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Tally of FLDS children jumps from 416 to 437
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Richard | 10:42 a.m. April 22, 2008
This is a blatant violation of the constitutional rights of the FLDS community
on so many levels its mind boggling. Whatever ever happened to the bill of
rights ? What happened to innocent until proven guilty ? This will not stand;
and I just know there are many good lawyers out there who are licking their
chops to get there hands on this appalling abuse of power by the State of Texas
of the 4th reich.
Wow! | 10:46 a.m. April 22, 2008
The children keep getting victomized, first by their older husbands and now by
the state. If a crime is being commited, then arrest the perps. But instead
Texas puts the children through a nightmare, for "their protection".
But who will protect them from an over aggresive government? Guess the
constitution no longer matters to the U.S. How the mighty have fallen.
Tax Returns! | 10:51 a.m. April 22, 2008
My understanding is these women never worked a day in their life, how would they
have tax returns? The FLDS say they didn't know the legal age of consent in
Texas, what makes you think they were such law abiding citizens that they had
drivers licenses, filed taxes and had birth cirtificates? My understanding is
the women don't know how to drive, there is a makeshift "doctor's
office" on the compound so they didn't go to state hospitals and
don't work so no tax returns. If there were birth cirtificates for each of
the children then why didn't the state just go and look up the birth
cirtificates to learn who was who? Bottom line, the FLDS are lying to the state.
What the FLDS say doesn't match the FLDS's records. One day a girl
says "My name is Mary and I am 19 years old" and the next day the same
girl says "My name is Rebecca and I am 16 years old." Hence the
necessary DNA testing. The FLDS are making this difficult and it's because
they are hiding something. Duh!!!
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Anonymous | 10:53 a.m. April 22, 2008
Where are all those wonderful patriarchs?
Cowards all of them.
Cowards all of them.
E Plurus Unum | 10:55 a.m. April 22, 2008
If the comment by 'FOOLS MOCK' is any indication of the thinking by
Texas CPS officials we have the answer as to how this all happened. In
'Doing Something' the formally great state of Texas has managed to
violate most of the FLDS people's rights as citizens.
Anonymous | 11:03 a.m. April 22, 2008
Genocide
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Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other uses, see Genocide (disambiguation).
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1]
Violation of Law | 11:07 a.m. April 22, 2008
So, the Texas government is in violation of the constitution, what about the
FLDS being in violation of the law? Let's go over what the FLDS is more
than likely guilty of: 1) Rape 2) Physical Abuse 3) Mental Abuse 4) Tax Evasion
5) Fraud 6) Obtaining Property Under False Pretense (they told Texas the
property was for an animal preserve) 7) Incest
That's a pretty long list. And, let's not forget the graveyard they came across with headstones of children who died in infancy. What were the causes of death? Did the babies die in childbirth or were they victims of water torture? If your mom and dad die you just can't bury them in your back yard. There are laws against that. Is the FLDS still claiming these dead children for welfare?
That's a pretty long list. And, let's not forget the graveyard they came across with headstones of children who died in infancy. What were the causes of death? Did the babies die in childbirth or were they victims of water torture? If your mom and dad die you just can't bury them in your back yard. There are laws against that. Is the FLDS still claiming these dead children for welfare?
One. Two. Three... | 11:08 a.m. April 22, 2008
Line them up and start counting 1, 2, 3... and then stop when you get to the end
of the line. How hard is that?
I'm more worried about being protected from the government, than I am worried about the government protecting me from terrorists!
I'm more worried about being protected from the government, than I am worried about the government protecting me from terrorists!
LIlathe | 11:30 a.m. April 22, 2008
Tax returns asked if these women did not work why did they file tax returns. I
do not work yet I file a tax return along with my husband. Some of the women
have college degrees and have worked. Not all of the people at the ranch
actually lived there, there was some kind of conference going on.
Some of the attorneys of parents of adult women that the state "felt" were under 18, tried to show the judge birth certificates, drivers license and tax recrods which the judge refused because CPS felt they could have been forged.
That is a matter of public court record.
There was also a report that 20-30 women that the state had claimed were minors had claimed they were adults were proved to be adults.
Some of the attorneys of parents of adult women that the state "felt" were under 18, tried to show the judge birth certificates, drivers license and tax recrods which the judge refused because CPS felt they could have been forged.
