only ones who are allowed to lay claim to the title of �Mormon.� SLC has been very busy with the PR campaigns distancing the LDS from the FLDS fiasco. Think they want to get into it with the FLDS or the State because Mormon foster parents took these kids to an LDS church? Think again!
Good luck getting any cooperation from the LDS powers-that-be to even consider your idea.
A. Nony Mouse | 9:38 p.m. April 26, 2008
Actually, "they broke from the LDS church," they're following
D&C 132, which says the only way for a man to get into heaving is to have 3
wives simultaneously. Now, considering that doctrine has not been rescinded,
what part of "they're more closely following mormon doctrine"
don't you understand? That's the problem - mainstream mormonism says
polygamy is no longer OK, yet it is still part of mormon doctrine. Now, how do
you explain that, please?
asking LDS to take these kids | 10:35 p.m. April 26, 2008
Because the FLDS 'broke away', is like asking Baptist kids to be taken
in by Catholics, because the Baptist faith is a break away of Catholicism.
Jackson | 10:44 p.m. April 26, 2008
Maybe these people would take sponsors (to help pay legal fees)and then share in
the monitary rewards that will be sure to be paid out for the violation of civil
rights. They only want their children back, they probably do not care about the
huge monitary settlements that are sure to be forth coming. They cannot all be
guilty, pick one of the single married people with few children and separate
residence. Attorneys should be taking these cases for attorney fees, investors
should step up to see that the cases rush to trial.
American | 11:21 p.m. April 26, 2008
Call it what ever you like, makes no different if they are a religion a cult a
black or white. they can be perverts or not, IF WE FAIL TO FOLLOW THE
CONSTITUTION. we all loose. I say catch the bad guys, but do it without
destroying America. and that is what Texas failed to do, by texas' blatant
disregard for following the law in this they have just made a easy way for
criminals to get away. I am forced to side with the FLDS cuz if I dont I am
against the Constitution. Damn you texas.
RE: Jackson 10:44 | 11:22 p.m. April 26, 2008
Jackson:
Are you volunteering to pony up for the FLDS legal fees? Great idea! You could use your IRS stimulus refund!
There�s a sucker born every minute. Do you think the FLDS are destitute? They practice a form of religious socialism. Their money is held in an aggregate trust. I�d be willing to bet that they have more money than you do�.
BTW, what makes you think you are going to be able to find any monogamous couples with a few children at YFZ to bestow your monetary gift? You�ve been listening to Rod Parker again, haven�t you? The FLDS antics have kept Rod in business in the past, they can certainly afford to keep right on paying him.
Are you volunteering to pony up for the FLDS legal fees? Great idea! You could use your IRS stimulus refund!
There�s a sucker born every minute. Do you think the FLDS are destitute? They practice a form of religious socialism. Their money is held in an aggregate trust. I�d be willing to bet that they have more money than you do�.
BTW, what makes you think you are going to be able to find any monogamous couples with a few children at YFZ to bestow your monetary gift? You�ve been listening to Rod Parker again, haven�t you? The FLDS antics have kept Rod in business in the past, they can certainly afford to keep right on paying him.
WA Lady | 11:38 p.m. April 26, 2008
From what I have heard these lawyers are working for free. No cost to the
state. These lawyers wanted to be a part of a historic case. Good for them.
Careful reader | 12:33 a.m. April 27, 2008
This is a comment to A. Nony Mouse:
Section 132 of the D&C does explain the doctrine of polygamy and why some families in history have followed it. For example, it explains that Abraham was justified, but David was not. But absolutely nowhere in that section does it say that anyone has to have 3 wives to get in to heaven. That is just flat-out incorrect. You really shouldn't comment on something you haven't read.
Section 132 of the D&C does explain the doctrine of polygamy and why some families in history have followed it. For example, it explains that Abraham was justified, but David was not. But absolutely nowhere in that section does it say that anyone has to have 3 wives to get in to heaven. That is just flat-out incorrect. You really shouldn't comment on something you haven't read.
Sad Situation | 12:38 a.m. April 27, 2008
According to Carolyn Jessop, former FLDS and author, MANY ( not all) of the
women are victims also. They have no outside communication .. no newspapers, no
television, no public schooling, no history or civics books. If a woman is
allowed to leave for medical reasons, etc., she must have at least one more
woman with her, for the purpose of monitoring each other. They are taught to
fear the evil, outside world. I hope those mothers who are loving and deserving
of their children will be able to receive counciling and have their children
returned to them. Only 7 of the women who had been with their children
returned to the YFZ Ranch. That sounds like they are choosing their children
over YFZ.
Abuse of power | 1:52 a.m. April 27, 2008
Just to mention another example of the same behaviour as we saw displayed by the
Texas authorities:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3822569.ece
Have we all lost our collective minds? How do we prevent this happening next time to another group or other people for whatever pretext can be found. I do not believe anything the Texas CPS or sheriffs say anymore, simply because they've lied the whole time. The whole thing seems to have been planned for a while, the phony call about an abused 16 year old that never was came in too handy. This raid is not about concern for children, women or any such excuse. Is seems to be about power, control and influence. The same thing happened long time ago when Herod put an end (he thought) to the children of Ephratah, Hitler to the children of the Jews and Stalin to the children of any of his opponents. Both the Nazis and the Soviets practiced separation of children, especially "brainwashed" Jews and Christians respectively. Think before you aplaud!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3822569.ece
Have we all lost our collective minds? How do we prevent this happening next time to another group or other people for whatever pretext can be found. I do not believe anything the Texas CPS or sheriffs say anymore, simply because they've lied the whole time. The whole thing seems to have been planned for a while, the phony call about an abused 16 year old that never was came in too handy. This raid is not about concern for children, women or any such excuse. Is seems to be about power, control and influence. The same thing happened long time ago when Herod put an end (he thought) to the children of Ephratah, Hitler to the children of the Jews and Stalin to the children of any of his opponents. Both the Nazis and the Soviets practiced separation of children, especially "brainwashed" Jews and Christians respectively. Think before you aplaud!
To: Careful Reader | 8:29 a.m. April 27, 2008
Thank You for responding to A. Nony Mouse.
I had (late last night) sent in the comments asking
A. Nony Mouse to Show the verse in D&C 132? My comments were not posted. But it's probably better
not to argue and debate about things that don't really exist. The comment about the "3 wives" has been in the media recently. Perhaps that's an FLDS teaching, but it's not found in the D&C 132 pages.
There's sure a lot of mis-information being circulated about this situation.
Again "Careful Reader" Thanks for the clarification.
I had (late last night) sent in the comments asking
A. Nony Mouse to Show the verse in D&C 132? My comments were not posted. But it's probably better
not to argue and debate about things that don't really exist. The comment about the "3 wives" has been in the media recently. Perhaps that's an FLDS teaching, but it's not found in the D&C 132 pages.
There's sure a lot of mis-information being circulated about this situation.
Again "Careful Reader" Thanks for the clarification.
Marie Devine | 11:31 a.m. April 27, 2008
The goal is to keep the men from abusing the children... remove the men. The
law can give them the choice, that the men leave until this is sorted out or
that the children leave. The men would likely leave.
At the end of the Doctrines and Covenants of the LDS mother church is God's guidance to stop the plural marriage practice. It is "Official Declaration 1" called the Manifesto, including words from President Wilford Woodruff. That will stop the men from plural marriages.
If underage marriages are forced that is one thing, but if they are agreed to for building God's kingdom, that is their religion. As the girls on the street can get pregnant for wrong reasons, girls can get pregnant by husbands to start a family. My grandmother married at 14 and had 12 children, good godly children, not Mormon religion.
Nursing of children im many nations is two years.
Any girl younger than 10 certainly can be with the mother since marriages were not agreed to for that age, there is no danger. This will cut the court cases. Paternity is only important in forced marriages. Keep the case small.
At the end of the Doctrines and Covenants of the LDS mother church is God's guidance to stop the plural marriage practice. It is "Official Declaration 1" called the Manifesto, including words from President Wilford Woodruff. That will stop the men from plural marriages.