That is a matter of public court record.
There was also a report that 20-30 women that the state had claimed were minors had claimed they were adults were proved to be adults.
Age Change, Tally Changes | 11:42 a.m. April 22, 2008
To all those wondering why it was SO hard for Texas to get an accurate head
count, the FLDS lied about their ages. The only number that's changed is
the number of children because some the children lied about how old they were.
That Mommy over there with two kids isn't 19 like she told the authorities
yesterday, she's actually 16, which would make her a...CHILD!
ashley a. | 11:44 a.m. April 22, 2008
please consider: WACO. Another Texas disaster. Janet Reno was feared that the
remaining children in the compound were being abused...the government attacked
... the children all died a horrible death. Now Texas fears child abuse and
forcibly removes over 4oo hundred children from their homes...to go where? To
some other compound...some juvenile detention center, bouncing foster homes?
please consider: If over 400 children were taken from mainstream populations... Would not some fraction have been abused? Should the government then start rounding up everyones kids to check?
This disaster is going to harm these children forever if they are not allowed to go home. Please, the government AND the FLDS need to obey the law, for EVERYONE'S protection.
please consider: If over 400 children were taken from mainstream populations... Would not some fraction have been abused? Should the government then start rounding up everyones kids to check?
This disaster is going to harm these children forever if they are not allowed to go home. Please, the government AND the FLDS need to obey the law, for EVERYONE'S protection.
To Llathe | 12:05 p.m. April 22, 2008
I am not sure where you are getting your information but I have seen nothing
where many women tried to present birth certificates, tax returns and drivers
license. I heard one say she try to present a drivers license but that is only
her word. They have not told the truth yet why would anyone believe that.
To Llathe | 12:10 p.m. April 22, 2008
You sound like someone who has inside knowledge of the YFZ Ranch. Maybe you can
tell us approximately how many married girls younger than 18 were living there.
Judy | 12:15 p.m. April 22, 2008
Does the Constitution give the people in the FLDS community the
"right" to sexually and physically abuse their children? NO WAY!
Crayons for Kids | 12:22 p.m. April 22, 2008
Crayola crayons were invented in 1903.
It has been reported that kind people brought
crayons to the FLDS children for something to do.
The children did not know what to do with the
crayons.
Now isn't a violation of children's rights NOT
to know how to use a crayon?
It has been reported that kind people brought
crayons to the FLDS children for something to do.
The children did not know what to do with the
crayons.
Now isn't a violation of children's rights NOT
to know how to use a crayon?
Daniel | 12:39 p.m. April 22, 2008
I was thinking to myself earlier, as I often do, on how to make this situation
easier and I came up with assigning a number to each. They lie though, so how
can you give them a number? Tatoo! I thought. The very next thing that crossed
my mind was holocaust.
While I definitely don't agree with what has allegedly gone on in the FLDS compound I certainly think we could be going about this in another way. How about once they figure out the parentage of these children allowing their biological mothers to remain with them under 100% supervision? I don't see how you could harm a child by allowing their mother to be around them under supervision, but I already see how these children would need years of counseling either way. Is there a long term social or mental health difference with how we treat them over the next two or three months as you compared to what their lives were or could be in the FLDS compound? Maybe it's better for them to go through this...
While I definitely don't agree with what has allegedly gone on in the FLDS compound I certainly think we could be going about this in another way. How about once they figure out the parentage of these children allowing their biological mothers to remain with them under 100% supervision? I don't see how you could harm a child by allowing their mother to be around them under supervision, but I already see how these children would need years of counseling either way. Is there a long term social or mental health difference with how we treat them over the next two or three months as you compared to what their lives were or could be in the FLDS compound? Maybe it's better for them to go through this...
zoar | 12:49 p.m. April 22, 2008
These FLDS people went to bed in a county we call America. The next morning the
woke up and found they were living in AMERIKA.
Now they cannot even pray without it being monitored. Wake up people the constitution is finally hanging by a thread.
Now they cannot even pray without it being monitored. Wake up people the constitution is finally hanging by a thread.
if | 1:02 p.m. April 22, 2008
If these mothers were black, all of you would be ignoring the issue.