If underage marriages are forced that is one thing, but if they are agreed to for building God's kingdom, that is their religion. As the girls on the street can get pregnant for wrong reasons, girls can get pregnant by husbands to start a family. My grandmother married at 14 and had 12 children, good godly children, not Mormon religion.
Nursing of children im many nations is two years.
Any girl younger than 10 certainly can be with the mother since marriages were not agreed to for that age, there is no danger. This will cut the court cases. Paternity is only important in forced marriages. Keep the case small.
Professor H | 11:18 p.m. April 27, 2008
An investigation of abuse could have been conducted in a much more humane way
than separating innocent children from their loving mothers. I feel so sad for
these children and their mothers. The most important thing to parents is the
well being of their children. I wonder how one judge can exercise so much power
over so many people and bring so much sorrow.
KayGreen | 2:37 p.m. May 3, 2008
There will be much more found out about how bad it was at this FLDS compound.
This is a cult hiding behind religion which is wrong. You cannot go against the
laws of the land just because of religion. We are citizens who as REAL
Christians or religious people should glad to abide by the laws of the land.
They are to protect us. If people don't want to abide by the laws they can
find another country to go live in. You cannot allow religions or even
non-religious people to abuse children in any shape, form or fashion. Religion
teaches not to lie, cheat or steal. If people are doing these things they are
not really religious or Christians....they are only hiding behind a religious
symbol to try and cover their perverted ways. I'm proud of Texas ....I hope
they uncover all the abuse and get these children help. The dads and moms (yes,
moms too) need to all be held accountable for what these children have endured.
If moms won't stand up for their children, they must be investigated for
their part in this. I hope other states will step up for those hiding behind
religion that abuse.
smiling anyway | 6:52 p.m. May 22, 2008
A wise old owl sat up in an oak.
The more he learned, the less he spoke.
The less he spoke, the more he learned.
Why don't we be like that wise old bird?
The more he learned, the less he spoke.
The less he spoke, the more he learned.
Why don't we be like that wise old bird?
EX FLDS Margaret Cooke | 12:43 a.m. May 23, 2008
TEXAS.....ABUSE? give proof or give BACK the CHILDREN. I am against underage
marriages,sex abuse and any kind of abuse. Marriage should never be arranged for
anyone except by the parties getting married. Even though they teach fear of
damnation it is not against the law. Disowning family for leaving it is not
agianst the law. I do not agree with teaching children to be self-rightouse and
judge others, but that is not agianst the law. I feel the FLDS would do better
to teach thier children love for everyone and to trust in the goodness and
conscience God gave each of us but instead have chosen oppression and fear to
govern; under a cloak of peace. My issue with TEXAS is they are doing to the
FLDS the same thing some of the FLDS did to me. Rumors are never grounds for
keeping children from parents. This age old problem reaches the world over.
Losing my children because of a lie hurt worse than anything ever has, getting
them back after I was shown to be innocent the best feeling in the world. God
was on my side. I was disowned by FLDS family but give us facts...or give up.
head shaker | 8:28 a.m. May 27, 2008
It is really scary that CPS can come in and do this. If they are so worried
about sex abuse then they need to start with their own back door where the
statics are (per a family lawyer friend) at an all time high of 85%. Did you
know that they can put your child on physic drugs and anti-depressants without
your consent but can't cut their hair if your don't want them to? How
stupid is that? CPS needs to be held accountable for what they are doing to
peoples lives just look on the internet and you can see the hurt good people are
enduring.
CPS makes up lies and falsifies documents. If they don't have charges they will make some up one and then set up a plan,called a permancy plan, that you cannot possibly follow because they are trying to get you to admit that you are "mentally ill" to their paid DR's and if you don't you loose your kids. So before you condemn these kids to "foster homes becsues they will be better off", look up some stats and wonder if it could be you a neighbor might get mad at.
CPS makes up lies and falsifies documents. If they don't have charges they will make some up one and then set up a plan,called a permancy plan, that you cannot possibly follow because they are trying to get you to admit that you are "mentally ill" to their paid DR's and if you don't you loose your kids. So before you condemn these kids to "foster homes becsues they will be better off", look up some stats and wonder if it could be you a neighbor might get mad at.
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