It comes back to Britney Spears | 1:12 p.m. April 22, 2008
The court took away, for a time, ALL Britney's rights as a parent when she
did not behave as one. The court is allowing some FLDS mothers the privilege to
maintain contact, though with supervision and without cell phones and they
complain? This is the same group of women that allowed underage girls to marry
without reporting it? This is the same group of women that also shunned 13 year
old boys when they were seen as competition? This is the same group of women
that tattled when other women wanted to escape? My only question is why are
these FLDS women receiving unprecedented privileges that I would not receive if
I were in the judicial system for committing these same heinous crimes.
Abe | 1:44 p.m. April 22, 2008
If CPS is having trouble keeping an accurate count, maybe they should bring in
some help from DMV.
sunshine | 2:21 p.m. April 22, 2008
Why don't they round up the men and hold them instead of the children and
mothers?
Abe | 2:44 p.m. April 22, 2008
And where is Merrill Jessop? Isn't he in charge of this operation? How
come he's not on Oprah? That's the only way to get your story told
today. How come he's not on the cover of Time magazine with a 5000 word
expose of his entire life including a survellience camera photo of him during
his last visit to 7-11? Why isn't HE on Larry King? What's taking
BaBa WaWa so long to get him?
Men First | 3:11 p.m. April 22, 2008
How old are some of you on here? There are some very dumb comments being posted.... Micro chips? Oh really!
I think what Texas is doing is ALL wrong. They went about this whole polygamy sexual abuse matter in wrong way. However, they should have gone after the Men first. The men are the big stinkers in this case. They are the ones who dictate how things are run in their little colony. They as well are not a very bright bunch of men by any means.
Anonymous | 3:14 p.m. April 22, 2008
The Davidians were rumored to abuse kids, they were murdered. Randy Weaver lived
in a cabin in the woods, his family was murdered, based on an unproven
allegation how many will die this time...unintended consequences are coming!
Ana | 4:01 p.m. April 22, 2008
what is wrong with this entire picture? Who is allegedly committing crimes and
who is being dragged out of their home and held against their will? Why not
round up all the MEN and throw them in some detention facility while the facts
are sorted out? also, all the comments on the style of dress and hair are
relevant to nothing. I think the CPS is punishing the victims.
Jay | 5:02 p.m. April 22, 2008
what ever happened to live and let live? did they ever bother to ask these
people if they are happy or not? they just assume that they are all brainwashed,
that they dont know about the outside world. who has stopped to think that maybe
they actually choose the life they lead? hmmm, obviously not the state of texas.
and if they say that they choose it and that they are happy there, then no one
believes them, cuz they are brainwashed right? look at most of the citizens of
the US today, and look at them. and tell me, who is in better moral conidition?
there are less divorces, the kids have a good work ethic, and they are educated,
as people would find if they ever bothered to actually find out, instead of
looking from their prejudiced views. if plural marriage is all that bad, why
arent the arabs with harems being punished? no one complains about them, why is
this so bad? there is more force involved in a harem than in this, so what is
the governments big itch about it?
kathy | 7:12 p.m. April 22, 2008
Nothing is more frightening or dangerous than a Texas social worker who thinks
she's right.
Jared | 9:08 p.m. April 22, 2008
The Family institution is under attack, and the scary thing is this atrocity
sets a precedence as to what rights parents have. The message they are sending
with this is the 'State' is in control. If there are abuses they
should be investigated thoroughly and separately. Group punishment is
unconstitutional and lazy law enforcement.
Brenda | 8:24 a.m. April 23, 2008
So what happens if someone at the FLDS community gives birth in the next few
weeks or months? Do they come and get that baby too?
Texas Star | 8:58 a.m. April 24, 2008
yeah, take a star off my flag for the state of texas. This will happen to
everyone.
The state is waiting.
The state is waiting.
Janice | 1:49 p.m. May 1, 2008
I find the abuse and rape of underage girls appalling. FLDS leaders and members
hide behind their religious beliefs to perpetrate the henious violations. The
Bible says Render unto God what is God's and Render unto Ceasar what is
Ceasars. This basically means that while following our religious beliefs we must
still obey the laws of the land. Statuatory rape is against the law!!!
sherry | 9:31 p.m. June 3, 2008
After all of the people who have escaped this cult,and told of it's abuses,
one would think it would be a good idea to NOT send these children back to such
horrible situations. These children have a right to Not be abused.
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